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Post Post #4  (isolation #0)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:26 pm

i rolled green this game and i love it

VOTE: saudade hi daddy

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Post Post #7  (isolation #1)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pm

VOTE: teacher i agree

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Post Post #16  (isolation #2)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:24 pm

this is surprisingly slow

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Post Post #22  (isolation #3)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:39 pm

can you vote teacher please?

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Post Post #23  (isolation #4)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:46 pm

In post 20, bob3141 wrote:Ok starting off if teacher flips town. Then no way does oskuka/Ydrasse have more than one scum in it.

Cant see two scum jumping on teacher pushingr after he had gained a 3rd vote so early. Scum tends not to push town wagons that high early. Let alone two.

I mean they’re probably not both scum but this is still a stretch imo

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Post Post #26  (isolation #5)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:58 pm

In post 24, Ydrasse wrote:if i didn’t out that one i would have had to sacrifice this one!!! i’m a baby at managing games

also bob is stretching but it’s prob w good intentions

why do you think it’s with good intentions

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Post Post #28  (isolation #6)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:10 pm

could just be an early attempt to look useful

It’s certainly less limiting than saying “x is town”

maybe they’re both town and so its not really limiting at all when one of them flips green

Here’s a limiting read for you: the three of them are not the scumteam!

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Post Post #30  (isolation #7)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:11 pm

can you tell me how you are not just basically saying anyone giving reads in rvs is probably town

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Post Post #34  (isolation #8)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:16 pm

why is ydrasse town? And why is osuka less likely to be town than osuka

I do not understand anything

Pedit: that was aimed at ydrasse not you

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Post Post #35  (isolation #9)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:17 pm

*osuka less likely to be town than Ydrasse

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Post Post #43  (isolation #10)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:36 pm

In post 30, innocentvillager wrote:can you tell me how you are not just basically saying anyone giving reads in rvs is probably town

can you vibe with this then?

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Post Post #45  (isolation #11)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:50 pm

sure thanks, that’s the second time you’ve said “specific” the first time with some attempt at explaining (not scummy because it “limits options”) the second just kind of saying it and giving up without trying to re-explain it

is it that scum don’t *notice* specific things or is it that scum don’t want to point out specific things when they do notice them, for some fear that it “limits their options” lategame? and my argument is if it’s the latter, why is it more limiting to say some very specific associative thing that actually seems less limiting than blanket read statements

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Post Post #46  (isolation #12)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:52 pm

In post 41, PlusJOYED wrote:[srs] Ydrasse is giving me subtle scumvibes rn.
They seem ... nervous? This is all gut feel and first impression though. It is the start of the game after all.

is there any reason you’re not voting there

how do you feel about the teacher wagon

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Post Post #50  (isolation #13)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:00 pm

In post 47, Ydrasse wrote:can you reword the second part of that post im trying to follow it and it feels a bit like word salad rn ):

im basically just asking why you think scum wouldn’t point out “specific things” early on

your justification of “because it limits their options” felt shaky to me because I don’t think pointing out specific things “limits their options” more than any normal read

hopefully that makes a little more sense sorry I word vomit a lot

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Post Post #51  (isolation #14)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:01 pm

In post 49, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: plusjoyed

'as long as teacher doesn't trip any big scumtells' doesn't sit right w me + the second part of it feels over-explainy

i agree with the sentiment behind this

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Post Post #53  (isolation #15)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:05 pm

well I have currently have my vote here and I like it

you don’t have a vote on anyone

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Post Post #57  (isolation #16)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:06 pm

oh well then ignore me asking why you didn’t vote ydrasse

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Post Post #61  (isolation #17)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:13 pm

what are you ???? about? I just didn’t realize you were on teacher

@ydrasse thanks last Q I think how does this tie into “limiting options” that you were talking about before, or does it just not

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Post Post #63  (isolation #18)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:14 pm

In post 59, PlusJOYED wrote:Or am I jumping to conclusions here?

regardless of my alignment you clearly are, lol

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Post Post #64  (isolation #19)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:16 pm

In post 58, osuka wrote:VOTE: innocentvillager is obvscumming

I have mixed feelings about this vote

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Post Post #68  (isolation #20)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:21 pm

i think we’re all possibly colored by what *we* would/wouldn’t do as scum

i know for a fact I’d do these things as either alignment

it’s also rvs, like there’s almost nothing you do that you just like get eliminated for

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Post Post #71  (isolation #21)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:23 pm

In post 66, teacher wrote:
In post 64, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 58, osuka wrote:VOTE: innocentvillager is obvscumming

I have mixed feelings about this vote

Coming in without any context whatsoever - still two pages back - I’d say this is omgussy

there isn’t a ton of context in the next two pages either

i said mixed feelings not bad feelings, so it’s more of a neutral statement than you’re making it seem

pedit: he’s either trolling or he’s that boneheaded town-type who thinks they’re an absolutely sick scum hunter and just provides free town equity

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Post Post #74  (isolation #22)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:23 pm

In post 70, PlusJOYED wrote:I don't think there's much else IV could have done to convince me he's scum for an experienced slot at least. Like 75% sure he's some kind of jester or scum. That's high enough for me to entertain a tunnel on him.

your probabilities are a bit off there? and I don’t follow your process at all for getting there

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Post Post #78  (isolation #23)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:26 pm

which mason member did I touch this time?

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Post Post #81  (isolation #24)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:29 pm

lol ok lmk when you have reasoning for me being scum

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Post Post #82  (isolation #25)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:30 pm

why is it that even when I try people still think I’m a jester

is it the avi

The vibe

I don’t shitpost any less than the rest of you

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Post Post #84  (isolation #26)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:31 pm

*any more

pedit: yeah me no likey lol

I would call that town alone but... plusjoyed can attest to ouroel in 2023 -_-

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Post Post #88  (isolation #27)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:35 pm

idk i was just trying to ease into conversation

I thought he was a cute nice newbie who was scared to vote his one scumread

little did I know :(

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Post Post #89  (isolation #28)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:35 pm

In post 85, Ydrasse wrote:i'd like to petition iv to be an honorary mason and exempt from any elims

i won’t let you down

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Post Post #91  (isolation #29)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:36 pm

im exaggerating now that I think about 2023 again but his first post certainly did give me the new game jitters vibe

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Post Post #98  (isolation #30)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:41 pm

Shelly is a mean scum who should be fear eliminated on day 1

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Post Post #103  (isolation #31)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:43 pm

you should try it and see how it goes!

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Post Post #104  (isolation #32)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:43 pm

In post 101, teacher wrote:Gotta be honest that entry felt self conscious/awkward but none of y’all who have history are reacting to it - is it standard?

which one

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Post Post #119  (isolation #33)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:49 pm

In post 101, teacher wrote:Gotta be honest that entry felt self conscious/awkward but none of y’all who have history are reacting to it - is it standard?


shellyc wrote:Listen I know some of you played with scum!me

... but this is town!me

PURE TOWNIE ENERGY
LOOK AT ME I'M SO TOWN

i buy town!shelly tbh

Shelly isn’t the self conscious scum type

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Post Post #124  (isolation #34)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:50 pm

In post 100, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 98, innocentvillager wrote:Shelly is a mean scum who should be fear eliminated on day 1

this is the first townie thing you've said all game

i feel like this is hilariously wrong because that wasn’t townie and ive probably done some other townie things by now I would think

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Post Post #129  (isolation #35)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:52 pm

this is the rvs energy i was waiting for

sadly i should probs go soon

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Post Post #134  (isolation #36)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:54 pm

you can’t hurt me any more than you already have!

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Post Post #139  (isolation #37)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:56 pm

i like how this game was like kind of serious on pages 2 and 3 and it’s back to this on page 6, silly me for thinking this might be an early rvs exit

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Post Post #143  (isolation #38)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:58 pm

ydrasse is town I agree

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Post Post #154  (isolation #39)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:02 pm

In post 151, shellyc wrote:Ydrasse is town aligned because I have a good vibe from them

plusjoy is town since they're playing like 2023 and they seem sincere

IV is town as their profile pic gives me a good vibe (and they townpassed me)

need to click twice for this to go through

i agree with all of this so Shelly is town

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Post Post #215  (isolation #40)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:39 pm

In post 190, Saudade wrote:I dont think ill mesh with this playerlist very well, hmm
Ill let you guys socialise and tell you whose scum and town

why do I fear this your attempt to justify your scum!lurkiness ahead

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Post Post #223  (isolation #41)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:03 pm

I like the pace of this game a lot

you post a lot when I’m here

And dont when I leave

please continue to do so

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Post Post #275  (isolation #42)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:11 pm

In post 642, innocentvillager wrote:i can do whatever i want bell lol whenever i feel like it lol as town or scum

@plusjoyed this is a quote from town!me in newbie 2023 that I believe is true especially for me but also in general

if you are judging my towniness this game solely based on how similar or dissimilar I am to 2023 you will get the wrong result probably

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Post Post #276  (isolation #43)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:14 pm

I’m kind of curious why osuka scumreads me but like I get that this probably shouldn’t be discussed in full

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Post Post #277  (isolation #44)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:15 pm

i have some thoughts on saudade too but i fear big brother eyes from someone watching over me

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Post Post #278  (isolation #45)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:16 pm

wouldn’t be surprised if kerset/saudade is TvS

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Post Post #279  (isolation #46)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:20 pm

In post 270, shellyc wrote:night saudade

plusjoy what do you reckon about my slot now? why are you lazily nullbinning me when i've posted things

In post 267, shellyc wrote:Saudade's posting reads fairly town to me

the emotion and motive is on point

what does this mean

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Post Post #280  (isolation #47)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:24 pm

sorry I only meant to quote the second one 267

VOTE: Kerset

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Post Post #283  (isolation #48)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:28 pm

here’s another readslist


plusjoyed is my only real TR
ydrasse is second, small townread
Shelly is a townlean (third)
bob, osuka are weak townleans

v slight scumlean on Kerset, Saudade but they’re probably not partners

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Post Post #284  (isolation #49)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:32 pm

Taylor might be a townlean
Menalque might be a scumlean

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Post Post #285  (isolation #50)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:33 pm

these are all completely serious and rational reads which should be taken as pure fact btw

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Post Post #287  (isolation #51)  » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:45 pm

I think you’re town,very well reasoned

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Post Post #329  (isolation #52)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:00 am

In post 323, PlusJOYED wrote:It varies person to person and case by case basis, and instinct/gut plays a pretty big role.

General scumtells are safe play, excessive agreeability or desire to please, pocketing, solves/reads are either too flexible or too rigid, not coming across as genuine/appearing to have ulterior motives outside of solving, and/or trying too hard to appear town among other things

This next part is flawed logic, however...
If a player comes across to me as experienced and/or has a join date before 2016 I hold them to a higher standard. They can probably appear town or scum to an extent how they wish. So depending on this I may insert a level of WIFOM to them if they appear partly town or scum depending on circumstance. I.E. an experienced player obvscumming but appears to be solving their way is likely town and an experienced obvtown player with a few cracks of scumtells is likely scum to me.

Headed to bed for now

...is this part of why you scumread me lol

I thought you found my posts scummy in general though?

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Post Post #330  (isolation #53)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:03 am

i don’t think I’m “agreeable” or sheepy idk why this label has been slapped on me

I have reads a lot earlier than I say them publicly sometimes

idk how much I vibed with Shellys actual thought process but I agreed with ydrasse and plusjoyed town as my main reads at the time

Ydrasse has a... massive presence this game which seems genuine and the one scumgame ive seen of her was anything but that

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Post Post #331  (isolation #54)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:09 am

In post 292, PlusJOYED wrote:why? why would you say that? that sounds so scummy

everytime I think about second guessing my hard SR on you you just say something scummy again

why exactly is this scummy to you? why would I necessarily say this at all as scum?

I’m not trying to say it’s townie but I do think in general you should look more behind the intention/motivation of the posts rather than the actual content people choose to produce

if I’m being cagey about something I probably have a reason to be that shouldn’t be discussed for reasons

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Post Post #332  (isolation #55)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:11 am

In post 312, shellyc wrote:
In post 307, PlusJOYED wrote:I can see how you would see the discrepancy as being AI but in reality I just learned a lot from that first game and gained more confidence in my reads since they turned out pretty close. It's NAI but you don't have to believe me.


IMO confidence is a scumtell

being confident indicates that you are sure about your reads

scum are INFORMED and know if they are right or wrong

this is super situation and context dependent I don’t think these sweeping tells matter

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Post Post #338  (isolation #56)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:41 am

sorry plus I’m not being clear, I’m specifically referring to the latter half of that post about “wifom”. I am an experience player with join date before 2016 so it seems like you would townread me by that logic but you maintain I’m scummy

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Post Post #339  (isolation #57)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:41 am

In post 335, shellyc wrote:not saying that's a very AI thing but agreeing with others does not help us scumhunt

i disagree I think agreeing says a lot

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Post Post #342  (isolation #58)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:47 am

it gives people a sense of who believes it and who doesn’t

like if you agreed with something genuinely you would still say it that doesn’t make you scum

while hot takes are cool not everything needs to be a hot take for it to be pro town

sometimes the consensus is just kind of right

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Post Post #349  (isolation #59)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:28 am

yeah I don’t think plus is scum

osuka yeah I get it. what do you think about plus and shelly alignment wise

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Post Post #358  (isolation #60)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:36 am

mena do you have zero townpings? I think you sort of mentioned saudade but that seemed weak

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Post Post #360  (isolation #61)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:37 am

true ninja

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Post Post #363  (isolation #62)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:38 am

In post 354, osuka wrote:Shelly is an interesting one because there’s _something_ off about that slot in terms of behavior. very nervous vibes that I don’t know whether to attribute to nervous newbie or nervous scum. I’d say scumlean but not a solid read there yet

for context she has rolled scum in 2019 (?) and 2023 and both times decimated town who mostly townread her

she clearly can play scum and isn’t really the nervous type

If that gives you more context

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Post Post #368  (isolation #63)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:40 am

oh ya forgot about teacher thanks

your ydrasse scumread is a hot take if you haven’t noticed, how do you feel about that

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Post Post #374  (isolation #64)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:42 am

In post 370, PlusJOYED wrote:Bob is actually my strongest TR atm, funny since he's posted little. I just don't see scum!bob going for that opener

I can see why you believe this and it seems townie

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Post Post #386  (isolation #65)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:50 am

i am on menas side here those do feel different

It is not anti town to claim ascetic

It is obviously is to claim mason and that was a lol claim

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Post Post #411  (isolation #66)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:39 am

In post 404, Ydrasse wrote:mena your vibes feel off....... are you scum?

i feel this kinda

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Post Post #413  (isolation #67)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:50 am

ehh I don’t know how to feel about mena slot

it feels postury but I can’t really explain why thsi doesn’t come from town

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Post Post #414  (isolation #68)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:52 am

I think I need someone brilliant to help me out here

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Post Post #416  (isolation #69)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:56 am

maybe, i don’t really know what to ask though atm, you’ve given your stances and explained most of them

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Post Post #417  (isolation #70)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:57 am

hmm maybe we can start with your saudade read

you were gut town on them earlier what changed

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Post Post #418  (isolation #71)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:58 am

also does your read scale imply teacher is less townie than osuka, plus, Taylor are scummy?

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Post Post #421  (isolation #72)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:02 am

I will say not understand someone else’s thoughts/finding them contradictory is not necessarily a scumtell, I do implore people to keep that in mind, scum are more careful about this than town are in general

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Post Post #423  (isolation #73)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:03 am

In post 195, Menalque wrote:And my gut says saudade townie?

gotcha but yeah this

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Post Post #428  (isolation #74)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:07 am

yeah actually mena/plus might be TvT

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Post Post #431  (isolation #75)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:09 am

In post 429, Ydrasse wrote:plus you are a treasure chest full of confusion

this is why he’s town

I think my Taylor townread qualifies as a hot take at this point

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Post Post #434  (isolation #76)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:10 am

In post 433, Menalque wrote:You’re TRing Taylor? Why?

that’s a great question!

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Post Post #443  (isolation #77)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:15 am

In post 442, PlusJOYED wrote:you know who is town and who is scum

well you’re right about that part

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Post Post #447  (isolation #78)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:21 am

Same way i pegged all the scum in poe of 5 players in my last game. After repping into my slot only the day before.

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Post Post #453  (isolation #79)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:22 am

In post 451, teacher wrote:because that’s almost never the D1 lynch

VOTE: Teacher

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Post Post #455  (isolation #80)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:24 am

scum rxn.

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Post Post #527  (isolation #81)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:41 pm

In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

this is weird I don’t understand why you give up my push when like the same number of people scumread me as townread me and there are a decent number of people who have not committed to a reason on me

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Post Post #528  (isolation #82)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:41 pm

*read on me

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Post Post #532  (isolation #83)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:52 pm

kerset and osuka aren’t like my biggest fans

and there’s plenty of slots who haven’t opinioned on me

like the alternative are that much easier or something? no one in this game really has more scumread support necessarily, like maybeee taylor

it just doesn’t really make sense to me why you back off pushing me

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Post Post #533  (isolation #84)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:54 pm

is kerset usually like this D1? I only remember him tryhard replacng into a solo scum slot in mini 2156 and almost winning

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Post Post #540  (isolation #85)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:57 pm

I know I’m town and I know you realize I’m town regardless of your alignment, lol

pedit: yep i agree saudade, menal ydr plus are my top TRs I think

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Post Post #543  (isolation #86)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:02 pm

I think I like my vote

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Post Post #546  (isolation #87)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:13 pm

yeah saudade that was a bit unfairly harsh lol

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Post Post #552  (isolation #88)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:46 pm

same

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Post Post #580  (isolation #89)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:09 pm

In post 576, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 532, innocentvillager wrote:kerset and osuka aren’t like my biggest fans

and there’s plenty of slots who haven’t opinioned on me

like the alternative are that much easier or something? no one in this game really has more scumread support necessarily, like maybeee taylor

it just doesn’t really make sense to me why you back off pushing me

why does it sound like you want to vote where the most other people want to vote rather than vote where you think the scummiest person is?

what does the quote have to do with your question...?

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Post Post #582  (isolation #90)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:10 pm

shouldn’t you be asking plus this question?

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Post Post #583  (isolation #91)  » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:10 pm

this is all about plus not me

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Post Post #626  (isolation #92)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:20 pm

...can you give an example of an actual "scumslip" lol and why it's a scumslip?

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Post Post #627  (isolation #93)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:23 pm

In post 619, Menalque wrote:Okay specifically I don’t get this read? Like I think these are all things (behaviourally) that scum ydrasse is just as capable of manifesting as town ydrasse, so idg how you’re moving from these into declaring her as like strong town with a strong town mindset

can scum!ydrasse actually do this? i only ahve one datapoint but the answer is no to me

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Post Post #697  (isolation #94)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:41 pm

yeah think it’s time to raise the bar for townleans :/

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Post Post #699  (isolation #95)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:45 pm

{plus, ydrasse, menal}
{shelly, andres}
{Taylor}
{ndmath, bob, kerset, Saudade, osuka}
{teacher}

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Post Post #703  (isolation #96)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:49 pm

Stream of consciousness/genuine solvy vibe, reevaluates, good posting overall that is hard not impossible for scum to fake

Probably not as town as you and ydr I think but still up there

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Post Post #706  (isolation #97)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:51 pm

u shouldn’t be ur in my PoE :(

pedit: I disagree in general

Maybe player specific it is nai

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Post Post #708  (isolation #98)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:57 pm

You’re a class all your own

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Post Post #714  (isolation #99)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:04 pm

In post 230, PlusJOYED wrote:bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

this is your reasoning for him being a townie god?

he could “believe it” and also be scum

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Post Post #715  (isolation #100)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:06 pm

In post 714, innocentvillager wrote:going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck

you better have other reasoning because there’s no way your analysis here warrants townie god

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Post Post #717  (isolation #101)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:07 pm

I feel like I should just stop interacting with you because I strongly believe you’re town and we disagree so vehemently anyway and I’m wasting my time probably but I can’t help myself

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Post Post #719  (isolation #102)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:10 pm

nothing you say makes sense in the context of other things you say or other things really

your case on me seems contradictory and I don’t get it whatsoever

your bob townread makes no sense

I think I’m going to try harder to ignore you, please don’t take offense or personally I think our play styles just don’t mesh this game

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Post Post #721  (isolation #103)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:17 pm

wow, was that all it took to win you over

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Post Post #722  (isolation #104)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:18 pm

I do think people pushing you has to have scum in it

There’s like too much content to push

I will look at this later I think

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Post Post #727  (isolation #105)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:15 pm

In post 722, innocentvillager wrote:I do think people pushing you has to have scum in it

There’s like too much content to push

I will look at this later I think

i think i retract this but there's no way scum hasn't commented on plus's weird reads to fabricate content

but idk if that's like everyone LOL

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Post Post #732  (isolation #106)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:22 pm

i think it is quite townie for shelly to actively say confidence is a scumtell and yet project a confident tone mostly herself

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Post Post #735  (isolation #107)  » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:31 pm

andres, i have a question: what do you think scum!shelly does in this plist? she seems town!me, town!plus, town!andres here from 2023 knowing she was scum, you think she tries to play the same way? you have to account for some possible expansion of her scumrange given all this

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Post Post #976  (isolation #108)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:11 pm

I haven’t posted here in a day apparently

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Post Post #977  (isolation #109)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:11 pm

do people still think teacher is town

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Post Post #979  (isolation #110)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:00 pm

why am I scum taylor

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Post Post #981  (isolation #111)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:32 pm

that was obviously a joke

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Post Post #982  (isolation #112)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:33 pm

I don’t really have a case on you or necessarily scumread you but I am kinda suspicious

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Post Post #983  (isolation #113)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:34 pm

I guess I mostly just don’t see why people think you’re town

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Post Post #987  (isolation #114)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:45 pm

eh I’m not really around btw just casually on my phone rn

I don’t think plus has much experience with scum and the thoughts are like all too specific and weird and it comes in a way and fluidity that seems very very difficult to fake

If I had to say it in one sentence that what it would be

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Post Post #988  (isolation #115)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:46 pm

In post 986, teacher wrote:and it’s not like the game hasn’t matured to the point where you should have scumreads, y?

you’d be surprised

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Post Post #991  (isolation #116)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:48 pm

I think I like to scumhunt by town hunting and keeping a PoE of boring or null ish players that don’t ping my towny vibes much

this is my strategy I default to when I’m not high efforting that is I think

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Post Post #992  (isolation #117)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:49 pm

VOTE: kerset ok

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Post Post #994  (isolation #118)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:50 pm

yeah I guess I don’t really like case or have scumreads easily

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Post Post #1002  (isolation #119)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:01 pm

let’s keep him at E-2 for a bit

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Post Post #1005  (isolation #120)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:03 pm

large honest fruit

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Post Post #1008  (isolation #121)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:04 pm

I get the sense that menal was obvtowning but idk mena well enough if scum!mena can do that

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Post Post #1010  (isolation #122)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:05 pm

I do not believe scum!Plus can do that

or scum!Ydrasse to a lesser extent

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Post Post #1014  (isolation #123)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:07 pm

i like when saudaddy said “plus guy is weird but probably town” that felt townish maybe

pedit: agree lhf is generally nai

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Post Post #1016  (isolation #124)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:09 pm

In post 537, Saudade wrote:Joy guy a bit weird im not sure probably town

this quote

and yeah

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Post Post #1019  (isolation #125)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:10 pm

you’re the one calling kerset lhf teacher

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Post Post #1021  (isolation #126)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:11 pm

also if I have a town pool and a bunch of nais their scum equity is higher than 25% even if they have done nothing AI

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Post Post #1023  (isolation #127)  » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:13 pm

saudade is the nuance in the deflection thing

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Post Post #1076  (isolation #128)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:05 am

kerset can you like provide some content though

i don’t know if I TR saudade but he has a point about your slot

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Post Post #1095  (isolation #129)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:43 am

In post 1077, teacher wrote:
In post 1026, teacher wrote:
In post 1021, innocentvillager wrote:also if I have a town pool and a bunch of nais their scum equity is higher than 25% even if they have done nothing AI

Remind me of your town pool then?

Ydrasse plus

Lesser extent mena Shelly andres

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Post Post #1098  (isolation #130)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:54 am

[redacted due to rule break]

might still post too much anyway though because I can’t help myself might not
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Post Post #1107  (isolation #131)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:27 am

In post 1103, Datisi wrote:please do not publically discuss replacing out, thank you~


ahh sorry forgot about this rule

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Post Post #1128  (isolation #132)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:45 pm

In post 1122, Kerset wrote:
In post 1120, osuka wrote:wouldn't you say that natural curiousness is a towny trait rather than a scummy one?

yes it is and it was present in his towngame, the fact it disappeared is my concern

I actually appreciate this observation about me because I never really realized this was a trend but it makes sense

certainly that is a scum reason for my “natural inquisitiveness” to die, that I was just tired and exhausted of faking it, and I almost don’t doubt whatsoever that scum!me does get tired of that facade very quickly because I. Hate. Scum

there is a town!me explanation for this though, obviously I would believe so since I am town, another input into this function is simply a matter of engagement with the gamestate and how caught up I am/if other people happen to be around

If I feel like I’m just playing catch up a lot I find it higher effort to interact inquisitively I think and because I am a lazy person as town or scum I don’t to force myself into trying to interact more and just kind of update my thoughts. I see now especially this is one place I can try to put more effort towards as either alignment

Anyway This I believe is all NAI to some degree, potentially slightly scum!me indicative so I understand the read. But I am also curious how this read evolved on me over time because your vote has remained static on me this whole game, my impression was you found me scummy out the get go and I am slightly surprised to see you were actually townreading me for my opening inquisitions

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Post Post #1149  (isolation #133)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:48 pm

mini 2156 launch mob is kersets recent scumgame (idk if most most recent)

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Post Post #1153  (isolation #134)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:17 pm

the urgency of the unvote by saudade seems towny feel like as scum he wouldn’t mind letting the L-1 sit

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Post Post #1154  (isolation #135)  » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:17 pm

also the lack of justification

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Post Post #1181  (isolation #136)  » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:45 pm

there needs more obvtown slots in this game

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Post Post #1183  (isolation #137)  » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:48 pm

tbh a lot of meh apart from you and plus who I like feel okay about

Maybe I need to actually high effort this but I don’t think that’s gonna happen

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Post Post #1186  (isolation #138)  » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:52 pm

why, am I too deepwolfy for you

kerset idk

As scum it’s wifomy to get us to think he’s different from scumgame

As town it’s just... his town!self

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Post Post #1188  (isolation #139)  » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:54 pm

why would you think that

or that I think that

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Post Post #1379  (isolation #140)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:36 am

no i do not finally understand

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Post Post #1381  (isolation #141)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:39 am

why can’t they

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Post Post #1382  (isolation #142)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:40 am

In post 1376, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1331, Menalque wrote:
In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent


Is this pinging anyone else

It’s pinging *me*. It sounds planned. How does plus go from:
In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

To that post I don’t know. Like it doesn’t sound like a plus thought.

Can you elaborate I’m not following you

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Post Post #1384  (isolation #143)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:43 am

ok

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Post Post #1389  (isolation #144)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:07 pm

In post 1385, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1382, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1376, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1331, Menalque wrote:
In post 1317, PlusJOYED wrote:if kerset is red i think osuka is town
i don't see scum osuka not pursuing another wagon while his scum bud dies day 1
same for teacher but to a lesser extent


Is this pinging anyone else

It’s pinging *me*. It sounds planned. How does plus go from:
In post 424, PlusJOYED wrote:I'm still leaning towards IV being scum the most but if only me, shelly, and lurkerman think so and the rest think IV is town there's not much I can do since the read is pretty gut based. I'm willing to join on a taylor wagon though since they seem second scummiest.

To that post I don’t know. Like it doesn’t sound like a plus thought.

Can you elaborate I’m not following you

If Kerset flips Scum, does your mind immediately go okay Osuka is probably Town because they unvoted there and didn’t push anyone else to save their buddy? Is that your first conclusion?

no but none of plus’s other conclusions are my first conclusion either, I don’t see how it’s scummy

I don’t think it’s tmi if kerset flips green also lol

if he flips red we can worry about plus later

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Post Post #1390  (isolation #145)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 pm

In post 1386, Andresvmb wrote:Never mind that we should be waiting on an actual flip to draw some of these conclusions btw. Which seems TMI’ish to me.

you think anyone speculating on this kind of stuff is a TMI scumtel?

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Post Post #1393  (isolation #146)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:12 pm

maybe

I mean do you expect town!plus to really have static posting and approaching the exact same way across the whole game even as we start to near our first flip of the game

and why does scum!plus say this if kerset flips green

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Post Post #1395  (isolation #147)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:14 pm

In post 1392, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1390, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1386, Andresvmb wrote:Never mind that we should be waiting on an actual flip to draw some of these conclusions btw. Which seems TMI’ish to me.

you think anyone speculating on this kind of stuff is a TMI scumtel?

There’s no balance in that post. There’s no if Kerset flips Scum, you know this could be the case. However, if Kerset flips Town, then this other thing might be true.

i don’t understand why this is scummy

for someone of plus’s play style it’s even more possible that his thoughts are incomplete and random

if x then y (without mentioning if not x) doesn’t necessarily mean he’s likely to know that x is true, maybe we disagree on this

scum!plus isn’t exactly doing a great job of bussing/defending scum!kerset

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Post Post #1396  (isolation #148)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:15 pm

I feel like to read plus we have to approach it from town!plus angle not town!andres angle

I get the sense you’re sort of trying to compensate for that but I think it’s harder to do something like this than we think

idk maybe I’m just biased bc I townread his earlier posting

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Post Post #1397  (isolation #149)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 1394, Andresvmb wrote:It’s not about being static all game. This is still D1. The only person that I’m seeing really try to give wagon analysis without flips as far as I can tell is Bob. And I have a good feeling as to why that is. And no I won’t expand on that.

yeah but as we said we’re nearing our first read flip of the game so it’s not surprising that someone would try to speculate on conditional outcomes as the thoughts come to us when there was no point to doing so before

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Post Post #1401  (isolation #150)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:21 pm

In post 1398, Andresvmb wrote:For someone having incomplete and random thoughts, the train of thought that ends in if Kerset is Scum, osuka is Town for unvoting and not pushing someone else to protect their buddy seems mighty elaborate to me.

i don’t think incomplete and random is the opposite of elaborate whatsoever

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Post Post #1402  (isolation #151)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:22 pm

this is like bob-page 1 osuka/ydrasse not the scumteam-level thought but you townread bob for whatever reasons so whatever

I’m not trying to bring up bob So don’t respond about bob lol

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Post Post #1405  (isolation #152)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pm

In post 1399, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway there’s been more than a few things that have sort of pinged me on plus. I’m decidedly negative on the slot, and it isn’t just these latest posts. Their speculation around the Roles and trying to argue that one of NDMath/Me was Scum because of it seemed super fishy too.

it is like kind of weird that two roles in the same game would want to claim immediately so I don’t see why you’re getting scum pints from that necessarily, NAI at best imo

why super fishy?

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Post Post #1417  (isolation #153)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 1406, Andresvmb wrote:Okay but IV read the rest of plus’ posts. Like take a look at their ISO. They pointed to you tripping some Scum Tells and making mistakes and when directly asked to back that up, they refused. So many of the reads seem gut based, and then there’s the comment about how Kerset’s AVI is cute (which I think has been made a few times). How can you not see that the post sticks out somewhat?

i understand it kind of sticks out but I don’t see why it is scummy especially given I have argued it can indeed come from town!plus given the gamestate

pedit: so that his read shift on me is scummy too? I don’t mind it at all, and not just from a bc I’m town facetious standpoint, and I don’t think town is any more likely to provide explanation than scummy

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Post Post #1419  (isolation #154)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:28 pm

In post 1413, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1405, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1399, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway there’s been more than a few things that have sort of pinged me on plus. I’m decidedly negative on the slot, and it isn’t just these latest posts. Their speculation around the Roles and trying to argue that one of NDMath/Me was Scum because of it seemed super fishy too.

it is like kind of weird that two roles in the same game would want to claim immediately so I don’t see why you’re getting scum pints from that necessarily, NAI at best imo

why super fishy?

This is bad. Ascetic and Miller have specific reasons for wanting to claim that should be obvious to you.

um I know this I did skim the wiki

I’m saying it does stick out a bit like why these two would both be in the same setup, or at least that it’s a plausible thought

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Post Post #1421  (isolation #155)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:29 pm

i think this discussion is good and yes my vote is on kerset

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Post Post #1423  (isolation #156)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:30 pm

sorry andres I am just generally a nonbeliever in scumtells for some stubborn reason, it takes a lot to convince me with reasoning someone is scummy but let’s keep talking sometime about plus

my scumreads have usually been gut pings

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Post Post #1442  (isolation #157)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:46 pm

VOTE: Kerset fine

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Post Post #1443  (isolation #158)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:47 pm

hopefully he’s scum

Kerset?

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Post Post #1450  (isolation #159)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:53 pm

guess we just wait for the flip

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Post Post #1453  (isolation #160)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:53 pm

i agree tbh

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Post Post #1455  (isolation #161)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:54 pm

If kerset flips red the partners are osuka and teacher

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Post Post #1458  (isolation #162)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:56 pm

my bad humor is lost once again

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Post Post #1470  (isolation #163)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:13 pm

im sorry if this flips green I was just bored and i thought it would be fun to just see what he flips

if he flips red I’m a fucking genus

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Post Post #1473  (isolation #164)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:14 pm

In post 1471, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1469, Menalque wrote:Wait

DON’T

don’t what...?

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Post Post #1506  (isolation #165)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:41 pm

a pagetop for daddy daddisi

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Post Post #1514  (isolation #166)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:43 pm

In post 1508, Kerset wrote:
In post 1504, Menalque wrote:Kerset are you gated at all?

Why would you benefit from learning my gate at this stage of game?

i would benefit can you pm me

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Post Post #1518  (isolation #167)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:45 pm

hm yeah this reaction makes me think he is gated

I’m going to try a bit to get it out of him

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Post Post #1519  (isolation #168)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:46 pm

sorry I’m delirious and talking to myself if you can’t tell

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Post Post #1533  (isolation #169)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:13 pm

lol can you imagine if mistook that for the scum PT

they are literally different colors it’s not possible to mess that up

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Post Post #1546  (isolation #170)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:21 pm

that post was only scummy if you actually thought I mistook it for scum PT

It’s not possivle the colors are different

Like I said I’m delirious and bored and I was talking to myself idk

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Post Post #1547  (isolation #171)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:22 pm

please, I am not scum, don’t get distracted

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Post Post #1552  (isolation #172)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:25 pm

I am a vanilla tonwie

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Post Post #1554  (isolation #173)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:26 pm

please I’m sorry I’m in a weird mood and may be under some influence ugh I should just resist the urge to post during these times

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Post Post #1555  (isolation #174)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:26 pm

well I was obviously going to be

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Post Post #1558  (isolation #175)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:29 pm

goddammit why do I get D1d when I am town it was going fine

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Post Post #1560  (isolation #176)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:29 pm

please unvote someone

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Post Post #1561  (isolation #177)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:30 pm

like I said they are literally different colors it could not have been a scumslip

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Post Post #1564  (isolation #178)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:30 pm

please, if you look in your hearts you will know that I am town I don’t know what else to say this case is being forced

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Post Post #1566  (isolation #179)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:31 pm

<3 ydrasse

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Post Post #1569  (isolation #180)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:33 pm

In post 1554, innocentvillager wrote:please I’m sorry I’m in a weird mood and may be under some influence ugh I should just resist the urge to post during these times

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Post Post #1570  (isolation #181)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:34 pm

but no one has responded to the colors are different that is a very strong defense

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Post Post #1571  (isolation #182)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:35 pm

In post 1567, Ydrasse wrote:did you think it’d be a funny haha moment for us? i just don’t get it

there’s nothing to get, I don’t know, I’m weird, people do weird things like talk to themselves in thread, let’s move on

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Post Post #1574  (isolation #183)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:36 pm

they are completely different colors

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Post Post #1577  (isolation #184)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:38 pm

so why is it scummy then andres? why does scum!me post that if I didn’t mess up the PTs

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Post Post #1579  (isolation #185)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:40 pm

I think you should ask yourself this question more in general instead of just calling weird things or things you cannot follow scummy

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Post Post #1580  (isolation #186)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:40 pm

In post 1578, Andresvmb wrote:Because you did mess up the PTs.

that is an awful lot of confidence, are you scum?o

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Post Post #1583  (isolation #187)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:42 pm

well specifically what kind of gated they were not if they were gated or not

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Post Post #1584  (isolation #188)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:43 pm

andres how confident are you I will flip scum? Like would you bet your life on it

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Post Post #1586  (isolation #189)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:43 pm

just want to peer inside your scum-o-meter

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Post Post #1590  (isolation #190)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 pm

In post 1587, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1584, innocentvillager wrote:andres how confident are you I will flip scum? Like would you bet your life on it

I think you're Scum like 99.99% of the time.

hm andres Is probably town

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Post Post #1592  (isolation #191)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:46 pm

it was meant to be in thread

I get like stream of consciousness to an extreme sometimes and only after I posted did I realize it kind of sounded a bit strange

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Post Post #1594  (isolation #192)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:47 pm

idk, I was just lol!curious and don’t see why he didn’t just fullclaim

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Post Post #1597  (isolation #193)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:48 pm

andres is town from this

Ydrasse probably too

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Post Post #1599  (isolation #194)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:48 pm

it was self conscious because I posted 1518 without thinking

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Post Post #1600  (isolation #195)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:48 pm

idk is it anti town?

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Post Post #1601  (isolation #196)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:50 pm

the people who ran to my wagon are probably not scum fwiw

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Post Post #1602  (isolation #197)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:50 pm

ehh weak read

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Post Post #1604  (isolation #198)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:52 pm

oh man what a great D1 for scum

Town!iv “slips” and free elim of an obvtown -_-

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Post Post #1606  (isolation #199)  » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:52 pm

In post 1601, innocentvillager wrote:the people who ran to my wagon are probably not scum fwiw

reason here being i probably get eliminated without scum needing to full back my wagon but idk maybe scum will just unabashedly jump on me

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