Gypyx's Mini Normal Review, August 2020

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Hello, i signed up to mod a mini normal, if i didn't mess up anything i must send you the setup?

Anyways here it is

Public info :

All threads have daytalk
Ratio is 10 : 3

Setup :
Town Vengeful
Town Combined Vigilante Hider
Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Mailman
VT *5
Mafia Odd-night Complex PT cop
Mafia Informed (knows that there is an ascetic player in the game)
Mafia Goon

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Primary: schadd_
Secondary: Something_Smart

[Gypyx]

So, here were my thoughts behind the setup

I wanted a setup with

Spreaded town power (to help with consistency / avoid forcing players to just try to stay alive so that they can use thier power)

Farily high kill potential (first time modding, so i'd like to keep that game fairly short, and i like to reward town for having good reads)

Original / underused roles (might be obvious by looking at the setup)

But other than that the setup is fairly random, i tried to keep a small synergy between the roles while still leaving doubt if massclaim happens

And also, this setup isn't the one i originally designed, but while submitting it, i realized that a role was non-normal so i made a quick fix, maybe it is scumsided but i'm not sure

[Something_Smart]

Beep boop

How does a vigilante hider work? Wouldn't they die because their target dies?

[Gypyx]

Exactly, a suicide bomber basically

[Something_Smart]

Idk if I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut until the primary has said his piece but it's schadd so I bet he won't care.

Feels fairly scumsided to me. The vig effectively has the power to dictate the execution for one cycle at the cost of being the NK, which makes it roughly equivalent to one conftown. The role watcher can clear the doctor if the two happen to coordinate. Probably the strongest thing that can happen is if the vengeful gets a kill and then the doctor gets a save, but that seems unlikely because scum will probably know to shoot the ascetic claim when they are on evens.

[Gypyx]

I see, i'm trying to find ways to rebalance this but i'll wait for schadd's opinion

[schadd_]

yes it is scumsided - in dispersing the roles you've left none of them very powerful

to begin with i would describe mailman as nothing, neighborhood as nothing and role watcher as close to nothing - a good benchmark for these is that they can't really produce alignment-based info on their own (you would think that players are able to sort better in a neighborhood but empirically that seems to not be very true)

vengeful + suicide bomber, with their powers combined, resemble a 1-shot vig

and then theres a slightly gated doctor, which is still strong but not enough to carry here

if you turned the vigilante into just a full ungated vigilante, i'd think we town was still short. adding some other invest power (something small to combine with the mailman? sounds fun) would do it

[schadd_]

Idk if I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut until the primary has said his piece

the secondary reviewer has freedom of expression

[Gypyx]

Hmmmm, how about this?

Town Vengeful
Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop
Town 1-shot bulletproof
VT *4
Mafia Odd-night Complex PT cop
Mafia Informed (knows that there is an ascetic player in the game)
Mafia Goon

Changes made :

Vigilante Hider -> Novice 3-shot Vigilante
Mailman -> Combined Mailman / Vanilla cop
And add a 1-shot bulletproof

[Gypyx]

Or, would a universal backup be a good alternative to some of these changes?

[schadd_]

bothered by the fewness of vanilla roles here - it is generally preferred that at least half of town are VTs. you can solve this by putting the BP on one of the roles - vengeful would be a good idea. i'd pass with that change after i saw the role PMs

not really into UB for this setup, i think it is a more meaningful role when there are fewer PRs

[Gypyx]

So

Town Vengeful 1-shot bulletproof
Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop
VT *5
Mafia Odd-night Complex PT cop
Mafia Informed (knows that there is an ascetic player in the game)
Mafia Goon

Writing the role PM's

[Gypyx]

Just realized i mixed up two roles, i meant to use a traffic analysist instead of a PT cop, i'm changing to that as it doesn't cause much of a difference, i hope you don't mind

[Gypyx]

Role Pm's

town 1-shot bulletproof Vengeful

Welcome to the game ! You are a

Town 1-shot bulletproof Vengeful

If you are executed, you may choose to kill someone during twilight

You also are passively protected from the first kill that targets you

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

When executed :

You have been executed ! You have 24 hours to sumbit someone to kill, or to tell that you don't kill anyone

Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

Welcome ! You are a

Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

On any night following night 1, and 3 times during the game, you may choose to kill someone

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Town Ascetic Indecisive Neighbour Doctor

Welcome ! You are a

Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour

You are part of a Neighborhood along with [PLAYER] you may talk here at any time

You may, each night, target a player that you haven't targeted last night, that player will be protected from kills this night

You are Ascetic, meaning that every non-kill action that targets you will fail

Your Goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Town Role-Watcher Neighbour

Welcome ! You are a

Town Role Watcher Neighbour

You are part of a Neighborhood along with [PLAYER] you may talk here at any time

You may each night, watch someone, you will know the role of every person who targeted them but not who targeted them

Your Goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Results :

You saw the following roles visit [TARGET] :

• You didn't see anyone visit [TARGET]
  
  You didn't receive any result, your action failed
  
  
  Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

  Welcome ! You are a

  Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

  
  
  You may each night, target a player, you will both
  - make the moderator send them a private message of your choice, this message will be specified as coming from another player
  -check if the player you target is a Vanilla role or not
  
  Your Goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here
  
  
  Results PM :
  
  [TARGET] is not a Vanilla role
  
  [TARGET] is a Vanilla role
  
  You didn't receive any result, your action failed
  
  Mail PM :
  
  You received a private message from another player ! It says : [MAIL]
  
  
  Vanilla Townie

  Welcome ! You are a

  Vanilla Townie

  
  
  You posess no ability other than your voice and your vote
  
  Your Goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here
  
  
  
  Mafia Odd-Night Complex Traffic Analyst

  Welcome ! You are a

  Mafia Odd-Night Complex Traffic Analyst

  
  
  You are a member of the mafia, along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] you may talk in your factional chathere you may also chose perform the factional nightkill
  
  On Odd-nights (night 1, 3, 5 ect...) you may Target a player, you will learn if that player has access to private communication, your action will fail if you target a Vanilla player
  
  You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this from happening, you may find the game thread here
  
  
  Results PM :
  
  [TARGET] has access to private communication
  
  [TARGET] doesn't has access to private communication
  
  You didn't receive any result, your action failed
  
  
  Mafia Informed

  Welcome ! You are a

  Mafia Informed

  
  
  
  You are a member of the mafia, along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] you may talk in your factional chathere you may also chose perform the factional nightkill
  
  You know that there is an ascetic player in the game, this information will be redacted upon your flip
  
  You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this from happening, you may find the game thread here
  
  
  
  Mafia Goon

  Welcome ! You are a

  Mafia Goon

  
  
  You are a member of the mafia, along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] you may talk in your factional chathere you may also chose perform the factional nightkill
  
  You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this from happening, you may find the game thread here

[Gypyx]

Uhhh, sorry for the size problems, my mistake

Also, i guess i should get a backup mod, where is a good place to ask i someone would want to be a backup mod?

[Gypyx]

Nevermind, found the backup mod subforum

[schadd_]

role PMs good

Q for implo: does rolewatcher give a full rolecop result on the perpetrator or just the component that did the action

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It gives a Full rolecop result (but without saying on who).

Role watcher: target a player. You will receive a list of all roles that target them, or you will be told that your action failed. This ability sees roles, not actions; so, for instance, if a loyal cop targets someone, this role would say that a loyal cop targeted them. If a doctor fruit vendor protected someone, this role would say that a doctor fruit vendor targeted them, but would not be able to tell whether they were protected or vended to.

[Gypyx]

So... review is done or is there still stuff left to do? (sorry if i sound impatient, i might be overhyped to mod this ^^')

[schadd_]

this is ready for signups

[Gypyx]

Alright, thanks for reviewing

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in putting this setup into signups, i am realizing that this review team has underscore synergy

[Gypyx]

Thanks, by the way i'm still looking for a backup moderator (more as a safety measure) and i haven't received anyone interested so would someone here mind giving a hand?