[CHALLENGE] October Challenge

[Isis]

Can the player be informed they received the power role but be uncertain the exact nature of the power role they've received?

[Isis]

Fae of Wishes

11 Townies

3 Mafia

During day 1, players may first/second/nth a motion to invite a player from outside the game to become a faerie. The moderator will contact users who are "6thed" and confirm up to three acceptances in the thread. Faeries win with the town.
Night 1, there is no factional nightkill and a random

Townie

becomes

Favoured by the Fae

. The following things are true about you if you are

Favoured by the Fae

for as long as you are

Favoured by the Fae

:

• You are eliminationproof
  
• You have daytalk and nighttalk in the Fae PT, where all three faeries also have daytalk and nighttalk
  
• You have a night action that will cause you to no longer be
  Favoured by the Fae
  and will cause your target to become
  Favoured by the Fae
  . It will fail if the target is mafia or is being visited by mafia.

The mafia are multiacting and have a factional roleblock. Faeries have no activity requirement and won't be replaced.

[Isis]

9v4?
And only neighbors?
10v3 mountainous is scumsided.
Neighbors aren't townsided.
Er... where did you get that balancing from?

It's a nightless setup, so generally, you want the number of scum to be a bit higher. I should clarify though that mafia don't have a night kill Night 1; night 1 exists simply to facilate the draft.

By the Nightless Expectation Rule, a nightless setup with no power roles is balanced (by EV standards) if scum make up a quarter of the number of players. I've made it 4 scum though because in practice, town performs better in nightless setups.

Sorry, missed that Nightless bit.
But 9v4 Nightless could drag out for a long time. I don't like big nightless setups. Especially not setups like these. All that's happening here is the execution and talking about that execution. No mafia elimination powers(Nightkill). No active power roles. No events, except that neighbor event at the beginning. Only neighbors. Not even nightkills.
And that all for a maximum of

eleven days

. Doesn't look fun to me. There should be at least something other than neighbor powers to spice things up. Even Mountainous has nightkills and the suspense of who will survive nights. Here? If you call setups with a nightkill and no power roles/only non-alignment determining neighbors mountainous/mountainous-like, then Nightless mafia with moutainous characteristics could be called monotonous.

I think there's currently a sizable portion of the site that looks for setups like Nightless Vanilla and a sizable portion of the site that avoids setups like Nightless Vanilla.

[Isis]

I removed the post restriction from mine because I realized if anyone has real time interactions they PoE themselves to the scum's rolefishing

Wish there was a way to make it work even quasi workably but I think I have to give up

It wasn't integral

[Isis]

I feel bad that these tend to be long enough I'm not gonna want to read them until voting, but then I'll be like "this is ranked at the bottom because of small easily fixable breaking strat"

[Isis]

Bazaar looks very busted

[Isis]

busted for town.

Voting is not till the end of the month, but it happens in thread.

[Isis]

busted for town.

Voting is not till the end of the month, but it happens in thread.

looks scumsided imo

scum can gurantee getting both vigs and the PGO ability.

hm
maybe it's balanced
I forgot about the whole thing where scum vigs are super strong

There are lots of effects that could disrupt the kill and a lot of investigation

it's pretty antifun that mailman has to just choose no action because the setup has a PGO so it is bad play to send mail to your friends

[Isis]

Primed for Ignition

10 Vanilla Townies
3 Mafia Arsonists

During Night 0 the Mafia Aronists can prime targets for each night, up to night 10. A Vanilla Townie is not told this, but they will be killed on the night the Arsonists set them to go off. If they are eliminated before they are primed, then the night they are set to be killed will have no kill.
A vanilla townie turns into a Primed Townie the day before they will be nightkilled. The player is notified.

A thought popped into my head. I'm sure this is broken 10 ways to Sunday, but I had a stroke of inspiration and wanted to get it out there. I only put a little bit of thought into this, I will refine if people like it. I wanted to use a non-standard mechanic and that's why I chose arsonists. It's 10:3 Mountainous but with the townies knowing they are Primed they become a day dependent IC. Maybe I need to add a 4th arsonist to combat that? I dunno.

I don't think you need a fourth arsonist to combat that, and in fact I'd be pretty worried it's scumsided as written.

[Isis]

I'm pretty generous regarding what counts as a "power role"; it can be something negative utility like miller or beloved princess.

Primed Townie day 5 is a power role that makes you die after day 5. It probably isn't getting added to the Normal Queue anytime soon though.

That's the letter if the requirements, for the spirit, I think it's still okay, it creates conftown, but if you wanted to subsidize stuff that is right in the center of what the challenge is asking you probably wouldn't pick it.

[Isis]

Isis>Icher>PookyTheMagicalBear>Kanna>T-Bone>TemporalLich>Hectic>ceejayvinoya>Not Known 15>JakeTheWolfie

Mine is ego etc.
Ircher's setup uses something I think maybe players would enjoy and looks roughly balanced Would like one of the opening posts to give a hint about how strategic voting might function since it's such a wall of text, but matchmaking problems and voting are necessarily complex I doubt it's unnecessarily complex
Pooky's is a small scum dense nightless setup and I want to believe in those, I so badly want a balanced Purgatory. I think the town flagbearer will generally function like an IC but it's like, slightly different from gray flag?
Kanna's setup feels like the best version of the "default" answer to the prompt
T-Bone's setup has a major balanced problem, but there's no question that it's balanceable and the core mechanic is a bit nifty, compared with stuff below seeming like various shades of unworkable to me.
TL's setup just seems like a closed normal with extra steps, maybe slightly slightly more pizazz than that, but mostly just a closed normal with extra steps, since RNG is the correct draft strategy.
Hectic's setup would probably play one of those other bizarre mechheavy games and would probably be okish? I think this is where the setups I wouldn't actually want to join starts.
ceejayvinoya's "when you get too many points you're actually VT again" conceit doesn't appeal to me and seems like it would be actively frustrating. Which would be a step down from "lol that was silly". I'm not sure if that's bad design rather than my preference though.
Not Known 15's setup artificially increases the number of days on evens, which is the opposite of how I design setups, I really prefer to see things go fast. That's most of what I dislike about it.
JakeTheWolfie's setup has like, a lot of cops, and it's not clear a good revision exists since there will likely be another best role remaining after that.

[Isis]

We had good lot of entries here, but only three ballots.

Spoiler:

3 Ballot vote is sketchy, Pooky ranked the setups of both other users to submit ballots above his own, so his preference between the two decided the vote.
For who "should" win I could abstain which would cause Ircher's really good setup to win or a "nobody who submitted a ballot amongst the very few people who did ballots can win" rule would uniquely grant Kanna the win, if I interpret her having uniquely the most pairwise wins correctly (Isis 10, Ircher 9, Pooky 7, Kanna also 7, everyone else 7 or fewer).
Hot potatoing the win probably isn't worth the effort and communication trials and such, though. I'll think of a challenge constraint in the next day or so.

I think the sweet spot would be, if we could please get 5 ballots next time.

[Isis]

4 ballots would usually tie so we need 5

[Isis]

both the loss of the Favour and the gaining of the favor are effects of the night action, so if it fails in any of the three ways it can fail (roleblock, tried to pass to the NK target, tried to pass to the roleblock target), the player who has the favour retains it.

It's gone forever if the holder is both roleblocked and shot, though

[Isis]

https://robla.net/1996/politics/condorcet-front.html

[Isis]

here's the text if you want to look at the results again or check for error:

Spoiler:

All Candidates As Entered:
1, Ircher
2, Not Known
3, Kanna
4, Isis
5, ceejayvinoya
6, PookyTheMagicalBear
7, Jake the Wolfie
8, Hectic
9, TBone
10, TemporalLich
All Votes as Entered:
1:1>10>3>5>4>7=8>2>6>9
1:4>1>6>3>9>10>8>5>2>7
1:8>4>1>6>5>3>10>9>2>7
1:7>5>3>9>10>6>1>2>8>4
1:5=4>7>1>6>9>8>10>2

It says I win again, although I've dropped from an outright Concordet win to a "Concordet tiebreaker", which came with an explanation I don't quite understand!