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Post Post #1716 (isolation #200) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:32 pm

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I feel really really really really lost rn.
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Post Post #1717 (isolation #201) » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:24 pm

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Dunstral, do you have a scum read yet?
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #202) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:24 am

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In post 1722, GuiltyLion wrote:yall need to sheep me on Bell whether it's today or D3 after you chop me
Whooo boy.
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #203) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:26 am

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Why do you think you’re the wagon when ydrasse is at e-1 and you’re at e-2?
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #204) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:27 am

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I stand corrected, e-2 and e-3 respectively.
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #205) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:33 am

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okay Guilty. If i’m not scum who is scum?
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #206) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:31 pm

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I just slept all day. :(
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #207) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:33 pm

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VOTE: Ydrasse

Time to see if my initial read was correct. At least I won’t drive myself crazy this time by letting someone I doubted into melo. Without confirming them first.
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #208) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:36 pm

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I do not feel good today.
Ew.
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #209) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:37 pm

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RIP, we come from the earth and to the earth we shall return.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #210) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:37 pm

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Ydrasse doesn’t seem the type.
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #211) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:39 pm

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Suddenly, I wonder if all the trees play a 2 billion grid game of tick tack toe with each other.
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #212) » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:40 pm

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This is correct dunstrall.
I feel like shit.
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Post Post #1838 (isolation #213) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:47 am

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Oh, Ydrasse. That was Disney evil.
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #214) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:49 am

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Farren, leaves unlikely to be scum.

Isis, MT, GL. Possible for scum.
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #215) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:54 am

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ydrasse bullied tea leaves.
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #216) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:54 am

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In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bell can you answer my question? Even a simple “I don’t remember” is fine.
Thread exploded let me look.
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Post Post #1849 (isolation #217) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:59 am

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In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bell can you expand on your paranoia around the time you voted me? I want to understand some of the inner mechanisms of how those votes moved.
Okay. Ydrasse didn’t vote you and town read you when presented the opportunity to do the opposite in a precarious position. when I thought from a survivalist perspective she wouldn’t do that. Other than that, good ol’ paranoia and lack of confidence in my own reads and ideas.
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #218) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:01 am

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I wouldn’t have shown up an hour and 30 minutes before deadline to hammer my partner. Might as well sleep in more and pretend the game didn’t exist.
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Post Post #1859 (isolation #219) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:05 am

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You guys are so frantic.
I’d ask you to chill.
But maybe it’ll help me read you.
Proceed.
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #220) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:07 am

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You should do your trig homework.
Dead line is an *eternity* from now.
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Post Post #1878 (isolation #221) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:23 am

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The likelihood you’re wrong about me being scum
is
~100%~
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Post Post #1879 (isolation #222) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:25 am

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Also, also, Ydrasse didn’t self hammer and I would’ve respected that and let her tough it out.
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Post Post #1882 (isolation #223) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:30 am

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Also, 100%
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #224) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:52 am

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i should probably go reread the game again before I say it. But I do think that isis genuinely didn't Realize she wasn’t voting Ydrasse. Which points away from scum her.

That game sounds interesting Farren. I’d probably have lost that game along with the town too.
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Post Post #1895 (isolation #225) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:38 pm

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I sort of assumed you were already voting her since you said you didn’t think GL was scum
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Post Post #1896 (isolation #226) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:39 pm

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Only person off wagon was isis Dunn. :lol:
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Post Post #1897 (isolation #227) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:45 pm

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In post 1820, tea leaves wrote:
In post 1552, Morning Tweet wrote:VOTE: Guilty

hahah i got a spot on the wagon
This vote is also super strange. It comes after Ydrasse did that scummy L-1 vote on Hobbes, and we all discuss how scummy that is and momentum starts to shift back to Ydrasse from Hobbes. Queue Morning coming in putting Hobbes right back on L-1.

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Post Post #1899 (isolation #228) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:49 pm

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My one complaint from isis this day phase is the complaining about the game balance.
....I would have said if she didn’t regularly contribute to set up reviews.
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #229) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:01 pm

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Thinking.

Ydrasse buddied up to isis.
She tried to kill tealeaves. I think she was taking the lead on that push.
Yesterday she got behind the guiltylion wagon.
Guilty voted her back after initial agitation.
Farren pressed pretty hard on the eject ydrasse button. Very townie today imo.
Morning tweet’s writing style is all wrong for scum her.
But on the other hand, we just learned that ydrasse can either fake her chill or just had a good game.

Mmmm. I guess I don’t know how ydrasse would interact with her scum partner
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Post Post #1909 (isolation #230) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:04 pm

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Yeah, I don’t think it’s tealeaves. Enough where i’m Gunna put him out of the running. I’m probably not going to vote him this game
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #231) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:48 am

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Mountains or sea.
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Post Post #1929 (isolation #232) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:28 am

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Did I misread mena? :?
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Post Post #1930 (isolation #233) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:35 am

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In post 179, Ydrasse wrote:i've come out of the last page or two townreading clidd + menalque. mt to a lesser degree but still in my townreads. i think that the back and forth between the former was maneuvered in a way that settled some of the weird feelings i had towards the line of question from mena, of which mt voiced. also this is because i am tired and only really looking over the last few pages now. :>

i liked gamma's opening (it made me feel special... and also it was super bold) and i don't remember anything about farren right now or much of the others right now but that is an issue for after i sleep.

while it's hypocritical to say that like... activity =/= alignment it does feel like the towniest people right now are the people posting the most right now?
In post 283, Ydrasse wrote:i think that morning tweet is town!
In post 285, Ydrasse wrote:the reason for that townread in particular is that i think her open-mindedness this game thus far feels townier than not? like, i don't think she's hedging when she says she doesn't know something and isn't looking for someone to supply her the answers so much as wanting to collaborate with everyone if that makes sense?
In post 377, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 375, GuiltyLion wrote:^this is a good question, I didn't mind tea's comments on it in the catchup but repeating it in doesn't really feel like a meaningful or useful push

also @Dunn, the main thing that stood out to me re:Ydrasse was she came in and answered a question about MT, gave justification for it that suggests she's current with the game, but didn't share any thoughts on Clidd, the main wagon and the person she's voting.
i haven't moved my vote since i arrived in this game so that point is moot imo. i explained already why the cliddslot was my choice.

i also think that implying that i'm not trying to solve is unfair, because i am trying to sort people! i'm not being stingy with my reads but i simply didn't have the energy nor time to sit down and properly wrangle anything to do with this game; it was easy to answer the question directed at me because i already had a read on mt from conversation prior.

now though, i am actually going to give my thoughts and try to see if the tentative poe i was toying around with makes any sense. :>
In post 379, Ydrasse wrote:i like farren quite a bit. :> am adding him to my townpile.
In post 380, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 364, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 269, Morning Tweet wrote:@Guilty, i'll add this on to my other question in 232, who were you referring to as the "more active posters" when you said one is very likely to be scum?
yeah I was just about to address this when I saw your latest post

I think you're seeing that comment as something meant to vaguely shade slots like Mena without doing so by name, but my intent was more to push clidd on what I saw as a really reachy assertion about scumreads. I can see how I maybe got slightly carried away making my point in the abstract with the 'foothold' comment rather than focusing on specific players here, probably because I don't have a solid grip on how I feel about the game myself. It doesn't feel like anyone has really pushed to do anything yet
piggybacking off of this to say that i agree wrt to the state of the game; it feels that only in the last few pages have people really started to try and push harder to form wagons and talk things out;

^ to the last post too: i feel that farren's energy throughout the game so far though has sort of strayed away from the... laziness??? not laziness but low-key energy fmpov and been more proactive without it becoming more of a driving force in a Bad Way. it's more probing to figure out how people are gonna reply and i am a fan of that.
In post 387, Ydrasse wrote:my townread on clidd was mainly based on the way that he maneuvered that discussion about meta with mena; i thought that the resolution it came to was Pleasant which boded well? it felt like a good discussion that didn't end up with anyone coming out of it like... looking bad.

my qualms with your case against him are sort of nitpicky i think.

p-edit: why is it scum indicative?
In post 395, Ydrasse wrote:i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?
In post 397, Ydrasse wrote:i talked myself into this actually

VOTE: guiltylion
In post 474, Ydrasse wrote:will not be around to Properly talk/etc but @tea, what about guilty feels off to you? i remember your slot's predecessor saying the exact same thing and i'm wondering if you can verbalize it a bit better?
In post 523, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 445, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 395, Ydrasse wrote:i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?
In post 396, Ydrasse wrote:like, i guess it seems like a macro assessment of things (that i agreed with, no one pushing anything with vengeance) that zooms in onto me for reasons that don't hold much weight fmpov (the vote and me not trying to find the baddies) which seems... contradictory? in how to view the game as a whole.
how am I not being cognizant of the game state?

like from my view - I'm re-evaluating clidd slot and pressuring a slot that has been voting him the whole game yet not seemingly updating that read based on the content he's given. That leads me to decide to vote/pressure you. Why can you not imagine this coming from a town!GL perspective?
going back to this b4 i visit the Tea Points but i was saying you WERE cognizant of it, which was why the zoom in felt... jarring i guess? but like i said that is by virtue of it being on me i think. also again i think that the voting point is kinda pointless because... clidd was my rvs vote and not something i was actively pushing. i consider you to be my first i guess meaningful vote?

i can see it coming from a town perspective but admittedly i don't feel like... bad for voting you either/leaving it? i had other townreads which you weren't living up to personally. :? i am curious to see who else you have in your poe currently though because we seem to agree on the progression of things thus far.

also, what do you think of tea's points against you? (i'm about to respond to them but i wanna know your take.)
In post 524, Ydrasse wrote:@tea: i'm unsure if i'm biased or not in this tbh because i townread your slot's predecessor by virtue of the things that guiltylion is calling clidd/your slot out for. the main points about it that really stick with me are guiltylion coming in strong with the vote on clidd in and the very last point in where guilty hadn't asked why clidd had that poe.

the former point, though... do you think it makes sense for a town!gl to see that the game is kind of slow-moving and take it upon himself to try and start something or not? he does say he got carried away but i'm unsure if that's him backing down from something after people challenge it. s:

if not, i think that a scum!gl might see that quite a few people are being towny and exchanging trs with each other and want to try and disrupt/challenge that?

also as an addendum for my previous post @gl: i wanna clarify, was there any reason why you didn't ask clidd about his reads in more depth?
In post 546, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 541, GuiltyLion wrote:like "tea, give your reasons on why Guilty may be scum"

"Guilty, what do you think of tea's reasons"

If this is somehow influencing Ydrasse's reads on either of us, I haven't seen it yet
because i'm not announcing every change in my reads.

but i do find it helpful to see what you guys mutually think of one another. :> i'm not framing you as against tea leaves so much as just trying to see what thoughts you have on each other's slots. i'm not acting like, with complete sureness in my scumreads right now so much as having a few townreads i'm working with and going from there.
In post 582, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 560, tea leaves wrote:
In post 550, Farren wrote:Those positions make sense for Dunnstral and Pine.

I do not understand your townread on Gamma Emerald. I liked and . You initially mentioned your read of Gamma in ; I can see a townread at that point. Has anything since then influenced it?
Farren asks a weird question over here because he's asking about this townread saying he doesn't understand it despite saying he liked and agreed with mentions of it precious.

GuiltyLion posts recently looked better to me so now I'll go for Dunnstral or Farren. To make things interesting I'll vote Farren.
VOTE: Farren
...why?

like, between the two of those why wouldn't you join a wagon on dunn? i don't understand what interesting means or what it's supposed to accomplish right now.
In post 590, Ydrasse wrote:...oh. :(

tea? say it ain't so?
In post 594, Ydrasse wrote:*raises eyebrow*
In post 601, Ydrasse wrote:tea, can you tell me which posts made you start scumreading farren more than dunn? is it because of ?
In post 607, Ydrasse wrote:do you know how in the sims when you say something and you see the little negative sign come up and you lose relationship points with the other sim? that was what that vote was for me.
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #234) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:36 am

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I don’t think it’s guiltylion.
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #235) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:43 am

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I thought mena was town due to meta interactions with Clidd.
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Post Post #1934 (isolation #236) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:44 am

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Isis, why did you mention game balance this day phase?
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #237) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:47 pm

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VOTE: isis

Bleh. Can’t figure out how to use YouTube tags

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSeeyH3jXPs
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #238) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:36 pm

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I’m temur obviously.

Thank you for teaching me isis.

I have no clue if you’re scum isis.
You just kinda forced my hand by voting
leaves with tea in them while I was thinking about it.
I’m glad you’re looking to engage. I’ll make time for this.
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #239) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:41 pm

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The universe where I vote tealeaves is probably in Elo.
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #240) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:42 pm

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That’s impressive isis. I did not know that.
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #241) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:45 pm

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In post 1984, Morning Tweet wrote:Should i towncase Isis? or not bother
I’ll listen.
Though, you did town case ydrasse and, alas.
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #242) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:47 pm

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Hmm. I think it’s tvt. I’ve mentioned my reasons for each of them being town right?
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Post Post #1994 (isolation #243) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:49 pm

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Wait, is hectic in this game.
Is that tealeaves.
I had no idea you were talking about that.
Am I confusing Luigi with Mario?
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Post Post #1999 (isolation #244) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:51 pm

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He alt alt slipped because that was paragon that alt slipped.
But I vaguely remember reading that hectic has a lot of alts when I was skimming a game once for god knows what reason.
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #245) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:52 pm

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In post 1997, Morning Tweet wrote:Damn now im worried i could possibly towncase both scum in one game

it'll be a pretty unbiased read through of isis i think because now im nervous about being wrong
More positioning. :shifty:
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #246) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:54 pm

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I’m really not town reading tea leaves because of tea leaves play though. I’m town reading Clidd.
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #247) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:55 pm

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Sorry, my compliments are like a pink diamond.
Useless and very rare.
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #248) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:06 pm

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In post 2016, Farren wrote:Entertaining?
You’re doing such a good job if you’re scum Farren.
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #249) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:07 pm

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That’s pretty normal. Sometimes I think readslists can be like self portraits and people will think you’re town if you flatter them.
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #250) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:08 pm

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No.
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Post Post #2024 (isolation #251) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:46 pm

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To summarize:
1.“Town morningtweet posts like this, while scum morning tweet posts like this”
2.Head is pretty on board wherever I’m looking and thinking.

1. Tealeaves respond to ydrasse scum reading them in an odd way for a scum player.
2. She voted him first. I don’t think she was avoiding or protecting him in anyway.
3. Mentioned Clidd reasons in opening post.
4. He kinda grabbed me when he said why he wasn’t scum this game.
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #252) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:51 pm

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That’s because they rarely did.
I looked.
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #253) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:54 pm

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This was offset to some extent because ydrasse probably wouldn’t interact with her partner the least out of all the players. Though perhaps because of how Dunnstral flipped it made her stand out more.
The wording she uses to address ydrasse feels fairly condescending. Or perhaps better put, like they’re on opposite sides of the aisle.
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #254) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:55 pm

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Isis, why do I feel like you have a key and i’m a lock and you’re jiggling the key around inside to get me to town read you.
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #255) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:29 pm

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In post 2051, Isis wrote:i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe
It’s you.
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #256) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:34 pm

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I’m teasing.
Though sometimes they really are scum.
Just probably for more specific contextual reasons
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #257) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:50 pm

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In post 2075, Morning Tweet wrote:Bell solve the game
No.
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #258) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:52 pm

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In post 2081, Morning Tweet wrote:Tea do like, a tiny lil self meta case

Like when Bell said "I would never go out of my way to give my scum partner a hard time upon entering the game where they're not even under any pressure. I'm just not that kind of player"

im a sucker for that kind of defence despite it burning me at least once or twice
It won’t burn you this time. But yeah, I can be a sucker for them too.

@tealeaves, why GL>Bell? And not GL >IS >Mt > You > farren.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #259) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:00 pm

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In post 2082, tea leaves wrote:
In post 1452, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: guiltylion

ty for the well wishes today guys <3
Let's talk about this vote again.

It puts Hobbes on L-1 and Ydrasse hasn't posted content in a while. It looks very opportunistic and scummy.
As scum, this is pretty unideal for Ydrasse.

BUT, if Hobbes is also scum. Then scum!Ydrasse is in the mindset of "oh one of us is getting launched today anyway, who cares" or could be thinking "how could they think I'm scummy for this vote? It's on scum."
This reasoning isn’t within my wheel house. I’m not sure how likely that is versus L1 vote.
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #260) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:01 pm

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In post 2089, tea leaves wrote:
In post 2085, Bell wrote:@tealeaves, why GL>Bell? And not GL >IS >Mt > You > farren.
Why am I in this list lol

I get some pings from you in the way you were reading me as town. You mentioned earlier that you would probably never be voting me this game, but then clarified that to mean you might vote me if it ever came to LyLo - however, that's tomorrow if we mislaunch today.
I’m town so I go down the elimination list.
You should self vote if it comes down to between me and you. Because our arsonist would never light someone on fire, right?
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #261) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:08 pm

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A tragedy, this game may end with the arsonist also dying in a fire.

That was my reads list and solve by the way.
GT > IS > MT > tea > farren in terms of likelihood.

You’re welcome MT.
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #262) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:10 pm

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Is it elo if dunstral protects someone yesterday or tonight?
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #263) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:14 pm

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That is a sad story.
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Post Post #2107 (isolation #264) » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:26 pm

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Be like ydrasse, make clear, easy digestible self meta and then in the next game do the exact opposite of what you said you would do.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #265) » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:10 pm

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In post 2153, Isis wrote:Tea leaves, why is tweet town?

I wish guilty was posting
Same.
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #266) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:05 pm

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Which direction?
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Post Post #2224 (isolation #267) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:09 pm

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You can always turn back and follow a more accurate road.
Unless you’re scum. If you are, proceed. Don’t mind me.
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Post Post #2226 (isolation #268) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:17 pm

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Actually I do that as town and can bring up a game where I did just that.
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Post Post #2229 (isolation #269) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:22 pm

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I’m on my phone. Can we skip to the part where I wouldn’t lie about something easily verifiable.
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Post Post #2232 (isolation #270) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:26 pm

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My confidence is feigned. This is also easily verifiable, I rarely truly stop my reads from fluctuating.

The guiltylion comment was related to Pokémon chat.
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Post Post #2234 (isolation #271) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:27 pm

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I was talking about gamma in that post.
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Post Post #2236 (isolation #272) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:29 pm

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The reasoning is in the post where I put out that if tealeaves wagon fell apart, she would be fucked.
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #273) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:31 pm

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Are you really genuine with this case. :?
A lot of these posts were addressed. You’re looking at me from a very narrow POV.
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #274) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:33 pm

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@isis: are you mafia.
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Post Post #2241 (isolation #275) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:37 pm

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The other reason was that I thought he might be lost scum. Also, ngl it was because my read on ydrasse had weakened because she seemed really friendly and I was not immune from her appeal to fear.
Later on in that interaction, I think about changing my vote back to ydrasse or moving. Elsewhere.
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Post Post #2242 (isolation #276) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:40 pm

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In post 1196, Bell wrote:I waffled.
That's pretty much the reason.
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Post Post #2244 (isolation #277) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:42 pm

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I’m sorry, but you’re wrong. :]
And ignoring all the data and making a one sided case on the matter demonstrates that.
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Post Post #2247 (isolation #278) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:43 pm

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I already explained a million times why ydrasse partner play is impossible for me.
The fact you think i’m scum with her is basically crap.
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Post Post #2248 (isolation #279) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:45 pm

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I don’t know what to say to that when there’s data that liars irl, tend to be relatively negative in their speech patterns which makes it hard to sound friendly.
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Post Post #2250 (isolation #280) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:46 pm

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Or be friendly as a matter of fact.

My doubt on isis scum is related to the idea that scum rarely open buddy.
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Post Post #2253 (isolation #281) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:47 pm

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In post 2249, tea leaves wrote:
In post 1701, Bell wrote:Seriously though, please don't partner me with Ydrasse, it's insulting. If I was scum this game, I would never have been able to pull that off with Ydrasse scum.
At least partner me with someone that makes sense.
Like tealeaves. :shifty:
Yeaaah, about this... I don't get why you'd be "insulted" that you were partnered with Ydrasse if you don't think scum!you is good enough to pull that off. Isn't that a compliment rather than an insult?
It takes two to pull that off and because I don’t know it would be a totally unnecessary risk.
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #282) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:49 pm

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In post 2252, tea leaves wrote:
In post 2248, Bell wrote:I don’t know what to say to that when there’s data that liars irl, tend to be relatively negative in their speech patterns which makes it hard to sound friendly.
That isn't the case for forum mafia though. Scum are just generally less antagonistic and want to stay in everyone's good books.
Give me statistics. In general just means you think so.
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Post Post #2256 (isolation #283) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:50 pm

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There is also no day chat for the scum team. Which means I had no means of asking for permission from her to push at her.
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Post Post #2259 (isolation #284) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:51 pm

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And that is something I would absolutely do see: dunnstral’s sin game.
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Post Post #2262 (isolation #285) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:53 pm

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In post 2260, tea leaves wrote:
In post 2256, Bell wrote:There is also no day chat for the scum team. Which means I had no means of asking for permission from her to push at her.
Which would explain why you switched off her when it looked like she might go through and didn't commit to launching her. HMMM
Could you explain what you mean by this?
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Post Post #2263 (isolation #286) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:55 pm

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In post 2261, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2190, Morning Tweet wrote:Alright, so -- Bell. You were very hard onto Ydrasse D1, until the end where you waffled onto Gamma, saying that your new opinion was Gamma>Ydrasse>tea to be killed

However, on the next day, you proceeded to vote for me, and then GL.

What made you change your mind on Ydrasse to the point where you dropped her off completely until the hammer vote (Where you specifically call attention to how your initial read on Ydrasse was to scumread her)?

i'm sure the answer is probably in your ISO but i dont have the time atm
this is still what im wondering
In general, I don’t go back to old wagons day 2 after day 1. It’s to gather more information about different players to create further associations. If we mess up again.
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Post Post #2265 (isolation #287) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:58 pm

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Isis, do you do the story thing as town?
I kinda feel like you’re bringing up stories a lot.
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Post Post #2266 (isolation #288) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:01 pm

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In post 2252, tea leaves wrote:
In post 2248, Bell wrote:I don’t know what to say to that when there’s data that liars irl, tend to be relatively negative in their speech patterns which makes it hard to sound friendly.
That isn't the case for forum mafia though. Scum are just generally less antagonistic and want to stay in everyone's good books.
Fetch.
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Post Post #2267 (isolation #289) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:02 pm

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Though seriously, there are a lot of antagonistic scum players and your argument that their aren’t with your level of experience is confusing.
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Post Post #2269 (isolation #290) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:04 pm

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I wouldn’t go through with a replace in push on her without her permission and you’re intentionally misunderstanding that.
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Post Post #2272 (isolation #291) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:06 pm

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I consider it connection building. *shrug* it’s not a strong thing, but it bothered me because I played and lost a newbie game with a dude that was telling stories. You’re right though that the context is different. It’s just close enough to bother me enough to ask.
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Post Post #2274 (isolation #292) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:17 pm

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This is my first time having to defend myself against a case since getting back.
It’s kind of nice. Though, because of that i’m not very good (I think) of changing their mind or opinions.

@isis: i’m a little conflicted. On one hand, tea leaves isn’t really leveling with me, twisting what i’m saying or taking what i’m saying as ~half-truth~ when it’s all truth and I don’t think it’s coming from a genuine place. But I don’t know how certain and serious he is. It seems kind of half hearted and removed, like this is just how he pressures people. He might feel neutral inside, laying out his suspicions and seeing what happens while continually poking or being dense to continue the interaction for a better read. Or I could just be projecting.

You’re taking on a tack where i’m not sure whether you’re contributing pressure, faking contributing pressure. taking the opportunity to lend weight the moment it seemed viable.
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Post Post #2277 (isolation #293) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:54 pm

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In post 2275, Isis wrote:i actually pretty rarely pressure people to read them, and it follows that if I were scum I wouldn't be trying to emulate a towngame that votes people for pressure

i am townreading everyone and trying to place a vote on someone who might be scum right now and feeling the least doubtful about you. for now. that is what I'm doing. I wouldn't call it pressure.
There’s a town case for pretty much every player remaining.
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Post Post #2278 (isolation #294) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:00 pm

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In post 1715, Ydrasse wrote:2/2 scum in (tea, mt, isis, bell, farren) feels like something i could never solve but that's more of a personal take
Weird.
In post 1712, Ydrasse wrote:because he's pre-emptively trying to tie himself to you + waste time for d3/d4

i think that the most reasonable thing to assume is that when i'm flipped (town), gl becomes tomorrow's elim based on the general poe. it's better to try and obfuscate who his partner is at this point rather than fight his elim tomorrow; he still will, i'm sure, but he's making it a point now to try and claw at whatever he can to help his partner who's endgaming over him.

also the reason i said i don't wanna be flipped today is because i would rather take away the "safety cushion", so to speak, that the scum have currently in that: while they know gl will most likely go down tmrw, if they get me elimmed today they have a free night to prime someone knowing that there will be at least 1 partner alive to ignite the following night. basically it's a free kill for them so long as dunn doesn't manage to protect who they're targetting.
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Post Post #2281 (isolation #295) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:52 pm

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*breaks out the challk*

A few of bell’s town beliefs(i’ve really already addressed some of my scum beliefs).

1. Votes can be used for pressure to get a better read or attempt to get a better read on a player or force them to reveal more information to hopefully make an informed decision. If you have suspicions, vote and see where it leads! If you have doubts try to get clarity through gathering more information.
2. You can ~probably~ determine the difference between a town and scum player if you look at the data with the correct lense.
3. Datadatadata.

D1: Bell suspects Ydrasse > votes her and tries to understand her. Engages with others, about her. > bell makes the wrong decision and unvotes ydrasse to pursue a miselimination on gamma instead.

A: This is a common consequence to how I use my vote. If you vote people you merely suspect for something you will end up changing your mind a lot and often because of your focus end up being the person that unvotes. Because I was the one with the suspicions, the wagon naturally collapsed when I made up my mind. GL pointed out that the wagon and the attention on ydrasse would not have existed without me coming in.

D 1-2. bell reads morning tweet meta. > Bell suspects her > bell votes her and questions her. > Bell. makes another decision.
A. Same thing as ydrasse approach. Bottom 3 reads at the time were MT, Ydrasse, farren. GL moved up after reshuffling with thinking MT is town etc.


You can see this in past games too, I think. This doesn’t always mean my vote is on those I suspect, sometimes I really do think they’re scum. But I don’t ever really stop engaging with my reads and this causes a lot of fluctuations.

If you apply this lense you should be able to understand me.
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Post Post #2282 (isolation #296) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:53 pm

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Mostly though, you should just listen when I say I don’t replace in and bus my partner. Unless there are some very good reasons to do so.
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Post Post #2284 (isolation #297) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:09 pm

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isis, could you word that question differently.
I’m not bus adverse, but there needs to be some advantage and i’m cautious about it when I do.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=83774

^ i bussed both partners in this game.
But read the mafia PT.
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Post Post #2285 (isolation #298) » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:25 pm

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There are a lot of attempts to discuss and engage. To make sure I didn’t do something they wouldn’t respond well to.
I even messed up a little on starbuck by questioning them and it made them look mildly scummy.

In the PT I need to mention there are two posts out of context that will lead to a visceral reaction.
But I need to be clear there, both of those don’t apply to this game because, not scum reading them would have gone against the flow of the game. Whereas here I went counter to it.
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #299) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:17 am

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In post 2288, tea leaves wrote:
In post 2284, Bell wrote:isis, could you word that question differently.
I’m not bus adverse, but there needs to be some advantage and i’m cautious about it when I do.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=83774

^ i bussed both partners in this game.
But read the mafia PT.
Uh, your best example for you being bus averse is linking a game where you bussed both your partners? I'm not going to read the whole mafia PT so you could you explain why it helps your case?
Maybe don’t quote me if the quote contains “not bus averse”
When accusing me of being bus averse.

I’ve differentiated between what I think is a smart bus and what I think isn’t.

@2281: are you intentionally trying to make me angry? I said i pressure people who I suspect of being scum and then make a decision and this creates a common situation. You’ve misrepresented and twisted my words repeatedly and i’m honestly not sure what you’re doing that for if you’re town.
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Post Post #2293 (isolation #300) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:48 am

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In post 2291, Isis wrote:VOTE: Bell
I think tea is more likely to flip scum, but bell is more likely to be covered in gasoline and function as a free elim
I almost said that was absolutely terrible reasoning and then I thought about it and you know.
You kind of have a point. But like, what if it’s not me, but farren.
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Post Post #2296 (isolation #301) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:54 am

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It’s not even that unlikely that’s the case.
He was more confident and adamant about ydrasse when it mattered.
Unless you misinterpreted me and you thought I meant that farren was scum.
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Post Post #2297 (isolation #302) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:56 am

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Averses isn’t even a word tealeaves.
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Post Post #2299 (isolation #303) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:01 am

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I didn’t enter the game and bus my partners in that game either. I pushed a miselimination first because my partners weren’t really responding to my requests about how they would prefer I interact with them. Plus the first miselimination was fairly easy.
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Post Post #2300 (isolation #304) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:03 am

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This is pretty clear cut.
I don’t call attention and bus my partners day 1 when I don’t know them and can’t speak to them and they’re not being scum read by anyone.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #305) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:31 am

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In post 2301, tea leaves wrote:I'm a lot less confident on this than I was just yesterday...
In post 2302, Isis wrote:VOTE: Morning Tweet
*rubs eyes*
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #306) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:54 am

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In post 2326, tea leaves wrote:Think about what I've been doing today, Isis. I've pushed Morning, Hobbes, and Bell all as scum. I'm making enemies left, right, and centre, and have no regard for keeping bridges intact. Like, I am totally aware that town are likely to OMGUS and feel worse about people pushing them. You think scum!me sets out with this approach today?

I probably play it safe and just continue pushing Hobbes today.
This is pretty much why I didn’t omgus vote you the third goddarn time you twisted my words. It showed weird initiative.

@isis. Sigh. You’re not wrong.
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Post Post #2337 (isolation #307) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:55 am

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In post 2330, tea leaves wrote:Believe in the me that believes in the you that believes in the me that believes in the you
Gurren was a good show. :cool:
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Post Post #2339 (isolation #308) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:57 am

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Can we just eliminate guilty lion and hope this is easier than this nightmare game to solve is turning out to be.
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Post Post #2373 (isolation #309) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:07 am

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I find it amusing and kinda charming.
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Post Post #2389 (isolation #310) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:28 am

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I have a mean case of the hiccups today.
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Post Post #2390 (isolation #311) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:29 am

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In post 2374, tea leaves wrote:The toxicity? That's pretty weird
Your banter with each other, I mean.
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Post Post #2397 (isolation #312) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:14 pm

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In post 2395, Farren wrote:I had the sense that Bell wasn't doing much solving lately. On re-read, that looks wrong. Unless you define "lately" as "in the last 48 hours or so". But I was thinking in terms of D3, which is wrong.

I don't like , though - especially not after reading .

Bell, what happened between those two?
400 posts of other players seeming town.
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Post Post #2399 (isolation #313) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:18 pm

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Every excuse and reason from tea leaves and MT looks reasonable to me.

I did not like his push on me, at first I thought he was being intentionally dense as a means of pressure, but the more he did it the less it made sense that was what he was doing.
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Post Post #2401 (isolation #314) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 pm

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In post 2400, Farren wrote:
In post 2397, Bell wrote:400 posts of other players seeming town.
How would you describe the last 48 hours?
An exercise in frustration.
Isis vote hopping.
MT, hanging out on the side.
You gone.
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #315) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:23 pm

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It’s difficult for me when scum can keep up with this kind of town. Because one of the things I look for is an inability to keep up.
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #316) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:28 pm

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“I’m having a hard time focusing on the game”
“Catching up” (doesn’t really ever catch up)
“There’s too much going on right now”
“For X reason, I can’t seem to read people this game!”

Etc etc. cognitive load. A feeling of demotivatiin because the town are hanging out and they keep swinging back to town reading each other so lurking isn’t really going where it needs to go etc.
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #317) » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:30 pm

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This possibly just isn’t one of those games though.
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Post Post #2423 (isolation #318) » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:48 am

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In post 2420, Dunnstral wrote:uh oh we have a LURKEY!!!
Is my world MT’s pocket dimension.
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Post Post #2424 (isolation #319) » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:49 am

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Woops, misquote.
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Post Post #2427 (isolation #320) » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:47 am

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I would totally replace into a stump slot.
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Post Post #2428 (isolation #321) » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:48 am

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If I could, I would only replace into those.
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #322) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:40 am

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Am I a bad person if I don’t read all of that
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #323) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:55 am

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No.
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Post Post #2446 (isolation #324) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:56 am

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My verified recollection of his accuracy is also that he’s pretty good.
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Post Post #2463 (isolation #325) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:49 am

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Don’t worry. I’m lurking. :shifty:
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Post Post #2464 (isolation #326) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:51 am

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Update: GL > isis > tea
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #327) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:55 am

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i’m not sure. He’s my scum partner. But then ydrasse flipped and two became three.
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Post Post #2481 (isolation #328) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:06 am

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VOTE: guiltylion
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Post Post #2506 (isolation #329) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:21 am

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In post 2505, Isis wrote:there was pregame scumchat
:shifty:
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Post Post #2508 (isolation #330) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:22 am

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Why would you even ask that.
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Post Post #2513 (isolation #331) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:25 am

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Don’t pull my leg.
It’s attached to the rest of me
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Post Post #2516 (isolation #332) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:26 am

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Did you rip it out
Are you murdering me rn
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Post Post #2519 (isolation #333) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:28 am

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I treeslipped.
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Post Post #2522 (isolation #334) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:35 am

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Plz speed hammer guiltylion.

So I can see the 1v1 of isis and tea. If i’m wrong while Mt just snickers evilly in the corner.
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Post Post #2526 (isolation #335) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:39 am

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I thought this was masochist mafia.
He would be slathered in oil.
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Post Post #2528 (isolation #336) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:40 am

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Rly tho, it’s probably farren.
If not farren 50/50 me/GL.
Mayyybbbeeee MT.
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Post Post #2529 (isolation #337) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:41 am

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Are you drunk again.
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Post Post #2531 (isolation #338) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:47 am

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Why does she have a hammer.
Is that Hephaestus hammer.

Are you going to hammer. But it’s not E-1. yet.
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Post Post #2533 (isolation #339) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:49 am

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Her father is a blacksmith.
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Post Post #2539 (isolation #340) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:23 am

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Was talking about arsonist target D2.
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Post Post #2546 (isolation #341) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:52 pm

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I just got done defending myself.

Pass.
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Post Post #2548 (isolation #342) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:58 pm

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Lies and slander.
Trees have legs, how do you think they stand so tall
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Post Post #2550 (isolation #343) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:02 pm

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I already gave my solve.

I think we’re all town constantly slapping at each other and refurbishing our reads when the slap hits bark.

If i’m wrong I think it’s isis, if i’m wrong again I think it’s tea leaves because his push on me was fairly bad.
If it’s wrong again it’s MT who honestly, should probably be at the bottom because she was the least kill happy on ydrasse and if i’m Still wrong then it’s farren and he fooled us all.
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Post Post #2557 (isolation #344) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:06 pm

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So am I.
You’re the only one that seems to understand me, so you must be scum pocketing me. :igmeou:
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Post Post #2561 (isolation #345) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:09 pm

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Why are you voting me again isis?
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Post Post #2563 (isolation #346) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:11 pm

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I really don’t agree with tea leaves as mafia. His self meta reads as very genuine.
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Post Post #2564 (isolation #347) » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:12 pm

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When I tree slipped you voted me and I don’t think you voted GL back.
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Post Post #2578 (isolation #348) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:29 am

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I’d rather not wait tbh. I’ll feel silly if i’m right and the game just ends and in the alternate time line where we wait the replacement takes it away.

@tea leaves are you sure that’s the most scum indicative thing that’s happened.
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Post Post #2579 (isolation #349) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:34 am

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Perhaps said differently, i’m willing to bet the game on it being GL. And the-landscape will hopefully be different if scum lights people on fire. Otherwise they have to keep gambling with Dunnstral anyway, yeah?
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Post Post #2583 (isolation #350) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:46 am

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~Not~ something town did.
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #351) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:48 am

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In post 2582, Isis wrote:Dunnstral which one do you like better?
:?
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Post Post #2588 (isolation #352) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:49 am

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I met my werewolf quota for the month already.
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Post Post #2590 (isolation #353) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:49 am

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I’m skeptical it’s the most scum indicative thing if there’s actually scum in this game tho.
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Post Post #2591 (isolation #354) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:50 am

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That implies the game is actually unsolvable on a micro scale.
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #355) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:55 am

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Pretty much, ~for me~ it’s impossible for me to be scum this game if you know me or how I think.
You’re looking at it like a random computerized game where each player is exactly as likely to be scum as the next.
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #356) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:57 am

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Though even on a macro scale, me voting ydrasse at all is probably -EV
Whatever EV means.
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Post Post #2597 (isolation #357) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:00 am

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In post 2595, Isis wrote:I wish I had any chance of being excused from f3
What’s f3?
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #358) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:03 am

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I do want to say though that this game has been a positive experience for me. I appreciate you guys.
Now get in my pocket.
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Post Post #2600 (isolation #359) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:03 am

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We could always eliminate you today and have you hang around as a stump.
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #360) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:04 am

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I miss gamma.
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Post Post #2602 (isolation #361) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:08 am

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Even though i feel like he would thumbs down me for misreading him. :oops:
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Post Post #2617 (isolation #362) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:43 am

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In post 2285, Bell wrote:There are a lot of attempts to discuss and engage. To make sure I didn’t do something they wouldn’t respond well to.
I even messed up a little on starbuck by questioning them and it made them look mildly scummy.

In the PT I need to mention there are two posts out of context that will lead to a visceral reaction.
But I need to be clear there, both of those don’t apply to this game because, not scum reading them would have gone against the flow of the game. Whereas here I went counter to it.
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Post Post #2618 (isolation #363) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:45 am

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That insistence on communicating preferences is literally the reason I wouldn’t bus my partner without chatting first. And I wouldn’t honor a previous conversation because I don’t have a scum pt. :neutral:
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #364) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:48 am

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In post 2614, Morning Tweet wrote:Bell you bussed both of your partners simultaneously in SIN

.-.
Already stated I wasn’t bus averse.

You’re the second person to ignore this. .-.
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #365) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:50 am

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A reminder that I brought up my meta myself hoping that explaining the nuance of my play here in contrast to my play there would make it more clear why i couldn't be scum.
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Post Post #2624 (isolation #366) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:11 pm

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In post 2610, Isis wrote:I finally skimmed a little of SIN and Bell's interactions with his partner seems like a carbon copy to here. Saying his target was very scummy, yet also going out of the way to mention the possibility of a townslip, and never directly interacting with the player in question.

If Ydrasse told clidd pregame that she doesn't mind bussing that'd be viewable and I could see Bell inheriting the guidance after it clashed with clidd's style and he declined it.
Tea leaves replaced Clidd. Though, that’s interesting.
I disagree that it is a carbon copy. For one, I did not mention Porkens town slipping nor did I imply ydrasse did either. I argued that there was an alternative explanation for Porkens behavior such that he could be town.

Pedit: heh.
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #367) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:15 pm

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I don’t really seek to evolve my scum game. When I play scum the important thing for me is that people have a good time. I don’t particularly enjoy playing scum because the problems that need to be solved aren’t what attracted me to mafia. If people were *dissatisfied* with my play I might attempt to.
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Post Post #2630 (isolation #368) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:18 pm

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It was day 2 I think. Though out the gate.
And I showed a reluctance to bus pork day one.

I forgot to mention my second scum game ended. I asked mena what he thought my partner and when mena made a case I just brushed it aside and redirected him.
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Post Post #2634 (isolation #369) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:26 pm

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I mean, i’m right here and I can confirm no such communication took place because she didn’t roll scum this game. :yawn:
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Post Post #2637 (isolation #370) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:28 pm

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Pine didn’t.
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Post Post #2639 (isolation #371) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:30 pm

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Oh.
The female rabbit avatar confused me.
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #372) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:32 pm

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In post 2636, Farren wrote:Bad logic: we're all having fun; Bell thinks people having fun is a top priority when he's scum; ergo, Bell is scum.
More bad logic: Bell was townread to death in a previous scumgame; he can be townread here; ergo, Bell is scum.

UNVOTE: Bell

My ego can't take GuiltyLion being scum. Do I really need to go back and take another look at him?
Why are you inviting me?
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Post Post #2641 (isolation #373) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:33 pm

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Ewbwop: phone post auto correct. Unvoting me*
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Post Post #2645 (isolation #374) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:44 pm

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I look forward to your next bad logic release.
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Post Post #2653 (isolation #375) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:17 pm

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In post 2646, Isis wrote:Bell who do you think the scumzor is
Plz stop trying to figure out whether you should keep me alive till 3F.
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #376) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:24 pm

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Tea leaves is driving me a ~little~crazy
But my reads haven’t updated since my last ones.
I want to omgus but i know better. Even though he’s being obstinate and selectively reading what I say while ignoring significant pieces of information I see think he’s town for some reason.
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #377) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:24 pm

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Oh right. Clidd was town.
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Post Post #2664 (isolation #378) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:25 pm

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In post 2617, Bell wrote:
In post 2285, Bell wrote:There are a lot of attempts to discuss and engage. To make sure I didn’t do something they wouldn’t respond well to.
I even messed up a little on starbuck by questioning them and it made them look mildly scummy.

In the PT I need to mention there are two posts out of context that will lead to a visceral reaction.
But I need to be clear there, both of those don’t apply to this game because, not scum reading them would have gone against the flow of the game. Whereas here I went counter to it.
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Post Post #2667 (isolation #379) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:27 pm

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Also, I don’t angle on what is unexpected for the sake of the unexpected.
Drawing negative attention toward my partner. Puts them at risk of being read correctly as scum.
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Post Post #2669 (isolation #380) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:29 pm

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In post 2665, tea leaves wrote:Oh, interesting. Guess I'll have to go and see what the game's opinions on Starbuck/Porkens were when you entered.

Will do that tomorrow.
See this keeps happening and :mad: :neutral: :? :(
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Post Post #2671 (isolation #381) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:31 pm

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In post 2668, Gamma Emerald wrote:Has the game been solved yet

Btw I’ve been deliberately not posting, looks like Dann’s not holding stumps to prod rules
Hi gamma.

The game has not been solved yet.
Or, if it is, it’s not clear to me.
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Post Post #2672 (isolation #382) » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:06 pm

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Did you know that Dann has been linking music videos in some of his vcs.
I liked the willow song.
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Post Post #2673 (isolation #383) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:04 am

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How’s the guiltylion reread going @MT/Farren.
How’s the meta read going on me. @farren/Tea leaves.

My hopes are not high that I can change tea leaves mind.
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Post Post #2681 (isolation #384) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:12 am

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Welcome thanks for replacing in.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2683 (isolation #385) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:15 am

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Howdy. I’ve played with you before.
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Post Post #2685 (isolation #386) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:24 am

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Honestly this day has been a lot of rehashing of what went on in earlier days.
There’s some pretty good analysis so you might not actually need to.
I find the mena/Clidd interaction somewhat important to me in regards to my reads in day one, but I don’t really think anyone else would feel similarly.

Ydrasse flipped arsonist day 2. It’s day 3.
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Post Post #2687 (isolation #387) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:25 am

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Why do you think i’m Scum isis?
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Post Post #2690 (isolation #388) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:27 am

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In post 2688, Isis wrote:I didn't find your reasons for scumreading Ydrasse very believable
That’s kinda funny. Given those are my actual reasons.
Though that scum tell(and I use the term loosely) did not work on dannflorr.
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Post Post #2692 (isolation #389) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:50 am

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In post 2691, Isis wrote:yeah posts like 2690 would be the other reason I'm not comfortable with your slot
so little effort to empathize
both alignments do the "nuh uh" thing sometimes but it keeps feeling like a scummy flavor of it to me.
I noticed that bothered you and I still do it because i’m Town this game. :P
It’s simply not scummy at all if i’m not scum.

A lack of empathy however, isn’t something i’ve had much trouble with this game though.
If you mean, understanding another’s point of view instead of feeling how they’re feeling ,then sure.
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Post Post #2695 (isolation #390) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:58 am

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Azelf?
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Post Post #2696 (isolation #391) » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:58 am

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Ah you use Pokémon descriptors for people. I forgot that.
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Post Post #2721 (isolation #392) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:51 am

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On day one everyone had Porkens low in their reads. You can argue that there’s a difference between actually getting voted and reading someone as scum. But that’s disingenuous, again. The not votes on Porkens were due to him being v/la.
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Post Post #2722 (isolation #393) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:53 am

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I’m willing to vote tea leaves now. I’m sorry and exasperated but you’ve missed context so many times that this is just bad faith argument at this point. Your view point is so stilted and unable to see context that i’m Having trouble seeing you as being anything other than clumsy scum.
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Post Post #2723 (isolation #394) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:55 am

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VOTE: tealeaves
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #395) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:44 am

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In post 2724, tea leaves wrote:I asked you a question, Bell. I'm not going to read through the entire game so I'm bound to miss context. Answering my question with the context I needed while also using it as an opportunity to finally turn on me is pretty scummy though, and makes me feel slightly better about this being correct.

Can you now see clidd being scum?
I answered the question. I’ve answered all your questions.
As for Clidd, not really. This is pretty much omgus and boP you’re going to win a rising star scummy I think.
It will go really well with your Mario avatar I think.

You already said you felt good about my elimination. Saying it again makes your position clear.
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Post Post #2727 (isolation #396) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:51 am

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I don’t want you to feel bad. :(
It you’re town being wrong is pretty normal.
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Post Post #2729 (isolation #397) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:53 am

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Because there was a lot of hay and you created these quote blocks that were unnecessary if you genuinely just wanted to know the answer. It’s demonstrative, not for solving purposes.
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Post Post #2731 (isolation #398) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:00 am

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I know exactly what you’re asking about. The quote blocks were unnecessary.
You’re out of asking mode and into kill mode and don’t misrepresent your position.
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Post Post #2733 (isolation #399) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:05 am

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Not really, given the answer to your question makes the quotes unnecessary.
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