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[Tayl0r Swift]

4 reasons vig is superior

1) it can catch more than one scum before dying
2) its more fun
3) you dont have to rely on scum being next to each other and next to the tracker in the player list, you can simply target scummy people
4) see 1-3

[Tayl0r Swift]

i promise to be accurate with my shots then

[Tayl0r Swift]

vig gives town more power and more control over the game. especially if we know theres a vig we can all help to direct the shot.

[Tayl0r Swift]

acting means pretending, so for me to be fake acting id have to be pretending to pretend?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nah, I meant it as you being like a body double of Taylor, Tayl0r. You guys look remarkably alike.

uh how DARE you. i AM taylor swift. anyone else claiming to be taylor swift is an impostor.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i suppose i should put my money where my mouth is and VOTE: battle mage

[Tayl0r Swift]

It's a name of an Egyptian goddess long before the organization took it. I think it's Egypt atleast and not another religion.

also its really only in american media that the terrorist group is known as ISIS. europeans call it IS or ISIL generally, and the arabic name is daesch (sp?)

[Tayl0r Swift]

where is your signature from norwegian?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think this is L-2 btw (L is for lunch)

[Tayl0r Swift]

The morning sun pierced my eyes as I slowly lurched out of bed, "24 shifts in 27 days, thank god that's over" I thought to myself as I went down stairs to prepare my breakfast, I was greeted with a ruckus in the public square. "Just what I need" I grumbled, I went outside to investigate, it turned out three traitors lurked amongst us. I surveyed my surroundings, some familiar faces stood out, for better or worse. There was a lot of discussion happening already, "Hypoclaiming? This is the worst thing Isis has ever done. Get that MU shit out of here." I piped up. I was still none the wiser as to what the fuck Taylor Swift was talking about when she said "you dont have to rely on scum being next to each other and next to the tracker in the player list, you can simply target scummy people", would we ever get an explanation? "Fine" I declared, "if you won't tell us, we'll make you tell us". I raised my udders and aimed them at Taylor.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

if we go down the playerlist sequentially for tracking/hiding then unless the mafia are near the tracker/hider itll take forever to get results. thats basically like random targeting, and i think we can do better.

[Tayl0r Swift]

mudrecat gets a townlock

I did the same thing just worded differently. Sigh.

i dont like that you're hunting for townpoints like this

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm confused. First I get a nice heart from her and then I get yelled at. I barely changed.

isnt this how teenage boys usually feel?

[Tayl0r Swift]

yet you complained when murdercat got a townlock and not you. saying you dont want townpoints is easy, but accepting when other people get townpoints and you dont is where the sausage gets eaten.

[Tayl0r Swift]

190 does not read as sarcastic to me, but *shrug*

[Tayl0r Swift]

It seems a lot of this playerlist is unfamiliar with the concept of jokes, here is a thread to help you get aquainted:

viewtopic.php?f=86&t=31398

is this the scum PT?

[Tayl0r Swift]

And any particular question

Jam or chutney?

The fuck is chutney?

DaFuq, do you not have chutney in freedomland?

Okay then, is there such a thing as an objective conciousness or is a universal subjective conciousness the best we can hope to achieve?

the answer to the question becomes obvious if you can agree on decent definitions. philosophers cant so suddenly it gets complicated. philosophy is silly.

murdercat you are strongly encouraging people to vote me, but i dont see where youve made a strong case for why... like yeah i havent done much but... neither has half the playerbase. why single me out? do you smell an easy target and youre trying to get the mislunches rolling?

[Tayl0r Swift]

everyone is ok with a taylor wagon but no one has given strong reasons for a taylor wagon. what does that tell you?

[Tayl0r Swift]

everyone is ok with a taylor wagon but no one has given strong reasons for a taylor wagon. what does that tell you?

You have bad posts

you say that, making a bad post

[Tayl0r Swift]

this is hilarious, but since the thread isnt locked yet, maybe we can stop having a collective conniption and instead try to analyze/find some scum?

[Tayl0r Swift]

rvs is lame wagon go choochoo

VOTE: mage

Hypoclaiming allows the real hider to target someone they scumread, or someone who, if that person is scum, it's not good for the hider to be alive anyway, or whatever. Targeting the name above in the playerlist forces the hider to pick that arbitrary target

ehhhhh does that mean that as a weak hider you should be trying to kill yourself?

I don't think Battle Mage or Bambi has been alignment indicative in how they've addressed the question but I think Tayl0r might be slightly scummier for seeming to not put lots of thought in (I only don't feel the same way about Bambi because of knowing her meta, really)

cool wna wagon tayl0r instead?

VOTE: tayl0r

VOTE: dong

lost was on all three major wagons today, pretty early on, but in each case it was apparent a wagon was gonna take off.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im still waiting for someone to tell me why they think im scum other than "bad posts, brother"

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

please elaborate or this is just weird shade

lol bad shot

VOTE: ManWithNoName

why? and why does the bad shot make you wanna vote MWNN?

VOTE: NM seriously, he hasn't claimed town that's his tell

omgus

VOTE: Norwee
That's a very bizarre initial take for today on top of my existing gutread

omgus

can people please provide some reasoning for stuff? im already having enough trouble trying to puzzle out what the hell yesterday was... no one is scumreading NM for lolhammering. why? even noname cites another reason for scumreading in the vote. i feel very lost. i dont really understand the reasoning for the nightkill and i dont really understand the reasoning for yesterdays wagon

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes... is there some reason not to? that seems like a pretty scummy thing to do. even if he did say he was going to, following through is ???

[Tayl0r Swift]

Did you have to change the 0 because "Taylor Swift" was taken, that's a little sad if it's an Aristophanes alt that doesn't really get used

yes someone took taylor swift. THERES AN IMPOSTOR OUT THERE< WATCFH OUT

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hey fakenotAri!Tayl0r...is omgus scummy?

wiki says yes. i can definitely see where noobtown would think "oh someone scumreads me? im town tho, and i know im town, and so they must know too and so if they think im scum they must be scum." i can also see the scum motivation where fake scumhunting is hard, but getting in a shitfight gives a good excuse for a vote. i think all four of those votes were weak, omgus or not.

[Tayl0r Swift]

In anticipation of you asking again - because it’s the best 1 vote wagon from the vc atm.

what's wrong with the rest

I townread them to greater degrees.

including bob?

bob has the ability to obvtown himself and hasn’t had the opportunity.

is this true only of town!bob?

[Tayl0r Swift]

why is it not scummy for NM to lolhammer? is this not the sort of thing that results in policy lynches around here?

[Tayl0r Swift]

until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

so if penguin thinks someone is scummy thats good enough for you? why is PP town?

[Tayl0r Swift]

until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

so if penguin thinks someone is scummy thats good enough for you? why is PP town?

I feel like stuff like this is just noise

i feel like youre just noise.

also where is bob? cant wait to get bob's thoughts on the game

[Tayl0r Swift]

until i figure out where i want my vote, i'll just choochoo

VOTE: norway

so if penguin thinks someone is scummy thats good enough for you? why is PP town?

yes, this game is too filled with fluff and meta reads that i can only resort to wagons to get any sort of reaction from players.

where's bob btw, would love to hear his thoughts soon

but why this particular wagon? and why sheep PP?

[Tayl0r Swift]

also i don't have a solid read on PP, but i'm inclined to think he's town just out of gut.

so you dont have any scumreads to try and start a wagon on? and your strongest townread is a "meh, gut"?

VOTE: lost

[Tayl0r Swift]

also i don't have a solid read on PP, but i'm inclined to think he's town just out of gut.

so you dont have any scumreads to try and start a wagon on? and your strongest townread is a "meh, gut"?

VOTE: lost

when did i ever say my strongest townread was PP?

well if you had a scumread presumably youd just go vote them. and if you're gonna sheep someone presumably its your top townread? its not like PP presented a great case for why norway is scum. i dunno, if im wrong walk me through whats going on in your head.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont know why youre sheeping PP when you could be sheeping bob

[Tayl0r Swift]

well if you had a scumread presumably youd just go vote them. and if you're gonna sheep someone presumably its your top townread? its not like PP presented a great case for why norway is scum. i dunno, if im wrong walk me through whats going on in your head.

you entered day 2 without voting anybody, called out a bunch of omgus votes, proceed to call omgus scummy, and then not vote any of those omgus voters, nor did you follow up on your D1 scum reads. come on tayl0r, you're just as clueless in this game as i am.

i have people i think are scum, but i don't have anything concrete. this whole game is 5 pages of content and 20 pages of fluff, gut reads are the best thing i have. i don't have the skill, experience, or meta to read anybody in this playerlist.

i will continue to wagon because i am town, and all i have is my vote. and my vote on a wagon is the where it can be felt strongest, UNTIL i find scum to put my vote on.

i don't care if PP is town or scum, he started a wagon. i'll hop on until i find something worth poking more at.

yeah but the difference is that i pointed out some things, even if they were weak, and then asked them to elaborate, which will ideally create some content when people reply. and i was clueless, but rather than just sheeping someone else and absolving myself of responsibility while looking like i was joining a wagon and solving, i posted some things and asked some questions until i found a vote.

and i still see an inconsistency between a) sheeping PP and b) not having PP as top townread.
i feel like if youre gonna sheep someone, you should be confident that theyre town.

who are people you think are scum and why?

[Tayl0r Swift]

FOS murdercat for voting bob. trying to silence bob before he can give his thoughts on the game?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I was going to wait for a response but it feels like GG was coached to tunnel NM today

that seems a little implausible, because no one is biting on GG's idea. why coached rather than just someone who hasnt played with NM before? i had the same thought that NM should be lynched for that

[Tayl0r Swift]

Genius will continue to be a huge distraction as long as he is in the game

NM will continue to be a huge distraction as long as he is in the game


isnt this equally as true? why the double-standard NM?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I like bob, MWNN, and nm for town.

VOTE: Taylor

what is it about NM that says town to you? isnt that the definition of a null slot?

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob hasnt really said much so i dont have much of a read.
noname has had some strange takes, i think noname is scummy. i think ive said as much previously.
i see PP posting but have no idea whats going on in that brain. i dont follow penguin's logic and i dont understand the vote on me.

that said, my early game is weak and i get almost universally scumread in every game early on. so i think its justified for people to scumread me in general. i just dont know if i understand the specific reasons for why people are voting me today.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Shouldn’t you have asked Penguin why he townreads MWNN and Bob in that case?

why? those reads are plausible. the NM read really sticks out to me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

that said, my early game is weak and i get almost universally scumread in every game early on.

Are you new to mafia or an alt?
Do you have any finished games yet?

im new. i played several years ago on another site but theres clearly rust. i have no finished games on this site.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hmm ok. I suppose rust could explain why people’d gut scumread you.

@Isis Can you tell me why you voted Penguin and if you scumread them?

@Bambi Jay can you play the game and place your vote :/

as town i also generally dont make any effort to towntell, and my mind is a little different than most people's so i have weird takes sometimes.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i have no completed games to back it up. theres plenty of evidence, but i cant point you to it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

gut says PP is town.

whys that? and also, doesnt bob normally do a bit more analysis than this?

[Tayl0r Swift]

You warmed her.
How cozy.

hyggelig

[Tayl0r Swift]

Well - yes. He was a Mason in the other game and Mason's can't be scum.

i hardclaim scum mason

[Tayl0r Swift]

I've heard those 2 lines in memes for years. Never knew that there was a full song honestly.

this is a scumclaim

[Tayl0r Swift]

I want this to be the universe where we are town together, I don't like the other two.

The other two being? Are you concerned about the universe where you are scum?

i think the third universe is one where you're both dead and this is just a dream.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Sure I can make a full case in the morning

ill decide whether to vote pending your case. atm i see genius as just quirky, and not very scumhunty. but thats kinda where this game is at atm... quirky and very not scumhunty.

[Tayl0r Swift]

genius i think you should probably ignore NM. i dunno how people normally sort NM, but i dont think normal tells and reasons really apply. i see what you're saying, but everyone else is just ignoring it, and they actually know NM. and murdercat, i think your case on genius is mostly a difference in understanding of the game rather than different alignments. im still gonna wait to evaluate genius until i see him push someone other than NM, which i hope will be soon. i will continue to award scumpoints to both of you as this tunnel continues though.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah why is your vote on bambi if youre pushing NM?

[Tayl0r Swift]

It’s like you know you’re wrong and hold a grudge against me for it.

You walked into the party like you were walking onto a yacht

kinda wobbly and trying to gain your sea legs?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm angry about thinking about Norwee is town and I am not with him (even though I think I am currently voting with him [and i'm not unvoting in this post])

what do you mean you arent with him? it sounds like that could either mean [town with him] or [voting with him]. clearly you thought you were voting with him, but i have a hard time imagining a scumslip that obvious

[Tayl0r Swift]

The theme of this game seems to be people with infuriating playstyles.

you arent talking about me are you?

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you feel attacked by my words, then you were my target. That's all i'll say.

norwee is out for blood and wants everyone to be a victim. lunch this with fire!

[Tayl0r Swift]

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

Fun fact: opinions can change upon reanalyzing data. Are you trying to gaslight me by twisting around everything I say or something?

yeah but what people look for is not whether opinions changed. its whether they can see what the person saw that changed your mind. and i see you saying "x is town" or "x is more likely scum" but i havent seen reasoning why. i cant really follow your progression. like you say "this post is kinda scummy" but then youll say the poster is town. i dont see a logical thought progression.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Guys I have solved it. GG is a disguised operative from an alien race who are readying to invade and colonise Earth. They are trying to use social deduction games to gather intel about humans, he is trying to fit in but not

quite

managing it.

these must be the same people who made The Room

[Tayl0r Swift]

Somewhere near the divide between scumminess and towniness, on the scummy side.

I'd be interested in a general grouping along the lines of but with more separation if you think it warrants it:

{bob}
{everyone else?}
{bambi, taylor, NM}

interesting that gg is absent from this list. why is it that the person you're voting and is currently discussed didnt make it into the scumpile... hmmm

[Tayl0r Swift]

Spoiler:

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

general acknowledgment that this seems bad

heres another post where it seems like you just want to be on the record saying how bad gg is

[Tayl0r Swift]

Spoiler:

Isis is definitely acting more like scum than town, but not by much

You think Isis is scum?

See, that’s not what I said. You people would make great sleazy politicians that are secretly working with the mafia to mislim people.

I did not say she is scum. I did not say I think she’s scum. I think she’s more likely to be scum than town.

VOTE: Isis
You’ve been playing awful and i don’t like it.

Really? I don’t think Isis was really playing that terribly. She talked a lot about what the hider should do and have a few reads as well. I, for one,

welcome our new insect overlords

think that Isis is probably town.

pretty sure this is simply a scum!gamer forgetting his own read manufactures and scumslipping. He was discussing day1 posts here, the same ones that were all he had to work with when he stated this read before.
can't really indulge NM's desire to be amused with something this clear and obvious. VOTE: GG

What about this bob

I see a rather questionable post by Isis. I see two stances by gamer 3 days apart. 15 september isis was in the top half of his reads. 18 september isis was in the bottom half of his reads. If there is progression I can see that as quite reasonable.

Reading through gamers Iso now.

If there is progression by gamer then I would think it's quite selective quoting by isis. If gamer was talking in 18 september about his read on 15 september then thats a different story.

He was discussing pre-september 15th posts, which makes it more unnatural for the post to not point out that he had changed his mind and used to have a different opinion about my pre september 15th posts.
It's not impossible he forgot to, but it's more likely he's just scum who has to track stances manually

unrelated, could someone remind me who my scumreads are please?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post before you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

i'll post when i want to

post count != post value

what value have you contributed? could you post your readlist for me? who is the scummiest person to you and why?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Somewhere near the divide between scumminess and towniness, on the scummy side.

I'd be interested in a general grouping along the lines of but with more separation if you think it warrants it:

{bob}
{everyone else?}
{bambi, taylor, NM}

interesting that gg is absent from this list. why is it that the person you're voting and is currently discussed didnt make it into the scumpile... hmmm

Wasn’t this just an example from Murdercat? I,e. Not their actual reads?

ohhhhhhhhh. why would murdercat not give actual reads? i guess i see it the way you see it, and those are something like the reads gg posted, but that threw me off. maybe its cuz its 3am and i should be asleep

[Tayl0r Swift]

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post before you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

i'll post when i want to

post count != post value

what value have you contributed? could you post your readlist for me? who is the scummiest person to you and why?

lost since youre actively in the thread atm could you answer this pls?

[Tayl0r Swift]

who is the scummiest person and why?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor seems town.

havent i hardclaimed scum masons?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I like 1161 but that might be me being pocketed by concurrence with a similar thought about GG. Independent thought and approach makes a slot less likely to be bussing, for instance nothing about norwee makes him less likely to be bussing.

1163 is based on a misunderstanding of the post but in the universe it's mistakenly in it's scumhunting.

i mean to be clear i havent really sorted GG yet. im very happily sitting up on my fence waiting to see if gg gets going and makes decent posts. because the posts have been bad, but bad posts != bad guy.

[Tayl0r Swift]

who is the scummiest person and why?

ooof that's tough

i'd say gg. give me a while to pull some concrete stuff together

spicy take. scummy player says the most widely scumread player is probably scum but has to go find reasons because he doesnt have any.

im kinda twisting words here, but... is that the best you can do?

who is the second scummiest player to you and why then? i dont really care how you read gg. everyone is skeptical of gg, so theres not a whole lot to be learned about your unique thoughts there.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Lol like I would ever strategise or co-operate with my partners

It's bob behind the scene organizing it all obviously, we are just puppets

we? since this is a joke post im going to go ahead and assume that the "scumslip" was on purpose. but i still want to put this in my iso.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

i mean... disagree. part of the humor is the shock value or the uncertainty about whether a different perspective is genuine or just crazy. labeling things as jokes takes away from that.

[Tayl0r Swift]

unless isis is a double-voter!!!

[Tayl0r Swift]

unless isis is a double-voter!!!

This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen. First claiming double-voter, which isn’t even in the setup -

this is one of the worst posts ive ever seen. first not finishing your post, but then also -

[Tayl0r Swift]

actually the way murdercat is hard defending isis here makes me think that not only is isis a double-voter, but isis is a scum double-voter partnered with murdercat. its lunchtime people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

UNVOTE:

[Tayl0r Swift]

something something cognitive load

[Tayl0r Swift]

something something cognitive load

your recent posts kinda suck. what's your current thoughts

puppies

[Tayl0r Swift]

do you mean my recent posts where ive been shitposting?

BREAKING NEWS: LOST DECLARES THAT SHITPOSTS ARE GENERALLY INEFFECTIVE TOOLS FOR SCUMHUNTING

[Tayl0r Swift]

thats a good question. i still havent decided on GG. the case is kinda weak and noobtown is just as likely as noobscum to me. theres plenty of scumminess there, but im waiting for GG's next couple posts to make up my mind. you were my top scumread but i think youre town based on your responses to me yesterday. im more of a townhunter anyway, but i do feel weird about not really knowing where to even begin to push other than GG.

[Tayl0r Swift]

to me isis lost and norwee are town.

isis also roleplays doublevoting scum with murdercat, but thats separate from her other role as a townie.

[Tayl0r Swift]

to me isis lost and norwee are town.

isis also roleplays doublevoting scum with murdercat, but thats separate from her other role as a townie.

what about murder? also do you have a read on Bambi?

they are still being sorted. ive seen (and pointed out) some scummy things from both of them, but ive seen townie things too. id be down for wagons on either of them, but more for info/pressure than because i think theyre scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

five and two, respectively.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i guess thats net.

xxxxxxx town xxx scum
murder xx 2 xxxxxx 7
bambi xxx 1 xxxxxx 3

[Tayl0r Swift]

i actl meant linking/quoting the posts lol

that will have to wait until tomorrow. if i forget, remind me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

thats a good question. i still havent decided on GG. the case is kinda weak and noobtown is just as likely as noobscum to me. theres plenty of scumminess there, but im waiting for GG's next couple posts to make up my mind. you were my top scumread but i think youre town based on your responses to me yesterday. im more of a townhunter anyway, but i do feel weird about not really knowing where to even begin to push other than GG.

what's your definition of noon when you say noobtown and noobscum? gg has said he isn't new to mafia, only new to the site.

also which parts of the case are weak?

oh this ones easy. gg says not noob, but i think theres overflowing overconfidence. gg doesnt know how to do basic things that are easy for town to do and easy for scum to fake. gg is sticking out like a sore thumb but i dunno if its because gg is scum or just because gg is gg. thats the question.

[Tayl0r Swift]

what the fuck is happening. another lolhammer? i mean... based on the reactions from gg it looks like it hit scum this time, but can we fucking not?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor are you sad we executed your scum buddy or did you actually care.

i mean it would have been nice to get posts from gg before the hammer for better associative reads. now we move into day 3 with not that much content.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont have much time rn but im checking in: i dont really see isis as scum. i could buy bob or MWNN in particular. AMA, ill reply later.

[Tayl0r Swift]

screw bob! what has bob ever done for us??? really? no one has any questions for me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

so i guess ill just give some reads

town: lost, MWNN, ISIS

PoE: NM is topscum for not immediately hammering. thats NM's whole shtick.
bob looks bad for interactions with GG, and a general lack of solving.
bambi: the claim looks bad to me. Did anyone buy that claim? I doubt it. it seems like it was designed to sow confusion and win townpoints with a bold play that realistically just risked drawing a CC or wasting a track.
PP: i kinda wanna say town but theres not enough there. drunk penguin posted plenty but wasnt helpful in sorting.

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh and bumbi used the fake claim to set up shade on norwee. who is town. i neglected to put norwee in the town column, but norwee is town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

NM: why didnt you lolhammer?

[Tayl0r Swift]

youre obvtown. i can point to posts but is it really necessary?
isis is town for her interactions with myself and norwee. that mindset is always town.
norwee the same as isis.
MWNN has some solvy posts and few scummy posts. im least confident here. dont mind digging up posts if you insist, but im generally against detailed towncasing of people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

to clarify: on all my reads, theres a lot of gut. my gutreads are usually better, and im generally a better townhunter than scumhunter.

[Tayl0r Swift]

youre obvtown. i can point to posts but is it really necessary?
isis is town for her interactions with myself and norwee. that mindset is always town.
norwee the same as isis.
MWNN has some solvy posts and few scummy posts. im least confident here. dont mind digging up posts if you insist, but im generally against detailed towncasing of people.

am curious to the scummy stuff of mwnn if that's available, however if it isn't from something endd2/earlyd3 then just pretend i never asked this.

PoE: NM is topscum for not immediately hammering. thats NM's whole shtick.
bob looks bad for interactions with GG, and a general lack of solving.
bambi: the claim looks bad to me. Did anyone buy that claim? I doubt it. it seems like it was designed to sow confusion and win townpoints with a bold play that realistically just risked drawing a CC or wasting a track.
PP: i kinda wanna say town but theres not enough there. drunk penguin posted plenty but wasnt helpful in sorting.

oh and bumbi used the fake claim to set up shade on norwee. who is town. i neglected to put norwee in the town column, but norwee is town.

do you see more to nmscum than the lack-of-quickhammer?

i also don't agree with you on the bumbi. i'm not seeing much confusion to be sown, and i doubt the real hider would have CC'd. or that the tracker would waste their track om bambi.

can i take it that your votepile is currently {bob, bambi} exclusively?

no id vote NM too.

[Tayl0r Swift]

it seems to me that theres likely scum in {bob, MWNN}. MWNN is ~probably~ town, so VOTE: bob

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think its me

[Tayl0r Swift]

dont have much time rn, but i have to say, in what world do i as scum not hard bus GG yesterday? that was pretty friggin obvious, and so cheap towncred by bussing there is always the play.

[Tayl0r Swift]

how about this: give me this gameday to prove my towniness. If we cant settle on a good lunch, eat me. but my playstyle comes across as pretty scummy even when im town. ill effort and do my best to townspew here. im not surprised theres pressure on me, although im a bit surprised at how quickly that wagon formed on me with naked votes. anyway, gimme time and ill give you town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

What do you mean by "prove your towniness?" Shouldn’t it be natural and everyone radiantly seeing it.

haha not for me. being scummy is my natural tendency. especially as town, i just dont really care how im read. so i say a lot of odd things, and people tend to scumread me for them. but in time the assortment of strange things i say generally adds up to me being town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

vote count 2.23

GeniusGamer (6): MURDERCAT, PenguinPower, Isis, NorwegianboyEE, Lost, Not_Mafia
Tayl0r Swift (2): bob3141, ManWithNoName
Bambi Jay (1): GeniusGamer

Not voting: Tayl0r Swift, Bambi Jay

Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-23 08:00:00)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.


mod notes:
- 1381 & 1382 are both hammers, and no further votes are counted. I'm gonna count 1382.
- quack.

i think there must be at least one scum, but probably two, on yesterday's wagon. the world doesnt make sense without scum bussing here. The obvious choices are PP and NM. out of norway and lost, id say probably norway. i have some lingering doubts there, whereas id bet the game on lost being town at this point.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok lost. help me out here. assume for a minute that I'm town. what does that tell you about the gamestate and where we should be looking for scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

scumcase on bumbi:
a lot of fluff early on. really no content other than advocating vig over tracker
283 talking about who can handle a wagon rather than who is scummy almost feels like it was meant for the scum PT. i dont see why thats relevant to town
fluff
673 strange post denying motivation for the NK. the rest of the post is a bit ??? too.
786 refusing to vote or play the game. weak reasoning for a PP scumread of "feels like pocketing rather than genuine townreads". note that at this point in the game the only vote bumbi has placed was on BM early day 1 during mech discussion, which was parked until EoD.
790 feels like distancing with GG
the rest of the day 2 iso is shading GG without voting there until the lunch becomes inevitable, including a brief unvote.
1408 then theres the weird fake claim

bumbi entered day 3 with the strange push on norwee based around the fake-claim, and then immediately backs off, doesnt do any scumhunting, and sheeps onto bob.

VOTE: bumbi

[Tayl0r Swift]

i decided to reread isos on people and re-evaluate. i started with bumbi more or less randomly, and im kinda glad i did. ill do other people i need to sort or scumcase in the next few days.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok lost. help me out here. assume for a minute that I'm town. what does that tell you about the gamestate and where we should be looking for scum

out of my scumblock, i think you're the least likely to be scum, and so where we should be looking for scum doesn't change for me. still going to be {nm, bob, pp}

heh i guess i started in the wrong place with my isos. what do you think of bumbi/my case?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Penguin you're a gerbil.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hm

[Tayl0r Swift]

what kind of penguin says bray? PP is a liar.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I also went with MWNN because i started to TR but felt like he was an unlikely kill for the mafia.

i thought we should kill MWNN night 1

[Tayl0r Swift]

gg, sorry for playing awful

[Tayl0r Swift]

i for one really struggled with the short days. even as town i need time to settle, but here there were hammers before i decided what i wanted to do so i became obvscum pretty fast.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ive heard that shorter deadlines tend to help town counter to intuition

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think it very much depends on the playstyle of scum. aggro scum players will do better with shorter timelines, but its also very easy to get caught out in a bad spot if the town is moving too fast for you