Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

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@mod

Has mafia/ other PTs daytalk?
Can there be neutral party?
Can this be multiball (2 mafias)?
Can you lie in role PMs/ flips?
Is it possible, that a person has a modifier/ role (s)he wasn't told about nor hinted about? (saying you have a modifier you don't know about is OK, having a miller who recieves VT PM not)

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Okay, that's enough RVS. Let's do some good old fashioned scumhunting.

Firstly, you need to ensure you're able to see seconds in post timestamps. If you don't know how, go to User Control Panel > Board Preferences > My date format > Custom > D M d, Y g:i:s a (Paste that into the box, or just add a colon and a s after the i)

VOTE: Nono

Hi.

Full-claim or I'll do it.

Intent to hammer Nono

These two posts are only 4 seconds apart in timestamps. I find it unbelievable that the poster giving intent to hammer would be able to read, write out, and submit this post all in 4 seconds,

unless

they're some kind of 20-person hydra who each type out 1 letter. It's interesting that this post was not signed by anyone, as this is further evidence the account is a hydra, since we all know that hydras never sign posts.

Baker mod:

Is the person who made post 9 a hydra account?

If The Baker gives us confirmation it is not, we can proceed with my theory. My theory is as follows:
The players who made posts 8 and 9 coordinatated them together. It's an innocent enough sequence of posts; they're amusing and friendly, and give the players a strong entrance to RVS - essential for establishing a good foothold in the game. Where they've messed up here however is how close they've posted to each other; subsequently outing themselves as scummies to the world.

VOTE: Titus

2 down,

5 to go

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VOTE: Leia
Scumslip.

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7 scum in a 21 playing game? We on extra hard mode considering there's not 2 mafia.

UNVOTE:
Can you all ignore the fact that I though that 5+2 is 5 and carry on? Please.

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i cc raving lunatic

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Because it’s actually a warning that him playing protown probably means he is scum

So now he knows that you know. So playing protown shifted from being scum indicative of him to being WIFOM. You just threw away one of your tools for scumhunting. Why?

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How about

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That is really scummy. Not because you're self voting, but because you saw nopower self voting and thought "hey look, everyone thought that looked scummy and voted him for it. A scum would never do that after they saw how badly it went for him!"

Therefore, you self vote thinking we'll fall into that line of thinking, concluding you must be town for doing something which already garnered so much negative attention.

But what you didn't realise was that LEIA was on the case.

VOTE: Looker

VOTE: iks

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What else would you except from a person who waited to join this forum exactly in 9/11?

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VOTE: tiphainedeath

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From my experience, people who get emotional are usually town.

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Death, are you able to play in a pro town way?

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VOTE: NPOM

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Death,
why is Leia trolling scummy, but my naked voting playstyle?

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Another day another time for me to chill and watch the Chaos.

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I think there is not prerequisite for entering this game.

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I think there is not prerequisite for entering this game.

only the most experienced of mafia players sign up for the dreaded baker game

l CC

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It is called "reflexive vigilante".

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TD is town.

Proof?

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I look for a replacement for Princess Leia!

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Someone is getting modkilled.

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My wagon isn't random.
It was build because of my two absolutely serious and valid counter claims.

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I'm town I don't lie.

Actually, town lieing is OK in some occasions.
For example if you are PGO and you fake claim doctor to draw scum on you.

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Friendly reminder that this is not "normal" game.

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I believe, that there is at least one scum in {Looker, DrippingGoofball, pisskop, pookythemagicbear, WaltertheDance, Bambi Jay}
Slots from that set with 0 content: {Looker, Bambi Jay}
Since I have already played a game with town lurking Looker, I will VOTE: B. Jay

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One more....

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I HAVE IT!!!

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Iecerint, can you show me where you think that Leila were scum hunting? I want to laugh.

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IKS- You believe there's at least one scum in your wagon. Why do you exclude Galron from the list?

I think there is at least one scum in that L-10 -> L-4 jump.

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Why is davesz so scummy, IE?

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50/50 is a very good result considering >2/3 are town.

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VOTE: lavander

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Then case me.

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VOTE: nono

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Does a modkill end the day?
Does it reset the VC if not?
Does it benefit scum more than town? What about any 3P?

Do you feel like he played it in a way that avoids suspicion if it did go through?

Geez, it was a joke. No sane mod would modkill for that post.

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Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: viewtopic.php?p=11344630#p11344630

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• Who is Nono?

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Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: viewtopic.php?p=11344630#p11344630

If I scrub that playerlist for who hasn't posted in a game in a while, will I figure out who you are?

VOTE: davesaz

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I hard claim shredproof jester-goon who ends the game when shreded.

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Why are we discussing jesters?

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TOWN

Iecerint
TiphaineDeath
A50
Titus
Doctor Drew
Pooky
a2rudeboy aka Hypnotoad
Galron
Pisskop
Gamma
BrightEyed
Starbuck
Princess Leia/REPLACEMENT

Lavender
Nono

Looker
DGB
IKS
Walter
Bambi
NPOM

SCUM

uhhhh

REASONS?

I'm happy to answer specific questions you have. You can see my thoughts from the posts I made as I caught up with the game.

You have less than 20 posts before that read list. There is zero possibility you sorted as many slots as did and covered them all in that limited span. YOU ARE A LIAR!
VOTE: Iecerint

I think, that there is a better approach for this than to claim that there is 0 possibility that he sorted that many slots.
@they may have thrown
why are following players in your list on positions they are in?
Galron, Pisskop, Walter, DGB, NPOM, iecerint, starbucks.

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Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: viewtopic.php?p=11344630#p11344630

Eww... Why even go there?

Why not?
Took me like 5 mins to find that game, check who from this game pushed me for joking about modkill and was in the other game and didn't react on BS asking for modkill and was town.
And I have a neat FOS on piss now. I am happy.

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townies just type what they're thinking

i am hungry

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I think, that there is a better approach for this than to claim that there is 0 possibility that he sorted that many slots.
@they may have thrown
why are following players in your list on positions they are in?
Galron, Pisskop, Walter, DGB, NPOM, iecerint, starbucks.

1) I think his answer in 931 was odd in that he had extended commentary for each one of your selected players. What are your thoughts on that?

2) How did you choose the players to ask him about?

1) He claimed that he has reasons why he put players where he put them. Nothing surprising.
2)
galron - wagon
pisskiop - my scumread
Walter/ DGB - not general scumreads
NPOM - I don't find him that scummy as people do
iecerint - joke
starbucks - hasn't pinged me in any way and I wanted to hear opinions of others.

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• Sorry for being so distant, but work and this game called Among Us has taken up most of my time. Among Us is basically this but with graphics, so yeah. Also faster paced.

VOTE: WalterTheDunce10 Team Galron I guess

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Multiball or an errant sk/vig?

I also am scared that this game might be multiball. If only someone could ask mod whether this game can be multiball or not.

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You broke my genial troll.

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Siteflake's reaction to the snap wagon on him seemed odd in that he seemed to not care and/or knew it would just pass over, I feel town would get more defensive rather than play it cool.

VOTE: Dr. Drew

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Can someone please scum claim at this point? (Not you, Bambi. Everyone knows you'd claim anything anytime just for the giggles, so that'd be worthless)

I hard claim jailor goon.

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Siteflake's reaction to being wagoned was so non-chalant that it is like he new it would pass(and if he is scum, good idea to look and see who was pushing alternate wagons). Imo, town would get at least somewhat defensive or do something to get votes off of them. The way Siteflake acted was almost like he had people to coach him and assure him that this wagon wasn't going anywhere.

Can I ask for a deeper analysis of wagonomics from you, please?

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Can someone please scum claim at this point? (Not you, Bambi. Everyone knows you'd claim anything anytime just for the giggles, so that'd be worthless)

I hard claim jailor goon.

Dafuq?? R U a JESTER???

Nope.
I am a jailor goon jester.

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And him calling out PK just reeked of 'let me find anything in his meta that can make him look bad'. How am I the only one that sees it that way?

• Who is Nono?

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Pisskop, I have a personal question. Why are you pushing me for joking about modkill, but this was OK: viewtopic.php?p=11344630#p11344630

If I scrub that playerlist for who hasn't posted in a game in a while, will I figure out who you are?

VOTE: davesaz

Because many other people are town; instead of finding things they can lynch me for, they think about why I did what I did.

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Nope, it's too much, I can't deal. VOTE: SiteFlake

Nobody forces you to read my posts.

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post 720

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IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<

Is IKS an alt then.

there is no way an account called "i keep siteflaking" is an alt

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Contributing is so hard mu, ask me questions instead la.

What do you think about Dr. Drew, Pisskop, chkflip, a2rudeboy and looker in the term of towniness?

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Drew is not happening?

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NPOM, how did I warp from your town pile to your scumpile?
Are you RC's alt?

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Now?

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That confirms my read on NPOM.
VOTE: piss

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We can shred piss.

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Or Drew.

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Interesting that both of the major wagons are voting Piss

NPOM's reaction to pisskop's push was something I have already seen before - and almost exclusively from town. It, and what happened after fits that particular playstyle so well, that I am almost certain that he is town.

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Why is pisskop only L-7?

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More dowel info:

Spoiler:

I hard claim John Browne (Monumets) the Developer. I progressively unlock new modifiers/ abilities. I don't what I will get before I unlock it. The fact, that I unlock progressively made me think, that if I survive long enough, I might get a very good abilities in later game. One of my alts is BS. That account's meta is centralized about trolling - which usually makes me wagoned day 1, but the wagon usually disappears and I am likely to survive till late game. Lo, survive till late game. So I decided to use that account's meta.
This explains why I was so calm about my wagon building on me - I expected it to go away, like it usually does. It also explains, how I "dig out dirt on pisskop from his meta" - I actually just picked Baker game in which I jokingly suggested a modkill, and took a look whether people in that and this game had different reactions on suggesting modkills. I would also like to point out, that saying "guess who is getting modkilled" is much far from suggesting a modkill than screaming

MODKILL

, yet pisskop ignored me in BFM (he was town) and pushed me here.

Where it comes to NPOM wagon, I still think that wagon is bad and should be dismissed.
Where it comes to pisskop wagon, I don't find asking for claims in L-3 that scummy. Nonetheless, I scumread him and Drew for their push on me and Pisskop's wagon is more popular. So I voted him.

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OK, you get few town points.

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Actually, it is normal - considering your abilities are normal and you know them beforehand.

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I am not the exact wiki version. I skip some nights and nobody said it has to be passive.

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Developer doesn't have anything to do with music right?

Not buying the claim

VOTE: IKS

John Browne is a talented audio engineer.
Also, nobody said that your role has to have something with music?

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I don't buy it because you claimed the wiki name of the role.

I claimed that I got in my PM. I didn't know that role is in wiki.
In last game I was doctor. Except, a very different role from wiki one. I actually even could selfheal.

Spoiler:

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Kiko Loureiro, guitarist for Megadeth since 2015.
You are a Doctor and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Each night, you may target a a player. That player cannot die overnight.
- You cannot choose the same target two nights in a row.

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This game is specifically about guitarists not technicians.

I am a guitarist AND technician. Jesus. Tell me one reason why noone can be both.

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Normal enough to have a page on the wiki.

Yes. After this post.

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So, let's put it straight. Baker decided to give all town stylized roles and mafia not stylized role. Because I claimed not stylized role, I am mafia. That is your push?

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@IKS, Who is your gutiarist?

John Browne.

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He is implying youre faking your role, not that mafia isnt getting a stylized role name.

So I am
a) a genius who managed to create a role which fits my flavor, is similar wiki definition of the role with same name without knowing that it is in wiki or
b) an idiot, who thinks that will pass a not-stylized role as stylized to group of ~15 people.

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Not not true because if we weren't supposed to talk about it he would have given us all wiki rolls.

Red herrings.
I once created a game with like 5 town trackers to make them lynch each other out.

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Actually, it is normal - considering your abilities are normal and you know them beforehand.

1- No it isn't
2- This isn't even a Normal Game

Night specific is normal. Any combination of normal roles is normal.

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I get my last abilities night 8 and night 10. This basically means, that there is no serial killer nor town killing role (perhaps one 1-shot vigi or one vengeful, but that is all). A really good idea to fake claim such role as scum, because I can get easily CCed by the amount of night kills.

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I believe AKS' claim. I don't know if it's scum or town, though. But I am willing to wait and see.

Starbuck is town.

Good. Then vote outside {me, NPOM}, because NPOM is not happening today, and if we get close to DL with me/ him being the only big wagons, I get lynched.

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I get my last abilities night 8 and night 10. This basically means, that there is no serial killer nor town killing role (perhaps one 1-shot vigi or one vengeful, but that is all). A really good idea to fake claim such role as scum, because I can get easily CCed by the amount of night kills.

there could be several kill stopping roles too

Likely. But if there is SK/ full vigi, they would have to stop in average 1 kill/ night to even give me a chance to use power gained n8.

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I believe AKS' claim. I don't know if it's scum or town, though. But I am willing to wait and see.

Starbuck is town.

Good. Then vote outside {me, NPOM}, because NPOM is not happening today, and if we get close to DL with me/ him being the only big wagons, I get lynched.

Why isn't NPOM happening?

Town mislynching my top townread is simply not happening. Any other questions?

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So you know NPOM is a mislynch?

Yes. I am almost certain.

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IKS who is scum?

Drew
Pisskop



Gamma
others
chkflip

rude



NPOM
me

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