Micro 966 - DDD: DD? [game over!]

[Alisae]

VOTE: WindowsXP
Tbh you probably should be the flip based off of how outdated your operating system is.

[Alisae]

So its a paladin vs a mage?
ya fuck paladins mages are better

[Alisae]

Please refrain from using that word, Dongempire.

?????

[Alisae]

why do u care

[Alisae]

does it offend you?

[Alisae]

Like you decided to be the word police, so I'm questioning why you decided to be the word police.
Am I not allowed to do that?

[Alisae]

Have you ever heard the good word of Kelemvor?

nope

[Alisae]

does it offend you?

Hey, if it offends him, im fine using mob instigated beating. I dont need a defense.
Thank you for making me realize the wrong of my ways sire.

its not about defending you

[Alisae]

I suggest we use the term Uninstall. But perhaps I am just biased.

You've got a lot of nerve just coming into the game making jokes instead of contributing anything. I'd give you a finger of suspicion, but that would make typing hard so I'm going to have to go with a vote instead. VOTE: Windows XP

Trying to case people in RVS? Scummy.

is this a joke

[Alisae]

Being scum puts us in an argumentative state. I'm going to smite the holiness out of you, Paladin.

VOTE: Paladin

why are you voting paladin here?

[Alisae]

VOTE: grumpy cat

ur too dangerous for ur own good

why?

[Alisae]

VOTE: grumpy cat

ur too dangerous for ur own good

why?

lockscummed me

oh so its nothing legitmate?
ok

[Alisae]

Hey I'm on break.
I get scumpings from Grumpy Cat,
Longpost will come after I am home.

I like this post but atm I don't feel like flopz, hopkrik, and grumpy cat are scum together and thats all i got from pages 3-4

[Alisae]

also ive been toying with the idea of NLing until D3 while i was working.

Cons: we lose a ML
Pros: getting within 2 scum is easier

Overall the mechanic makes a 2 scum lylo much more dangerous for scum since by then one scum has been poed minimum.
Would like to hear other's thoughts on this.

I feel like the game is probably better off being played like mountainous tbh. If anything, the way I was going to go into this game was to try to come up with as many logical pairings as I could and then try to figure out what works and what doesn't from there.

[Alisae]

Hopkirk why did you shade Flopz?

[Alisae]

I think Hopkirk shading Flopz isn't something that he would go out of his way to do if they were partners.
I don't think Hopkirk and Grumpy Cat's interactions on page 3-4 about Flopz is theater
And Grumpy Cat's vote on Flopz feels weird to me tbh. Grumpy Cat goes to apply pressure on that slot but Hopkirk is trying to pressure Windows atm.


Tho in writing this, this pops up in my mind

Hopkirk why did you shade Flopz?

Thinking about this more its actually really weird. Its a conflict of interest but I don't know if its alignment indicative. Why shade a slot you're not trying to pressure? And wouldn't something like that be better to keep to yourself when the slot hasn't posted yet and you don't have information to go off of?

Like it seems weird but what interest me is you shading Flopz but not wanting to put pressure onto them, but Grumpy Cat decides to put pressure on it.

Also in general, I feel like Grumpy Cat's actions here seem like they're indicative of reacting to the events happening around him and not really trying to put anything together himself? He jumps on the Flopz wagon to then be swayed by Hopkirk to join the Windows wagon and it just seems weird to me

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Flopz was never a serious vote

ok so why vote Flopz in the first place?
I'm confused

[Alisae]

Was he scum in that game, Hop? That's some useful meta, thanks.

Idk. I don't really want to reread the game because he was so toxic in it that I really don't want to reread it (and the mod didn't update the first post with roles or anything smh).

Oh damn, I wouldn't be opposed to policy launching him then it becomes a serious issue? We should put some pressure on him to make sure he behaves.

VOTE: Flopz

how am i supposed to interpret this as a joke?

[Alisae]

how am i supposed to know it was a joke?

[Alisae]

I think Hopkirk shading Flopz isn't something that he would go out of his way to do if they were partners.

Do you think there's any value in this statement at all @Grumpy Cat

[Alisae]

New ping: Alisae getting oddly defensive when telling em it was a joke.
Why didn't you vote me if I felt off to you, Ali?

I'd figured that expressing my concerns and letting you address them would put more light on the situation and help me sort you

[Alisae]

I think Hopkirk shading Flopz isn't something that he would go out of his way to do if they were partners.

Do you think there's any value in this statement at all @Grumpy Cat

Not at all. I could totally see them as partners still. Or better said, nothing we've done has made them more or less likely to be partners.

ok but why would a scum!hopkirk go out of his way to shade his partner Flopz? Isn't it just completely unneeded to make a post like that?

[Alisae]

How is talking about his meta shade if Flopz hasn't even posted yet? That's not gonna convince anyone to launch him more when the guy has 0 posts

its bringing attention to his partner.

[Alisae]

How is talking about his meta shade if Flopz hasn't even posted yet? That's not gonna convince anyone to launch him more when the guy has 0 posts

its bringing attention to his partner.

That's maybe fair, it puts a little more pressure on Flopz for when he makes his entrance. Still, I kinda don't want to break it to you because it's funny, but I probably should for the sake of playing this game of mafia. All of our shade on Flopz is kidding around, and the "toxic" stories are just made up

ooooh ok thank you for saying so, I probably would have never have known if you didn't say anything

[Alisae]

ye
you can use the img tags to post the widepeepohappy

[Alisae]

Come play mafia with me We play mafia Come play mafia with me We play mafia Do the PepeD

[Alisae]

wait no i fucked up the copypasta noooooooo
i don't like it anyways i'll change it later

[Alisae]

icon y u spam??????

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

it's pretty Obvious where i'm voting now, right?

VOTE: Dong you think you can policy lynch me?

why are you RVSing when you have a read you want to pressure?

[Alisae]

To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

I don’t mind this take

[Alisae]

so windows

your thoughts are literally:

-ask ico to give thoughts on 2 slots
-ico says no
->ico clearly has scum motivation for this

how?

Ok so why do you not want to give your thoughts on 2 slots?

[Alisae]

Also, icos behaviour is so far in line with his towngame. I dont doubt it

what stands out to you?

[Alisae]

alisae what's your thoughts on paladin?

he’s probably going to be annoying

[Alisae]

I'm truly not seeing much in that 1v1 you called out. You can think it's scummy, and that someone is trying to pocket someone else. I don't see it. That should be sufficient answer.

I'm absolutely trying to engage with you in good faith, if it appears like i'm not, that's probably because just do'nt know each other yet.

Icon from what I’m seeing, I think you are acting completely unreasonable and WindowsXP is the reasonable one here.

[Alisae]

why are you RVSing when you have a read you want to pressure?

because i want to

And I want to vote you
So I’m going to go do that
VOTE: Icon

[Alisae]

so windows

your thoughts are literally:

-ask ico to give thoughts on 2 slots
-ico says no
->ico clearly has scum motivation for this

how?

Ok so why do you not want to give your thoughts on 2 slots?

i *have* given my thoughts on what he asked

can you quote it? I might have missed it

[Alisae]

I’m going to rephrase my question, because you didn’t really answer my question.
Ok so when you wrote post 220, why did you not want to give your thoughts on the 2 slots that were mentioned? Because prior to that, you did not do that (hence why windows had to ask) unless I missed something before 220?

[Alisae]

Ok by why not just answer the question

[Alisae]

Ok but you didn’t you could have answered it when he asked it but instead he voted you and you were like “WHAT SCUM MOTIVATION????” And you made such a big deal compared to what it actually is.

Like when windows says
Windows: So what do you think of these 2 slots
And you respond with
Icon: I don’t want to tell you what I think about these 2 slots

How do you expect him to not want to call you out for that?

[Alisae]

How was he even rude in the first place? I don’t see it.

[Alisae]

He’s attacking your play dude
Idunno I don’t see it

[Alisae]

I think when he asked if you were an ego player instead of flat out calling you an ego player isn’t rude and I think his comment about your catchup maybe could be interpreted as rude but like he’s talking about your play its fine and honestly, I agree with it completely. Your catch up doesn’t really add anything to the game. I don’t know how you’re supposed to sugarcoat that or why you would even sugarcoat that in a game of mafia.

[Alisae]

He’s attacking your play dude
Idunno I don’t see it

ali

you have first hand experience at attacking me for my play
you know how town!me responds to that

don't act surprised now

ok first, I haven’t gotten myself invested in a game of mafia in quite a bit, so I honestly didn’t remember right away aside from the fact that you really do not like being flamed
Secondly, even if I did remember that right away, I still don’t think you’re acting reasonable here.

[Alisae]

Like from what I am reading, I feel like Windows is being completely reasonable here.

[Alisae]

I had no idea I hammered Icon when I voted him I thought he had 3 votes at the time :/
Sorry

[Alisae]

Because it was an rvs vote

I think its more productive to focus on the hammerer instead of the bystanders.
Poor ico, now we can never get this game to 300 pages
VOTE: alisae

Why do you want to focus on me?

[Alisae]

Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

dude it was an accident wtf?

[Alisae]

Because it was an rvs vote

Yh, that's why I'm asking why you didn't stop the vote (and not why you started the vote, my vote on Ico was also RVS) after you said Ico was town in your eyes

Wouldn't it make sense to put your vote elsewhere?

Not really, but i understand where you are coming from. Hammer happened while i was asleep. At that time i didnt have any better spots to vote, so i wanted to save it for when i had an idea. I didnt think an ico lynch would happen, or if it did i'd be there to review the reasons instead of a lolhammer. Hindsight is something i didnt have.

How does unvoting someone you placed an RVS vote on because you townread them not make any sense? You don’t even HAVE to vote someone else, you just unvote now that you have a read.

Like this feels very strange because by the time you came in and said that you thought icon was town, we were out of RVS, so shouldn’t you be trying to find scum? What were your other reads at the time when you said Icon was town?

[Alisae]

I had no idea I hammered Icon when I voted him I thought he had 3 votes at the time :/
Sorry

What, why didn't you announce L-1 then?

ok let me rephrase cause I meant to say that I thought I would be the third vote atm. I didn’t know dogempire or flops was still voting icon and I thought it would be L-2

[Alisae]

Like the only people who I thought voted icon at the time were Windows and Ydrasse

[Alisae]

Town leaves RVS votes on people they think they're town all the time. That isn't "very strange" by any stretch. The intent of the vote was RVS, so it's not something that's gonna be conscious at the back of town!Dogem's mind to remove.

Why would you leave your vote on someone you townread?

[Alisae]

What is required to actively make you want to move your vote elsewhere from RVS?

[Alisae]

And how does forming a townread on the person you are voting not qualify for what you’re saying

[Alisae]

Yes I would move my vote to Not Voting

[Alisae]

I think its strange and the explanation he’s given for it is strange.
I also think his primary focus is not scumhunting given at the start of this day, he votes me for basically being a liability and is trying to justify mislynching me with EVs and saying I’m a liability.

Why are you defending leaving an RVS vote on someone you townread? You may see it as common but at the end of the day, it is still bad play.

[Alisae]

Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

dude it was an accident wtf?

Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?

I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.

Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.

[Alisae]

I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?

I didn’t check VCs because there weren’t any VCs at the time

[Alisae]

I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?

You seem the most sus person on that wagon because you enabled that wagon to reach 5 votes when you could have easily made sure that that didn’t happen by unvoting.

And how am I not supposed to see your slot and think that what you’re doing is strange? Not only did you enable that wagon to reach 5 votes, but you’re also coming into the day phase trying to label me as a liability and saying why its better to mislynch then it is to lynch scum. Like this is really strange because it feels like you’re not trying to find scum. Do you have any other suspects or am I your only suspect?

I voted Icon because I scumread him and he was acting weird in regards to Windows and I liked Windows the most between their discussion with Icon. Thats why I voted Icon and I didn’t realize I hammered until I woke up and saw that I hammered. I’m sorry. I fucked up.

[Alisae]

Btw what do we think of the Hopkirk kill?

[Alisae]

Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

dude it was an accident wtf?

Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?

I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.

Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.

Except that allows scum!you to get away easily with mishammering a town. Why do you want me to risk that over explaining yourself and clearing your name?

because
A. I’ve been trying to find scum all game
B. If you flip me today and I flip town, you bring the game into F5 which is more favorable for scum because no one has that much info to go off of considering how quickly D1 ended. You need to spend this day trying to find scum and get more information to work off of. If you don’t do that and lynch me because you think I’m a liability, then it doesn’t matter if you lynch scum tomorrow, how are you going to do that in F5 when its significantly harder to due to the lack of information.

[Alisae]

I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?

I didn’t check VCs because there weren’t any VCs at the time

Checked, and you're right. Last vc was 4 pages ago. I still dont see why you dont check previous vcs before voting someone.

Because in my mind I thought only Windows and Ydrasse were voting them and that I was applying pressure onto Icon. Its the same reason why those types of hammers happen in the first place.

[Alisae]

He didn't really have any confident scumreads. I think he just died because he was solving and scary.

What do you make of his Paladin vote?

[Alisae]

This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.

The thing is you CAN lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.

[Alisae]

I think your slot will never be completely townread or scumread because of the hammer. I dont know your gameplay, you may be a better player than me. Your slot however is tainted, and im worried scum!you will get away with doing this, like i said, because of devils advocates, and town!yous reads will be taken with a grain of salt always. Since its inherently an unreadable action and with no other targets, i thought it was a good compromise to let you go today so we could focus on other people without fear.

If you’re scum then you’ll probably continue to push this because its actually very easy to do so and you’ll mislynch and create a F5 where you’ll probably win. This worries me a lot because by the time F5 is created, its favored for scum since D1 was cut short and D2 was spent flipping the hammerer who was innocent all along.

If you’re town I need to convince you why you need to make an effort to scumhunt instead of voting me due to the fact you think I’m a liability. I get you may think that my slot is unreadable because of that hammer, and I think if you are town you’re approaching it from the wrong angle. If you think an action is unreadable, you should not read into it or read into it once you have more evidence/information.

Right now, what we need is more information and more investigation.
Do you have any other suspects?
Also what do you think of the hopkirk kill?

[Alisae]

This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.

The thing is you CAN lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.

You're obvtown?
Again, im not trying to lynch you instantly. Why do you think pressure on you would prevent discourse? I think thats the most valuable avenue right now, honestly. As we play, we'll have information.

prior to the lolhammer I would see myself as obvtown, ya. Why wouldn’t I?

[Alisae]

I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.

Why?

[Alisae]

I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent.

I mean its pretty easy to reach this conclusion when you start the day pushing me as a liability and suggest that mislynching is +EV. Why would I not tell you to back off if thats what I think you're doing?
(Also I just don't react well to being voted/suspected in general but thats a me thing as both alignments and there's no way for you to know that)

[Alisae]

After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.

why do you think it sucks

[Alisae]

Windows Hopkirk was shot. What do you think of this?

[Alisae]

Grumpy Cat why are you voting Windows?

[Alisae]

Ydrasse what are your thoughts atm?

[Alisae]

As for the hopkirk thing, I nearly never check any posts before posting my daystart thoughts.

I would like some meta to verify this

[Alisae]

i haven't forgotten that i was gonna post here but i got caught up doing other things so expect something from me tomorrow where i have the will to sit down and try to process stuff

can you at least post the cliff notes version?

[Alisae]

As for the hopkirk thing, I nearly never check any posts before posting my daystart thoughts.

I would like some meta to verify this

Nice try

Its really strange to believe. I'm having a hard time trying to read into this a bit because I really want to but I know I shouldn't, but having some meta to verify this would be VERY nice

[Alisae]

Either you believe me or you don't. It is my meta and I stand by it. I check my pms, see if im dead, then post in thread wrt thoughts about hammer especially if i wasnt around for it.
Stop derailing the thread with this pointless inquiry.

the flip is in the pm

[Alisae]

Alisae you have any analysis on slots that aren't mine? Especially considerint you lolhammered yourself

Ydrasse worries me right now. If you think about it, I don't really know what they've actually done in this game.
I'm worried that Paladin might have killed Hopkirk and I'm also getting worried that Paladin hasn't really done anything at all.
I think Dogempire is honestly fine, I feel better about them now that they weren't just trying to get me killed for being a liability.
I think Flopz's vote on you is very reasonable and considering I feel unsure about a lot of slots this and dogempire are the closest things I would call townreads atm.

I'm not sure if its Grumpy Cat because I think their push on you is weird, it feels like such a weird thing for you to fake that entrance when no one knows who you are and I'm not sure I like him pushing it. Like I don't see why you would fake that on an alt and doubledown on meta when no one knows who you are.
However on the other side of the coin, I'm not sure what I should think of you not announcing your vote would put Icon at L-2 when you were paying attention.
Though its also like you two are playing the game and at least are trying to scumhunt.

So I really feel like it might be Ydrasse and Paladin unless those 2 just start contributing something thats meaningful because Dogempire and Flopz seem fine, I like you, and Grumpy Cat feels like they're trying to play the game.

{Dogempire, Flopz}
{Windows}
{Grumpy Cat}
{Ydrasse, Paladin}

[Alisae]

Either way I think all 3 scum should be in {Grumpy Cat, Ydrasse, Paladin}

[Alisae]

Alright Koba post games now plz so we can verify you don’t read night kills

[Alisae]

I don’t get why you feel the need to have an alt when no one knows who the fuck you are but its whatever

[Alisae]

Meh

[Alisae]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Alisae]

What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good.

What do u not like about it because this was what I thought of Icon’s catch up at the time

[Alisae]

You know what I'm actually really annoyed at this point. Im revealing what I want as a strategy. I want to get hanged today. I want a guaranteed ML. In exchange, you guys vote who I choose. Theres a 2/5 chance of hitting right tomorrow into a full win. Its easier for scum to obfuscate when they get elimed earlier. I am a firm believer of scum teams being much more obvious over time.
Finding 1 scum out of 6 should not be difficult.

As scum i would have done 0 analysis/interacting today and just pushed ppl to get me to L-1 so i can self hammer for 5 way and no real way to determine whoever my partner may be and go back to step 1.

Right now I'm looking at Paladin/Flopz/Dong as my scumpool. It's tentative for now but I can explain later.

Let’s be real here, if this actually happens no one is going to give a fuck about what you want.
No need to flex your tiny ego because you just might not be as good as you think you are

[Alisae]

UNVOTE: Windows

Dogem + Paladin probably.

Dogem, your earlier post has broken post links. You probably copied it over the quoted version from the scum PT, and you just confirmed you don't use notes PTs. I don't feel good about this but a scumslip is a scumslip.

Two things are wrong with this
A. It goes to post 0 which doesn’t normally happen if you just use [post] code
B. Even if he did copy it from one PT to another, there are people who like to have a separate PT to keep track of their thoughts. Occasionally I do this, Datisi does this, Bugspray does this.

[Alisae]

alisae whats your solve oh great player who thinks they know better?
You scum tryna prevent a DD 1 scum snipe or what?

I still think is Ydrasse and Paladin

[Alisae]

alisae whats your solve oh great player who thinks they know better?
You scum tryna prevent a DD 1 scum snipe or what?

I don’t know why you think its better to selfhammer on D2 as scum and let the game go to F3, but I disagree with it because F5 will always be easier to win then F3

[Alisae]

The windows self-vote sucks

[Alisae]

Ooooooh
A. Still stands. Normally it just says you can’t access this topic if he wrote it down in a scum pt then transferred it over so I’m not really convinced

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

mafblack btw

[Alisae]

12

[Alisae]

im confused and thought it was a bug but then i realized that other stuff is going on and i no longer care

[Alisae]

not even a year old acc its like less then 9 months

[Alisae]

"Self vote is always scummy" - ok then vote me kid. "Always gamethrowing" in case you haven't noticed there's a special mechanic on d3 and I want to utilize it. But how strange to have this conflicting statement in the same sentence.

the special mechanic sucks

[Alisae]

I’m probably voting you for the self-vote
It sucks and its weird and it throws my previous read out the window because it doesn’t make sense for town to sac themselves off for no reason.
How can you be so confident that you’re being pushed by scum (last I checked, your scumreads were everyone who was pushing you) when we have Ydrasse, which we all need a better read on and Paladin who isn’t posting content.

Like who is most likely to be town out of the people pushing you? There has to be at least 1 townie pushing you.

[Alisae]

Ydrasse why do you think Windows is town?

[Alisae]

so yeah. basically they're a mess this game but it's leaning more into their town meta barring a few things, and those few things i want to actually speak to windows about.

before this post what concerns did you have about windows that you actively tried to persue? I don't remember anything off the top of my head so my concern atm is that you're only being proactive about talking to windows because you're being asked about Windows if that makes any sense.

[Alisae]

alright dude

[Alisae]

I see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

Either you are extremely childish or you are scum trying to deflect from taking more concise stances.

[Alisae]

????

[Alisae]

tbh I really couldn't care what you identify yourself as

[Alisae]

Alright, someone let me know when or if we're flipping this slot.
I'm putting them on mute cause I don't really see any point to interact with them anymore and its kinda pointless at this point.

[Alisae]

Dongempire what do you think of Ydrasse?

[Alisae]

I really hope you enjoy screaming into the void

[Alisae]

Dongempire don't even bother dude, he didn't answer my question about who he thought was town pushing him, and at this point he's just looking to blame whoever is pushing him.
I don't see any rational reason to talk to him.

[Alisae]

I love it when whenever someone that I muted posts it says "SHUT THE FUCK UP FURRY" its fucking hilarious

[Alisae]

What's your current take on the gamestate?

[Alisae]

Reads is a good thing to talk about ig

[Alisae]

VOTE: Windows

[Alisae]

Ydrasse if you’re getting upset interacting with Windows, its most likely because they’re just scum and its as simple as that.
Like its just pointless to interact with them since their reads and stances are just agenda based at this point.

[Alisae]

@Grumpy Cat, Flopz, and Dongempire

The way I read the gamestate right now, I feel like there’s 1 scum in {Ydrasse, Windows} because I don’t think Ydrasse responds to the way that she did to windows on pg 28 if they’re partners together.

I think Ydrasse is individually scummy. She has scummy pop ins and generally seems like scum who is just sitting on her hands doing nothing because she doesn’t feel obligated to do anything. I just don’t think its with Windows because her recent posting seems really weird to be partnered with Windows. It either seems like she’s setting up to vote Windows or she seems genuinely surprised at Window’s latest posting. Either way it just doesn’t seem like its aligned with Windows.

Like I’m super sure that 1 of those 2 slots is scum, what do you guys think?

[Alisae]

Ali, gc, what do you think of saving windows for tomorrow and lynching in ydrasse/paladin and maybe flopz today?

I’m willing to lynch in Ydrasse/Paladin sure.

[Alisae]

@Grumpy Cat, Flopz, and Dongempire

The way I read the gamestate right now, I feel like there’s 1 scum in {Ydrasse, Windows} because I don’t think Ydrasse responds to the way that she did to windows on pg 28 if they’re partners together.

I think Ydrasse is individually scummy. She has scummy pop ins and generally seems like scum who is just sitting on her hands doing nothing because she doesn’t feel obligated to do anything. I just don’t think its with Windows because her recent posting seems really weird to be partnered with Windows. It either seems like she’s setting up to vote Windows or she seems genuinely surprised at Window’s latest posting. Either way it just doesn’t seem like its aligned with Windows.

Like I’m super sure that 1 of those 2 slots is scum, what do you guys think?

Windows is scum, i thought we were past that. But i dont want to clear ydrasse yet, as this could be theatre. My main reason to think that is because windows called anyone that pushed its wagon every insult under the sun, but went surprisingky soft on ydrasse. I dont know if theres daytalk, there probably is, but even if there isnt they couldve been improvising. I think the fact that ydrasse pointed out windows' inconsistencies and windows is vehemently pushing to be lynched makes me suspect a windows/ydr team and they're setting up towncred later for ydrasse.

Hmm... I need to think about this some more because you present an interesting angle that I didn’t think of and I just woke up and need to make some food.

[Alisae]

You wait 3 minutes before chastising me for not replying. I dont check the thread every 5 minutes, and i dont have to. To add to that, i dont have to respond to any of your posts. I've said enough about you.

Dude seeing the amount of posts he puts out reminds me of what I used to be like on my first year on site holy that must have been annoying why do people like me.

[Alisae]

you dont think im scum you just have huwt feewings and don't want me to be town to feel vawidated

I thought you'd be one of those right wing types from the way you talked, and this is just more proof. Go outside bro

guess youve never seen my posts in uspol lol

Whats uspol?

us politics. Its the worst part of the site tbh,

[Alisae]

Even on mobile I still can’t help myself but quote one of their posts

[Alisae]

Ydrasse is being replaced.

:/

[Alisae]

Is it just me or does paladin/windows make too much sense?

[Alisae]

@Grumpy Cat, Flopz, and Dongempire

The way I read the gamestate right now, I feel like there’s 1 scum in {Ydrasse, Windows} because I don’t think Ydrasse responds to the way that she did to windows on pg 28 if they’re partners together.

I think Ydrasse is individually scummy. She has scummy pop ins and generally seems like scum who is just sitting on her hands doing nothing because she doesn’t feel obligated to do anything. I just don’t think its with Windows because her recent posting seems really weird to be partnered with Windows. It either seems like she’s setting up to vote Windows or she seems genuinely surprised at Window’s latest posting. Either way it just doesn’t seem like its aligned with Windows.

Like I’m super sure that 1 of those 2 slots is scum, what do you guys think?

Windows is scum, i thought we were past that. But i dont want to clear ydrasse yet, as this could be theatre. My main reason to think that is because windows called anyone that pushed its wagon every insult under the sun, but went surprisingky soft on ydrasse. I dont know if theres daytalk, there probably is, but even if there isnt they couldve been improvising. I think the fact that ydrasse pointed out windows' inconsistencies and windows is vehemently pushing to be lynched makes me suspect a windows/ydr team and they're setting up towncred later for ydrasse.

Grumpy what do you think about what these 2 posts are talking about?

[Alisae]

why do you think they're less optimal to flip?

[Alisae]

oh speaking about Paladin he recent posts, he made some more. What do you think of isolations 16 18 19 and 20

[Alisae]

why do you think they're less optimal to flip?

Based off that reasoning alone, it makes them less optimal because less possible partners so less chance of being scum. This is completely ignoring individual scuminess/towniness obviously.

How does it make them

more

optimal to flip?

I'm kinda stoned right now
a part of me wants to say that this is fair but another part of me is also questioning why we as a village should try to bring both of them into lylo give that

[Alisae]

why do you think they're less optimal to flip?

Based off that reasoning alone, it makes them less optimal because less possible partners so less chance of being scum. This is completely ignoring individual scuminess/towniness obviously.

How does it make them

more

optimal to flip?

I'm kinda stoned right now
a part of me wants to say that this is fair but another part of me is also questioning why we as a village should try to bring both of them into lylo give that

Them not being SvS doesn't make them more likely TvS than TvT if we're just talking about their interaction, or am I missing something?

If anything I'm likely just missing something. You sort one to flip the other?

[Alisae]

GC if you're not going to fucking interact with me and talk to me just fucking vote me. I'm getting fed up with pretty much all of you for different reasons. Except ydrasse who I feel bad they had a scum PM but they were not annoying gameplay wise.

lol I'm getting around to you, I'm not ignoring you. Relax.

Is he freaking out because no one wants to talk to him? LMAO dude

[Alisae]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I want to flip Paladin today. I think Wandow's WIM is town-indicative, especially since as scum they probably just want to self-hammer when given the opportunity given all the vocal players are scumreading them. This feels like a lot of effort for little reward if they're scum. Yes, there's the "storing Wandows-scum to lunch tomorrow" thing, but I never really think that was going to take off. Wandows-scum can just do the minimum effort to ensure they're not SO obvscum, that they're not stored for tomorrow, but lunched today instead, but they're going above and beyond. Maybe they're some kind of freak and scum!Windows is actually efforting in the hopes they can completely turn the opinion on their slot around, and not be lunched today OR tomorrow, but there's like no indication that was going to happen, even after pages and pages of effort, soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm thinking Windows is town3r">R????"$$£

what would you do if you were in his position and you were trying to win

[Alisae]

why does scum want to lynch their partner? It seems like you're giving up unnecessary ground and putting a lot of pressure on the solo scum to win the game by himself. Its easier for scum to just win at F5

[Alisae]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

If you're self hammer goes wrong, and you are playing to win, what do you do?

[Alisae]

why does scum want to lynch their partner? It seems like you're giving up unnecessary ground and putting a lot of pressure on the solo scum to win the game by himself. Its easier for scum to just win at F5

Flopz, you, Dogem, I have all expressed Wandows as being our top scumread. Even if 1 of us is scum, that's 3 town who want their head. It's not optimal or easy for them to win in F5 in this situation. They should want to peace out today.

ofc its possible. Shoot Dogem and try to get a mislynch on me

[Alisae]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

If you're self hammer goes wrong, and you are playing to win, what do you do?

I don't think they tried to self-hammer. I unvoted literally the same page and someone then quoted my unvote. I buy their explanation that they knew they were on L-2 and it was a stupid reaction test or whatever. I've seen similar kind of behavior from them in another game.

Ok so what do you think about their interactions with Icon then

[Alisae]

why does scum want to lynch their partner? It seems like you're giving up unnecessary ground and putting a lot of pressure on the solo scum to win the game by himself. Its easier for scum to just win at F5

Flopz, you, Dogem, I have all expressed Wandows as being our top scumread. Even if 1 of us is scum, that's 3 town who want their head. It's not optimal or easy for them to win in F5 in this situation. They should want to peace out today.

ofc its possible. Shoot Dogem and try to get a mislynch on me

Hard though. Lot of effort to put yourself in a situation which is still unfavorable overall rather than just take the L today.

Since, if Flopz is scum. Dogem gets nightkilled. That's me who's expressed a townread on you, and a scumread on Wandows. That's still a pretty bad situation to be in for LyLo.

Not if he can convince you to townread him and scumread me. You just need 1 town to vote another town and thats it.

[Alisae]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

If you're self hammer goes wrong, and you are playing to win, what do you do?

I don't think they tried to self-hammer. I unvoted literally the same page and someone then quoted my unvote. I buy their explanation that they knew they were on L-2 and it was a stupid reaction test or whatever. I've seen similar kind of behavior from them in another game.

Ok so what do you think about their interactions with Icon then

The way they admitted they lied about the way they pushed Ico start of D2 felt really scummy. The push itself is NAI though, since they fake confidence and push people for non-reasons to gauge reactions as town. I am somewhat familiar with Koba...

do you think that confidence is impossible for him to fake?

[Alisae]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

If you're self hammer goes wrong, and you are playing to win, what do you do?

I don't think they tried to self-hammer. I unvoted literally the same page and someone then quoted my unvote. I buy their explanation that they knew they were on L-2 and it was a stupid reaction test or whatever. I've seen similar kind of behavior from them in another game.

Ok so what do you think about their interactions with Icon then

The way they admitted they lied about the way they pushed Ico start of D2 felt really scummy. The push itself is NAI though, since they fake confidence and push people for non-reasons to gauge reactions as town. I am somewhat familiar with Koba...

do you think that confidence is impossible for him to fake?

No, but it means the push on Ico isn't scum-indicative, it's NAI.

ah okay I get it now

[Alisae]

Anything you want to ask me?

[Alisae]

bc im tired of this shit.
you didnt even address the contradictions i pointed out that alisae was townleaning me daystart for d2 and cant explain their progression properly.

or that they were sayting ydrasse is scummier but voted me and then progressed into saying i was scum somehow with ydrasse without explaining why they arrived at the former conclusion, if they're supposedly ignoring my posts.


e is clearly full of shit and no one wants to see it.

Right, okay. I think eir progression on disliking you rested on the the self-vote they made, but actually:


Do

you

think their Ico push is scummy, Ali? You townleaned windows start of day despite it.

Start of day I townread it because I didn't really see anything that was really wrong with the slot. The self-vote sucks and I looked back at it again and it's not impossible for that push to have been made by scum.

[Alisae]

I'm still not going to interact with you.
You're not worth my time

[Alisae]

I see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

Either you are extremely childish or you are scum trying to deflect from taking more concise stances.

interesting then whats this?

This was a response to you ignoring my question here

I’m probably voting you for the self-vote
It sucks and its weird and it throws my previous read out the window because it doesn’t make sense for town to sac themselves off for no reason.
How can you be so confident that you’re being pushed by scum (last I checked, your scumreads were everyone who was pushing you) when we have Ydrasse, which we all need a better read on and Paladin who isn’t posting content.

Like who is most likely to be town out of the people pushing you? There has to be at least 1 townie pushing you.

I'll also address this

Stop misgendering me thx.

I don't know if this was directed towards me, but me using he isn't intentional and I'm just bad with pronouns. I think I called bugspray he a bunch of times unintentionally in a game. I thought I'd just clear that up.

Aside from that, you're not worth my time. I'm not going to convince you you're scum and you're not going to convince me that I'm scum.

[Alisae]

dude, you're the one thats toxic.
You legit just made someone replace out.

[Alisae]

I thought the replacement rules was just you can't threaten others to replace out and to just replace out by pming the mod.
I believe talking about repalcements is just fine

[Alisae]

I'll double check and ask someone

[Alisae]

and look alisae if you can explain things and you are able to strike down the things I've said abt u or other slots and NAI I am not going to be a stubborn ass. I actually do listen. I am just very much a player who pushes people to do work and put in the effort mainly when they start to attack me. obviously I can't focus on everyone at the same time so I usually only do this with people I have at least a scumlean on.

Look.
I'm high right now. I want to smoke some weed and enjoy myself.
When I sober up later, I'll think about giving you a chance. I've just had some REALLY bad experiences with individuals who were scum where I had to resort to ignoring them because not only were they toxic, but those instances brought out probably the worst in me. I had a game actually very recently like this. There was even a previous time where it got even more toxic and I honestly still haven't recovered from that even thought that was a year ago (it was mostly my fault as well)

Like I started to ignore you because you just did not seem cooperative at all. Even before the self-vote I asked you to post some meta, you told me to just do my own research. When you voted yourself and said "KILL THESE PEOPLE AFTER I DIE" is just very self-centric and just comes across like you just don't understand how the game fundamentally works. Even when I had a question for you you just didn't answer it and just started accusing me of framing Ydrasse as your partner.

But when I sober up, I'll think about giving you a chance (and probably will if I'm in a good mood) because I don't think I given you a fair chance and thinking about it now you probably deserve one but I'll think about it later. I just wanna enjoy myself right now

[Alisae]

it might be possible i missed that

[Alisae]

Just woke up if I don’t get roped into playing among us or something later I’ll play

[Alisae]

what the fuck actually happened

[Alisae]

why do you think its a slip

[Alisae]

the only plausible reason they have here to make a post like that would be if they were quoting a post and intending to post it in scumchat but ended up messing it up.

unless you have a better explaination why they referred to you when you weren't part of the conversation?

Because they wanted to show me something. It's the same reason why RC sends me Among Us memes even if he doesn't know if I can respond in that exact moment. It's not alignment indicative.

[Alisae]

Why do I need to be present in the conversation for them to want to show me something? That's not even how life works dude.

[Alisae]

Why do I need to be present in the conversation for them to want to show me something? That's not even how life works dude.

because its literally the type of shit where the convo in scumchat goes:

"hey did i miss anything"

dong: 900

im still waiting on dong to explain it himself

I honestly just don't see how you can reach this conclusion because I wasn't present in the conversation. People literally do that all of time outside of the game. You don't need to be present when you want a certain individual to see something.

you make 0 logical sense. who the fuck quotes a post thats recent, then is like "this is what you missed out on" . that post was TWO posts ago at the point of 900. your theory is dumb as rocks and you're just trying to salvage what is a genuine scumslip. also i dont need YOU to explain his actions. dong should be explaining it themselves.

I'm not explaining it for you, I'm trying to question how you got from "Dong is trying to show Ali something" to "Dong meant to post that in the scum PT." Like, are you just not allowed to refer to people who aren't participating in the conversation? That doesn't make sense.

[Alisae]

Why does faking a townslip to gain towncred make me scum Flopz? Please ellaborate.

Also on the topic of the post itself, why would town need to fake a townslip period? Like, why wouldn't they just be town because they're town? Like why would a townie have to fake a townslip to gain towncred? That in of itself just doesn't make logical sense.

[Alisae]

if the post wasn't on literally the previous page (i.e. the page that it currently was at) your argument might hold some water but 900 was quoting 898. if you're town then dong is just conf scum to you for trying to fake a scumslip with you and we can just yeet him on D3 for insta win and you don't have to worry abt it

989 was posted at XX:00 and 900 was posted at XX:01

[Alisae]

I dont get 925. Its just my posts pushing alisae. Why would scum want to bus their partner while neither is suspected and at the start of day?

I think Window's actions are magicial in the sense that he wants to talk himself into reads and then he starts confbiasing himself by trying to use anything he can find to reinforce what he wants to believe. Its really chaotic and what I used to do when I was very new to the game.

[Alisae]

I dont get 925. Its just my posts pushing alisae. Why would scum want to bus their partner while neither is suspected and at the start of day?

I think Window's actions are magicial in the sense that he wants to talk himself into reads and then he starts confbiasing himself by trying to use anything he can find to reinforce what he wants to believe. Its really chaotic and what I used to do when I was very new to the game.

At this point I don't think its town because if he needs to push what he calls "slips" to come up with reads and new theories its at the point where he wants to feel justified and feels like he needs to have a strong, ironclad push when in reality he just has no interest in actually being right.

[Alisae]

Honestly Koba's play reminds me of how I used to play when I was first learning the game.
Except in the first year I was learning the game and played on this site I won 3 scummy banners so...

[Alisae]

tired of being misgendered on this website @mods make a fuckign rule for it already so i dont have to deal with thsi shit. i dont care if its an accident, theres only so many accidents b4 its in bad faith of not wanting to use the correct ones.

it's literally an accident. im sorry

[Alisae]

if you feel like its happening as a means to harass you and is malicious then report the posts because that is something that would fall under harassment.

[Alisae]

Hi I’m here

[Alisae]

Yo guys are we good to end the day because I’m ready to end the day honestly.

[Alisae]

Okay I caught up and Grumpy Cat wants a flip and I think Dong wants to end the day so I am going to drop a hammer because I also just want a flip at this point.
VOTE: Paladin

[Alisae]

Well that makes this easy
VOTE: Windows

@Redados, please talk to me before you vote me because I’m town. Like please talk to me and ask me questions or do whatever before you vote me because Windows is certainly scum here and if you’re town its important that you play this slowly.

Windows is just scum because town doesn’t just come into this day willing to vote someone immediately. I never seen town approach any LyLo scenario that way and as scum (in my personal experience) I’ve always been the one to be the first to vote in LyLo to determine the agenda of the day. Voting at the start of LyLo just doesn’t have town motivation to it.

[Alisae]

Alisae I’m not going to vote for a while. In a nutshell, I reeeaaallllyy didn’t like your hammer and I feel like you’ve been trying to redeem yourself for it all game. Trying to redeem yourself is NAI. It’s going to take a while for me to get comfortable with townreading you.

which hammer?

[Alisae]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, can't we get a bit of time to chill at daybreak. Seems like we are just jumping right into this. It is lylo so going full throttle right at the start is a bit oof.

I mean, do you ever see town immediately vote someone at the start of LyLo. I for sure as hell just don't.

[Alisae]

Alisae I’m not going to vote for a while. In a nutshell, I reeeaaallllyy didn’t like your hammer and I feel like you’ve been trying to redeem yourself for it all game. Trying to redeem yourself is NAI. It’s going to take a while for me to get comfortable with townreading you.

which hammer?

Day one hammer?

I don't know what to tell you other then I didn't know that Icon was at L-1 when I voted. I have to try to redeem myself for it because I made an opsie and I have to make up for it. Like I made an opsie, what am I supposed to do?

Also the hammer is just NAI.
I didn't know but if I'm scum its possible I knew but its equally as possible that I hammered and it was an accident.

[Alisae]

beep

What. Windows had the pagetop

[Alisae]

only for you flopz UNVOTE: (useless if alisae doesn't unvote but eir intemt to self preserve was clear when e didnt ask me to unvote amd rathwr just returned a vote

I mean I'm having a hard time thinking its not you but ok sure UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

The only person I don't see Windows being paired with is Flopz because it feels weird for Windows to have Flopz as town and for Flopz to be hard bussing his partner the whole game. I don't think that makes sense.
I actually think it could Windows and Dong could be a possibility now because the Dong vote at the start of the day doesn't make sense and could actually just be distancing.

I can also see Windows and Redados being partners because Redados seems really sold on using the fact that I hammered Icon against me and the way he presented why he's willing to vote me makes it seem like his mind is made up, which if he's town its just very bad. I also think that Windows and Ydrasse might start to make sense because of a post that Dong posted earlier and also if I ever decided to compromise on Ydrasse, Windows could take that compromise and bus his partner to make him look good and make me look bad.
There is one thing I don't like about this pairing though that makes me feel off about it but I don't think I should mention that so.....

[Alisae]

I'm also going to think about teams outside of Windows, but if I'm trying to think who could be paired with Windows that's just what comes to mind

[Alisae]

I actually think it could Windows and Dong could be a possibility now because the Dong vote at the start of the day doesn't make sense and could actually just be distancing.

Were the incredibly toxic Windows vs Dong interactions during the last day just really good scum theater? That felt truly awful and toxic to me.

I think Windows' actions have been very anti-town, but like I said there's no one that I can really imagine them being scum partners with at this point.

If I recall correctly, Dong started to go after Windows after GC did? My memory sucks so I'm not 100% on this but for Windows to be scum he had to engage in theater with someone in the playerlist or he's just scum with you (which I think could also be realistic).

Like why vote Dong at the start of the day (or at all if you're town) and then vote me. I'm having trouble making sense of it.

[Alisae]

If Windows is scum, then scum wouldn't be pushing for a Windows lim because it loses them the game. That makes me or Flopz the other scum, because neither of us are pushing strongly for a Windows lim.

Or Windows is scum and he's being pushed by town?

[Alisae]

hey alisae why did u vote paladin? what was scummy abt them?

I trust GC and Dong and I don't trust you Ydrasse or Paladin and Paladin could have been aligned with anyone so...

[Alisae]

If Windows is scum, then scum wouldn't be pushing for a Windows lim because it loses them the game. That makes me or Flopz the other scum, because neither of us are pushing strongly for a Windows lim.

Or Windows is scum and he's being pushed by town?

why is dong town?

He's cooperative and with my interaction with him it felt like he believed that by voting me at the start of the day it would create more information.

[Alisae]

If Windows is scum, then scum wouldn't be pushing for a Windows lim because it loses them the game. That makes me or Flopz the other scum, because neither of us are pushing strongly for a Windows lim.

Or Windows is scum and he's being pushed by town?

Windows has given their preferred pronoun multiple times. Try harder.

If Windows is scum, then it doesn't make sense for you or Dong to be partners with them because scum can't bus today. That means that Windows has to be scum with me or Flopz yada yada. So from your perspective I can see a Windows & Redados pairing making sense. And from your perspective you can't agree to an Alisae + Dong pairing.

Can we say that it's
1. Alisae + Dong
2. Windows + Redados
3. Windows + Flopz?

one of those three?

and if we narrow it down to those three that to me #1 looks the most obvious

You seem the most obvious paired with Redados. Flopz is possible but does he really ask his scum buddy in thread to unvote?

[Alisae]

If Windows is scum, then scum wouldn't be pushing for a Windows lim because it loses them the game. That makes me or Flopz the other scum, because neither of us are pushing strongly for a Windows lim.

Or Windows is scum and he's being pushed by town?

why is dong town?

He's cooperative and with my interaction with him it felt like he believed that by voting me at the start of the day it would create more information.

is being uncooperative scummy?

strange you can easily apply this logic to my actions and it would mean I should be townread by you. so whats the key difference?

He's nice to me and doesn't treat me like confscum?

[Alisae]

I mean the 2nd part is pretty important but ok

[Alisae]

when have you been cooperative this whole game?
When have you tried to work with your townreads to achieve a lynch

[Alisae]

Like all game you, GC, and Dong were the only things that were here to prevent you from persueing with your agenda and the whole game you've been playing as if you had an agenda and not as if you were trying to solve a game

[Alisae]

when have you been cooperative this whole game?
When have you tried to work with your townreads to achieve a lynch

I don't think I follow what you're saying

Villagers work together to try to decide the agenda and the lynch.
Scum like to dictate the lynch, which is what you've been doing

[Alisae]

i seriously do not fucking trust u unless u put a vote down btw lol

Why are you baiting people into putting votes down

[Alisae]

how have u been trying to solve the game? by hardtunneling me and then hammering a LHF target that was low info?

You're scum and GC, Dong, and Flopz didn't want to flip you D2. I would have prefered to flip you D2 but they didn't want to so...

[Alisae]

when have you been cooperative this whole game?
When have you tried to work with your townreads to achieve a lynch

I don't think I follow what you're saying

Villagers work together to try to decide the agenda and the lynch.
Scum like to dictate the lynch, which is what you've been doing

how do i work together with town if im not sure who is town? this line is complete horseshit and u know it. you just literally took my town meta and assigned it as "scum behavior" which is hilarious.

I don't know your meta and I don't care about your self-meta. Meta is only valuable when you've extensively played with a person because you've experienced first hand how that person acts

[Alisae]

And you need to play with that player for several games.

[Alisae]

how do i work together with town if im not sure who is town?

What
do you not have townreads?

[Alisae]

i seriously do not fucking trust u unless u put a vote down btw lol

Why are you baiting people into putting votes down

whos my scumpartner again?

Ydrasseslot or Flopz

[Alisae]

so alisae again i ask why did you hammer paladin? why was he scummy?

because my townreads wanted it and he was in my PoE

[Alisae]

because I townread Flopz GC and Dong

[Alisae]

you can't offer a good reason on why you think dong is town other than "they're nice to me" and you have no good reason on why you scumread paladin enough to hammer them without offering them a chance to speak.

I don't care about what Paladin has to say, I don't think anyone cares about what Paladin has to say, and saying you care about what Paladin has to say is dishonest. You may not like it but its the truth!

[Alisae]

you can't offer a good reason on why you think dong is town other than "they're nice to me" and you have no good reason on why you scumread paladin enough to hammer them without offering them a chance to speak.

I don't care about what Paladin has to say, I don't think anyone cares about what Paladin has to say, and saying you care about what Paladin has to say is dishonest. You may not like it but its the truth!

so.... you had no solid reason or scumread on paladin you just hammered him just cause i see. pretty scummy!

He was in my PoE and my townreads wanted him dead. That alone is good enough and when you can't get your main scumread you need to compromise. You don't seem to understand this though but its a very important part about being a villager is being willing to compromise if you can't get your top scumread.

[Alisae]

you can't offer a good reason on why you think dong is town other than "they're nice to me" and you have no good reason on why you scumread paladin enough to hammer them without offering them a chance to speak.

I don't care about what Paladin has to say, I don't think anyone cares about what Paladin has to say, and saying you care about what Paladin has to say is dishonest. You may not like it but its the truth!

so.... you had no solid reason or scumread on paladin you just hammered him just cause i see. pretty scummy!

He was in my PoE and my townreads wanted him dead. That alone is good enough and when you can't get your main scumread you need to compromise. You don't seem to understand this though but its a very important part about being a villager is being willing to compromise if you can't get your top scumread.

you voted him for the sake of getting an ML through.

That is in fact the result of the action. It happens.

[Alisae]

do you think dong's bad faith excuse to vote me is towny @alisae?

How is it bad faith?

[Alisae]

do you think dong's bad faith excuse to vote me is towny @alisae?

How is it bad faith?

[Alisae]

Just fucking get off your high horse and explain it to me

[Alisae]

Okay so you made a mistake and instead of saying "I'm sorry I made a mistake" you said "I'll apologize if you apologize first"

[Alisae]

And he's the one thats supposedly acting in bad faith

[Alisae]

stop fucking gaslighting me alisae lmfao. i get ur trying to win but fuck im not having that shit here.

Because it requires admitting that you fucked up.

[Alisae]

My pronoun is it.

??????

[Alisae]

VOTE: Windows

[Alisae]

Windows if you weren't a complete egotistical asshole and actually tried to work with people maybe you would have won.
For the record, ya my D3 was super sloppy and tbh, I didn't want to hammer Icon (I didn't even know I hammered until I saw the flip) and I didn't even want to scumread you but then you self-voted and I didn't see any point in white knighting you at that point.

No one is going to care when you say "VOTE ME OFF BUT YOU HAVE TO KILL THIS PERSON." If you want to win games as a villager, you HAVE to work with people and be cooperative. You cannot solo carry games as a villager. Mafia is a team game and with how you played here, you aren't a team player dude. Like, you're so self-asborbed and think you're hot shit that you don't even pay attention to who was nightkilled.

It doesn't matter if you caught me if you can't lynch me, you need to be townie, and you need to be able to convince others of your solve.

[Alisae]

Honestly, it was okay for you to scumread Windows.

[Alisae]

Honestly, it was okay for you to scumread Windows.

I know, but it wasnt okay for me to tunnel. I knew i should have read up on flopz and ydrasse at some point but windows harrassed me to such an extent that i just couldnt ignore them. What can you do. Well played regardless.

Given how they were responding to you I feel like it would have been super easy to tunnel that slot. I mean they literally self-voted so its reasonable for you to.

[Alisae]

love the puns thank you.