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Post Post #3029  (isolation #200)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:18 pm

Andres is town. Come get Bob who is now just straight lying about my own past games.

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Post Post #3030  (isolation #201)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:19 pm

Also Im in my debate team meetings so only giving this like 5% attention currently.

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Post Post #3035  (isolation #202)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:23 pm

Completely logical trajectories to me. Consistent solving approach. Just not seeing purposeful avoidment of any topics or people. I just grok where his posts are coming from almost any time he posts, and I cant make up a scum narrative for it. I kinda like the miller claim, especially after an ascetic, but thats pretty minor at this point -- I liked it more that he didnt push the ascetic after the claim which reduces scum motivation for it.

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Post Post #3045  (isolation #203)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:35 pm

I agree not scum together. I dont know reason - havent reflected at all on what happened since started skimming
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Post Post #3046  (isolation #204)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:36 pm

I dont like associative hunting but bob-kerset-(deepwolf)?

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Post Post #3047  (isolation #205)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:37 pm

tbh Mena, I can see bob with you but Im assuming youre town for purposes of this dialog.

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Post Post #3055  (isolation #206)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:53 pm

19 hours..... Why is there no urgency to consolidate -- like wtf is a vote one someone nobody has been discussing andres? Its time to get a lim not just posture. What lim that is remotely possible do you want to go through?

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Post Post #3057  (isolation #207)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:57 pm

Why is bob a bad push?

Is no-lim better than a bad lim? (no). Plus isnt going to be a lim, so do something productive.

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Post Post #3105  (isolation #208)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:00 pm

Oh FFS!!! Why cant I get someone to tell me why it is impossible to get a bob wagon going. I know Im a shitty ass drivre, but this is getting rediculous. You have an existing wagon that you TR the biggest pusher and could DEFINITELY get across the deadline in 18 hours, and instead we are just fucking about on a new wagon because?

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Post Post #3116  (isolation #209)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:36 pm

Osuka, look, Mena your scumread won’t touch bob with a 10 foot pole. Vote bob!

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Post Post #3118  (isolation #210)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:44 pm

It’s almost like I didn’t say the exact same thing both before and after that post.

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Post Post #3120  (isolation #211)  » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:49 pm

Convincing argument.
VOTE: iv
l-2 mebbe?

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Post Post #3393  (isolation #212)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:43 am

In post 3389, bob3141 wrote:The only reason that any one could give is damage limitation to avoid a flash lynch hitting a town pr. And at the point you swapped your read there was still a few days to deadline

False, again. The quoted vote was appr 16 hours to deadline. Are you now just trying to get Mena to defend you with the why tell such easily verifiable lies?

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Post Post #3394  (isolation #213)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:47 am

In post 2981, bob3141 wrote:Last scum game his team had a rolestopper. So doubt he wouldnt know the difference

This is where you straight up lie about the past games. I have never, ever played with rolestopper. So why should I know what it does?

I have absolutely played with roleblocker, and know what it does. Stopper and blocker have similar meanings outside mafia, yea? So why shouldn’t they be two words that mean the same thing?

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Post Post #3402  (isolation #214)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:22 am

In post 3397, bob3141 wrote:
In post 3393, teacher wrote:
In post 3389, bob3141 wrote:The only reason that any one could give is damage limitation to avoid a flash lynch hitting a town pr. And at the point you swapped your read there was still a few days to deadline

False, again. The quoted vote was appr 16 hours to deadline. Are you now just trying to get Mena to defend you with the why tell such easily verifiable lies?


Now stop being childish. You know when some is scum, its when all they can come back with is "oh no your lying"


few definitions.

1.
a small number of.
"may I ask a few questions?"
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2.
used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.
"he had few friends"


It doesnt matter if day one ends mid day. Its still 1-2 days


He choose to vote IV, He choose not to push for any alternative lynch. He didnt say oh at worst IV is VT. He said oh now i think he is scum. He didnt say im voting to avoid no lynch. Which we were still a fair bit from

Really man, just admit error.

English usage:
"a few" -- more than two, less than several.
"few" (without a) -- emphasizing smallness.

You said "a few". It was, in fact, less than one. And that is not a "fair bit" away, especially when people are randomly starting wagons on slots that havent been the focus all day. I was certainly deadline paranoid, and I voted before him.

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Post Post #3403  (isolation #215)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:24 am

In post 3398, bob3141 wrote:And who would think scum would still be self voting 1-2 days away from deadline. When they could simply vote osuka and claim that although he though osuka had good chance of flipping town. He knows for sure he is town.

Only a yogurt


And it wasnt at the time that the lynch was 100% decided. So again still pleanty of time on the clock

Again, 16 hours =/2 days. Im going to assume your kind of new to MS, and come from a universe with 48hr days. Here, people actually go whole days without logging on.

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Post Post #3405  (isolation #216)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:38 am

From Thursday to Friday is one day, at least on my calendar.

Thats also the second time youve called me childish. Fuck off with the name calling. . You said something that was factually untrue. That = lying.

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Post Post #3407  (isolation #217)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:46 am

No, I knew the deadline time by heart because I was paranoid we wouldnt hit it. I clicked to follow YOUR QUOTE and looked at the timestamp.

But let me get this straight, youre now trying to shade me for:
  • NOT taking the time to look up rolestopper, when I thought I knew the meaning.
  • TAKING the time to look up the facts on your post.
yea man, Im the one trying to spin.

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Post Post #3409  (isolation #218)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:49 am

Its a lie. Last time he lied (about me having experience with rolestopper), you defended him and avoided voting on the slot your biggest townread was driving by saying why would he tell such easily verifiable lies. I wanted to inject your name into the conversation to see if he would respond to that or ignore it.

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Post Post #3427  (isolation #219)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:04 am

In post 3413, bob3141 wrote:The thing is this is all on the back of me pointing out that dmath kept flip flopping. Teacher you seem to be trying real hard to defend him

Had you just said, "oops, yea, I was wrong, it was less than a day" this conversation would have ended a lot faster. I am not defending NDMath -- I havent even said his name. I just said one of your points was factually wrong (i.e., a lie). Apparently calling factually wrong things lies is childish. :shrug: Im going to keep doing it :shrug:

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Post Post #3430  (isolation #220)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:06 am

In post 3426, Menalque wrote:
In post 3422, shellyc wrote:
In post 3419, Menalque wrote:
In post 3411, shellyc wrote:like tbh I think the hostility of bob towards teacher just incriminates them even more


Why tho

And why does bob read as faked hostility but teacher reads as genuine

I think they both read quite genuine tonally


bob was directly hostile towards teacher at daystart, and i feel like they're trying to set teacher up for a mislim since I TR Teacher


Yeah but like why was the hostility faked as opposed to genuine fypov? I think it’s quite plausible that bob believes this

And again, bob is not incompetent as scum and I’m not sure why scum!him decides to get into a back and forth with a generally townread teacher


Im not generally TR'ed, I dont think. I was like the 4th most popular compromise slot in Plusjoyed lists yesterday 1 day before deadline. And, note that by shading NDMath's vote as being "a few days" before deadline, he is also implicitly shading my even earlier vote.

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Post Post #3435  (isolation #221)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:10 am

In post 3431, Menalque wrote:
In post 3423, bob3141 wrote:Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.

He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.


Idk if I agree with this

For one thing, I think IV’s end of day was actually much more ambiguous than his early day which I think was townier and while I’m not familiar with his game playing for towncred (self-voting out of ‘frustration’) is entirely a move scum make if they think they’re safe which /at the time he did it/ i think he could have thought he was — as in, it looked very much like osuka was going through and he could always hammer if osuka got to L-1

FWIW, I kinda agree with Bob here, IV was towntelling in his EoD posts, and I thought this too. BUT WE STILL NEEDED A FLIP, and thats the only one I saw getting through, especially with Mena/Shelley being off starting a rando wagon on a slot nobody had really considered.

Speaking of which, Mena, if you dont agree with it, why did you go start a rando wagon <24 hrs before deadline?

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Post Post #3440  (isolation #222)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:14 am

In post 3439, Menalque wrote:In which case also that was me + andres

Ah, yea, that. IIRC, you had doubts about Andres, I said town, Andres voted Plus and you followed -- all v close to deadline. If you didnt think IV was towntelling, why try to flashwagon a new slot when deadline is a serious issue.

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Post Post #3443  (isolation #223)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:18 am

In post 3391, shellyc wrote:rip saudade you will be remembered

VOTE: Kerset

In post 3415, Menalque wrote:I think saudade kill is probably implicative for kerset and maybe to a lesser extent ydrasse

Or it’s an attempt to frame kerset and to get us to flip the doc and save scum a NK


I attempted NKA, and came down to Saudade was probably the most UTR slot in this F@#$ed game. If anything, I find the kill slightly town-indicative for Kerset, but cant get that far down the rabbithole of WIFOM and get the other reactions.

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Post Post #3447  (isolation #224)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:26 am

In post 3441, Menalque wrote:I think that was fairly clear

This helped. TBH, I found the random wagon <24 hours to be weak play. In a town this disjointed a flashwagon on a new slot was not going to happen. I would have thought youd join your biggest TR (me) and tried to push a counter (bob) that was demonstrably viable instead. If you had, I bet Ydrasse and Andres follow (Ydrasse with voting bob in his heart, Andres seeing that Plus aint happening). But its clear to me that you TR Bob for some reason. I think youre still stuck in your early game position there, tbh. Bob garnerned a lot of early TRs, coasted and made some vague game state comments, shaded my rolestopper comment before I outted informed (by pairing me with any future rolestopper flip), and now is remaining in a tunnel when multiple slots are telling him its wrong. If he puts so much emphasis on meta, why isnt he listening to the one person who has played with me extensively? Or interacting with them directly on, well, anything?

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Post Post #3450  (isolation #225)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:34 am

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Post Post #3451  (isolation #226)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:59 am

The formatting in Shelley's was screwing me up, so I made my own.

Spoiler: colored VCs
In post 25, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.01
executionteacher [5]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, innocentvillager, Ydrasse, osuka
Ydrasse [1]: NDMath
NDMath [1]: bob3141

Not Voting [6]: Andresvmb, teacher, saudade, Menalque, Kerset, shellyc


In post 75, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.02
executionteacher [2]: Tayl0r Swift, innocentvillager
]innocentvillager [2]: osuka, PlusJOYED
Ydrasse [1]: NDMath
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: Kerset
PlusJOYED [1]: Ydrasse

Not Voting [5]: Andresvmb, teacher, saudade, Menalque, shellyc

In post 150, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.03
executionteacher [3]: Tayl0r Swift, innocentvillager, Menalque
]innocentvillager [2]: PlusJOYED, Kerset
PlusJOYED [2]: Ydrasse, shellyc
Ydrasse [1]: NDMath
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher
shellyc [1]: osuka

Not Voting [2]: Andresvmb, saudade

In post 200, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.04
executionteacher [3]: Tayl0r Swift, innocentvillager, Menalque
]innocentvillager [2]: PlusJOYED, Kerset
PlusJOYED [2]: Ydrasse, shellyc
Ydrasse [1]: NDMath
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher
shellyc [1]: osuka
Kerset [1]: saudade

Not Voting [1]: Andresvmb

In post 328, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.05
executionshellyc [3]: osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse
teacher [2]: Tayl0r Swift, Menalque
]innocentvillager [2]: PlusJOYED, Kerset
Kerset [2]: saudade, innocentvillager
Ydrasse [1]: NDMath
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher
Tayl0r Swift [1]: shellyc

Not Voting [0]:

In post 375, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.06
executionshellyc [3]: osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse
]innocentvillager [2]: PlusJOYED, Kerset
Kerset [2]: saudade, innocentvillager
Tayl0r Swift [2]: shellyc, NDMath
teacher [1]: Tayl0r Swift
Ydrasse [1]: Menalque
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher

Not Voting [0]:

In post 450, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.07
executionTayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, Menalque
shellyc [2]: osuka, Andresvmb
]innocentvillager [2]: PlusJOYED, Kerset
Kerset [2]: saudade, innocentvillager
teacher [1]: Tayl0r Swift
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher

Not Voting [1]: Ydrasse

In post 550, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.08
executionTayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, Menalque
]innocentvillager [2]: PlusJOYED, Kerset
Kerset [2]: saudade, osuka
shellyc [1]: Andresvmb
teacher [1]: innocentvillager
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher

Not Voting [2]: Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift


In post 600, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.09
executionTayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, Menalque
]innocentvillager [3]: PlusJOYED, Kerset, Tayl0r Swift
Kerset [2]: saudade, osuka
teacher [1]: innocentvillager
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher
plusJOYED [1]: Andresvmb

Not Voting [1]: Ydrasse

In post 700, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.10
executionTayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, Menalque
]innocentvillager [3]: PlusJOYED, Kerset, Tayl0r Swift
Kerset [2]: saudade, osuka
teacher [1]: innocentvillager
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Menalque [1]: teacher
plusJOYED [1]: Andresvmb

Not Voting [1]: Ydrasse


In post 925, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.11
executionKerset [4]: saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse
Tayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, teacher
]innocentvillager [3]: PlusJOYED, Kerset, Tayl0r Swift
teacher [1]: innocentvillager
NDMath [1]: bob3141
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

In post 975, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.12
executionKerset [4]: saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse
Tayl0r Swift [4]: shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED
]innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, Tayl0r Swift
teacher [1]: innocentvillager
NDMath [1]: bob3141
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

In post 1075, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.13
executionKerset [5]: saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager
Tayl0r Swift [4]: shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED
]innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, Tayl0r Swift
NDMath [1]: bob3141
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

In post 1150, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.14
executionKerset [5]: osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift
Tayl0r Swift [4]: shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED
]innocentvillager [1]: Kerset
NDMath [1]: bob3141
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [1]: saudade

In post 1175, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.15
executionKerset [4]: Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift
Tayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
]innocentvillager [1]: Kerset
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [2]: saudade, osuka

In post 1250, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.16
executionKerset [5]: Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift, saudade
Tayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
]innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, osuka
plusJOYED [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

In post 1300, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.17
executionKerset [6]: Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift, saudade, Menalque
Tayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
]innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, osuka

Not Voting [0]:

In post 1400, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.18
executionKerset [5]: Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, saudade, Menalque
Tayl0r Swift [3]: shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
]innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, osuka
PlusJOYED [1]: Tayl0r Swift

Not Voting [0]:


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In post 1500, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.19
executionKerset [4]: Ydrasse, innocentvillager, saudade, Menalque
Tayl0r Swift [4]: shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED, Andresvmb
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
]innocentvillager [2]: Kerset, osuka
PlusJOYED [1]: Tayl0r Swift

Not Voting [0]:

In post 1575, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.20
execution]innocentvillager [5]: Kerset, osuka, Andresvmb, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
Kerset [2]: innocentvillager, saudade
Tayl0r Swift [2]: shellyc, NDMath
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher

Not Voting [2]: Menalque, Ydrasse

In post 1702, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.21
execution]innocentvillager [4]: Kerset, osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift [2]: shellyc, NDMath
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
Kerset [1]: saudade
PlusJOYED [1]: Andresvmb

Not Voting [3]: Menalque, Ydrasse, innocentvillager

In post 1775, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.22
executionosuka [4]: Menalque, innocentvillager, Ydrasse, Andresvmb
]innocentvillager [4]: Kerset, osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift [2]: shellyc, NDMath
NDMath [2]: bob3141, teacher
Kerset [1]: saudade

Not Voting [0]:

In post 1875, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.23
execution]innocentvillager [5]: Kerset, osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, shellyc
osuka [3]: Menalque, innocentvillager, Andresvmb
NDMath [1]: bob3141
Kerset [1]: saudade

Not Voting [3]: Ydrasse, NDMath, teacher


In post 2011, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.24
execution]innocentvillager [4]: osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, shellyc
Kerset [3]: saudade, teacher, Ydrasse
osuka [2]: Menalque, Andresvmb
NDMath [1]: bob3141
teacher [1]: Kerset

Not Voting [2]: NDMath, innocentvillager

In post 2050, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.25
execution]innocentvillager [3]: osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
Kerset [3]: saudade, teacher, Ydrasse
osuka [2]: Menalque, Andresvmb
NDMath [1]: bob3141
teacher [1]: Kerset
PlusJOYED [1]: shellyc

Not Voting [2]: NDMath, innocentvillager

In post 2125, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.26
execution]innocentvillager [3]: osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
Kerset [3]: saudade, teacher, Ydrasse
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
osuka [1]: Menalque
PlusJOYED [1]: shellyc
bob3141 [1]: Andresvmb

Not Voting [2]: NDMath, innocentvillager

In post 2388, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.27
execution]innocentvillager [3]: osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
bob3141 [3]: Andresvmb, NDMath, Ydrasse
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
Kerset [1]: shellyc
osuka [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [3]: innocentvillager, teacher, saudade

In post 2450, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.28
executionbob3141 [4]: Andresvmb, NDMath, Ydrasse, teacher
]innocentvillager [3]: osuka, Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
Kerset [1]: shellyc
osuka [1]: Menalque

Not Voting [2]: innocentvillager, saudade

In post 2525, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.29
executionbob3141 [4]: Andresvmb, NDMath, Ydrasse, teacher
]innocentvillager [2]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
Kerset [1]: shellyc
osuka [1]: Menalque
Menalque [1]: osuka

Not Voting [2]: innocentvillager, saudade

In post 2650, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.30
executionbob3141 [3]: Andresvmb, NDMath, teacher
]innocentvillager [3]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka
osuka [3]: Menalque, innocentvillager, Ydrasse
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
Kerset [1]: shellyc

Not Voting [1]: saudade

In post 2700, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.31
executionosuka [4]: Menalque, Ydrasse, shellyc, saudade
bob3141 [3]: Andresvmb, NDMath, teacher
]innocentvillager [3]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
shellyc [1]: innocentvillager

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In post 2816, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.32
executionosuka [5]: Menalque, Ydrasse, shellyc, innocentvillager, saudade
bob3141 [3]: Andresvmb, NDMath, teacher
]innocentvillager [3]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141

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In post 2900, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.33
executionosuka [4]: Menalque, Ydrasse, shellyc, saudade
]innocentvillager [4]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager
bob3141 [3]: Andresvmb, NDMath, teacher
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141

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In post 2975, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.34
executionosuka [5]: Menalque, Ydrasse, shellyc, saudade, Andresvmb
]innocentvillager [4]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager
bob3141 [2]: NDMath, teacher
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141

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In post 3025, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.35
executionosuka [4]: Ydrasse, shellyc, saudade, Andresvmb
]innocentvillager [4]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager
bob3141 [2]: NDMath, teacher
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141

Not Voting [1]: Menalque

In post 3050, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.36
execution]innocentvillager [4]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager
osuka [3]: Ydrasse, shellyc, saudade
bob3141 [2]: NDMath, teacher
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
PlusJOYED [1]: Andresvmb

Not Voting [1]: Menalque


In post 3386, Datisi wrote:Vote count 1.final
execution]innocentvillager [7]: Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse [HAMMER]
teacher [2]: Kerset, bob3141
PlusJOYED [2]: Andresvmb, Menalque
Kerset [2]: saudade, shellyc

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Post Post #3452  (isolation #227)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:44 am

Factchecking Bob's posts from just today.
In post 3388, bob3141 wrote:[talking about NDMAth] You push me then as soon as my wagon goes. You then say your ok with ouska. Osuka wagon breaks up and tehn your all for IV.

False on ANY number of levels: NDMath (a) never says he is ok with Osuka; (b) never is all for IV (see below).
Spoiler: Osuka quotes
In post 1906, NDMath wrote:Mena's Osuka push is bad. I don't see what the supposed scum equity is.
In post 2152, NDMath wrote:There really isn't an argument for scum!osuka?

In post 2409, NDMath wrote:
In post 2246, Saudade wrote:ndamath do you townread osuka

Yes.


In post 3389, bob3141 wrote:a few days to deadline

In post 3398, bob3141 wrote:pleanty of time on the clock

lol. -17 hours, with no counterwagon to IV (nothing above 2 IIRC (Osuka breaking apart, Bob not gaining traction, Plus being a brand new one that nobody had weighed). Sure, lots of time.

In post 3397, bob3141 wrote:He choose to vote IV, He choose not to push for any alternative lynch. He didnt say oh at worst IV is VT. He said oh now i think he is scum. He didnt say im voting to avoid no lynch. Which we were still a fair bit from

Again, not at all a fair bit from. Hours from. What alternative lynch had any possibility -- maybe Osuka, whom NDMath had explicitly townread (but of course Bob concealed that fact). More importantly, NDMAth does say exactly what Bob said he didnt -- that it was a compromise on at worst a vt slot that cannot see lylo
Spoiler: relevant IV quotes
In post 2152, NDMath wrote:Would vote IV when there's an urgency to consolidate, but 1518 being basically the entire case is... not sure the word. Like it can't be pressured since there's no defense as either alignment

In post 2837, NDMath wrote:Bob>IV>Osuka to get an elim through.
In post 3133, NDMath wrote:agree with plus's logic that if IV is town I want to get it done with since it's gonna be hard to change enough people's minds (mine included) to not elim him later on.


In post 3399, bob3141 wrote:votes IV with conviction.

Yea, those IV quotes above sure do have conviction. :lol:


In post 3423, bob3141 wrote:When osuka was in the lead both there [i.e., mine and NDMaths] reads where


bob>osuka> IV
Challenge -- quote me saying Id go to Osuka over IV. Go ahead.

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Post Post #3453  (isolation #228)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:51 am

VOTE: Kerset.

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Post Post #3462  (isolation #229)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:41 am

In post 3457, Andresvmb wrote:We had a hard claimed Cop,

????

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Post Post #3463  (isolation #230)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:42 am

Oh right, I forgot Saud said that. Yea, to me it seemed obviously fake? I think it was saud simply for being UTR.

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Post Post #3464  (isolation #231)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:46 am

In post 3460, PlusJOYED wrote:I think I want a ndmath, bob, teacher, or osuka elim today
peddit agree on town!taylor atm
I don't think that hammer was a scumtell imo

Plus, my read on you has slipped quite a bit, but I agree with your elimination pool other than me. That's part of my read on you -- I feel like you've been on the OTHER wagons from Mena/Shelley/Ydrasse/Saud (my townleans D1), but had townleans of them/otherwise positioned consistent with them. I feel like the dissonance between your reads of them and your wagon positioning relative to them was one of the reasons people had a hard time consolidating yesterday.

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Post Post #3465  (isolation #232)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:47 am

In post 3460, PlusJOYED wrote:peddit agree on town!taylor atm

Then look at the VCS around 1.11 through 1.13. If town!taylor, do you really think all three leading wagons are on town?

Talk to me about Kerset, leaving aside the claim.

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Post Post #3483  (isolation #233)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:40 am

Weighted readslist:

People I wont lim today: Taylor, andres, mena, shelley, ydrasse
Slot I think is tonally town but laughable: Bob
Slots I would consider, and definitely want to engage with and about: NDMath Osuka
Slot I find scummy: Plus
Slot that is just scum: Kerset

Personal solve (Kerset-Plus-Osuka)
Looking at Kerset and Plus's ISOs on Osuka is interesting, particularly Kerset's unexplained evolution on the slot as it got pressure.

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Post Post #3485  (isolation #234)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:51 am

I could see a deep wolf in (mena-shelley-you), possibly, depending on the Kerset flip. (this is also why I get Andres(?) comment on nuking me based on the flip. But rn I love that wagon comp and target.

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Post Post #3488  (isolation #235)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:53 am

No way we massclaim today.
Also, I thought you were miller?

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Post Post #3495  (isolation #236)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:03 pm

In post 3489, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah I’m a Miller Town Checker. Frankly it’s a bit of a stupid Role.

It may just be me, but this is written weirdly. Like roles are normally "[Alignment] [modifer(s)] [role(s)]," like "Town miller checker" not "miller town checker" Town is an alignment, not a modifier or a role.

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Post Post #3496  (isolation #237)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:03 pm

In post 3465, teacher wrote:Talk to me about Kerset, leaving aside the claim.

Hey Plus, wanna hit this up?

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Post Post #3497  (isolation #238)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:05 pm

In post 3493, PlusJOYED wrote:i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic

IIRC, youre the one who thought it was a joke claim for like a while and pushed Mena on it????
Also, scum!ascetic and scum!roleblocker?

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Post Post #3498  (isolation #239)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:05 pm

In post 3497, teacher wrote:
In post 3493, PlusJOYED wrote:i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic

IIRC, youre the one who thought it was a joke claim for like a while and pushed Mena on it????
Also, scum!ascetic and scum!roleblocker?

FFS. scum!rolestopper.

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Post Post #3499  (isolation #240)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:22 pm

Finally, it’s now family/football time so I’m for a bit. Andres can you talk about choosing to check ndmath instead of Kerset?

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Post Post #3500  (isolation #241)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:22 pm

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Post Post #3514  (isolation #242)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:32 pm

I don’t understand 3513. Who is “he”?

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Post Post #3531  (isolation #243)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:59 pm

UNVOTE:
More to be gained from the day. Votes there in spirit.

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Post Post #3584  (isolation #244)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:25 pm

In post 3553, PlusJOYED wrote:tinfoil hat idea:
ndmath isn't ascetic at all. They have a mafia rolestopper and they rolestopped ndmath to give a pseudo obvtown as mafia

You do realize I said this yesterday ya?

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Post Post #3585  (isolation #245)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:26 pm

In post 3558, shellyc wrote:I'm currently scumleaning NDMath who is probable deepwolf here and also on iv wagon

what if they were a mafia gated commuter or something

I’m sorry in what world is ndmath a deep wolf??? Like nobody TRs the slot.

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Post Post #3586  (isolation #246)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:28 pm

intent

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Post Post #3588  (isolation #247)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:29 pm

In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3512, Kerset wrote:cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset


Does anybody else actually believe this as a reason to flip so hard?

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Post Post #3591  (isolation #248)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:31 pm

In post 3589, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 3586, teacher wrote:intent

thats fine but i still dunno if its time to end the day yet.

Ya, I plan on waiting at least til NDmath checks into thread. I’m just following the niceties and saying that I intend to vote when I feel comfortable, and if you aren’t good with me holding hammer, then perhaps back off.

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Post Post #3608  (isolation #249)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:54 pm

Again, attend NDMath. He’s normally on mid morning

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Post Post #3612  (isolation #250)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:10 pm

In post 3609, osuka wrote:
In post 3527, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3512, Kerset wrote:cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

uhh actually I’m rereading and I think I agree?

So Osuka what is your take on Kerset?

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Post Post #3624  (isolation #251)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:03 pm

In post 3623, NDMath wrote:3542 Explains very well.

Wrong post?

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Post Post #3635  (isolation #252)  » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:36 pm

Osuka, what’s your take on the Kerset wagon and posting?

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Post Post #3648  (isolation #253)  » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:41 am

In post 3644, Kerset wrote:
In post 3533, bob3141 wrote:Kerset today you have not realy said so far who you think is scum.

You made a post bashing saude. You have not even claimed who you protected and why. So who then?

I said yesterday that teacher, the flips didn't affect this read. Sorry that i haven't fully solved this game yet for you, i am still researching.

Andre. This is what smart scum would kill, his delayed claim suggested active power, he tried to lay low and wasn't really scumreaded by anyone. You should remember about skill level clue in lylo, it may safe the game. Also later you will see why is it bad idea to pursue gated pr about n1.

A. There are three scum. Having one scumread is??????
B. Are you saying Andres is a scumread?????
C. Does either of these come with reasons? And yes, repeating them is fine because it is impt to tell whether your stance has evolved at all over the 100-odd pages since you adopted them. For example, I could come up with a town!doc’s reason to suspect me before I outted the info and stopped pushing yoh, but not really after.

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Post Post #3657  (isolation #254)  » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:46 am

VOTE: kerset

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Post Post #3658  (isolation #255)  » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:46 am

Actual hammer.

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