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[BrightEyedFish]

Badda Bing.

[BrightEyedFish]

Since this game is all about questions...

@Venus Mars and Pluto

If you could use commas in your username, would you or would you not employ an oxford comma?

[BrightEyedFish]

it's ok. just vote for the fish and everything will be fine

Why you do me like that?

[BrightEyedFish]

maria games r the best games

I only joined this game because I like MariaR.

i also joined this game because i like Maria.

i too am here solely due to maria's machinations

I think we found our lynchpool for today. This wagon is obviously full of scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

*anti-wagon

[BrightEyedFish]

Since this game is all about questions...

@Venus Mars and Pluto

If you could use commas in your username, would you or would you not employ an oxford comma?

Is oxford the same as regular? Don’t know why you care but I not only actually tried that but also the “&” sign as well. I’m sure you can townlock me from that important piece of info.



~Mars

Oh... you wanted to use an ampersand? I think you just 3p-slipped right there.

[BrightEyedFish]

vote : fish

lets fry some fish

Don't waste fish by frying it!

Grill or sear me.

[BrightEyedFish]

That's how I wanna go when it's my time. With some salt and pepper and rice on the side.

[BrightEyedFish]

i like fried fish tho

Yes, fried things (esp. fish) are great.

But I want someone to love me before they consume me and not just toss me in some hot oil bath.

[BrightEyedFish]

light v read on tris for not realizing a joke rvs vote was a joke rvs vote

Interesting, I kinda got off vibes from tris from their acknowledgement of me. Albeit true, it feels like they were setting up a

Gamefic

, a fact and comment that is used to support a gamestate world where certain things get pushed into a narrative fact.

While I do have a strong presence in games, I found it odd for Tris to bring that up during my first string of posting, especially because I've been offsite for months. I don't know, it felt subtly manipulative in a harmless way, which is what scum actually do rather than what people think scum do, if that makes sense.

I wasn't going to say anything about it because it's so early in the game, but seeing an exact opposite read, even if it was for a different reason was weird and I want it on record that I found it weird.

A fresh FL, welcome back! I have been way less active too and this is the first game played on BEF in about 5-6 months.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ugh, I feel a tunnel coming, but tris is screaming scum.

I do agree that Tris is giving off town vibes.

Good, I'm not the only one to see it.

What happened between these posts? Are you implying tris is town with scummy posts? Or did your read switch from scum to town?

FTR, my first impression vibes lean towards town wrt tris.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't want to get overzealous, but I also finally have a nice computer now, so modding large themes on a computer instead of my phone, come on now. My next games hopefully will run nicely. I plan to spice the BooneyToonz games up in a cool way soon.

What?!?! You modded your BT games on a phone? Even LNT? I can barely copy/paste on a phone.

[BrightEyedFish]

I have determined that there's not a way to up the posts per page on this website.

This disappoints me.

Well In my experience, if you read the same page twice it doubles the number of posts on that page.

[BrightEyedFish]

Daenerys and Dragons

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Daenerys and Dragons

[BrightEyedFish]

speaking of votes, what's up with the D&D vote? What don't you like about their one post?

I just wanted to vote someone who didn't have a vote on them already.

I didn't want to place a 2nd vote on someone because I don't want to cause any waves yet and I realize that as I am writing this I will be causing waves.

Me realizing that I am causing waves is causing more waves to be caused.

[BrightEyedFish]

...

waves are how the game gets going. why would you avoid them? and doesn't making a naked vote for no apparent reason after RVS create waves?

Just assume it is some master plan I have set into motion that will come full circle and expose all scum at a future point.

[BrightEyedFish]

i need to take a closer look at my neighbor now. i have some biases floating around her in either direction which i don't think are actually related to her alignment. i need to see through that with a clear head

I wouldn't mind fading a neighbor. But if that neighbor flips town then I can't sleep until we we flip the other one.

[BrightEyedFish]

i need to take a closer look at my neighbor now. i have some biases floating around her in either direction which i don't think are actually related to her alignment. i need to see through that with a clear head

I wouldn't mind fading a neighbor. But if that neighbor flips town then I can't sleep until we we flip the other one.

but why? we could both be town, which is of course what i want to figure out.

Both can be town for sure. But I wouldn't want that possibility hanging over my head come late game.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Hayasaka
Notice me senpai
Why did you shade me like you did

I chainsawed Amy, you could say I am doing something wrong but it would the opposite of a shade.
So to answer that question I think you are targetting what you believe to be a low hanging fruit. Ampharos + that avi is far more likely to be a unique ID compared to me who is a clear alt.

Rest of this player list seems decent or is Not_Mafia who isn't pushable day 1 beyond a very late PL.

You admitting to grasping onto something doesn't make me feel better about it. Maybe I can improve my read down the line if you are town I do have time to figure this out and I'd rather solve top-down then bottom up. Tends to lead to better reads. But having a preference to top-down solving isn't going to stop me from seeing something I view as off and acting on it.

I'm also having trouble getting any SRs. I have a few TRs right now but scum is playing smart or laying low.

My current Town leaning block is:
tris
Amp
FL

Everyone else is null as I don't feel strong enough to SR anyone.

UNVOTE:

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Hayasaka
Notice me senpai
Why did you shade me like you did

I chainsawed Amy, you could say I am doing something wrong but it would the opposite of a shade.
So to answer that question I think you are targetting what you believe to be a low hanging fruit. Ampharos + that avi is far more likely to be a unique ID compared to me who is a clear alt.

Rest of this player list seems decent or is Not_Mafia who isn't pushable day 1 beyond a very late PL.

You admitting to grasping onto something doesn't make me feel better about it. Maybe I can improve my read down the line if you are town I do have time to figure this out and I'd rather solve top-down then bottom up. Tends to lead to better reads. But having a preference to top-down solving isn't going to stop me from seeing something I view as off and acting on it.

I'm also having trouble getting any SRs. I have a few TRs right now but scum is playing smart or laying low.

My current Town leaning block is:
tris
Amp
FL

Everyone else is null as I don't feel strong enough to SR anyone.

UNVOTE:

So, you think both neighbors are town huh?

Leaning town based on play alone. If we want go only on mechanics I don't like having a neighbor alive if the other one flipped town.

[BrightEyedFish]

also, i'm curious about the FL read. i don't really know how to read him.

I don't have a fail proof FL read in fact I don't know if I have ever truly SR FL in any of our previous games (even if he turned out to be scum).

But my readon FL this game is just based on vibe and caution if that makes sense.

[BrightEyedFish]

who are the neighbors?

full disclosure: I have a neighbor chat with tris.

Neither of our alignments are mentioned in the chat and (to my knowledge) there's no outside mechanical weirdness tied to it, just a vanilla neighbor chat.

If anything happens in there that gives me cause for concern, I'll let y'all know.

[BrightEyedFish]

also, i'm curious about the FL read. i don't really know how to read him.

I don't have a fail proof FL read in fact I don't know if I have ever truly SR FL in any of our previous games (even if he turned out to be scum).

But my readon FL this game is just based on vibe and caution if that makes sense.

Talk to me about "caution".

Meaning something like, I find its isn't difficult for almost anyone to SR FL due to his style and maybe its that I just default into TRing FL early game because its easier for me. Also, from my exp with him I feel his "style" is pretty much constant regardless of alignment. FL may be scum here but at this early stage and without any hard evidence its worthless to pursue fmpov.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Haya

What are your early thoughts on FL and NM?

[BrightEyedFish]

Is it bad that I want to vote gamma just so the wagon will dissolve because it can't fade there and we can move on to someone else.

VOTE: gamma

[BrightEyedFish]

L-2 BTW

[BrightEyedFish]

F-2 sorry

[BrightEyedFish]

@fish do you have anything to say about like, literally any actual content in the game

- Daenerys

Yes, the gamma wagon is weak. Can we move on?

[BrightEyedFish]

- why is it weak?
- do you suspect anyone on the wagon?
- what wagon would you prefer over gamma’s?

- Daenerys

I mean, you are sitting on that sweet #4 spot--the magical hideout where scum love to rest their feet--So I think that answers The 2nd and 3rd bullet.

Why do I think its weak? Probably because it's the first wagon of the game so its not really built on anything that will give us info if we flip gamma right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

If fish actually thought our slot was scummiest for our positioning on the wagon, why not vote us? Why resort to voting gamma and saying “I hope this deflates the wagon”? It feels like he just made up the other stuff after.

- Daenerys

Sometimes I don't know what I think until it I type it out.

I didn't think about "oh there must be scum on the gamma wagon" until you asked me. Then I went.. "hmm wait a sec"

At first I just didn't like a wagon on gamma and wanted to

fish

around somewhere else. Then I thought, well good point there is probably scum on this wagon. More so if gamma flips town at some point.

"Hot diggity damn" was my next thought. Double D is on that coveted scum 4th spot. And out of all these players voting gamma, maybe.... just maybe...

Let's inspect the other 3...

Hayasaka:

I purposely asked Haya what they thought of FL and NM. But do you know why I asked Haya this question about those 2 specific players?
No, because you didn't ask.

Up until the point I asked this question. Haya, who is a top poster, had exactly 0 mentions or interactions with FL or NM but had interactions with every other player.

See, I

have

reasons for what I do.

PookyTheMagicalFriedFishEatingBear:

How do I not know this slot? At least I don't think I do. Quick wit, short posts. I feel the connection we share but...
Would probably be 2nd most likely to be scum on the wagon, granted NM isn't, see below...

Not_Mafia:

Like it has been said a few times before... NM is NM. Is probably scum but could be town. Is probably town but could be scum. I just hope he says nice things in this game and doesn't rough talk me. But I can't sort this slot right now but always has a PF aura about their person.

So basically I settled on Double D as the most likely scum on that wagon due to POE and the middle +1 spot on a wagon.

My methods aren't flawless but its how I roll.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can you explain how you are "POEd" down to our slot out of the people on the gamma wagon? you don't seem to actually be townreading anyone else on said wagon nor did you say anything about them was AI. I'm having a hard time believing that this is a genuine POE.

- Daenerys

I thought I did.

I TR Haya the most out of you 4.

Pooky and NM could be scum but also YOU could be scum. All 3 on that regard weigh about the same more or less. The scale tips more towards scum!you because of your positioning on the wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

I purposely asked Haya what they thought of FL and NM. But do you know why I asked Haya this question about those 2 specific players?
No, because you didn't ask.

Up until the point I asked this question. Haya, who is a top poster, had exactly 0 mentions or interactions with FL or NM but had interactions with every other player.

Was this supposed to indicate that you’re townreading haya?

Like I’m not really sure how this is relevant

- Daenerys

It's how I started to sort that slot. Right now Haya is looking green.

[BrightEyedFish]

Did you have a read on gamma at that point? do you have thoughts about the 6 pages between your last post and that one?

I don't SR gamma and if we don't get a counter wagon to gamma then its a wasted day. Maybe we would get lucky and gamma would flip red but I don't see how we could extract anything from a gamma fade if we just blaze on through.

But anyways, in most games the 1st "major" wagon of the game usually dissolves and I was just advocating to get to the next one.

You asking me caught my attention and I played with the idea that you might be scum and I connected pieces to make a narrative that makes sense.
But honestly, I don't SR for your posts alone. But if I had to choose someone to be scum on that gamma wagon it would be you.

[BrightEyedFish]

About those 6 pages, I don't know. I'll have to re-read. But I don't remember too much standing out.

[BrightEyedFish]

But maybe I just skimmed it too quick and got all hot and bothered when I saw the VC.

[BrightEyedFish]

I guess I'm not really clear on how your joining the gamma wagon gets us to the next wagon. Can you explain that/why you chose to do that instead of simply starting another wagon?

- Daenerys

I think F-1 votes are sometimes more AI than the actual hammer.

The wagon is at F-2. Either someone will F-1 the wagon and we do the whole claim thing or we get the quick unvotes and rebuild the wagon elsewhere.

[BrightEyedFish]

I just hope he says nice things in this game and doesn't rough talk me.

Silence oaf

I'm still holding out hope that under those bouncing udders is a heart full of love.

[BrightEyedFish]

i feel like i'm getting too many townreads. i'll have to figure that out when i get to the present

Having too many townreads isn't a bad thing. It anything it helps you focus on your more questionable reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why not advance something else then instead of complaining?

Dragons

Read Daeny's posts.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why not advance something else then instead of complaining?

Dragons

Read Daeny's posts.

I did and I didn't see an explanation?

VOTE: Daenerys and Dragons

[BrightEyedFish]

Now, I am advancing something else.

[BrightEyedFish]

I almost feel like you saw the posts between my slot and their slot earlier, and while I was posting and around, you decided to push there and get momentum from me swinging that way.

Could this post be deciphered to suggest that DnD and I are of different alignments?

[BrightEyedFish]

Damn, I’m going back and looking at BEF’s posts and it comes off as super red.

I’ve seen BEF town games a lot, i feel like I should be able to town read you

You can and you should TR me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Now, I am advancing something else.

Lol you sure are

What would you have me do, my lord?

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh and DnD is scum

I've never really understood jjh but somehow he is usually right.

[BrightEyedFish]

let's do it then

You can have my sword...

[BrightEyedFish]

I’m cool with the dnd hydra.

If they’re red, they’re absolutely not gonna be able to deep wolf this game.

Which makes me think they’re green gonna get misexecuted.

yikes

- Can you explain your read on us?
- why would an inability to deepwolf indicate town?

- Daenerys

No FL but I think scum!you (if not faded today) will be outed somehow. Maybe through an invest or vig or something like that.

[BrightEyedFish]

That settles it

V/la til Saturday

Again, sorry team!

Who is this team?

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma wagon dissipating, that’s interesting.

I told everyone it was going to happen.

[BrightEyedFish]

That settles it

V/la til Saturday

Again, sorry team!

Who is this team?

sigh

Be honest, did you expect anything else from me?

[BrightEyedFish]

Just some BEF speculation here.

It appears that FL is a double voter although there hasn't been a VC that's confirmed it.

But I don't see why FL would like about it. Anyways...

Could that mean that Gamma's vote is not mistakenly missing from the VC and is just a mech aspect of the game?

That would mean there hasn't been a hammer.

Does DnD know this and that is why I feel their response to the hammer is disingenuous? Or are they just scum who believe they have been hammered?


Remember, this is just speculation but wouldn't it be cool if it were true?

[BrightEyedFish]

I am actually upset that we didn’t get a chance to defend ourselves. I don’t think that’s ever fair.

The day hasn't ended yet.

[BrightEyedFish]

This feels like where I want to start today. After looking through DnD's ISO

FoS: Kaname Dat, Not_Mafia and tris.

DnD's and Kaname interactions feel polite and friendly.

This has been said 100 times, NM is NM and it still feels like a 50-50 slot. But... DnD never really said anything either way about the slot.

DnD was obsessed with knowing why FL had a SR on tris. So this intrigues me.

[BrightEyedFish]

DnD was obsessed with knowing why FL had a SR on tris. So this intrigues me.

honestly in a vacuum this strikes me as more indicative of FL town than tris scum

which intrigues me

I thought about that but then... I know it's pure speculation but I don't think scum!FL would have hammered his partner like that. Because at that time even though I was for the DnD fade, I think it could have been derailed and I didn't get the feeling that DnD resigned to the fade before the hammer.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

In other words,

FL's hammer did not feel like it was planned with DnD.

[BrightEyedFish]

Oh Amp, I totally misunderstood your post...

[BrightEyedFish]

DnD was obsessed with knowing why FL had a SR on tris. So this intrigues me.

honestly in a vacuum this strikes me as more indicative of FL town than tris scum

which intrigues me

That's exactly what I meant. Hence why I have tris in my FoS and not FL.

[BrightEyedFish]

also same question on my side, is what dnd said the only reason you fos me or is there more?

Its the main reason yes.

[BrightEyedFish]

also, Fish, i am polite and friendly to everyone. except for FL, apparently. but that's because i think he knows any insults are only in jest. :>

And that by itself is not a bad thing at all. I am also talking about DnD's vibe in the dialogue with you as well

[BrightEyedFish]

I support the DP venge on NM.

However, I would rather do a straight fade on NM at this point in the game.

I'll vote NM right now but if I'll let DP decide his own fate and join if he requests.

VOTE: not mafia

[BrightEyedFish]

Can we conftown Amp after those series of posts? I tried to find something scummy and came up with zilch.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can we conftown Amp after those series of posts? I tried to find something scummy and came up with zilch.

Eh, i got some scum vibes from it.

Yeah, 1053 ruined it.

[BrightEyedFish]

VC later

Does this mean the duel/gladiator thing is a farce?

[BrightEyedFish]

Can we conftown Amp after those series of posts? I tried to find something scummy and came up with zilch.

Why were you trying to find something tho

Because this is a game where the sole point in to find scum...

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF even commented about how they changed their mind when he said their 1053 or whatever post it was ruined it

1053 just seems like a joke to me?????

The timing was way off for me to take it as just a joke.

[BrightEyedFish]

IRT the Duel, I would like to start off with a read lists from both of the duelists.

[BrightEyedFish]

so am I just supposed to

VOTE: DoctorPepper

and say who I would prefer you to venge?

[BrightEyedFish]

If NM would just give us something maybe... but nothing has come and nothing will come.

We just need to get out from under the NM cloud.

[BrightEyedFish]

current

This is a weird thought I am having but maybe its something.
The defense has similar vibe as when DnD kinda defended Gamma.

This makes me want to think gamma and NM are the same alignment. They could both be scum or both be town.


P. S.
I was sick the past few days (corona negative) so that explains my lack of posting. Feeling much better now.

[BrightEyedFish]

That links up to the wrong post because the only post I used that word was when I gave my response to KD.

*(((HUGS)))*

I hope you feel better and I’m extremely glad to hear that you’re negative. Can you link the mosts in question: re: Gamma/NM?

Thanks.

~M

Here is the NM post again:

I just find N_M will solve, will have high post density.
But will just never explain anything as town.

And I don't particularly take issue with the first 2 lines. I think is actual current lack of presence is incredibly bizarre for him.
From a crowd analysis standpoint he also isn't under much if any pressure which just strikes me as odd for a field that should be full of scum?

Definitely something I hadn’t thought of - do you mean you’d expect a town!NM to be more low hanging fruit-y and that scum would be trying to drive or set up a miselim on him?

- Daenerys

And here are some gamma posts that give me that same vibe as the NM posts.

Spoiler:

Is it bad that I want to vote gamma just so the wagon will dissolve because it can't fade there and we can move on to someone else.

VOTE: gamma

Who says it can’t?

Do you have a read on gamma?

This

might be the dumbest reason for a vote I’ve ever seen.

- Daenerys

Let's put this to rest.

I've been playing casually since 2011, seriously since 2016. I'm a site administrator at MafiaUniverse.com.

Assertions that I'm new are incorrect as well as annoying, and I guarantee you that's NAI.

Yeah I don’t think someone of this experience level would be self-conscious like I was initially thinking, or feel much need to play defensively regarding mechanics
UNVOTE:

hmmm

I think my feeling of weirdness re: Gamma is more that I didn't read Ampharos' post as self-conscious at all, and even if you assumed that she was new to mafia, I still wouldn't have read her posts as self-conscious, so calling them such seems off to me. Iirc there were several people calling Ampharos towny for outing the neighborhood, so it feels like this could be a shallow attempt to prevent her from becoming a universal TR, if that makes sense

Did you have a read on gamma at that point? do you have thoughts about the 6 pages between your last post and that one? my immediate reaction to that vote is that you're blatantly not fishing elsewhere.

Can you explain how you are "POEd" down to our slot out of the people on the gamma wagon? you don't seem to actually be townreading anyone else on said wagon nor did you say anything about them was AI. I'm having a hard time believing that this is a genuine POE.

- Daenerys

If fish actually thought our slot was scummiest for our positioning on the wagon, why not vote us? Why resort to voting gamma and saying “I hope this deflates the wagon”? It feels like he just made up the other stuff after.

- Daenerys

[BrightEyedFish]

I reckon it's NM/Gamma rn, tbh

jjh is 100% so far in this game. jus' sayin'.

[BrightEyedFish]

I reckon it's NM/Gamma rn, tbh

jjh is 100% so far in this game. jus' sayin'.

you know this is a) super disingenuous given us having one fade so far and b) concerning given BEF's position on me d1

Not really, as I said that you and NM are probably the same alignment to too long ago before jjh made this post.

[BrightEyedFish]

I’m the only one in it.

Pooky’s also in it because they died.

Huh?

[BrightEyedFish]

Like they flip scum, that clears me, if town, I’ll be able to talk to them tonight.

I don't see how a town Amy flip clear you since we can't tell if you can talk to them.

[BrightEyedFish]

FTR, if this is a FL gambit then I picture him making the same gesture as Lip in his avatar.

[BrightEyedFish]

Both are fine with me.

HURT: NM
or
HURT: Amy

[BrightEyedFish]

I actually think this is a gambit and FL is good enough to pull it off, but I don't have the charisma to convince anyone right now.

~Venus

Well I'm willing to go with that

+1 I think.

It's doesn't seem very logical that his flavor as the Fool has this type of role.

[BrightEyedFish]

You’re suggesting we coroner NM if he flips red?

~M

What information would we get that wouldn't be in the flip post? The other flips had the entire role PM.

[BrightEyedFish]

From the wiki:

"A Coroner is a role that can target a dead player to discern information about them, typically serving as a counter to No Reveal mechanics."

[BrightEyedFish]

Coroner was the evidence of janitor when i thought that’s what it did

Yeah but if NM is janitored then we wouldn't get his alignment right?

[BrightEyedFish]

From the wiki:

"A Coroner is a role that can target a dead player to discern information about them, typically serving as a counter to No Reveal mechanics."

Right. Scum probably have a flipless thing about them which means if they’re flipless in my medium, they can still push the game in a certain direction.

Nothing confirmed, I’m just speculating. I’ll stop.

Maybe, but DnD flipped. Also, I just checked his flip post again. There was nothing about a Scum PT in there. But this too is just speculation at this point

Daenerys and Dragons has been faded. They were...

Spoiler: The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.

Welcome Daenerys and Dragons you are

The Devil

You are a 1 shot action negator/mailman sided with with the Mafia

Abilities:

The first action used on your target won't work in the event more than one action is used on your target negitive actions take priority
During the night you may pm me a message to send to another player.

It is now night 1. Send actions to MariaR.

(expired on 2020-08-29 23:00:00)

[BrightEyedFish]

Also i have no idea what “iow” or “ftt” mean

iow is in other words I think.

ftt, not for sure.

[BrightEyedFish]

I lean on it being Gamma/NM now. I scum read FL because I found a lot of evidence of him either wanting to or talking about utilizing quick hammers as scum.
With minimal evidence of him wanting to do it as town, when I should have found 3x as many instances of town him doing it.

But his role made him want to be on the wagon so I sorta get it?

I hate to say it but basing your FL read for quick or lol hammering will give you a 50-50 chance of hitting scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

I should vote DrP so he comes to my medium tbh

I’m asking you not to so Auro can give his thought, which he will be able to do tomorrow. What’s the rush if you’re town?

~M

Don't we have to fade DP in this situation? Or are you suggesting a late switch to Haya?!?!?!

Also, I thought the NM venge was already decided? What changed?

[BrightEyedFish]

Well in any case I PM'd my venge anyway and stated in thread. Maybe it's just to give more time for Poorly assessment?

Ok. But just to be sure you should resubmit the venge after the official hammer.
Don't want to spoil it over a logistical error.

[BrightEyedFish]

And if I’m Town

That "if" is almost as sexy as Nancy's in LNT.

[BrightEyedFish]

Like honestly I feel there’s actually a lot that should make me town, but it seems no one is bothering to look for it so fuck it why not just speed the process up.
Plus I have a plan. Some could say it’s the greatest.

sorry for being lazy right now.

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i don't think we should do gamma today. i want to remove not_mafia. but if gamma is a serious possibility here, i guess i should stop being lazy.

I want everyone who isn't NM and DrP to give a rating of whether they'd mind me going via the venge

Prefer NM first.

You and Amy would be my alternatives.

[BrightEyedFish]

A no lynch this early in game is lame.

[BrightEyedFish]

Town, I'm shooting NM. I'm a bit worried that the optimal scum play in this situation was to be quiet and allow town discussion to revolve around the venge and not other means of scum hunting.

Too many games I played as town where I tunneled another player and scum was in the background being complacent because they weren't suspected.

My twilight statement is for town to analyze whoever was not actively participating in day 2 for tomorrow's Elim.

I mean sure go for Gamma but I'm worried that this fight allows scum to just stay in the background while town implodes

I concur. The coversation is getting to frayed and we need to reel it in.

Just self hammer and resubmit your NM venge please.

[BrightEyedFish]

Ironically, you're the player I had in mind in my post 1959

Town, I'm shooting NM. I'm a bit worried that the optimal scum play in this situation was to be quiet and allow town discussion to revolve around the venge and not other means of scum hunting.

I assume you are talking about this part of 1959.

I think we had enough talk about the venge and everything else about today. We already have 3 (and it could be argued undeeded atm) claims from people not in the duel today iirc (FL, VMP and Gamma).

Straying now from the concrete info your flip and the venge flip will give us only muddies the water. Sorry, if I don't want to go deeper today but the focus isn't there.

I didn't think about FL's ability when I asked about the self hammer. I have no problem waiting on that. He can V1 Haya or V1 No Fade and V2 you. What's the problem with that or whatever he wants.

Barring the double vote, I don't 100% believe the rest of his claim and even if he is lying about the 2nd part it isn't AI for FL.

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Also, I don't think there is "legally" a way to verify that FL has a PT with Pooky without violating the "discussing ongoing games" rule.

[BrightEyedFish]

Lemme know if anyone supports this before I submit tomorrow morning (my time)

I say stay the course. Not venge on NM now just makes this entire day a waste.

[BrightEyedFish]

Scum would TOTALLY want town!NM alive as long as possible.

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma completely twisted an entire narrative in regards to me acting like I should have changed my reads based on their self defeatist act?
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I'm not buying gamma defeatist gambit thing at all. This isn't why I SR gamma but the acutal "gambit" AND the announcement that he made a gambit are both meh to me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Gamma is making sure that I lose momentum against Ampharos.

Trust me, there is no momentum lost against Amy. But the best play here is to venge NM.

That leaves, with what we have now, gamma and Amy as the tentative FOS come tomorrow.

I suspect that some people with night actions to sort one or both of those slots tonight.

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Scum would TOTALLY want town!NM alive as long as possible.

Scum would want scum Not Mafia alive too.

Yes. I know.

Scum want NM alive if he is town or scum. So why should we do what scum wants?

[BrightEyedFish]

Listen, its DPs call. He can do what he wants but me and the majority are settled on the NM fade. Changing that last minute is just a slap in the face and just puts us back to square one tomorrow.

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The only reason I'm hesitating is that Gamma right now is Really scummy

Gamma would be my 2nd choice for the venge and I stated that before. If you do decide to pass on NM then venge Gamma.

NM alive tomorrow at this point is really like throwing a wrench in the works because we will have to wagon that slot tomorrow.

Then we will have to wait because someone will suggest something like "We have 10 more days until deadline, lets not rush things"

Then, something like what is going on right now with Gamma will come along and the NM wagon may get dismantled, and voila, Its the day after tomorrow and NM is still alive.

The cycles repeats itself until we all fall in a rabbit hole with NM utter's bouncing around all the while we are getting drunk on his dirty milk.

Then, it's GG my friend. G fucking G.

[BrightEyedFish]

Then discuss the merits of Gamma tomorrow?

I'm a bit worried that if NM stays alive, Day 3 will be exactly like Day 2 wherein town will go "Oh wait NM is alive I can't read him"

Bro, the scum NM I know just allowed himself to be the Elim for the game

Town NM actively states who they think scum is and pushes the wagon there

+1

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If Gamma can get a false inno, then why are we putting so much trust in an investigative on NM?

And in the first place, why do we need an investigative on NM if we can just flip him now.

I would be more apprehensive if I hadn't seen Town NM be a tour de force

Again +1.

DP, thanks for your sacrifice. Promise to not stop giving FL shit in his faded people party when NM flips scum here.

[BrightEyedFish]

If Gamma can get a false inno, then why are we putting so much trust in an investigative on NM?

And in the first place, why do we need an investigative on NM if we can just flip him now.

I would be more apprehensive if I hadn't seen Town NM be a tour de force

Again +1.

DP, thanks for your sacrifice. Promise to not stop giving FL shit in his faded people party when NM flips scum here.

THIS IS THE GOD FUCKING DAMN REASON FOR MY FUCKING FIRE RIGHT NOW IN THE FIRST PLACE

NOT MAFIA FLIPS SCUM PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO FUCKING FLAVOR SCUM

BUT AMPHAROS AND GAMMA SETUP A FUCKING SITUATION WHERE IF NOT MAFIA FLIPS TOWN THEY GONNA GO FUCKING FLAVOR SCUM

I AM FUCKING TOWN

You obvtowned to me pretty early in this game. It would take some substantial stuff to make that read change.

[BrightEyedFish]

This entire fucking situation as been setup by scum.

Not Mafia is town because of it

Haya and DP set this up.

[BrightEyedFish]

This entire fucking situation as been setup by scum.

Not Mafia is town because of it

Haya and DP set this up.

This is a surface level comment.

I could see Hayasaka and Ampharos being setup.

DrP did not set this up.

I mean that Haya wanted to Gladiate so he did. DrP agreed to use his venge on who the majority wanted.

NM has been a frontrunner for the venge since the beginning iirc.

[BrightEyedFish]

I’m really loud right now, but know I’m just a loud passionate person and I’m not doing it necessarily in anger or hate

Really, I'm not trying to fuel your fire. Your "passion" is coming through in your posts. I just think it's the wrong play.

[BrightEyedFish]

Alright, well I'm off to a early bed time. Its a fun dialogue going on right now but RL beckons.

DrP, You know where I stand but I will support your decision if you decide someone else is better.

[BrightEyedFish]

NM's and Amy's flips really set up a Gamma fade today on the "surface" as FL would say. Is it that obvious?

[BrightEyedFish]

I would appreciate it if everyone who hasn't already would claim their flavour though

I am the high priestess

Should we claim all willy-nilly or should we setup some order for everyone?

[BrightEyedFish]

Nancy, Gamma got a clear?

Yes. So he’s either town or he did a self-directed bus drive. If he actually is town, I’ll have some post-redacting to do from our hydra PT post-game.

~M

NAR question here.

Let's say Gamma was RB'd and did a self-directed bus drive... how would that resolve?

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Tris

[BrightEyedFish]

What does FLs 1st vote do again? RB?

[BrightEyedFish]

Multiple town RBers in this game size is kinda weird OP right?

[BrightEyedFish]

who's a rber?

[BrightEyedFish]

Did Gamma say who she bus drived?

[BrightEyedFish]

*he

[BrightEyedFish]

Ia nobody listening to me?

[BrightEyedFish]

IS NOBODY LISTENING TO ME?

It's ok. I have to yell form up in this tower. I forgive you all. Don't know if it changes anything re: gamma but maybe it will help.

[BrightEyedFish]

What was that game, BooneyToonz 4?

Yeah, the one with Symbiotic

Also what’s up BEF?

Barring no interference you were RB'd last night.

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@KD, I don’t know what you’re role is but unless we fade Gamma today, if BEF is williboosted and rbs him, he can’t redirect you, so I think either works.

~M

@BEF, you’re an ungated rb, correct?

~M

Non Consecutive. I holstered N1. So I'll be up again on N4.

I can also 1-shot day commute someone.

Haven't used it yet.

[BrightEyedFish]

Day commute? Don’t you mean night? because if you can self-target at night I would but a day commute would do what? prevent someone from voting? Well if we fade Tris, then Gamma is the only logical option if it actually happens during the day.

~M

I have to perform the action during the day, the targets commutes that night. It has something like a loud modifier too so it will be confirmed to everyone.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

target*

[BrightEyedFish]

Have we confirmed the existence of the medium?

[BrightEyedFish]

I got the go-ahead from Mod to ask this.

@FL @Pooky

Ask Pooky to tell you who his Week 1 and Week 2 Matchups are against in FF.

[BrightEyedFish]

Fish: Unclaimed/Tower? - reversed?
- non-consecutive roleblocker
- 1-shot day commuter
- resisting change, delaying disaster

Tower is correct.

[BrightEyedFish]

Anyone home?

[BrightEyedFish]

It's so quiet.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think your activity times just don’t line up with the rest of us, except I guess jjh

Yeah. That CET life on MS.

[BrightEyedFish]

I could self commute I guess but I am also entertaining the idea about possibly stopping the NK, assuming 2 scum left. For that to work we would most likely need a scum flip today and I guess right on the remaining one. However, I would have to choose a target before we reach a fade.

Also, scum could also holster the NK and frame the commuted target.

[BrightEyedFish]

Actually, I guess BEF/Gamma is a possibility

Suggesting I am scum at this point just lowers the stock of your other reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

tris
Gamma Emerald
jjh927
FL

So if I am understanding where the room is at right now, these 4 are the top runners for the remaining Scum team? I'm trying to solidify my PoE a little more thoroughly.

[BrightEyedFish]

tris
Gamma Emerald
jjh927
FL

So if I am understanding where the room is at right now, these 4 are the top runners for the remaining Scum team? I'm trying to solidify my PoE a little more thoroughly.

is this your impression of how the game as a whole is feeling?
are there certain players whose opinions you trust more, or is this just crowdsourcing.

Thats pulled from "crowdsourcing" but it pretty much aligns with my thoughts.
A town!tris owuld blow that open but I don't think that will happen. I felt certain that NM would flip scum so that was a blow to my confidence.

[BrightEyedFish]

Does a commute function similarly to a roleblock? If so, I think that BEF should commute jjh.

~M

It roleblocks and prevents them from being targeted by someone else as well.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf


That easy?

[BrightEyedFish]

oh and thanks KD, nice pick.

[BrightEyedFish]

Do you think we could have more than 3 scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

Nice, 75% success on the fades. (Sorry NM)

[BrightEyedFish]

Start at post 1605.

Look at the first word of the first post, the second word of the second post, and so on

This is what would have confirmed FL's role

you sly devil

[BrightEyedFish]

I no killed hoping BEF day commuted JJH, and Gamma was getting roleblocked.

Oh I'm sorry FL. Didn't mean to mess your game up

All in all it was a fun and pleasant game. We got lucky with the D1 fade and everything just happened to fall in place irt night actions.

[BrightEyedFish]

I had explicitly resolved to fade you today no matter whether you said you wanted it or not

I mean, I was setting you up as well, in the circumstances I needed, i personally don’t think it would have mattered.

You played well, but I played around you the whole game and had you been commuted, and a no kill went, you likely would have been the fade by no fault of your own.

If he had been commuted, KD kill would have still fucked you but had he not died, I would have 100% insisted on having him reveal his arcana, so that would have you looked a lot worse than jjh. Like I said, if you read KD’s posts very closely, it looked like he mostly suspected jjh because of his arcana, regardless of what his true intentions were.

I didn’t kill KD. Said that like four times. I don’t know how they died.

And yes, that’s just another par of the setup that helped town out so much. This game was incredibly town sided.

Muabe his counter thing ran out and that's why he died.

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Thanks Maria and Dunn for modding and all the effort put into the organization/flavor!