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[PlusJOYED]

saudade is correct

plus stop thinking kerset saudade is TvT and accept reality

they ooze town energy
and whose flip flopping their reads now?

[PlusJOYED]

gn daddy

[PlusJOYED]

So kerset simply isnt a day one lynch. There are 3 scum alive so even if im wrong on kerset. That still means tehre is two scum to send to chopping block

this is weird

don't you want to get scum? "oh limming one scum means we have two more to go"

yeah wtf?
I think bob is so weird and almost a VI that he has to be town. I just cannot fathom scum!bob playing like he is.

[PlusJOYED]

iv said he was on break I think

[PlusJOYED]

plus talk to me I think you're town but my gut has doubts

about what?

[PlusJOYED]

i shallow meta dived bob they are a decent town player

I'm confused with their play here

.... what?

[PlusJOYED]

@Menalque, @Ydrasse I want us to agree on a course of action. Menalque is obviously on Osuka, but I don’t know that this one gets through, and I do have a Negative Lena there, but I also want to re-read.
@IV I want some thoughts on what you would be willing to vote here. I see you very scattered and defensive (particularly after your “slip”, but I have been liking your takes so I want to see more of them). I know you said you wouldn’t post much until Wednesday, and you needed a break - all I want is a small list of players you would vote. That’s all.

I have a good sense of what some other players want to do. Saudade is almost death tunneling Kerset (but would also clearly vote for Osuka), and Bob is on Teacher (and defending Kerset given their Claim). Kerset is tunneling Teacher almost, after somewhat tunneling me. plusJOYED’s 2325 makes it pretty clear where they would vote, which also includes Teacher.

@Kerset, how do you feel about my slot now?
@Tayl0r where are you? You seem to be vibing with plus after SR’ing there, which I don’t have any major objections to actually I’m still trying to figure out what to make of plus. Your vote is still on IV, and you appear to also be willing to vote Osuka. How do you feel about Teacher/Bob?

Nobody has taken me up on answering whether crumbing Doctor makes sense. Can somebody seriously comment on that?

correct on where I would vote.
Iv, teacher, or math is prefered for me, with preference for IV
I might be convinced for a saudade or bob wagon
won't vote anyone else

[PlusJOYED]

on kerset, i didn't want to go into detail but I think I have to:
they do seem nervous from their iso. But newbish scumtells are also newbie pr tells. They are most definitely either doctor or mafia. From mafia!kersets perspective, they haven't been putting much effort into solving I think and have been one of the quieter ones. That could be a doctor who is worried about being outed (I think is likely) or a scum player who doesn't wanna seem sus. If they are scum, then by crumbing a fake claim early they'd know they are under suspicion. But Saudade death tunneled kerset from the get go and gave them many chances to prove towniness by posting game stuff early on; kerset did not. Why would scum!Kerset crumb there, when they could likely have escaped suspicion early pretty easily by just acting townie instead? That's honestly not hard to do as scum or town, especially given Saudades low bar. That doesn't make sense to me at all why they would crumb and take a big risk as scum; hell their 2 scum buddies could have helped them by evening writing out towny things for Kerset to say if Kerset didn't know how to do it. That's the biggest flaw in the scum!kerset idea imo.

Instead Kerset just got more nervous and defensive. This attitude makes the most sense from doc!Kerset perspective, where they don't want to appear too towny so they become a maf target and die n1. The early hammer reaction looked realish but could be faked. Rather, they wanted to lay low, maybe even appear a little scummy so maf would leave them alone possibly (idk for sure), but Saudade wouldn't back off, and a wagon formed. Kerset showed more signs of being nervous which makes sense from town!Kerset perspective imo. If I was scum and knew Kerset wasn't, I'd let Kerset live n1 and then jump on them like crazy day 2 to get them mislimed, which we might see. I came to this conclusion pretty early after Kerset claimed doc, and wanted to see who would jump on to get a solid scumtell start of day 2.

tl;dr scum kerset mindset doesn't make sense and so they are very likely town imo.

I'm leaning Saudade kerset being tvt.

[PlusJOYED]

So yeah, no way I'm voting Kerset today

[PlusJOYED]

sorry mena, what's your case on _me_ again? i was gonna say you can't read me but i'm pretty sure you're scum too so you know, whatever

Can you explain just a little more what you’re seeing with Menalque? I’ve been reading your ISO and I gotta be honest, I can’t read you. Like I could very much see you going either way. There are times when you make certain posts and I go yeah, that makes sense or that’s a good comment (say for example, your view in particular of Ydrasse’s posts in 1227, and you’ve had some of the same reaction I have had towards Bob in 1219), but then I feel you’ve been too pushy of IV.

i can. he's town

[PlusJOYED]

yeah I TR him pretty solidly

[PlusJOYED]

rn i think it's
scum pile: iv, ndmath, teacher
maybe scum: saudade
tr everyone else pretty solidly at this point

same as last time but im null on bob now given his more recent stuff.

[PlusJOYED]

People seem generally to want this day to end (ydrasse, mena, saudade and possibly others). While I personally think more discussion is better, it may be worth for us all to post our personal elim pool for the day so we can narrow down b4 the deadline so we come to a consensus

[PlusJOYED]

See, @plus, I find it concerning that Bob was your top TR (with limited content, which you admitted), but the minute that a sizable wagon builds on him, you downgrade him to null.

i get why you think that. In actuality my whole TR on him was from his opener and "scum wouldn't play like this" but then shelly stated today that his town play is a lot different so maybe he is just scum being scummy.

[PlusJOYED]

maaaaaan osuka why are people not voting iv what the heck

[PlusJOYED]

Andres i can see ur online come here and vote osuka

I’m thinking. Like this game is devolving into two camps almost [Saudade, Teacher, You v. Bob, Osuka, Kerset] and I’m trying to find some way of breaking through the barrier. Something that convinces me that I’m siding correctly. And I can’t get there.

i'm on team kerset/osuka

[PlusJOYED]

Andres i can see ur online come here and vote osuka

I’m thinking. Like this game is devolving into two camps almost [Saudade, Teacher, You v. Bob, Osuka, Kerset] and I’m trying to find some way of breaking through the barrier. Something that convinces me that I’m siding correctly. And I can’t get there.

which side would you say iv is on

mena side free

[PlusJOYED]

actually since people dont seem to want to lynch iv, here goes

VOTE: menalque

mmmmmm im not voting for mena I TR them overall

[PlusJOYED]

i just wish mena and i could agree on who to vote

[PlusJOYED]

this would have been so much easier if we got an iv flip back then

[PlusJOYED]

settle down with the insults guys

[PlusJOYED]

There’s no way this is TvT right? Because if so, we really are screwed.

i think it is unfortunately

[PlusJOYED]

osuka mena isn't the kill today. hop back to iv please

[PlusJOYED]

scum pogging in the chat at this awful TvT rn

[PlusJOYED]

scum pogging in the chat at this awful TvT rn

why is it tvt and why are you sitting on the sidelines like "well look at this". what are your thoughts, why is it tvt, what's the solve, etc.

I swear to god im being ignored. I've posted my solve twice today

[PlusJOYED]

mena stop having wrong reads
osuka stop being omgussy at this TvT and hop back on IV because a mena elim isn't happening today

[PlusJOYED]

im gonna do a big repolishing of my reads during night phase but for now they are pretty stagnant

[PlusJOYED]

but I do not buy obvscumming, this is a deadline urgency vote

VOTE: osuka

we have over 44 hours you just want a townie hammered today you scummy boy you

[PlusJOYED]

fuck yeah
kill iv gang !

[PlusJOYED]

i don't like mena's tunnel here they are getting super desperate

[PlusJOYED]

i don't fall for the scum osuka meme

[PlusJOYED]

why are people on bob

[PlusJOYED]

i could possibly be sold on bomb
him being my main TR was kind of a meme

[PlusJOYED]

tbh the warring / division isn't helping; we should post our lynchpools

I stand by my reads list I posted earlier today

my vote stays on souk for now but im willing to compromise for a lim to get through

that's whaf i said u sheep jk pls don't hurt me

[PlusJOYED]

compiled a list of most recent elimpools, yall welcome, please correct me if you think yours is different than this list

me: iv, teacher, or ndmath, possibly bob or saude

saudade: kerset or osuka

osuka: iv or mena

mena: osuka tunnel

andres: bob, osuka? and ??? (they seem more open)

shelly: osuka, kerset, iv

iv: shelly, taylor, kerset, osuka, NDMath

ndmath: bob, iv or osuka

kerset: teacher and  ??? (need to hear more from them)

taylor: iv, teacher or possibly bob

Ydrasse: osuka, bob, and ??? (they seem open minded)

bob: teacher and ??? (i need to hear more)

teacher: bob or iv. He said osuka but I think he retracted.

Some else said this, but I agree with them. I'm honestly thinking with how difficult to get a wagon going that there is probably at least 1 or 2 active scum shifting the wagons around. I'm a little concerned with the idea of killing a random less active person just because I do think one of the wagons we switched off is definitely scum, and im leaning towards iv myself.

[PlusJOYED]

counting based on my last post

people willing to vote them count:

iv: 5

teacher: 4

math: 2

bob: 6

saude: 1 or 2

kerset: 3

osuka: 7

mena: 1

taylor: 1

ndmath: 2

It looks like the 3 most popular choices for wagons are osuka, bob, and iv. For time interests I think it'd be best for one of those 3 if deadline closes in. I won't be voting osuka but I could see myself on bob or definitely iv.

[PlusJOYED]

Pagetop?

[PlusJOYED]

combining the 2

me: iv, teacher, or ndmath, possibly bob or saude

saudade: kerset or osuka

osuka: iv or mena

mena: osuka tunnel

andres: bob, osuka? and ??? (they seem more open)

shelly: osuka, kerset, iv

iv: shelly, taylor, kerset, osuka, NDMath

ndmath: bob, iv or osuka

kerset: teacher and  ??? (need to hear more from them)

taylor: iv, teacher or possibly bob

Ydrasse: osuka, bob, and ??? (they seem open minded)

bob: teacher and ??? (i need to hear more)

teacher: bob or iv. He said osuka but I think he retracted.

people willing to vote them count:

iv: 5

teacher: 4

math: 2

bob: 6

saude: 1 or 2

kerset: 3

osuka: 7

mena: 1

taylor: 1

ndmath: 2

It looks like the 3 most popular choices for wagons are osuka, bob, and iv. For time interests I think it'd be best for one of those 3 if deadline closes in. I won't be voting osuka but I could see myself on bob or definitely iv.

[PlusJOYED]

sorry you feel that way iv if genuine but I do think this is scum AtE. Maybe take a break or reduce number of games you play at once?

[PlusJOYED]

why are those 2 opposed to each other
I like iv I just think he's scum this game
he basicially has given up from that anyway it doesn't seem like he's gonna help town much

[PlusJOYED]

no, it could just be scum iv doublethinking
if they are feeling burnt out or maybe frustrated with other stuff they channel it to make a more believable AtE; raw AtE based on nothing doesn't work as well.
I think theres a psych term for that. Displacement

[PlusJOYED]

I am not interested in psychology plusjoy

besides they're not burnt out, they're just disappointed that they are death tunnelled and holding no influence so they'd rather die

wtf? This game is pretty closely related to psychology
It's fine if you don't get my mindset. Like Osuka I don't post every thought or take I have.

[PlusJOYED]

leaning towards this being IV scum AtE
I think frusterated town IV would have walked away after the self vote and come back later. Instead he's sulking here to drive it in, definitely trying to take advantage of it regardless

[PlusJOYED]

ok heres my thinking shelly:
scum IV did a scumslip a while back
He whined about how he should just die and broke down. It got Mena to feel sympathy and hard defend him for like 5 pages since they had scumslips as town before apparently and dismantled the wagon. Now that he's up in votes and sees it, he hopes to use the same strategy again to have his mena pocket save him. And if he dies and flips red mena will probably get elimed day 2 for defending and he knows that. This is the best place for it, since mena is tunneling osuka and osuka is highest in votes. Mena will feel bad again and tunnel a townie for him. Rinse and repeat as needed.

[PlusJOYED]

I don't think how much you realize shelly that mena holds a lot of influence right now; who do you think got osuka to the highest votes? Mena has probably the most influence tbh, able to convince Ydrasse, andres, you, and possibly more to vote almost anyone. That pocket is op and he can rely on it hard for as long as possible.

[PlusJOYED]

Here, when Mena sees this, they will tryhard to get an osuka elim and it will probably happen. Osuka will flip green. IV will whine about being a burden with bad reads start of day 2 and the same thing will happen again. IV needs to die today.

[PlusJOYED]

My point is shelly, is that AtE got IV out of trouble before, why wouldn't he do it again

[PlusJOYED]

well iv if you flip green im the day 2 elim pretty sure
well me or osuka

[PlusJOYED]

I don’t understand why Bob is being so passive. To be honest, I have one read I trust, and I think everybody else could potentially be Scum. And I generally find myself in games TR’ing too many people, and not what’s happening here.

whose your one read?

[PlusJOYED]

I also think Ydrasse is town. I TR you but I dislike you being so hesitant to read people here; not having reads or being very unsure about them makes you look towny but isn't protown at all, and we're past the point where you can be null on a lot of people.

[PlusJOYED]

why do people not see that IV is scum, the AtE is literally right there

[PlusJOYED]

God dammit you guys are playing right into IVs hands. Mena vs Osuka im pretty sure is TvT
peddit: agree on taylor tbh

[PlusJOYED]

I don't think I can stop an Osuka elim today, just please go after IV when Osuka flips green, cause if mena is the d2 elim I think town is boned

[PlusJOYED]

I'd honestly prefer me to be elimed here over osuka

[PlusJOYED]

or quote a past explanation

i just can't

[PlusJOYED]

oh

I think I know why

And I think town!osuka reads us the same way as scum!osuka so if you are thinking this is all possible for town!osuka I believe it also possible for scum!osuka

I had this thought at one point too, I suggest you reconsider the chance of scum!osuka

If we’re not thinking about the same thing nvm then

well, you are pretty right on that...
if a player reads the same way every game, statistically speaking they are more likely to be town than scum. So TR them. Am I going to TR them day 1? Yes. Am I going to TR them during lylo? They'll have to be correct or do something to further convince me to earn that. So far they've agreed with me on most things without really looking to pocket me so TR, along with a gut TR on them

[PlusJOYED]

Math feels like they've just skirted on the sidelines harder than anyone else and I don't like it. The ascetic claim isn't a pass to not engage, and I think they are probably mafia ascetic

[PlusJOYED]

IV, how do you have that complicated thoughts and self voted twice. I don’t get where your head is at.

Again, I’d love for the people on Osuka to explain (perhaps red plain) why Osuka>Bob. I just don’t see it, instead of the stridency with which it is being pushed.

If the bob option goes away, as it’s seeming to, I’m going to IV as the most “compromised” slot.

Is jester normal?

jester is not normal im pretty sure its bastard actually

[PlusJOYED]

i need to reread I missed the rolestopper stuff. I'll do that n1

[PlusJOYED]

I don't get why people don't consider the idea of mena vs osuka being TvT

[PlusJOYED]

It doesn't make sense for scum to push that hard day 1, agreed. Nor town on normal circumstances really. Plus Mena's attack seemsly largely based on emotion, going qs far as to self vote if they are wrong and this whole debacle came after IV scumslipped and used AtE to escape as mena defended him, pouncing on osuka. In fact I'm pretty sure mena SR's everyone who went after iv which is so emotionally driven it doesn't make sense for scum play, not to mention Osuka being q popular target. So mena is probs town

The best way I make sense of the interaction is if IV is scum and he got in Menas head, as I suggested earlier.

[PlusJOYED]

This is a bit of a reach, but I think mena went after Osuka cause they wanted IV to live and Osuka is an easy target for a day 1 elim

[PlusJOYED]

agree with rest, but not true for iv. By killing him here, even if he flips town, it'll clear up so much

[PlusJOYED]

iv playing so surface level and being so lost while using AtE makes it pretty clear to me he's scum just trying to avoid dying without any intent to solve.
pedit: sorry iv it"s nothing personal

[PlusJOYED]

Out of village an osuka i would prob pick village.


Osuka just feels like what ive seen from in his other town games. He strikes me as someone who easily gets into these tvt fights

agree on that.
If I was scum I'd stay away from osuka and let him self destruct in TvT fights.

[PlusJOYED]

everyway i look at it. I just like the wagon composition on osuka better. If the scum team is on it then im prob pocketed

I hope I've not gone from one game with amazing reads to another will terrible reads

I honestly think the wagon on osuka is pretty townie, I just think town is wrong here

[PlusJOYED]

Because if teacher is scum and osuka is town and scum!teacher realised that the ellitell logic for osuka!scum isn’t great but he sees that I’ve pushed that wagon to the brink of flipping, there’s no way he calls attention to it for the towncred instead of using it to completely discredit me tomorrow and either sideline me or directly push for my flip

Hmmmm I can see that actually. Maybe I was wrong on teacher, I can't rememberwhy I SRd him. I'll reread after d1 ends but he's not my prefered d1 elim by any means while iv is walking free

[PlusJOYED]

i'd like us to elim iv or osuka. I TR osuka but it'll at least make town realize iv scum i think and we're running out of time

[PlusJOYED]

plusjoy's ISO is messy

having weird, opportunistic reads and not actually doing much to solve

wtf do you mean im not doing stuff to solve? Unlike you I don't hop on every wagon I see. Which, now that I think about it, isn't that how you play scum? I may have to reevaluate my TR on you overnight

[PlusJOYED]

Okay, I went back and looked plus is like, very confident not only that osuka-me is TvT but also that apparently several other fights are TvT

you damn right

[PlusJOYED]

we really do need to consolidate we are NOT fucking ending the day with a no elimination

you are also damn right
and dying today no matter what

[PlusJOYED]

If I get wagoned, fine, at least then iv will die. I still prefer it to osuka but obviously IV would be ideal

[PlusJOYED]

Okay I’m going to sleep bc it’s late

I’ll be back on around deadline or maybe a little before depending on how my day plays out to make sure we get a guillo

For now VOTE: plus

actually why would you do that on a fresh wagon when we're this close to deadline

[PlusJOYED]

PlusJOYED is not solving, remember how they consolidated who voted who yesterday? easy way to get towncred

and now they're OMGUS-ing me

and they are just stuck on iv while refusing to consider anything other than TvT for everything else which is TMI

are you fucking with me here? Not that I really care, but I've done more to solve than you have AND you're the one who brings up meta the most tbh, while just hoping on whatever wagon is currently popular. This reaction legit looks like scum shelly from the last 2 games.

[PlusJOYED]

i think me vs scum!shelly happens tomorrow
scum!shelly did this in 2023
scum!shelly did this in doggos
now shelly is pulling the same crap but the odds of getting scum!shelly that frequently are low.

[PlusJOYED]

let me explain my plus trajectory in more detail

at start of game I liked plus, early readslist and a TR on me. but as the game went on plus just got stuck on teacher / iv / NDMath and they're not doing anything.

they aren't trying to scumhunt tbh. they're trying to find a mislim which is iv and they just want to "reflect" their read on me which is fence sitting

they flip flop on their reads and it isn't logical. they appear to solve, but aren't doing anything with their solve.

I feel a different *vibe*. Feels like they're pushing an agenda by calling everything TvT. I think this might be TMI.

2027 proves town!plus can act like this but I just don't see town!plus here. As the day goes on PlusJoy just tries to navigate the thread with a survivalistic mindset.

the only thing that makes me doubt is the vagueclaim

1. im pretty confident in my solve, iv literally scumslipped so we should have flipped him right there but mena fucked it up
2. TR on you is NAI
3. I've explained why this is TvT but people seem to ignore me. I'm pretty confident in my reads
4. iv isn't a mislim. If I wanted a mislim I would have hammered Osuka, even if me and osuka were both scum it would have been better to kill them right there
5.i flip flop my reads AND im stuck in my reads? This is hella hypocritical. You're misreping me here and you know it, this is a huge red flag
6. I've done nothing to lamist really at all, why would I defend osuka when it would be way eaiser for me to join the wagon

Shelly looks reeeeeealllly sus here and I liked their opening but their vca and reasoning look really bad here

[PlusJOYED]

someone hammer iv ffs

[PlusJOYED]

maybe
I don't really wanna argue or get sidetracked
disagree on literally all of your bolded statements but we can get back to this day 2
peddit: your projecting super hard shelly. you're either VI'ing here or just scum, you've fence sat on me this whole game and im trying not to rage here

[PlusJOYED]

im like osuka. i don't feel the need to explain my every thought when they aren't worthwhile. I still think i've explained my reads better than you and you're projecting super hard here
im pretty tight cuz this is the third game in a row you've SR me

[PlusJOYED]

if you think I'm scum I literally cannot be partnered with iv, he called me scum for calling him more town

and I've consistently scumleaned NDmath

iv loves to bus his partners, read his scum meta

[PlusJOYED]

consider this a psuedo-vote on plusjoy

besides, why would scum!me attack or case you when it's near end of day and I can just hammer iv or osuka here

because you want an elim that's not scum and iv is the only option atm?

[PlusJOYED]

well now you do

[PlusJOYED]

the difference is that if you tunnel me you'll die no matter what. food for thought

[PlusJOYED]

i'll reread a lot after we get 2 flips, i'll have walls upon walls of texts explaining my reads this time

[PlusJOYED]

i don't even know what you two are fighting about

I SR'd plusjoy for not trying to solve, they OMGUS and flip their TR on me and we're just trying to prove each other is scum at this point? is that an ok tl;dr

sxum!shelly is desperately trying to get an elim on me as per usual and projecting their flawed logic qnd trying to pretend it's my flawed logic

[PlusJOYED]

Shelly I'd consider using your factional kill on me tonight
i've crumbed hard enough you can probably guess why

[PlusJOYED]

Shelly isnt scun you are a very bad player plus

im not the one whose been sring obvtown kerset bro

[PlusJOYED]

my reads are solid imo

[PlusJOYED]

he says as he votes obvtown

[PlusJOYED]

i don't even know what you two are fighting about

I SR'd plusjoy for not trying to solve, they OMGUS and flip their TR on me and we're just trying to prove each other is scum at this point? is that an ok tl;dr

sxum!shelly is desperately trying to get an elim on me as per usual and projecting their flawed logic qnd trying to pretend it's my flawed logic

like why would scum!me actually SR you for three games

pedit: I'm not american lol

worked the last 2 games

[PlusJOYED]

solve is iv /shelly /ndmath atm

[PlusJOYED]

my reads are solid imo

I disagree with almost all of them

pedit: I wouldnt say it worked in 2027
also I have changed my scum meta tbh. 2026 is a better reflection of how I ideally want to play as scum

yeah cuz ur probably scum

[PlusJOYED]

what happened to teacher plus

they made some townie posts and I reconsidered my read

[PlusJOYED]

I'm gonna chill here cause this argument is stupid, I've had better conversations with my rats
This looks like scum shelly to me but I could be biased since I don't get along with them. It's possible that shelly is just VI'ing here

[PlusJOYED]

Plleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaseeeee theres like 5 of you fuckers in here right now

you insulted me and my country piss off

[PlusJOYED]

i refuse to believe that

that makes 2 of us lol
shit maybe saudade is right and this is TvT

[PlusJOYED]

Plleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaseeeee theres like 5 of you fuckers in here right now

you insulted me and my country piss off

Hahahahahahaha i knew it you really are american

its under my avatar bruh

[PlusJOYED]

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i'm o's

p-edit please god tell me what vi'ing is

p-edit again i'm hardclaiming then

also let me actually look at the vc now because i was gonna hammer iv

VIing = being wrong and dumb

[PlusJOYED]

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i'm o's

p-edit please god tell me what vi'ing is

p-edit again i'm hardclaiming then

also let me actually look at the vc now because i was gonna hammer iv

he's at E-1 please end my pain

[PlusJOYED]

shelly is probably just town and im OMGUS-ing cause shelly excels at pissing me off and being wrong

[PlusJOYED]

mine is osuka

[PlusJOYED]

plusjoint vote kerset i beg u daddy

you might be better at mafia than me but i choose ignorance

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: iv

mercy killing

gooooood shit

[PlusJOYED]

thats my spot sorry Ydrasse

[PlusJOYED]

I could be biased since I don't get along with them. It's possible that shelly is just VI'ing here

look at plus flip flopping on me again and deeming me VI

your good at pissing me off but probably just dumb town imo

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: iv

mercy killing

ydr conftown

agree

[PlusJOYED]

that hammer was townie af

[PlusJOYED]

Vote count 1.final

with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

execution

innocentvillager [7]:

Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse

[HAMMER]

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

PlusJOYED [2]:

Andresvmb, Menalque

Kerset [2]:

Saudade, shellyc

Not Voting [0]:

flip

innocentvillager

has been executed Day 1. He was a

Vanilla Townie

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I still can't believe IV flipped town, what the hell IV?
Anyway, him being town and sau flip does impact my reads quite a bit.
Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.
Mena is definitely town imo, scum wouldn't go that hard to save a townie. Super strong obvtown
If osuka is still after mena I think he's probably scumbinned at this point, town wouldn't do that
Shelly is still town
Ndmath is still super scummy
Bob scumlean I think
Teacher i needs to read iso
Andres obvtown
ydrasse seems towny overall, I think the hammer may have been exhaustion

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NDMath is Town. Let’s stop wasting time.

how
they've done nothing towny this game

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I think I want a ndmath, bob, teacher, or osuka elim today
peddit agree on town!taylor atm
I don't think that hammer was a scumtell imo

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Yeah I’m a Miller Town Checker. Frankly it’s a bit of a stupid Role.

what the fuck

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i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic

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VOTE: ndmath

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Talk to me about Kerset, leaving aside the claim.

Hey Plus, wanna hit this up?

i could see him as going either way. I rambled quite a bit about kerset before lemme dig that up

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on kerset, i didn't want to go into detail but I think I have to:
they do seem nervous from their iso. But newbish scumtells are also newbie pr tells. They are most definitely either doctor or mafia. From mafia!kersets perspective, they haven't been putting much effort into solving I think and have been one of the quieter ones. That could be a doctor who is worried about being outed (I think is likely) or a scum player who doesn't wanna seem sus. If they are scum, then by crumbing a fake claim early they'd know they are under suspicion. But Saudade death tunneled kerset from the get go and gave them many chances to prove towniness by posting game stuff early on; kerset did not. Why would scum!Kerset crumb there, when they could likely have escaped suspicion early pretty easily by just acting townie instead? That's honestly not hard to do as scum or town, especially given Saudades low bar. That doesn't make sense to me at all why they would crumb and take a big risk as scum; hell their 2 scum buddies could have helped them by evening writing out towny things for Kerset to say if Kerset didn't know how to do it. That's the biggest flaw in the scum!kerset idea imo.

Instead Kerset just got more nervous and defensive. This attitude makes the most sense from doc!Kerset perspective, where they don't want to appear too towny so they become a maf target and die n1. The early hammer reaction looked realish but could be faked. Rather, they wanted to lay low, maybe even appear a little scummy so maf would leave them alone possibly (idk for sure), but Saudade wouldn't back off, and a wagon formed. Kerset showed more signs of being nervous which makes sense from town!Kerset perspective imo. If I was scum and knew Kerset wasn't, I'd let Kerset live n1 and then jump on them like crazy day 2 to get them mislimed, which we might see. I came to this conclusion pretty early after Kerset claimed doc, and wanted to see who would jump on to get a solid scumtell start of day 2.

tl;dr scum kerset mindset doesn't make sense and so they are very likely town imo.

I'm leaning Saudade kerset being tvt.

this still is my opinion on kerset

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i used to TR kerset hard but recent events and saude flipping and being wrong have weakened it quite a bit. The longer kerset lives the more I doubt their claim.

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But kerset isn't getting my vote today

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sorry iv

VOTE: mena

bruh moment
are your reads really just dead wrong as town or have you just been obvscumming this entire game

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cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

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Yeah suadade didn't throw, though I thought he was annoying too

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Oh Kerset is at E1 btw

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i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic

mafia ascetic + mafia rolestopper + mafia goon

doesn't make a single bit of sense for scum to have that much power against investigatives

well i could see it in a game with a fucking miller town checker lol
also been busy irl, how do we know we have a mafia rolestopper again?

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Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset

joyed i told ya you were incorrect

in my head town!kerset makes sense until they posted today. But yeah if kerset is doc like he says he threw by not protecting suade, so he's mafia

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tinfoil hat idea:
ndmath isn't ascetic at all. They have a mafia rolestopper and they rolestopped ndmath to give a pseudo obvtown as mafia

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where is kerset now, E-1?

e1 yes

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actually, considering ndmath claimed on first page i don't know if it makes sense to do that

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I'm actually at a loss for who the other scum could be if teacher and ndmath are town, besides kerset. I guess osuka? Maybe Ydrasse?
peddit: no but they could surely deduce that town has at least one investigative pr so they use a sketchy player to claim ascetic and waste town pr actions.

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I wonder if we should mass claim day 3

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this feels suprisingly bastard for a normal game lol. I also think so far we have too many prs so I think one of them might be fake
peddit: when did you stop SRing me?

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taylor hop on kerset they are at e-2
Personally kerset is obvscum and I think teamed with osuka and we had an exhausting day1, I don't think we need to go as long

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well we have to have a town investigative that hasn't claimed, we have a miller checker, doc claim, me?, ascetic, and informed?

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what if checker is our only investigative

this setup is weird

then how / why would they be a miller? That's bastard if we have no town investigative/cop and I don't think it would have been approved

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misdirection?

@Adres are you a Universal Miller i.e. showing guilty to trackers and gunsmiths

It only talks about a Cop, not a Gunsmith. I highly doubt there’s a Gunsmith in this setup haha

so then there is a town cop, ok
i don't want to speculate or out them, but I am kind of curious that there wouldn't be anyone CCing saude yesterday

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town are: teacher, ndmath, andres, shelly?, ydrasse.

that leaves: kerset, plus, osuka, bob, menal.

i also really dont like plus' flip on the one post. i also dont like bob coming in today and pointing out with self-meta how bob must be town because scum hit VT. im kinda leaning meal town by PoE, thinking kerset plus bob or kerset bob osuka just kinda makes sense.

the crux of my read was "kersets scumparterns wouldn't let him post like that"
but cmon, you gotta admit that post was pretty damning, no way town would make that post

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kerset isn't a newbie

tbh the flip-flop alludes to bussing scum but plusjoy's reads have constantly changed during this game. im still TL on plusjoy but I'll judge after the claim + reading ISO

well regardless of alignment he's playing like one imo no offense

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im headed to bed, hope you dang aussies murk kerset when i return

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Ydrasse's hammer could be intended hammer for him to wifom it out

i could see that honestly

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honestly could be possible that ydrasse was TR by nearly everyone as scum so they've been lurking since their job is finished?

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Osuka had a terrible D2 and their progression on Kerset D1 was not positive. Go take a look. Osuka was still trying to push you shelly and Menalque yesterday which honestly would seem weird for a Scum to do with Kerset under so much pressure but then I realized that Kerset was in fact trying to survive for some reason.

yeah i think osuka is scum at this point too

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didn't plusjoy hard retract the taylor scumread

like idk why kerset wants to live at d2 when it was clearly them but maybe they felt they needed to with their scumteam so exposed

joyed is just doing more things and making a bigger effort to solve than osuka. end of story

yeah taylor had a really bad start imo but they've gotten better

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scum would be demotivated at the loss of kerset tbh

idk if that really indicates scum!ydra though

not really, they are in a decent spot

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im at

hard town: andres, mena

probably town:taylor, shelly, bob

scummy: ydrasse, ndmath

hard scum read: osuka

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VOTE: osuka E1

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my vote remains in a spiritual sense

this is prob overcautious, I think osuka self hammer is probably still +town EV and I think scum never hammers town!osuka out of the blue there but *shrug*

agreed, i think osuka is best at e1

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i just don’t want someone to do something dumb and whoops we lost another day of this game

???
didn't yiu just say this game is draining you? whats up with that contradiction?

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im at

hard town: andres, mena

probably town:taylor, shelly, bob

scummy: ydrasse, ndmath

hard scum read: osuka

can you talk me through your scum reads here? also through your read on bob?

yeah
osuka is scum not for his iv read, but because he continued to SR mena after IV flipped. Also the vote back off of kerset was sus as well
Ydrasse I liked day 1 but the hammer was sus af and I feel like they are the deepwolf here. They claimed to be bad at mafia scum roles but i've fallen for that before. And since near end of day 1 I haven't liked their posts

ndmath was always in my scum pile. I still think he's possibly mafia ascetic and inactive. but i'd prefer osuka and ydrasse elims first

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bob is partly for his opener. He's my weakest TR tho im a lot less sure. hes done scummy stuff and towny stuff. I just think those below him are scummier

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why does there have to be a ~deepwolf~ here.

why were wagons so hard to get started day 1? i think theres an active deepwolf here

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plus i have a feeling that you’re scum backed up into a corner and you’re trying to throw out some weird theories in an effort to try and deflect elims away from you.

im fine with being elimed here it's just not my preference

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why is osuka scum fypov or still SRing me after the IV flip? also why is that something that's v strongly town!indicative for me?

also, what ydra said -- why does there have to be a deepwolf at all? that actually does make me a lil paranoid of ydra in the case of plus!scum and this is distancing?

but equally it's maybe more concerning that there happens to be the exact number of scumreads in that list needed to win, if its a (plus, bob) team

my bob read is really weak honestly. If town wants a bob elim im fine with him, I just think osuka or maybe ydrasse should go first

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also suade sring ydrasse is kinda what prompted this since he was right on kerset and I've been pretty wrong this game

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don’t invoke that evil into the world

and plus why are you fine with being elimmed if you’re town?

i've softed enough, should I claim?

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I think the scum team is Ydrasse/osuka/kerset now actually

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why is bob scum taylor?

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stop trying to drag me down with you
someone hammer pls

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mena basically conftown
ydrasse scum

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i don't want confscum to muck up this shit too much

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Ok I read ydrassse-me interaction once again.

it was

intended

to try and sort them and they passed. with flying colours.

I think Ydrasse is town.

when I say they're scum they immediately ask me to prove it which means they have nothing to hide esp. considering their fairly weak scumrange?
when I did that quote wall they manage to find my error - I disregarded d2 interactions with ydrasse-kerset which kinda heavily towntells
posts around 3939 are super genuine and trying to find my mindset while making their point across
"i really don't know how to get the point across" taking into my account my stubborn actions around it this is very town

Andres / Menal / Ydrasse / Taylor are townies. Bob / Math / plusjoy / osuka are the lynchpool. there's a very high chance of hitting scum with osuka lim, and I want plus to claim tomorrow. This game's nearly solved.

how do you know their scumrange is weak? I read those 5 pages and just thought they were scummy

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all their posts have felt really scummy near then end of day 1, their opener seemed nervous af to me.
I think osuka is the elim today and I think town will win

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andres i swear to god.
I have been very abrasive and hard with my reads but im not giving up. suade sr'd ydrasse too

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also i've softed long enough, not 100% sure if admitting my role is good here but
i am vengeful townie

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if im the elim im taking ydrasse down i think

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joyed can you vengekill if you're nk'd?

no

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whats weird about that?

I won't be elimed today so your vote doesn't matter if its on me, it's the same as not voting pretty much.

I'd prefer if we get either suadade, teacher, taylor, ndmath or osuka. since those are the people i sr/am null on. so take your vote off kerset please

it's not that bad for town to elim me today but it's crazy to elim me over iv

pedit marathons don't count smh

plusjoy stated in dead PT in finished game 2027 that they were excited to roll scum

which I think is happening right here

sorry mod my b guess I wasn't ambiguous enough
no, but I did get a fun role this time around that I've been crumbing and i like this player list

I'd honestly prefer me to be elimed here over osuka

plus i have a feeling that you’re scum backed up into a corner and you’re trying to throw out some weird theories in an effort to try and deflect elims away from you.

im fine with being elimed here it's just not my preference

here shelly

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andres i swear to god.
I have been very abrasive and hard with my reads but im not giving up. suade sr'd ydrasse too

dude why do you remember this? Were you more abrasive than usual on purpose? Why does saudades read on ydr matter? This is a fucking weird post and screams of caught scum

I still think Shelly might be scum (since the alternative is townie with their head shoved a physically impossible length up their ass) but this is really really weird

Gonna check the votes before I vote here because I don’t wanna hammer but give me a sec

i honestly do think this is within her scumrange but I think she's town now

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andres i swear to god.
I have been very abrasive and hard with my reads but im not giving up. suade sr'd ydrasse too

dude why do you remember this? Were you more abrasive than usual on purpose? Why does saudades read on ydr matter? This is a fucking weird post and screams of caught scum

I still think Shelly might be scum (since the alternative is townie with their head shoved a physically impossible length up their ass) but this is really really weird

Gonna check the votes before I vote here because I don’t wanna hammer but give me a sec

in all honesty, i want to be nightkilled.more than anything. i've been wrong on many of my reads this game and me getting mislimmed and killing a townie would fucking suck
but i think scum does want to nk me here since me being alive is a risk

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joyed who is scum other than osuka?

i hold true to osuka/ydrasse/kerset
i think ydrasse is playing dumb here

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another thing i did was tunnel most of this game, even started iv page 3
that was a crumb to try and show my "if im elimed im taking this person down" target, especially since tunneling puts me at risk
i was worried people wouldn't catch it though so i got a little more overt

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joyed stop trying to pocket

DIE MAFIA SCUM

pedit intended townslip? idk why you having super wrong reads is a risk to scum though

im not pocketing anyone shelly. i don't want to

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I’m on my phone so you’ll have to elaborate on what exactly you mean because my screen size is likely different than yours

how I think you might be scum because your reads on kerset / iv have been super wrong

disagree
he's not scum cause of that, he's scum cause he thinks mena is scum after iv flipped green which is insane

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man i love mafia even though i suck at it lol

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yeah ok
you got into a spat with mena. I thought it looked TvT day 1.
mena aggressively defended iv, imo putting themselves at risk regardless of alignment of iv. Their early posts looked really risky for scum to post too
iv flipped green and mena later conceded they could be scum.
why would scum!mena build a pocket on iv with a huge risk when they honestly could have hopped on the wagon right there to get a mislim
and then later, they kill iv? Makes no sense
the fact that you thought mena was scum after iv flipped green means your probably scum or either holding a petty grudge against mena for fighting with you

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also the switching off kerset day 2 was really sus

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to try and postpone kersets elim
also defending kerset is insane regardless of alignment

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I still think the play is to elim osuka, he"s obviously scum at this point

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honestly right now;
andres, mena are locktown
osuka is very likely scum
everyone else is a toss up

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but if i had to choose other scum i think its ydrasse

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that hammer was townie af

VOTE: iv

mercy killing

ydr conftown

agree

like lol.

that was a joke making fun of saude that didn't actually make you townie

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Like how hard are you scumreading ydrasse

Unless you are like 100% lockscum on her then it makes much more sense to use your venge shot on someone who’s liable to be the guillo tomorrow

decently enough at this point
i SR osuka more and I think I TR bob honestly
the problem is that I trust you guys to sort bob/osuka out the next day, I have little hope that ydrasse will be found

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Vote count 1.final

with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

execution

innocentvillager [7]:

Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse

[HAMMER]

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

PlusJOYED [2]:

Andresvmb, Menalque

Kerset [2]:

Saudade, shellyc

Not Voting [0]:

flip

innocentvillager

has been executed Day 1. He was a

Vanilla Townie

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The sun sets, it is now Night 1. Sunrise in

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I still can't believe IV flipped town, what the hell IV?
Anyway, him being town and sau flip does impact my reads quite a bit.
Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.
Mena is definitely town imo, scum wouldn't go that hard to save a townie. Super strong obvtown
If osuka is still after mena I think he's probably scumbinned at this point, town wouldn't do that
Shelly is still town
Ndmath is still super scummy
Bob scumlean I think
Teacher i needs to read iso
Andres obvtown
ydrasse seems towny overall, I think the hammer may have been exhaustion

jokes btw

you had me fooled most of day 1 and 2
but day 3 it's become obvious that you are scum. Partly because I trust saudades reads now

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ydra is scum tho mena

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i do think there is probably another town pr that hasn't claimed but idk who it is
my shot being wrong would seriously suck but i still think it's ydrasse
i prefer to be the nk though

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so looking at this vc there like. has to be scum between these three right?

yeah one of those is your partner

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yes im kinda scared of fucking over town

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hmmm
what do you guys think the third scumrole is
probably some sort of investigate one right?

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i softed pretty hard day 1. Im guessing if the scum has an investigate role they used it on teacher n1 and then me n2
if they knew my role how would they play that day 3?

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i think it makes the most sense from a setup perspective
they have a rolestopper
and 100% have 1 other role

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We know scum have a rolestopper

Given what I know of mini normal balance I strongly suspect that if scum have a role cop it would be 1shot at most

i see, that makes sense. nvm

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what im getting at is how would a mafia play around vengeful

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if I were scum I'd try to pocket the vengeful claim very carefully
I think that's what bob is doing here

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: bob

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@shelly
I had assumed before mafia knew about my role start of day 3, but given mena's setup analysis it seems unlikely. If they knew they'd bus me, but since they don't they'd TR me and tread carefully. This flipped it on its head

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will be happy to vote bob

joyed can you explain your ydrasse read more? lets dive deeper

i changed my mind now
i don't think ydrasse is scum sort of
it's bob and maybe osuka

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plus you know what shot you have to take now for the good of our society this game

what is it

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yeah i don't think this level of acting is in ydrasse scumrange

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you already know.

i don't and i think i fucked up

im scared help

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i don't know what's happening anymore
i think i may have fucked us over my b

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i don't and i think i fucked up

im scared help

boom blatant AtE'ing scum checking in

i don't ate as scum shelly

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i don't know what's happening either shelly

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my mind is an enigma
and it will be proven soon i think