Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[midwaybear]

lets solve this game

[midwaybear]

Seems like this game might have more neighborhoods than usual

[midwaybear]

Oh shoot!

[midwaybear]

Hmm who to OMGUS...
Cabd might be town(watch this age really badly).

[midwaybear]

You see, I was lightly townreading him because it seemed like he was putting early pressure on himself against you, but that might be false now that I think of it.

[midwaybear]

WAY more red

What?

[midwaybear]

Why are you claiming part of your role already? Seems like you are giving away a lot more than you should be?

[midwaybear]

Seems like you would have missed the mafia pt in that post if my brain is working correctly.

[midwaybear]

No third parties. Also somewhat suspicious of Cabd, but outside of those reasons.

[midwaybear]

It's purple, right?

What’s with the joke response to a serious question though?
pedit: check your PM. I think Fakegod confirmed no 3p no multiball

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Bell
Come here

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Cakez

[midwaybear]

UNVOTE:
actually, that's probably a bad vote. I'll go back to bell
VOTE: Bell

[midwaybear]

Yeah you might be town, but that's dependent on Nahdia and potentially Cabd. I would say your vote itself is maybe somewhat townie idk

[midwaybear]

Not for me

[midwaybear]

Cabd/ffery w/w and they are making really big quote chains to make thread hard to read.

[midwaybear]

spoiler= tags

[midwaybear]

Halfway there. Challenge accepted.

Cabd or petapan?

[midwaybear]

why are you like this

[midwaybear]

Pooky did a roleplay act in micro 935 as Tracer Bullet. He was scum. I'm not saying that it translates to this game, but sometimes I think people townread people who do what pooky is doing. Hopefully he just stops doing it asap

[midwaybear]

Yo, midway, you want to hash out whatever is in your paw?

Uh why did you claim part of your role and call SS partner. You don't seem like the type of town player to openwolf start of game.

[midwaybear]

Also, I want to call Alisae quoting stuff and then voting the quotee town, but it doesn't seem...right to me.

[midwaybear]

I have a "get out of this game before endgame if it becomes a toxic hellhole" coupon

This?

[midwaybear]

Oh well.

Maybe I'll come back when the game starts then

[midwaybear]

its not alignment indicative and im just enjoying myself so im not sure why you would want to call it town

Oh so your votes were not serious huh

[midwaybear]

No, I think i was being somewhat harsh sorry. There has already been some good AI stuff I think(I hope).

[midwaybear]

why would it be serious?

Oops maybe you were just mimicking the style of the votes that you were quoting. My bad then.

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Alisae
bad push tbh

[midwaybear]

I don't get the point and I don't see the problem yet. I really doubt scum!Jake is going to come out of the game posting votecounts instead of trying to form connections with other people.

[midwaybear]

Spoiler:

Hi!

[midwaybear]

Early trying to be helpful tell instead of engage best tell

How serious is this

[midwaybear]

I don’t know. It just seems like a play style thing. Meta might help but a wise man told me you see what you want to see from meta. I don’t think this vote count thing makes jake scum, but I don’t want to get conf biased into thinking he is town either.

[midwaybear]

this feels like a zero-dimensional view of scum play?

I mean... I don’t think doing a random vote count is really going to seem townie or get you townread.
Case in point.

[midwaybear]

Got anything better to go off of?

Nope, but I don’t find your initial point great either. I get that you have to start from a low information state though.

[midwaybear]

@Tammy fair point
The sample role PM has neighborhood included so that’s why I thought that.

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Bell
Why?

[midwaybear]

I disagree with yer first read; tryharding that early on pings me. Honestly not a damn clue what you're seeing in that one.

Come at me bro
Where am I pinging you

[midwaybear]

That doesn’t help at all. Can you like actually explain out stuff when people ask you instead of just giving vague answers. I’m sorry if you actually were giving a legit answer, but it really doesn’t seem like it.

[midwaybear]

Read eir post.

Seems fine with me

[midwaybear]

I kinda dig the RP it adds vibes

Not really. It just gives Pooky something to hide behind while he’s definitely capable of more. A successful town has everyone engaged and focused, so I think Pooky should just stop if he is town.

[midwaybear]

because the more you try the better you play.

Is this not true?

[midwaybear]

Why doesn’t it bother you that they expected town you to respond like this but you responded like this instead and therefore

Don’t know what you’re trying to say here? I don’t remember Alisae expecting me to do anything, and the second part I”m not getting.

[midwaybear]

no

lol

[midwaybear]

This needs to go. The amount of absolutely nothing you're adding is, as the kids say, whack.

So many LHF in this game darn. I'd say give him a day or two to do stuff before arriving at this vote though.

[midwaybear]

Yeah, you can play the game and actually give me your initial thoughts. All you've done so far is comment on how Something_Smart has completely ignored you. Part of me thinks that's because he's just inactive, but then a bit of me thinks he also doesn't want to interact with this roleplay(probably unlikely though lol). I don't really care if you continue to roleplay, but the time to establish the narrative is over and you need to start doing things.

[midwaybear]

"It's quite telling you are already looking for fruit and not interested in finding the villains here."

this doesn't even make sense because I implied that I needed to look past any potential LHF in that statement, so...

[midwaybear]

Fucking seriously. We could start a jam factory with how much there is.

Like I get this is sorta still RVS/shitposting stage, but come on

If you're scum just end me quick because I don't see myself reconsidering this read on you for a long time.

[midwaybear]

This lack of genuine conversation just makes it hard to find a solid tell on people.

Not everyone has been roleplaying and doing stuff like that
Any thoughts on the dynamic between Cabd, fferylt, Tammy, and Syryana or is it similarly unreadable to you like the roleplay? Also, let me know what you think about SirCakez

[midwaybear]

I’m trying to engage with DS not Bell or SS

[midwaybear]

why’re you a grumpy bear?

This is how I play the game?

[midwaybear]

Why is there a question mark?

I do that in my posts sometimes.

[midwaybear]

I interpreted it as trying to convey a tone of "why am I being asked this." I do that sometimes as well.

Wow, better than my own response. Actually pretty spot on. I hope we can work together this game like how we were supposed to in werewolf

[midwaybear]

Midwaybear is a goddamned mystery.

VOTE: Midwaybear

Womp.

lol get out
I don't think you think I am scum

[midwaybear]

drop names

Jake and Pooky, maybe Taylor. We'll see though.

[midwaybear]

This is such a weird fight to pick because there are a lot of players to this point who have not done anything

Like who? I don't think the number is as big as you seem to think?

[midwaybear]

Voting for my pocket scumread.

Nooo why do you scumread him?

[midwaybear]

May or may not be, but I dislike his asking for personal information.

Wait yeah. I'm a little unsure what Cakez was trying to do asking Pooky if he was a PR.

[midwaybear]

The griping about RVS looked a little overdone.

How was it different from my own? That's probably the main reason I'm townreading him right now btw

[midwaybear]

Any thoughts about the players expressing dislike of some of my posts here?

Not yet sorry. I remember Nahdia saying that your post wasn't a good look which is probably on the scummy side though.
I'm taking a look back at Diamond's posts right now.

[midwaybear]

the fact that they were similar and you two are all buddy buddy makes me think youre scum even more.

Why does that mean I'm scum? Are you scumreading Diamond too or not

[midwaybear]

Nah I can still see Diamond as town.

[midwaybear]

In a way, that is something you can respond to.

[midwaybear]

This whole exchange makes me question why scum me ever thought townreading D0 Assassin that early actually looked legit.

[midwaybear]

Ya I read up and the only thing I want to really know is why is Bell voting Midway

Don't let this distract you from Pooky's vote being arguably worse.

"It's quite telling you are already looking for fruit and not interested in finding the villains here."[/i]

VOTE: Midwaybear

He seems to be accusing me of looking for LHF instead of scum here. First of all, how is this even scummy as I'm not even pushing any of Pooky, Taylor, or Jake yet. Second, in that quote I was literally telling Diamond to lay off of Jake, so I have no idea how he really thinks I'm scumhunting within the LHF. It should be clear that I was trying to figure out how to read them.
I think the only possible accusation from the quote he posted was me TMIing that all three LHFs were town, but that didn't seem to be his point. Even if it was, this roleplay medium makes it quite unclear what his points and stances really are this game.

[midwaybear]

What's this about 60 pages?

Weird pop in tbh. Why did you choose this to comment on?

[midwaybear]

Why do I feel like there is now a wolf in ffery/Cakez. I really don't think this happens naturally but I could be wrong.

[midwaybear]

I find it somewhat weird that two players choose to have a completely unrelated conversation while ignoring the rest of the thread. I suppose the fact that they BOTH choose to be like this goes against my initial thoughts though. I guess I'll look at this as NAI, but it's just a bit off ya feel?

[midwaybear]

Halp send help

I wanna townread cakes for a conversation about yeast

I was definitely expecting Cakez to respond to this comment.

[midwaybear]

fine

[midwaybear]

It happens sometimes.

Ye ye. I think that is my final takeaway even if it didn't help with my reads.

[midwaybear]

nope, I don't think that doing weird stuff is more likely to be from scum in general.

yeah, I changed my mind about that.

[midwaybear]

i wanna know more about what was going through your head when you voted alisae here.

I feel like I laid my thought process out pretty clearly in the next few posts with Alisae. I mostly felt that asking Jake about his votecount seemed like ... busywork and that there wasn't really any point. I think I came to the conclusion that Alisae was just trying to poke around and Jake is a LHF.

[midwaybear]

I don't think Nahdia is scum btw

[midwaybear]

I thought 507 was pretty good even though Alisae voted them for it.

[midwaybear]

Ok that probably wasn't very helpful, but it's probably one of my stronger reads so far.

[midwaybear]

Omg Tammy is so town would be a good response!

Omg Tammy is so town!

This is actually a bit serious. Referencing the anon dance again, she reminds me of how she played as Lady 7 in that game.

This is also probably a town post too

[midwaybear]

Holy shit I just realized who your avatar is midway. Nice. I used to play that game a while back.

Niiice. What was your highest rank?

[midwaybear]

the leap in logic here enforces my view that midway's posting since the first minute of the game has been very busy for appearance's sake

Sure, my original goal was to highpost and also solve the game, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do both at the same time. We'll see.

[midwaybear]

what'd you like about it

weird to explain. I don't think it's scummy awkward but it's not a strong read naymore.

[midwaybear]

I don't think that question is really helpful. Town me just says why not and so does scum me

[midwaybear]

I made it to SA. I was an Idris jg main back before 5v5 dropped.

Dang that's actually really good. My highest was Credible Threat Silver in 5v5. I never really played 3v3 ranked even though I was around during its peak.
BTW, you know the game is sorta dying right now right

[midwaybear]

lol what do you want me to say
Just deciding to try something new while bringing back a old aspect. Not much to it

[midwaybear]

I wanted to see how he would react to an on the nose question about his play that could be awkward for scum him to answer.

You really thought that was a hard question for scum me to answer? It really wasn't.

[midwaybear]

hahaha
Subject: Mini 2156: Mod PT

First LYLO!
i had a dream where BM was scum
yikes

If Kerset gets launched based on this I'm going to roffle.

also, I gave up on trying to be the highest poster.

[midwaybear]

It's even more unfair than meta, because at least meta can be debated.

It's not like you are going to get Bell hanged solely on your "gut" not feeling right about him.

[midwaybear]

I was a pretty big spammer when I first joined the site. I guess it is just harder to breathe out a large amount of posts now.

[midwaybear]

Eh I realized that I'm historically bad at reading Nahdia, but I still wouldn't really support any wagon on them this game. I liked their little catchup/followup from 4-9. I'll check out why peta scumreads them though.

[midwaybear]

oh big suprise peta never went beyond "early" gutread. I also don't think Gamma Emerald is scum based on his comment towards townreading Tammy.

[midwaybear]

tbh I'm not really reading him one way or the other right now, but I saw Cabd, you, and Syrana all voting him so I thought there was something to him. I don't like it, but I'm not really disliking it either. Weird that Pooky never decided to clarify on the reasons he voted me.

[midwaybear]

She was scum lol

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Pooky
better than Bell for now

[midwaybear]

Yeah yeah let’s see you keep your vote on one person for the whole day.

[midwaybear]

Because they are forcing appearances

why can't they do this as town

[midwaybear]

but no real scumreads.

Really huh

[midwaybear]

oh i was trying to make a quip about you probably scumreading me in fgo
@Gamma well based on past play it's possible
also somewhat on the same wavelength with SS here. Nahdia doesn't seem like the type of person to intentionally do traditionally scummy stuff to get townread as scum.

[midwaybear]

oh hey post 1000!

[midwaybear]

I found 507 to be somewhat awkward, but a believable awkward that maybe fit in with their struggle to stay catched up and engaged.

[midwaybear]

I'm not sure if you really believed in Tammy being self conscious, but now I see my man Diamond also making similar accusations so idk

[midwaybear]

Well I just found the argument(calling out Tammy for being self conscious about her reads) hard to believe for myself. Like I didn't really get how one could see that as scum trying to go under the radar early, but I guess I might be able to see it(still don't believe in it though).
Ok, the joke about petapan I can somewhat see though. I have similar grips sometimes, and it was a big reason I was scumreading pooky for roleplay.
Also, I really like Gamma for town from 553. I feel like it would be easy for him to stop by just saying "OMG Tammy is so town"(like Cakez), but him going beyond that and outing a serious townread on her is pretty townie to me. So basically, I don't really agree with any of peta's scumreads this game rip.

[midwaybear]

Many scum feel uncomfortable outing naked reads the way Cakez did and make sure they always find some way to justify themselves.

I think a majority of the people are fine with that and that probably includes Gamma
idk though

[midwaybear]

You feeling cocky enough to go first, or?

Don't need to feel cocky to have me as townread #1

[midwaybear]

I hope that's a sort later tier because there's no way I should be below anyone at this point. Ye Alisae is fine, and I somewhat agree with Syr down. Didn't really like his attitude surrounding Bell and I doubt it is w/w.

[midwaybear]

hI gUYs

[midwaybear]

ok peta could be town, pooky still scummy, cakez townie now too

[midwaybear]

lel this reminds me of when Bell asked me why I wanted to be highposter.

[midwaybear]

town imo

happy to hear that

[midwaybear]

wait no
also... that sorta implies he is not in a hood? Anyways, I'm wondering a bit about these neighborhoods.

[midwaybear]

were you getting the impression that people were scumreading him?

Why else does she say this

[midwaybear]

I don't really think him stopping it of his own accord is a town thing to do. I also didn't understand his though process on his push on you. Also still seems to be jokey which I don't really like.

[midwaybear]

I sympathize with peta for that 1427 post completely.

[midwaybear]

Why the selective wording?

I cover my bases.

[midwaybear]

you don't need to get into a conversation with someone to make reads...

[midwaybear]

ok that's probably a little harsh but still

[midwaybear]

This is what that quote was supposed to be
"I'm scum and don't want to effort"

Pooky basically said the same thing

[midwaybear]

Taylor was Shielder2
Just saying.

[midwaybear]

lucky

[midwaybear]

I'm somewhat skeptical of this wagon on Taylor though. I'll reread her posts sometime soon though.

[midwaybear]

yeah sure? Idk
I'm not seeing any of her posts as townie, but I'm just somewhat cautious because well you know.

[midwaybear]

Honestly I'm not sure what is so off about Bell. I just voted him originally because I didn't like some of his positions and not because he was "off".

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Taylor
alright why not

[midwaybear]

Well I was very surprised when Avenger turned out to be Bell because that was not how I expected him to talk like based on other games. Just seems like a good excuse to call him scum similar to some putting burden on peta but more.

[midwaybear]

I wonder if it would be better if the traitor could actualy report to the mafia PT what was going on.

[midwaybear]

Did everyone just ignore 1606? That is very weird

[midwaybear]

Oh well.
pedit: not sure

[midwaybear]

Not really though

[midwaybear]

This wagon should still probably go through though.

[midwaybear]

That was probably intentional.

[midwaybear]

Voting at this point would be very unnatural for anyone to do. That's a weird unvote to me.

[midwaybear]

midway is scum too

nope

[midwaybear]

it's hard being lonely

same. Not sure if I should townread you for saying this though.

[midwaybear]

The replacement might come quick knowing that they are in a neighborhood and all that.

[midwaybear]

======[]

[midwaybear]

Cop on me

[midwaybear]

wait actually don't cop me

[midwaybear]

nahdia might be scum btw idk

This is a town post I think.

[midwaybear]

RIP Funny/sad that I was actually scumreading him before all the Taylor stuff went down. I was going to try to look at interactions, but then I remember that she was a traitor.

[midwaybear]

I am a traitor too, but town aligned

[midwaybear]

Traitors have access to the mafia PT? I am not a town traitor though. That was a joke.

[midwaybear]

Yeah, it's unfortunate that there isn't any mod meta with FakeGod and traitors. It would be helpful to know whether she had knowledge of her buddies.

[midwaybear]

Town traitors don't exist.

I was thinking a town traitor had no knowledge of the rest of his buddies, and the rest of the town didn't know that he was town aligned either. Yeah that is my role this game pretty much.

[midwaybear]

Uhh her motivation to play the game is somewhat questionable, but I agree that it is somewhat more likely that she knows her partners. This probably is a good look for Pooky and Jake(who I know is already conf town) because I remember a comment from her to me talking about me being the fun police. That seems like an indirect LHF defense of Pooky(at the time) and Jake, and I don't think she would take that position with knowledge that Pooky is a buddy. Hmm this seems like somewhat of a stretch now that I say it, but it's a thought I had.

[midwaybear]

I made town traitor a named VT

Yeah this is what I was trying to get at lol. Not saying I am a VT though...

[midwaybear]

No she scumslipped lol

[midwaybear]

Because of what Alisae said which was a threat.

???

[midwaybear]

What does that have to do with me?

[midwaybear]

Yeah, I think he could be town. This isn't very strong though.

[midwaybear]

That's a cool role. Seems somewhat trustworthy to me.

[midwaybear]

I think you'll get nightkilled soon though.

[midwaybear]

I don't see much behind SS yet, but I also did not see much to Taylor yesterday either. Your reasons seem to be somewhat the same.

[midwaybear]

Gamma should be town as well unless what you noticed yesterday with the catchup was really bad.

[midwaybear]

Wow so miller masons might really be a thing this game.

[midwaybear]

yeah, it seemed like a reasonable inference that Cabd had neighborized S_S. I wasn't expecting the truth to be full fledged masons, but that doesn't matter too much anyways now

[midwaybear]

This is honestly a bit fishy though and seems sided towards the town. Maybe it's just the way things played out though/

[midwaybear]

There's also very little incentive to claim at least to me, so yeah

[midwaybear]

But yeah, you're probably going to die tonight so this shouldn't be too big of a paranoia concern.

[midwaybear]

now I get to do my least favorite thing in mafia which is be conftown

Well at least you aren't alone

[midwaybear]

Um so why are people townreading Pooky. He's done nothing this game imo

[midwaybear]

I mean you probably could have at least lived beyond tonight if you withheld claiming. Paranoia should come in later than a few days, but I still believe you.

[midwaybear]

You said that after the dethy was announced. Honestly, I don't get you more than Bell this game.

[midwaybear]

i will say im a little uncomfortable with how many poes i end up in when all anyone is saying about me is null.

That's literally what PoE is. Is it not?

[midwaybear]

wow petapan must be town

[midwaybear]

I've heard this before and peta is probly the only person on the PL who scares me if he is scum >_>

lol it was a joke trying to get at how he made the same point as I did. Mindmeld huh

[midwaybear]

poe as in limpool. seems lazy is what i am saying

Sure, it seems reasonable to me though unless you think it is particularly opportunistic from anyone.

[midwaybear]

I honestly wouldn’t mind being hanged, but that’s sort of a loser attitude.

[midwaybear]

actually one last quick note: DS's reads this game lack nuance

What about Cakez? They seem similar except for Cakez actually being right on one of his reads.

[midwaybear]

Funny you say that given that you also said...

This bothers me. I feel like your whole approach this game is to put the burden of proof on the player to show that they're town and what town looks like is whatever you decide it is.
Which is an incredibly convenient stance to take.

You have become the very thing you swore to destroy

[midwaybear]

Ok, so then why is he in your pool.

[midwaybear]

I never go very in depth on my reads this is my playstyle

Well uh you called SS demotivated scum for not really posting/engaging a lot and look how that turned out.

[midwaybear]

I mean I guess there might be some shenanigans with all of these claims so maybe you're right, but still.
Cabd, how do you think this game was intended to be played/balanced?

[midwaybear]

To be honest, most of this "PoE" pool is just low posters, so this may be a specific game situation.

[midwaybear]

2500
YUH

[midwaybear]

That really doesn't help justify your read, but ok.

[midwaybear]

Lol is Cakez trying to dumbtell
Hmm

[midwaybear]

I didn't really think that matters (Bell leaving me off).

[midwaybear]

...for a good reason, I assume?

Eh I don't really see how it's alignment indicative for Bell(yet) and I don't really care how he reads me.

[midwaybear]

how you doin?

salty

[midwaybear]

I do not townread Gamma anymore either. I believe that he could have easily faked the read on Tammy which I townread him for before.
I've also noticed that he thinks that I'm scum with Taylor, and I might read through that sometime later. However, I can't exactly respond to it because the interactions are one sided.

[midwaybear]

I don't think there would be another traitor.

[midwaybear]

btw, nice reversal there mwb

What reversal?

[midwaybear]

I don't have many reads right now (and maybe this will continue). I am still reading Nahdia as town, but my townread of Gamma has went away. Everyone else is null. I know this might be disappointing, but oh well.

[midwaybear]

Can you wrap words around these two reads?

I haven't seen much to make me reconsider the read on Nahdia, but Gamma's style of posting was pretty weird to me and somewhat disconnected. Could be nothing, but I'm not as comfortable anymore.

[midwaybear]

Tammy, I don't think that is Nahdia's concern.

[midwaybear]

Oh maybe you're right nvm

[midwaybear]

Diamond is doubling down on all of this which seems like a scum strategy. However, as many have noted, it also seems very likely that this is the way he plays as town.

[midwaybear]

I 100% absolutely believe that it's some stupid inside joke.

Why can't they just be lying? I do not think it is a joke at this point even if it may have been likely before.

[midwaybear]

Well, I don't get why Bell is being scumread so much, but I have no objections to hanging him today either.
I will say I'm thinking Cakez is a bit more town now hm.

[midwaybear]

...are you sure you aren’t scum lovers?
Today is not yesterday.

I don't like this. Anyone else?

[midwaybear]

How am I oblivious to the claims right now?

[midwaybear]

Oh hey, I'm not a wagon

[midwaybear]

Do you know what makes you scum this game? And town this game?

Maybe? Not really though.

[midwaybear]

midwaybear. noisy. weirdly complacent about things I feel should be pinging him despite his appearance of being extremely engaged in the game.

Well over half of my posts came within the first 3 days, so I don't think there is any illusion of engagement or "noisy". Yeah, I am complacent, but that isn't necessarily scummy tbh.

[midwaybear]

why not turbo wagon him?

Well some of your concerns could have been addressed by some of his most recent posts, so I would exercise some caution there.

[midwaybear]

I was thinking this and this: 3229 and 3248.
I'm fine with going Bell if you still think his scummy-ness extends beyond though.

[midwaybear]

can you talk to me again about why didn't care about bell's lack of a read on you, despite the fact that he interacted with you by far more than anyone else day 1?

It seemed like he forgot to put me in his readlist not that he didn't have a read. I typically don't engage with people about their reads on me unless it's a weirdly strong scumread. Bell seems to lightly scumread me, so I don't really care to engage there.

[midwaybear]

I don't really remember Bell engaging with me particularly more than anyone else D1. I thought he was over at the 2012-2013 people with all of them hard scumreading him.

[midwaybear]

No set-up makes over half of their town mod-confirmed, and I really don't understand how nobody sees that.

Well why can't we wait for nightkills to deal with all of this? I do think this might be an issue, but not an issue that needs to be resolved today.

[midwaybear]

Neutral
I could vote him or Bulge today.

[midwaybear]

I have no scumreads.

[midwaybear]

Are you bothered by that fact?

I think this is mostly normal for me, so not really. I think I'll have more as the game moves on, but no guarantees there

[midwaybear]

Well I probably could, but it seems like you guys are doing a nice job with that so...