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i really do not want to get nightkilled
if i get E1 and intent'd i think that's bad, maybe i can think of some boring fakeclaim though (gahh i don't know the strat for this??), if not scum just kill me i think since im way too powerful
i don't really know what happens if scum hits me and i hit a scum (either the killing one or a non-killing one) on N3, so that may affect how i claim on d3
i have no idea if i should shoot n1 or not, i guess it will just depend on if i have any scumreads or not, but it's weird like how confident do I actually need to be to want to shoot? if i have 0 reads should i still shoot knowing that i have a random chance to hit scum? should i not tip off the scumteam that there's a vig this early, or is it already obvious because everyone knows there's a doctor?
that said, if i vig and it doesn't go through, is that like grounds for my vig claim, assuming town doc doesn't doc a slot that I think is scummy, because like, that's a bad doc target
i want to survive to night 3 im pretty sure so i can kill then when the choices are more limited
it is a lot of pressure to have this much power. with great power comes great responsibility- innocentvillager
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Pregame thoughts. Will probably meta along the way
Let's start with
1. osuka
-Fairly minimalist enigmatic playstyle. I did a pretty brief metadive on this slot.
-Playstyle almost seems to have gotta more and more minimalist with experience.
-Overall pretty competent player and he knows it.
-Believes scum!suka and town!suka post nearly identically, whether or not that is the case. but it's important to know that he believes it and deliberately structures his posting/meta around not being too polarized
-It's possible scum!suka tries to emulate previous townplay. It's a bit awkward because there's a very large plist overlap with an ongoing game with slots (1,2,3,10,12,13) (don't modkill me plz)
-town!suka can be pretty stubborn. stubborn unsubstantiated pushes against slots could be a towntell, but again, some awkwardness was present here historically so im not sure how reliable of a tell this is
-im not sure how he's going to *deal with my slot* this game, this is very interesting and remains to be seen, also some awkwardness around ongoing games will be present for a bit
-potentially believes mental breakdowns are scummy.
-overall i don't expect this slot to be very easy to read- innocentvillager
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2. Ydrasse
-new player on the rise, potential future scumrange not well defined
-Completed (scum) game experience: Mini 2156 Launch Mob by Umlaut.
-scum!Ydrasse was very underwhelming. Posting had almost no presence and floated in the background, having meek narrativy opinions
-response to pressure seemed very apathetic, not sure if genuine scum!apathy or feigned town!apathy (excuse: "boring is just how i play", which wasn't really true because I don't *think* town!Ydrasse is boring, or at least has a bigger presence)
-again a little awkward around ongoing games
-not many games on this site, again my point about the future scumrange not being well defined is important. With newer players I need to account for the potential expansion in scumrange. Which I believe will be done INCREMENTALLY and not like "crazy different" from the previous scumgame, UNLESS IT LOOKS FORCED WHICH WOULD BE SCUMMY (as an attempt to pocket people who know her play), I have seen newb!scum attempt to force change their scummeta and it looked really awkward.- innocentvillager
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3. shellyc
-has rolled scum a hilariously disproportionate number of times that it's almost a meme at this point (scum!shellyagain), will probably make a "pure townie energy joke" at some point early in the game
-posts well, fluidly as scum, doesn't necessarily have a rigid scum!trajectory either (can back off previous day solve and turn around with something different, like in Newbie 2023 when she started thinking worsty was town suddenly). fluid posting will not really be an alignment tell
-probably confident as either alignment but I'd expect scum!shelly to be slightly more confident
-don't think they really try to manipulate their meta too much especially with the success they are seeing as scum
-a little awkwardness too with ongoing games
-I don't actually have as much meta on this slot as I probably should because I didn't *really* play with them in Newbie 2023, I died before they replaced in, idk if it's worth rereading it- innocentvillager
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4. Pooky
-people like Pooky, not much experience but i do too, he just seems chillax and fun
-thinks my avi is cute and my posting is cute (i mean who wouldn't tbh. i am very cute)
-but yeah, minimalist, small one-liner posts, fun posts, town!Pooky sometimes goes after things they believe are a little weird but no like hard pushing i think, idk if that's even going to be town!indicative though- innocentvillager
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5. MiniMegabtye
-I see this name a lot but the join date is recent. looks like they mostly have played a few newbies with 1 scum game, like okay whatever
-1 scum game looked really underwhelming on a very brief ISO skim. just like no content and it seems they struggled a lot to come up with content. Catchups were bland and narrativy. Lot of apologizing for being behind. if any scumrange expansion happens it's going to be incremental again imo, anything vastly different from this provided it's doesn't look FORCED will be very towny
-1st town game Newbie 2019 I skimmed before. More inquisitive than the scumgame. Asked questions. Was confused and openly admitted it, never did in the scumgame. Some narrativy posts but not nearly as much. Defeated "okay if you think it's me whatever, i think it's shelly" last post.
-i think this slot MIGHT be on the easier side to read but I'm not sure. any slot i can read as town or scum will help a lot with my vigging so i should focus on the easier slots- innocentvillager
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9. Battle Mage
-this is a fun slot, 3 completed games (town Open 787 Lovers, cultleader part Open 786 Cult, Mini Normal 2156)
-town!BM one time just completely deathtunelled Norway and was lol emoji ing the whole way, it waskind ofclear that he was town just having fun with a push and not caring about being the main driver, he just thought the gamestate was hilarious and wanted to be a part of it. weird micro game dynamic though, idk how much town!BM will do this
-scum!BM can post fluidly and convincingly, i lazily wrote him off as a quick D1 town in 2156. he gets into wall wars with people and back off, I've seen this with midway in Mini Normal 2156 and with Korina in Open 786. If he thinks something is scummy he will push it even as scum. There was a bit of weird scum fencesitting in Open 786 where he successively pushed town!Korina, said they couldn't be CL, then immediately admitted they might be CL, very bizarre. I could watch out for one of these weird fencesits if he gets into some wall war but i wouldn't consider the absence of one to be a towntell
-the mentality of him just pushing things "town him would" is annoying to read but i think the AI tell will be in HOW he handles the push in the middle and the end, and not so much as the beginning of the push- innocentvillager
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hi worsty, in my head currently i have a disturbing large picture of your avi superimposed with a duck peering down into small glass dome with my avi in it and the 3 mafia slots
i guess this won't be the first time you're laughing at me fail!solve this game from above and peer into my inner psyche :O- innocentvillager
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10. bob3141
-low sample size but feels a bit polarized, so i might try to read this slot early
-somewhat strange style of reads that I want to see a lot of from town!bob. might find associatives and tells in weird things
-can townspew when wagoned
-i want to see the thought PROGRESSIONS. the wagonomics analyses. the "think this because x" but reevaluates and "no actually this makes more sense with more information". town!bob thinks they are a sick scumhunter so I want to see the somewhat self absorbed, not-self-aware EGO from bob, solving the game.
-super low activity is probably going to be a towntell, unless there are some pretty meh walls in there.
-dislikes scum. Will put some effort in as scum so as to not be like a let down but I don't really believe their scum!posting will have the same energy and quirkiness/self absorbedness as their town!posting.
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12. innocentvillager
-experienced but pretty poor player. how is he so bad with his join date of 2012, I don't get it.
-(Generally just very unconfident and needs a lot to form even small scumleans and strong townreads)
-literally doesn't have scumreads outside of PoE. if he has a scumread it's like probably more likely to be scum than random
-probably scum this game
-confident townreads are like... probably more correct than random, un-confident townreads are probably like... random
-has a monologue-y style. as scum he tend to be more monologuey and make strangely confident pushes. he doesn't really like... push as town. it's just not consistent at all. as town he tend to be more inquisitive and waffly. at some point as town he will probably townread everyone in the game.
-tends to have a more energized presence and solving mindset as town. he hates being scum and severely struggles to come up with content. Not many players really know this and mis-elim him anyway (except maybe worsty)
-cares a lot about meta so he might do something really dumb any game simply for the sake of mixing up meta
-can be mis-elimed as town D1 but historically never (i think?) as scum D1, but as scum almost always on a later day
-others perception of him: has the tone and reads of a clueless newbie
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13. Tayl0r Swift
-town/PR posting comes off concise/succinct (not necessarily minimalist), abrasive, annoyance is a common thing
-their last (only) impression of my townposting is probably erratic, emotional, readless, don't have unique thoughts and "agreeable"
-some awkwardness around ongoing game
-also a newer player surprisingly, but has the confidence of an experienced player, im not sure what their scumrange boundaries look like at all or how much expansion potential there is- innocentvillager
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okay beginning strats
Posting style:
-Goal this game is to not monologue my every thought in game thread unlike like any other game. that's why I'm using a notes PTso I can annoy mizzymod and worsty with my every single thought which they are definitely going to read
-ask questions when I'm curious about something genuinely and not abusing it. maybeeee use more correct grammar/punctuation to differentiate my posting style a bit. a little bit of narrative-ness is fine. no big dick energy like im some sick PR.
-should I let people know I have a notes PT and am monologuing in there? if it comes up, i think so, i don't see why not, might reduce the PR telling I give off because that's a reasonable explanation for why I'm being minimalist. I probably shouldn't bring it up unprompted though since that might be too intentional PR-like.
-I wish the scumteam knew that I historically have a tendency to be unnaturally engaged as TPR because I feel more responsibility and want to appear VT-like. (Newbie 1730, Newbie 2017 come to mind). Because i won't be engaged this game.
-My gunsmith role in Mini 2156. If I play pretty differently from there and less monologuy I don't think scum!Ydrasse, scum!BM will think I'm TPR and will avoid nightkilling me. idk about others. but maybe mini 2156 will come up in conversation and i can make it clear I was gunsmith in that game, so whoever scum is will look there as a reference. I think it'll be a bonus to post in that way
Crumbing:
-ehhhh i don't want to soft when I'm this powerful. i could just crumb like something super cryptic but I might just not.
-I might soft my kill target later, especially if doesn't go through N1? I haven't thought about it really but it seems of limited use anyway when it's obvious there is a vig and no one will cc me (probably)
Shooting n1:
-I think I should REALLY try to. I know I am town and I think my confident townreads are actually slightly better than a coinflip and any scumlean is probably also (provided I have any)
-I think the answer to my earlier question is even if I shoot randomly town N1, hopefully I can live to N3 and shoot again and make the odd parity thing again. Not using the OP town power seems wrong.
-I should also be watching for town dynamics, shooting people who are likely to be elim'd tomorrow if not shot, etc., in addition to considering my own reads. But whatever, I feel like this will become apparent or not over time and shouldn't worry about it rn
-I skimmed NAR and Vig pages on the wiki so I have a decent idea of what's going on there now (i think?)
Scumhunting:
-I'll just kind of let bob be bob and hopefully sort him by the end of D1 so I can decide whether to vig him or not.
-Same with MiniMegabyte. These 2 slots I need to try to sort by EOD1 to narrow down my N1 shot pool
-Hopefully Ydrasse, BM I can have some read on too.
-Same with shelly and osuka but to a lesser extent
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pg1 thoughts (obviously it's pg1 so it doesn't matter)
osuka entrance of excitement for the game thread opening was towny and the shelly vote is consistent with what town!him would do. there is a scum PT that he can socialize in instead. also the "MS is slow" is vaguely towntelly. there is noise here obviously because he was clearly exciting in normal thread before receiving PM.
bob's "so close" also sort of townie, he genuinely was trying to be the first poster, and the so close mindset is not like he's trying to towntell.
10 Ydr, mini probably not partners with that greeting, doubt it's intentional fake scum
arachnid is like pure newbie to mafia but has "played social deduction" games. Their vote on me is interesting given that justified it with "like your username". almost a little self-conscious-y gut pingy to me.
BM just claimed 24 wtf? let's see how this develops. Probably town!indicative because why does scum take that much attention??
first thought I like bob's reaction to the claim, osuka's is more NAI- innocentvillager
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im going to try to sort:
-arachnid (think this very slightly leans scum on tone alone but I'm going to wait on this read before saying anything). no completed games unfortunately but I can follow along with the other concurrent Newbie they're in
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kinda like this and i did get a similar feel from the post, this just put it into words. Does this make me townlean BM even more? maybe a tiny bit, i like seeing things I agree with but on the other hand it isn't an observation scum!BM is unlikely to makeIn post 38, Battle Mage wrote:i didn't vibe with the way he prefaced his vote for Pooky. "imma start with this". Took time to make it clear it was not going to be a vote that stayed, perhaps to avoid confrontation. Counter-intuitive for town, where it's marginally better for semi-random votes to have a touch of intent. Not a huge deal, but worth a vote for me.
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also dong scumclaimed around hereIn post 47, Donempire wrote:
Its mindgames! A real vanilla townie would never claim vanilla townie, but battle mage would know that, so he is claiming vanilla townie as vanilla townie to attract scum attention. Of course battle mage also knew i would post this analysis and leak his plan to scum, so he actually isnt vanilla townie. I have to say, a stroke of genius on that simple play.In post 33, Ydrasse wrote:has ice cream mafia been done before? probably. it’d be cute to be vanilla bean town instead.
fr though, bm, what compelled you to share that...?
The fake analysis is interesting because it assume BM is town. I tend to think scum might be too self conscious to avoid TMI telling, especially a more experienced player. Makes me lean town on Dong.- innocentvillager
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Dong going hard with the "i just wanna play my first scumgame in a while" narrative, it's the LAM tell, does it swing town or scum for Dong, who knows, ive seen it done as both alignments, my read on this is still a bit colored by the previous post 47 where they assume BM is town.
dong is either bad, careless wifoming scum!TMIing or just town!trolling. I think this kind of subtle but obvious TMI telling comes more likely from town. it's almost never a deliberate thing from scum because of the subtleness and how it tends to be perceived by population.
So with this in mind I do think scum!Dong thinks a little bit more before posting 47 or at least starts writing and gets heebie-jeebies about giving off TMI tell. Experienced player too which makes me think not bad careless wifoming scum, just excited trolly town wifoming with confidence. I think they're town- innocentvillager
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what is there to parse...? like nothing has happened most of the stuff is NAIIn post 65, arachnidsGrip wrote:I need to sleep as well. This game is very hard to parse right now with how exhausted I am. I really want to see what 8attle Mage does next with this claim, I am somewhat confused as to why it was made.
does parse mean "nitpick every post and figure out the town!mindset and scum!mindset behind each one and individually decide which one is more likely" or "understand what has been said and follow along with the game"? If it's the former I can kind of buy it but if it's the latter I don't because nothing has happened
im kind of expecting arachnid to obvtown at some point here if they are town so I'm just treat this slot passively and see where they go. i think one tell will be tone. I think a lot of newer players tend to be muted/nicer as scum, especially if they can be rude and pissy as town/out of game (ive used this tell once before on a newbie in 2017 with a 1/1 success rate!)- innocentvillager
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and I think specifically why it's scummy is I think it's very common for newbscum to make excuses for lazy solving/inability to create content even if they are real excuses.In post 32, innocentvillager wrote:If it's the former I can kind of buy it but if it's the latter I don't because nothing has happened
OTOH if it is trying to parse for information it might lean newb!town because they are demonstrating a towny mindset, newbtown which is overreading into a small amount of content when there is probably not much to read into (not dissimilar to what I'm doing on literally pg3! oh well). I wish I could've known the answer without having to ask the question because maybe scum!arach will choose to respond with the former since they're suspicious about why im asking this question- innocentvillager
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