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[osuka]

don’t worry nerds I’m here to save the day

VOTE: teacher

[osuka]

VOTE: innocentvillager is obvscumming

[osuka]

that has 80% accuracy rate

Ok, is like a truthiness thing or actual data, because I gotta day it sounds hella made up.

did you know up to 72% of statistics you read online are completely made up

[osuka]

Listen I know some of you played with scum!me

... but this is town!me

PURE TOWNIE ENERGY
LOOK AT ME I'M SO TOWN

i'm already annoyed
VOTE: shelly

[osuka]

everyone needs to calm down i can't keep up

anD WHOSE PROBLEM IS THAT, NOW

[osuka]

this is the rvs energy i was waiting for

sadly i should probs go soon

if you go i'm gonna flashtrain you

[osuka]

iv is not town

[osuka]

Lol readlist page 10

omg somebody posted an entire 3 team scum solve,
Jesus should've told me im playing with mafia gods

[osuka]

INTENT TO HAMMER ON PLUSJOYED

the way you’re playing this game is giving me brain damage

[osuka]

INTENT TO HAMMER ON PLUSJOYED

the way you’re playing this game is giving me brain damage

I was reaction testing.

I would be ashamed to call that a reaction test

[osuka]

I can see how you would see the discrepancy as being AI but in reality I just learned a lot from that first game and gained more confidence in my reads since they turned out pretty close. It's NAI but you don't have to believe me.

IMO confidence is a scumtell

being confident indicates that you are sure about your reads

scum are INFORMED and know if they are right or wrong

look at my completed games

i post in a very sure attitude and it's not AI

154 indicates that they agree with my TR on them and instead of adding anything to it they just latch on and do nothing else.
283 says "only read TR" without a real explanation

?????

[osuka]

interesting mafia theory

sometimes the prevailing view is correct

but having a different view indicates an independent thought process which gives us more to work with imo

This is naive

showing a different view does not necessarily mean having one (i.e., views are constantly fabricated) and the appearance of an independent thought process means literally nothing. Scum can also think (sometimes) and you’ll never catch good scum this way

[osuka]

VOTE: innocentvillager is obvscumming

Can you elaborate as to why you think this?

no

[osuka]

yeah I don’t think plus is scum

osuka yeah I get it. what do you think about plus and shelly alignment wise

Shelly is an interesting one because there’s _something_ off about that slot in terms of behavior. very nervous vibes that I don’t know whether to attribute to nervous newbie or nervous scum. I’d say scumlean but not a solid read there yet

No idea about plus

[osuka]

Oh, and all I remember from last night was getting a fairly strong impression that teacher was town from the way he reacted to my entrance

VOTE: ydrasse

I don't like this vote without reasoning to go with and you're not caught up. We're past the random voting stage, that could have been an accidental hammer

do you seriously think scum would quickhammer on page 10?

[osuka]

lurkerman

Who is this btw?

osuka

lol why am I lurkerman

[osuka]

you know who is town and who is scum

well you’re right about that part

scumclaim

[osuka]

test

you failed the test

[osuka]

Can we appreciate the way Ydra never dodges anything? Player, which knows that she is bad as mafia, stays here all the time to give us the highest possible amount of intel about herself. As scum she would run away at some point.

the best scum players are the ones you think you can read but really cant

[osuka]

This is not a kawaii waifu. :/

policy lynch
VOTE: kerset

[osuka]

dont know where that quot came from

from post 142 clearly

[osuka]

wtf?!

this is half a prodge

[osuka]

Actually, Osuka is probably fine - I appreciate the dry posting, though I feel a bit iffy about you going so hard for shellyc at times when it’s clear that shellyc hasn’t played all that many games (and if Town, probably doesn’t have a great sense of how to find Scum).

newbies get approximately zero leeway with me outside of the newbie queue

[osuka]

unfortunately I rolled town this game

which is sad since being scum is real fun

nvm even in my chat mafia days I always got SR as town

I don't like sheeping

I don't like being self aware

and I don't like dark avis

VOTE: PlusJoy

PUSH IT TO E-1

lets duel

INTENT TO HAMMER ON PLUSJOYED

Like these posts stick out to me. There’s an admission that being Scum is more fun (which squares with posting outside of this game), there’s a lot of comments on how their reads are very much gut based (with some clear posting as to how she intends to find Scum - confidence and apparent self-awareness being up there), and a weird flip on plusJOYED which she was TR previously. Does any of this strike you as Scum? Because I’m not seeing it.

playful newbie lamist bullshit is what it strikes me as

[osuka]

{plus, ydrasse, menal}
{shelly, andres}
{Taylor}
{ndmath, bob, kerset, Saudade, osuka}
{teacher}

i'm flattered

[osuka]

stream of consciousness is nai

[osuka]

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

this is your reasoning for him being a townie god?

he could “believe it” and also be scum

i just reread that post and burst out laughing

"he was playing pretty weird and what he's saying doesn't seem to make all that much sense but clearly he's a strong believer so obvtown"

[osuka]

Actually wait, another thing @andres, why do you like osuka so far?

This is like a universal question that everyone should ask themselves deeply in heart

haha fuck ouch

[osuka]

meaning you get a better feeling from osuka?

No, meaning the fact that you have a worse feeling about osuka means he doesnt quite give a shit

oh god you really have me figured out don't you

can i sig this

[osuka]

i had to take a second there to get my shit together, you got me laughing pretty good

[osuka]

on second thought just to be safe ill wait until the end of this game to sig that

please dont let me forget

[osuka]

osuka give me a sign that you’re town

i dont ever really give signs of my alignment, why would i start now

[osuka]

osuka give me a sign that you’re town

i dont ever really give signs of my alignment, why would i start now

Because this is a team game and you'd rather be an asset to the team than a liability that needs to be carried?

Follow up question: what makes you think there’s anything I can do as town that I couldn’t fake as scum

[osuka]

why did osuka leave as soon as I demanded content from him

Had to take a shit before going to bed

Sorry to disappoint

[osuka]

osuka give me a sign that you’re town

i dont ever really give signs of my alignment, why would i start now

Because this is a team game and you'd rather be an asset to the team than a liability that needs to be carried?

Follow up question: what makes you think there’s anything I can do as town that I couldn’t fake as scum

The question was rhetorical

Mine was not

[osuka]

osuka give me a sign that you’re town

i dont ever really give signs of my alignment, why would i start now

Because this is a team game and you'd rather be an asset to the team than a liability that needs to be carried?

Follow up question: what makes you think there’s anything I can do as town that I couldn’t fake as scum

The question was rhetorical

Mine was not

Yddrase said you are voting Kerset as a joke vote, is that correct?

I don’t remember

[osuka]

Just went back and I’m still in favor of that policy lynch but if it doesn’t get traction soon I’ll have to compromise

[osuka]

Oh

[osuka]

That’s good to know

[osuka]

Ask me before I go to sleep, you have 10 minutes

[osuka]

osuka did not seem terribly forthright and i was too tired to wrassle

osuka, thoughts on taylor?

Slight townlean. Hasn’t done anything you couldn’t reasonably fake as scum but feels generally towny because some of the probes were actually sorta good

[osuka]

also give me ur strong trs if u have em

No strong townreads so far, sorry

[osuka]

nvm yours changes too i just had to f5

lol big brain

[osuka]

You’re welcome

Good night

[osuka]

osuka owned up to being useless, kerset deflected and reacted negatively

That’s just not true at all, I owned up to not giving alignment cues

Nice try though

[osuka]

osuka owned up to being useless, kerset deflected and reacted negatively

That’s just not true at all, I owned up to not giving alignment cues

Nice try though

Do you deny being useless

probably

[osuka]

Well its both.
Neither is a good behavior for town.
I dont like how osuka is playing either, if Kerset was any better maybe the wagon would've been on him right now.
Kerset's just worse

how is kerset worse

[osuka]

getting vaguely scummy vibes from teacher right now but i dont think it warrants a vote quite yet

[osuka]

im slightly intoxicated and extremely tired but ill try

[osuka]

feels like fake opposition. it's almost like he's trying to make it look like he disagrees without being _too_ harsh about it, so not really like a pocketing attempt but like a "look at me im town and trying to solve the game"

[osuka]

kerset can you like provide some content though

If you want to talk about something then ask me about it directly.

kk -- why are you still on what reads as a lol-vote? What are your 4 best reads, either way, out of rand?

I prefer to use a vote as either follow up to the line of though of pressure or actually executing someone and neither of this condition was triggered recently. I don't think i could confidently pull 4 names, which i won't change mind about over 2 days. By definition of day 1 people, when people make calls, which are random and utilized to determine associations. Two green ones would be mena and osuka, two red would be andre and iv,

Why am I green? Why is iv red?

[osuka]

i posted that before i saw 1106 but let's go back to iv

wouldn't you say that natural curiousness is a towny trait rather than a scummy one?

[osuka]

I don’t think I’m too keen on getting rid of kerset just yet. The wagon feels off to me for one reason or another

Those of you on it, what are your reasons to lynch that slot

[osuka]

I don’t think I’m too keen on getting rid of kerset just yet. The wagon feels off to me for one reason or another

Those of you on it, what are your reasons to lynch that slot

kerset's iso

Elaborate

[osuka]

Just realized I’m voting for kerset UNVOTE: kerset

[osuka]

Just realized I’m voting for kerset UNVOTE: kerset

so you dont realize your vote is on kerset for a long time despite being told but once sau unvotes you unvotes?

i didnt realize he unvoted either

[osuka]

Just realized I’m voting for kerset UNVOTE: kerset

so you dont realize your vote is on kerset for a long time despite being told but once sau unvotes you unvotes?

youre assuming that i read the thread

[osuka]

shelly's iso is much townier than I expected it to be.

????????????

I don't like this

NDMath being very apathetic here. 0 original content

how is this different from

Shelly walk me through why you are assigning Town points to Kerset for recent responses.

because they feel town???

seriously

because all i see in 1168 is fucking fluff

[osuka]

plus doesn't make sense to me at all and i wanted to vote them again but they're v/la so it wouldn't even do anything

iv if you're scum i'm gonna be very sad postgame

iv is scum though

[osuka]

i think bob might be scum here as well but i really cant tell

i remember playing with him at one point or another and i remember i definitely sr him but i dont recall whether he was townie or scum

[osuka]

oh fuck i do remember that game now. large normal 228 if any of you nerds are interested

he turned out to be a town pr. whoops

[osuka]

bob's iso has literally nothing of note and i reckon that is, itself, of note somewhat. he hasn't posted much to be fair so im not sure how much that means if anything

[osuka]

so i just skimmed shelly's iso and for one reason or another i have the feeling she's avoiding interacting with my slot. she's mentioned me once saying i had a weird tr on taylor and describing my posting as "concerning" and proceeding to not elaborate on that in the slightest

[osuka]

anyone else noticing osuka waffling and not taking a firm stance on anything? scumpoints to osuka. also yeah i kinda do assume you read the thread. thats like baseline minimum town kinda has to do.

that was a snarky way of saying i posted before i got to that point in the thread, but since you seem to be slightly dense i'll make sure to be extra explicit when talking to you from here on out

[osuka]

i think plusjoyed can be town for now? I'm not entirely sure. towny vibes but i'm wary of him for some reason

[osuka]

everyone needs to calm down i can't keep up

anD WHOSE PROBLEM IS THAT, NOW

DON'T YELL AT ME?

i just saw this post and had to say that I'LL YELL AT WHOEVER I WANT AND THERE'S NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO TO STOP ME

also why do you have a question mark at the end of that

[osuka]

big fan of ydr's 299 through 325

[osuka]

iv in general just... is towny to me? i don't see the scumslips that other people are saying they seeing and instead see an effort to talk to people and solve. the interaction that we had early game set me on the path to tring him and from there i haven't doubted it from his posting.

i think iv is just better scum than youre giving him credit for. try going through his iso with the assumption that he's scum and tell me what you think

[osuka]

poof i hope to god ydrasse is town because if she's scum then i dont fucking know anything about this game anymore

[osuka]

i have no idea how to read saudade so im not even gonna try at this point

[osuka]

i just realized im not voting so VOTE: innocentvillager

[osuka]

god why are you losers never here when i am

[osuka]

scum vibes from andres for distinctly indistinct reasons

[osuka]

Why can’t it be both? You are definitely slow. And there’s a lot of jabber right now.

Hang on, I have something for this

Why can’t it be both?

shit tier shitposting

very weak, im very disappointed

[osuka]

menalque's iso is interesting. feels like fabricated disagreement and reads that slowly drift towards consensus while never truly getting there, all the while trying to make it seem like the reads are naturally evolving. very odd

[osuka]

if i don't do it tonight in a bit i'll do it tmrw after work @osuka

you got it but im probably going to sleep soon because im pretty sure ive been hungover for like almost 48 hours at this point and i have a headache and im tired

hopefully i dont die in my sleep tonight

[osuka]

i think plusjoyed can be town for now? I'm not entirely sure. towny vibes but i'm wary of him for some reason

more waffling and not taking a stance. also note that osuka ignored the important part of my last post and deflected with being a dickhead.

not only was your post entirely unimportant, but the part you're referring to was actually directed at everyone but myself. i'm pretty sure one of the two of us has a bad case of their head being up in the ass and i'm pretty sure it's not me

[osuka]

iv in general just... is towny to me? i don't see the scumslips that other people are saying they seeing and instead see an effort to talk to people and solve. the interaction that we had early game set me on the path to tring him and from there i haven't doubted it from his posting.

i think iv is just better scum than youre giving him credit for. try going through his iso with the assumption that he's scum and tell me what you think

this is pretty manipulative and trying to lead people into coloring their reads.

nice try

i maintain that iv is scum and he's excellent at it. especially if you're newer to ms (like most of this playerlist), you'll probably write him off as town fairly quickly

[osuka]

so i just skimmed shelly's iso and for one reason or another i have the feeling she's avoiding interacting with my slot. she's mentioned me once saying i had a weird tr on taylor and describing my posting as "concerning" and proceeding to not elaborate on that in the slightest

why would shelly be avoiding interacting with you, and what do you make of it if its true?

i can't fathom in the slightest why she'd be avoiding me so i can't really guess as to why she'd do it. just found that to be somewhat noteworthy because there seemed to be an effort to engage with most of the slots, myself being the exception

[osuka]

Plusjoy I feel like I don’t understand where his thoughts are coming from at all, and that’s compounded with things I think are contradictory (thinking my reads were weird when I said similar things to his first impressions), I dislike the push on IV who I think is p towny so far and I dislike the confidence level being manifested there (also in conjunction with someone saying that in a past game as town he was happier to leave people as idk which speaks I think to an ability as town to be nuanced or acknowledge that his read strength may be variable as town), and then stuff that I just don’t get at all (like the thing of arguing that ND’s opening claim was as obviously a joke as kerset’s was)

Just like enough things seem off in small ways that despite him playing I don’t feel he’s town

Would prob prefer t-swizzle at this point tho

VOTE: t-swizzle

third vote on a growing wagon on someone that's fairly well scumread is prime scum time

[osuka]

menalque seems very aware of the gamestate he's playing in, which is good for town but better for scum. i ~think~ that's nai but i can't be sure

[osuka]

At work so can’t really spare much time but I do wanna say that you nerds have your reads all backwards and shit

Kerset flips town, joyed maybe flips town, someone get on this iv wagon

[osuka]

If this was a hammer then please get rid of iv day 2

[osuka]

okay holy shit there's 20 pages

catching up

[osuka]

Show me the evidence boy

you notice how that slot has been on the verge of being voted off and no alternative wagons have picked up momentum? that's not a coincidence

[osuka]

if iv flips red taylor is probs town

uhh what

[osuka]

I Dont Wanna Move On

Why Are We Speaking In Title Case

[osuka]

I want to stop to commend Osuka for figuring out the game state correctly.

thanks but my ego does _not_ need to be any bigger

[osuka]

VOTE: innocentvillager is obvscumming

i was 100% serious with this by the way

[osuka]

do you guys hear that? in the distance

[osuka]

fuck that was a disgusting snipe

[osuka]

i was gonna pagetop but evidently i wasnt fast enough

[osuka]

Idk I think there is a high concentration of scum in (osuka, plus, kerset, NDmath) atp

this is all wrong

out of all of those only math is maybe scum

[osuka]

And you could make a case that it makes it more likely for the slip to actually be a thing, since a Scum player in the right mindset probably ensures not to post something on the main thread that was meant for the Scum PT.

Look, we can debate this until the cows come home, but I am not letting this one go. IV is clearly now a controversial slot. I would never trust IV in any late state situation in this game. So, I would rather eliminate the slot sooner rather than later. If IV is Town, the slip and everything that came around it will be used to the advantage of Scum later.

(1) i have straight up never seen someone scumslip from scum PT into main thread. In a neighbourhood thread, sure, or s different scum PT. never into main thread

(2) this is terrible logic? I’m sorry, but it is. IV is a controversial slot in large part because you’re pushing so hard that this is a real scumslip and ignoring/avoiding all the reasons for him to be town (in my towncase which didn’t take long to make because there’s plenty there and which you’re largely sidestepping). There’s no reason to think he won’t be redeemable by lategame or that he’ll still be controversial, and the only reason he’ll still be controversial or whatever is if you can’t look beyond what isn’t a scumslip to engage with his content beyond that

i have seen a slip into main thread on ms im pretty sure

[osuka]

Because scumslips are far more often from town and sorry but I don’t want to guillo IV today when there are like 5 slots minimum that I think are scummier than him /on play/

?????????????????????????????????

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

i'm going to elect to ignore this from this point forward as the sad, moronic attempt at a push that it is and get on with my day

[osuka]

osuka, i read through the towngame i shared w iv and i've started skimming his iso and i feel like... i'm reading the same thing more or less, i.e. town iv? i don't get a sense that there's a difference btwn the two games.

like, you're saying iv's obvscumming but i'm not seeing it so i need you to hold my hand and walk me through it

no dude iv just had a fucking breakdown after he got accused of slipping

regardless of whether or not it was a slip, his reaction to the push on him really sealed the deal. he's confscum in my mind and i am almost certainly not going to compromise d1

[osuka]

okay

osuka reacted exactly how town!osuka and scum!osuka would’ve reacted

what next?

that's because town osuka and scum osuka behave nearly identically

what's your point

[osuka]

the AtE is horrific

IV is probably just outed scum

this but without the "probably"

[osuka]

I rescind my TR of Shelly.

are you going to scumread everyone that does not share your views

Funny. I have a pool. It used to not include you. Now it does.

omegalul

you can't even make this shit up, this is ridiculous

[osuka]

Bob I’m not sure. They worked through your slip in a methodical way, and almost seemed to be concluding that it was bad, but *didn’t* vote you. And I thought that was odd. But Bob’s contributions do not read Scummy to me. At the same time, what I have seen from Bob is an assertive Town player that establishes a POE and pushes it aggressively. I have not really seen that here.

actually this is a very good point about bob. one of the reasons i scumread him when we played together was that he was overly pushy and for the wrong reasons (or not so good reasons anyway), and he's been mostly absent

would like to hear more from him

[osuka]

There’s no way I’m catching up on the 20 pages tonight, but I’m around for about 30 mins.

hi we're executing iv because he's scum and he slipped, so now everyone sees the truth that i exposed all the way back on page 2

[osuka]

Osuka has very little reason to go from Kerset to IV as scum to he honest, you are wasting your time

When did I ever say kerset was scum

[osuka]

Osuka has very little reason to go from Kerset to IV as scum to he honest, you are wasting your time

When did I ever say kerset was scum

you were voting him with me at some point and then switched

You didn’t answer the question

[osuka]

i bet my iso and reaction is scummy if you undeniably completely unquestioningly believe I am scum hm I wonder

yes actually your iso is scummy and your reaction is a literal mental breakdown

[osuka]

sorry can someone recap what the four claims were

because i think i missed three of them

[osuka]

i agree with menal scum

[osuka]

id much rather see iv get the exec but i guess menalque isnt super terrible

[osuka]

Osuka has very little reason to go from Kerset to IV as scum to he honest, you are wasting your time

When did I ever say kerset was scum

you were voting him with me at some point and then switched

You didn’t answer the question

that is my answer

that's a non-answer

[osuka]

here's a hint

This is not a kawaii waifu. :/

policy lynch
VOTE: kerset

[osuka]

oh look and here's you trying to get him lynched and me trying to get an answer out of you, which i never did

Well its both.
Neither is a good behavior for town.
I dont like how osuka is playing either, if Kerset was any better maybe the wagon would've been on him right now.
Kerset's just worse

how is kerset worse

[osuka]

boop

how the fuck do you keep sniping pagetops

[osuka]

oh look AGAIN here's me 700 posts ago saying i dont wanna get rid of kerset

I don’t think I’m too keen on getting rid of kerset just yet. The wagon feels off to me for one reason or another

Those of you on it, what are your reasons to lynch that slot

[osuka]

but please tell me all about how i was scumreading the slot, saudade

i dont think youre scum but please for the love of god or whatever deity you believe in, get your head out of your fucking ass yes

[osuka]

boop

how the fuck do you keep sniping pagetops

insomnia is currently kicking my ass and i have nothing better to do

its 4:30am

send help

i have a few tricks to fall asleep when insomnia kicks in

do you happen to have an angle grinder laying around?

[osuka]

boop

how the fuck do you keep sniping pagetops

insomnia is currently kicking my ass and i have nothing better to do

its 4:30am

send help

i have a few tricks to fall asleep when insomnia kicks in

do you happen to have an angle grinder laying around?

y'know what i think i'mma pass

oh come on now just give it a chance

if you don't have one of those, you can probably make do with a spare tire and a pineapple

[osuka]

Spoiler: the total unbelievability of that hammer test

Kerset [5]: Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Saudade, Menalque

Votecount showing wagon members just one page behind hammer test.

i think this discussion is good and yes my vote is on kerset

IV emphasizing wagon presence (in response to Saud) less than 20 posts before hammer test.

VOTE: kerset
Hammer gg

Saudade pretends to be the hammer, despite being the obvious wagon driver. But....

VOTE: Kerset fine

IV won’t let Saud do the test, and instead pretends HE is the hammer (calling out how fake it is)

guess we just wait for the flip

super meta btw anyone posting on twilight is 90% town

I’m really hoping this flips Scum so the Andre alliance can remain without paranoia!

Oh, just don’t mind us three (and others) casually emphasizing the hammer and twilight in every comment we make because that’s so typical, amirite?

Wait

Wait

DON’T

Wait

DON’T

don’t what...?

And definitely don’t double check anything because nobody has anything to hide behind all caps DONT. Just keep assuming everybody talks about a lolhammer as if it’s the worlds funniest thing.

wow good job you gamethrowed to satisfy saude ego, suck to be you bc you lost doctor by not giving me chance to claim. At least 10 players in mafiascum will learn how valueable independent thought is.

This is not a valid claim in this context.

VOTE: kerset

this is kind of what i was thinking i was curious if anyone was going to bring it up

why didn't you?

[osuka]

let me guess, is it because you got a scum role pm?

[osuka]

whoa whoa whoa hold on a minute

[osuka]

do you guys hear that?

[osuka]

someone's calling me and i think i know who it is

[osuka]

IT'S DADDY AND HE SAID HE WANTED THE PAGETOP BABY

[osuka]

bout to hammer you for that

me or iv? because i'm definitely down with lynching at least one of the two options

[osuka]

i bet my iso and reaction is scummy if you undeniably completely unquestioningly believe I am scum hm I wonder

yes actually your iso is scummy and your reaction is a literal mental breakdown

I think its worth rereading iv again, the mental breakdown is too odd not to raise any doubts
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

didnt realize there was an echo in here

[osuka]

im losing it ydrasse

you lost the plot long ago buddy

we all did

[osuka]

also pagetop

D A D D Y I N T E N S I F I E S

[osuka]

i feel like everything i say at this point is just going to be antitown somehow

not one of my best towngames to say the least

i think we can forgive it in light of the fact that it's actually not one of your towngames at all

[osuka]

ah fuck i just started a match of sc2 and im playing vZ

wish me luck

[osuka]

yeah it doesn't help when you keep calling me scum

like what's the point we get it you think im scum

the point is that its not just that i think youre scum, it's that you _are_ scum

[osuka]

uh

[osuka]

daddy snipe

[osuka]

you've been doing this since lime the first day my guy
ndmath is also probs town
scumteam is teacher/iv/that other fuck

boom guys i got it it's iv/teacher/ndmath
ndmath is probs maf ascetic

PLUSJOY YOU JUST MADE ME GO ???????? again

-10 on my scum radar now

VOTE: PlusJoy
I want to see what happens

Come on shelly you were doing so well

[osuka]

okay yeah shelly just had a fake lamist breakdown that I’m really not a fan of

[osuka]

It’s like “oh my god don’t out PRs, let’s not bring attention to it” while bringing as much attention to it as possible

[osuka]

shelly is still town tho even if shellys posts atm are pretty weird.

why are you so adamant of town shelly

[osuka]

I feel like a teacher vote

VOTE: teacher

Lets see if teh wagons stay stale

you're gonna have to do a lot of convincing to move me from iv

[osuka]

Okay why is osuka not being voted anymore

because im town

[osuka]

the people have seen the truth

[osuka]

also, i have a small mod announcement. my ruleset is getting a new rule:

Using scripts - using scripts to alter or hide another player's posts is not allowed.

this isn't related to anything that's happened in this game, but for formality's sake i'm announcing it here since it is a mid-game rule addition.

okay, carry on with whatever you were doing.

quick question: since editing posts is against the rules already, does this refer to local things like userscripts?

[osuka]

also, i have a small mod announcement. my ruleset is getting a new rule:

Using scripts - using scripts to alter or hide another player's posts is not allowed.

this isn't related to anything that's happened in this game, but for formality's sake i'm announcing it here since it is a mid-game rule addition.

okay, carry on with whatever you were doing.

quick question: since editing posts is against the rules already, does this refer to local things like userscripts?

yes, anything that alters or hides the content of another player's posts to you is not allowed. (e. g., you aren't allowed to "mute" another player.) if you're just changing the site colours or something, go nuts.

gotcha. interesting that this is a rule since it is virtually unenforceable, but makes sense to me

[osuka]

Okay why is osuka not being voted anymore

because im town

Why are you town?

my role pm said so

[osuka]

also my parents always told me i could be whatever i wanted to be and this game i felt like being town

[osuka]

with that vote it's pretty evident that you don't understand the game state

how about we all vote iv and get a red flip d1

[osuka]

kerset flips green

fuck off sau

[osuka]

what makes you think town doesn't have a doctor and a jailkeeper or doctor + roleblocker

[osuka]

this is insane, the argument doesn't hold

why on earth is a mafia rolestopper evidence against a doctor in the setup

[osuka]

They stop a doc from docking, so eliminating the open doc doesn’t really lose towns power, since scum would block the protection anyway.

no dude that's false

this only works against doctor if they decide to rolestop the same person that the doctor protected

but at that point they're also stopping their own fucking kill so what's the point anyway

[osuka]

you're confusing a rolestopper with a roleblocker

[osuka]

does rolestopper stop kills?

I am a mess right now

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

[osuka]

kerset flips green

[osuka]

It’s not evidence against a doc (the evidence there is the oddity of Kersets claim). It is evidence that the role claim should not prevent a lynch because a known!doc is functionally not a PR against a rolestopper. So the question returns to whether Kerset is or is not scummy.

this is false

a rolestopper stops mafia's own kill, are you being intentionally obtuse

[osuka]

unless mafia has a strongman but i dont even know if that role is normal

[osuka]

kerset flips green

why

he's a fucking claimed pr

[osuka]

just vote iv and let's get this over with please

[osuka]

kerset flips green

why

he's a fucking claimed pr

you were townreading him before that
VOTE: osuka

and? that's just further evidence

[osuka]

why on earth are we seriously talking about killing a claimed pr d1

[osuka]

Vote in osuka or kerset im outta here
VOTE: unvote

then be outta here

[osuka]

rolestopper is actually such a stupid role who thought about that shit

it's just a doctor on steroids

i think the name is fucking stupid but the role itself is fine

[osuka]

today we lynch iv

[osuka]

but ill compromise for saudade

[osuka]

also does rolestopper existing have any impact on the earlier ascetic claim alignment wise?

hold on who claimed ascetic

[osuka]

sau, you and i both know you're good at the game but you can't read me worth a shit. please give up

[osuka]

Osuka/saud talk to me about bob.

i dunno man, not much to say about bob. i expected him to be very vocal and very present but he's been neither and i don't know what to make of it

i could make up some bullshit about how town bob is both of the above and therefore he's scum but i'm not sure i believe that

[osuka]

life will be so much easier with kerset gone

have you heard of our lord and savior, the iv wagon

iv flips red this game trust me

[osuka]

also my parents always told me i could be whatever i wanted to be and this game i felt like being town

why?

what do you mean why

[osuka]

They stop a doc from docking, so eliminating the open doc doesn’t really lose towns power, since scum would block the protection anyway.

To be clear, I’m informed at least one mafia member has the role stopping ability. I don’t know if it’s gated or anything beyond that.

ROLESTOPPER DOESNT PREVENT A DOCTOR, unless its a loyal scum rolestopper or something? that sounds OP tho

rolestopper does actually, technically, yes, prevent a doctor

but it also makes the target bulletproof, so that point is completely moot

[osuka]

what makes you think town doesn't have a doctor and a jailkeeper or doctor + roleblocker

in term of setup spec, does a doc and JK combo or doc and roleblock combo make sense? why does it matter?> and how does a rolestop counter doc?

this was my point, a rolestopper does not counter a doc claim

[osuka]

also D A D D Y

[osuka]

and iv slipped why would you cling on to scummate that slipped

i think the real question is why are we not lynching iv if he slipped

[osuka]

also does rolestopper existing have any impact on the earlier ascetic claim alignment wise?

I don't think ascetic especially fits with rolestopper

rolestopper temporarily makes people ascetic

this is wrong, ascetics are vulnerable to kills. rolestopped people arent.

also:

WE
ARENT
KILLING
A
CLAIMED
PR
ON
DAY
1
.

think she means rolestopper makes people bulletproof? because it does

rolestoppers also protect from kills

[osuka]

also my parents always told me i could be whatever i wanted to be and this game i felt like being town

why?

what do you mean why

why do you wanna be town in this shitstorm?

ah yeah good point

[osuka]

They stop a doc from docking, so eliminating the open doc doesn’t really lose towns power, since scum would block the protection anyway.

To be clear, I’m informed at least one mafia member has the role stopping ability. I don’t know if it’s gated or anything beyond that.

ROLESTOPPER DOESNT PREVENT A DOCTOR, unless its a loyal scum rolestopper or something? that sounds OP tho

rolestopper does actually, technically, yes, prevent a doctor

but it also makes the target bulletproof, so that point is completely moot

Wait it’s not moot. If a doc gets rolestopped, do they protect? I read the wiki as saying it stops night actions affecting the target, not night actions made by the target

yes. and can we stop fucking spelling out for scum how their role works? fucking hell

this is all literally in the wiki and clearly town doesn't know how it works either

if a doc gets rolestopped then yes they still protect because they're not roleblocked. why is this even a question

[osuka]

also my parents always told me i could be whatever i wanted to be and this game i felt like being town

why?

what do you mean why

why do you wanna be town in this shitstorm?

ah yeah good point

but its also a serious question. why did you want to be town this game? and do you normally prefer scum? if so, why the difference here?

i meant it as a joke

i do prefer scum but a good game where im town definitely beats a boring game where im scum

[osuka]

i've flipped on taylor im leaning more town taylor tbh

not entirely sure about this one, ts is tricky

[osuka]

sorry mena, what's your case on _me_ again? i was gonna say you can't read me but i'm pretty sure you're scum too so you know, whatever

[osuka]

Like do you think Scum!Menalque tries so openly to take control of the game and push for a player in you that say, flips Town?

yes

[osuka]

On like, a fairly regular basis throughout the day, which I was trying to not bring up because of vague angle-shooty concerns and because of datisi having to yell so many times about not breaching the ongoing games rule but like, nope, people gonna force my hand

this is actually just false and while i cannot discuss other games, i can tell you that i only sat in front of this computer a little over an hour ago and have only been posting since

nice try though

[osuka]

like not only is that a shameless angleshoot, it's also just completely fabricated and if you need more evidence of scum mena then i dont know what to tell you

i'm still convinced iv is scum but i'm very quickly growing to like the idea of getting rid of _this_ fucker on day 1 instead

[osuka]

actually since people dont seem to want to lynch iv, here goes

VOTE: menalque

[osuka]

Andres i can see ur online come here and vote osuka

I’m thinking. Like this game is devolving into two camps almost [Saudade, Teacher, You v. Bob, Osuka, Kerset] and I’m trying to find some way of breaking through the barrier. Something that convinces me that I’m siding correctly. And I can’t get there.

which side would you say iv is on

[osuka]

i feel like i don’t know how to read osuka so he wins

wow i wonder which alignment benefits from deliberately making themselves difficult to get a read on

did you read my posts on the last page just to save me repeating myself unnecessarily? Like yes, I don’t think he’s solving. I think the things you’re saying are very much wolf!indicstive for him! Like I feel like you are at the point where it should be making a lot of sense to you that osuka is scum, and you also think he will help sort s ton of other people if flipped!

v o t e h i m

actually, both alignments get a benefit from deliberately making themselves difficult to read

obvtown gets nightkilled. let's stop pretending you can't play the fucking game yeah

[osuka]

you painfully obviously can't read me and i can tell you're not even trying

not that you need to because you know who the scumteam is anyway

[osuka]

like not only is that a shameless angleshoot, it's also just completely fabricated and if you need more evidence of scum mena then i dont know what to tell you

i'm still convinced iv is scum but i'm very quickly growing to like the idea of getting rid of _this_ fucker on day 1 instead

lmao okay, it’s not and it’s something I spotted on other days but didn’t feel the need to call out immediately

i only post when i have something to say

there's no point in posting fluff because it's a waste of time for all involved. what's your point here? do you think i'm coasting? my postcount probably disagrees

[osuka]

like not only is that a shameless angleshoot

Big caught for the wrong reasons vibe, incidentally

this is a disgusting misrep

[osuka]

but just in case you're being intentionally obtuse and not maliciously misrepresenting what i said, i'll just quote myself in hopes that you'll figure out what it means

it's also just completely fabricated

[osuka]

this sort of play does not come from town and if it does i seriously doubt you're in full possession of your mental faculties

[osuka]

settle down with the insults guys

you've seen nothing my child

[osuka]

actually, both alignments get a benefit from deliberately making themselves difficult to read

obvtown gets nightkilled. let's stop pretending you can't play the fucking game yeah

lol this is just whack. No. There is a significant benefit to making yourself as obvtown as possible as much as possible in any given game, be that as town or as scum. The benefits to being a hard read are literally only as scum or people who have a stupid notion of how to play PR (ps it’s still to obvtown so that you don’t get wagoned and forced to out for nothing)

There is a very concrete benefit to deliberately trying to make yourself hard to read as scum because AS IS HAPPENING IN THIS EXACT GAME it leaves people reluctant to vote you because MaYbE hE’s JuSt HaRd tO rEaD

go read my previous games and you'll see i get mislynched very frequently on day 1

[osuka]

Osuka is basically caught scum who’s now trying to AtE his way out

Like I would have still had some doubt if he wasn’t outright lying about ellitelling and trying to paint me as misrepoing him lmao

you _are_ misrepping me

2530 is scumposting

[osuka]

at least half of those aren't fluff, mena. it's not my fault you struggle with extracting meaningful information from simple sentences

[osuka]

daddy

[osuka]

2530 is a misrep. i didn't vote you for angleshooting, i voted you for quite literally making shit up about my activity here and elsewhere and for trying to use that as leverage in a push against me

now that's a little more explicitly written, do you understand what i'm saying or do you want me to draw it out?

[osuka]

it's an angleshoot because you're not supposed to discuss other games and that's ~almost~ what you did. how is an angleshoot remotely related to the truth of the statement

[osuka]

i'm annoyed because your push is fabricated dogshit and i hate having to argue with someone who is clearly not a complete moron but is pretending to be

[osuka]

i dont need to post my every thought to solve the game, yeah

[osuka]

i don't typically post my whole thought process because 1. i can't really be bothered to type all of that shit and 2. most of the time it truly doesn't matter

[osuka]

like frankly if you want to figure out what i'm thinking then you can either ask me specific questions or figure it out for yourself. it's not my job to dump my brain into a thread because you feel like looking at it

[osuka]

like frankly if you want to figure out what i'm thinking then you can either ask me specific questions or figure it out for yourself. it's not my job to dump my brain into a thread because you feel like looking at it

Only in pretty sure that if not I specifically then people did and you deliberately avoided answering. And like you can say whatever you want to try and justify it, deliberately being cagey and laconic IS scum indicative because the less you put out as scum the easier it is to not get caught in a lie. I know this because I’m decent to reasonable as scum and it’s like an active feature of my scumgsme to be slightly more reserved about my thought process to be able to make posthoc adjustments later on

please point out an instance of me avoiding a question

[osuka]

daddy

[osuka]

like frankly if you want to figure out what i'm thinking then you can either ask me specific questions or figure it out for yourself. it's not my job to dump my brain into a thread because you feel like looking at it

okay, can you give me three names right now that gth you'd call a solve, and a very small reason they're tied together? like, it can be super bare bones but there is a lot of posting going on right now.

show me like, something here that shows you've put a little thought into it beyond uh. outting reads and then not doing too much with them please?

i can't pretend to have a good solve right now because that's really hard to do d1, but i would say mena and iv being in the scumteam is a very reasonable scenario. they've mostly ignored each other so far and they're both really scummy. iv even slipped a while back

i don't think kerset is scum because that wagon has had way too much momentum for way too long and _still_ after a pr claim, which i'm honestly unsure how anyone can believe is a town-motivated wagon

i think you're town as well and i would say the third scum is likely in {bob, math, teacher} but to be clear i'm very iffy on those last 3 reads