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Howdy ppl. Off to bed. I would love a quick summary.

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So I take it there's 5 alive? Any claims I should be aware of?

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Sorry, the first post is flipless. :/ I need that updated before I can pour through the votes.

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Thats pretty much it. We were sorta discussing the next two elims. Im like pretty sure Lillith is town here (also there's confirmed one scum at least in duck and Una, and im pretty convinced duck is town and I dont think anything can move me off of that at the moment. He basically empied his heart into the thread today.) and your slot doesn't have the best associations with Una. So im probably gonna go Una->you. Sorry, you basically just repped into a slot thats PoE'd.

I feel PoE is dumb. It gets to situations like Manatee's mafia where town artificially set a PoE of scum in the VT claimers. Of course my partner and I won on PR claims. Mine most players had to wiki.

So I suggest you take PoE and shove it if you're town.

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If the first post is correct, we are in lylo. So I'll need to sort both worlds tmo. I want to have a guess at the team before any more votes come down.

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Can we stop with the dramatic yelling? I'll do my VCA tonight.

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What the fuck.

how did you nerds like that snipe

vote count

day 1, vc 2

Billy Pilgrim

(4, E-3) - LavarManos, lilith2013, innocentvillager, NorwegianboyEE

innocentvillager

(3, E-4) - Zombie Apocalypse, TheFourEyedDude, Nepenthes

Zombie Apocalypse

(2) - Saudade, Zombie Apocalypse

LavarManos

(2) - Billy Pilgrim, UnaBombaH

Nepenthes

(1) - the worst

TheFourEyedDude

(0) - Billy Pilgrim

NorwegianboyEE

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

UnaBombaH

(0)

the worst

(0)

Saudade

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Sirius9121

(0)

Not Voting

(4) - Sirius9121, Something_Smart

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).

please let me know if something is wrong with the votecount; additionally, note that in accordance with the rules, ONLY votes in vote tags are being counted.

Looking at this post, I would think that billy and Una are unaligned. It makes little to no sense to have two scum sitting together. There is an obvious error in the VC so it's theoretically possible, just unlikely.

IV is less likely to be scum from here but scum do RVS teammates.

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you drive a bug?? wow I absolutely love your car and your choice in cars is second to none please have my firstborn child

vote count

day 1, vc 9

NorwegianboyEE

(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude

Billy Pilgrim

(3) - Waterdispenser, NorwegianboyEE, Zombie Apocalypse

Waterdispenser

(2) - innocentvillager, Not_Mafia

UnaBombaH

(1) - Billy Pilgrim

Nepenthes

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

innocentvillager

(0)

Zombie Apocalypse

(0)

the worst

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not Voting

(3) - UnaBombaH, PookyTheMagicalBear, Something_Smart

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).

There was no 'nader and it just rained instead.

Not really sure what to make out of the Pilgrim wagon remaining static. It's not like both scum were going to neighbor bus d1 but town didn't bite either. It just lingered with no one pushing.

Lilith and the worst likely not teamed. Billy has increased equity with the worst though.

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vote count

day 2, vc 4

plusJOYED

(6, E-0) - Something_Smart, lilith2013, innocentvillager, TheFourEyedDude, Billy Pilgrim, Not_Mafia

the worst

(1) - plusJOYED

Froppy

(1) - the worst

Nepenthes

(0)

innocentvillager

(0)

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Billy Pilgrim

(0)

UnaBombaH

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not voting

(4) - Froppy, Nepenthes, UnaBombaH

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to execute.

This looks like a guilty so not much to see here. Voting here is NAI.

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Most of the rest of the wagons are not centered on living players. That gives me a lot of pause. Why have the wagons been getting more cohesive the futher we have gotten from a scum lynch?

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I totally did not just forget I was the IV slot.

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Ok, I see three worlds from the VCA alone

Una Lilith
Una Ducky
Billy Ducky

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If Una is scum, I don't get his tactic today unless it's to set his partner up in lylo and/or deny associatives. His first instinct is to claim I am waiting around to hammer rather than try and sort me.

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I'm lonely

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Nope. What post(s)?

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@Billy - It's NAI. I sub in a lot and forget what slot I am.

@The worst, I like most of it overall without having read the thread. The d2 thing is kinda meh. Same with the specific una is a rolestopper thing. If that wall is true, I don't mind voting Una.

@Una, Do you have any dispute with Worst's wall?

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VOTE: Una

I am ready to move forward.

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With the clearing of Billy, my solve is largely done based on the nk.

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I just don't think I am getting further with Una acting as obstructive as he is. So I am waiting on scum's move

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Anti-town to say as I have two theories based on who the nk is.

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Titus, do you believe una is scum?

Yes. Otherwise I would not have voted for him. His response to me about Ducky's wall is prime giving up scum.

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With the clearing of Billy, my solve is largely done based on the nk.

Which means what? If duck is alive with me its him? And it Lillith is alive with me its her?

Well that would be my inclination, yes but I was hoping to play that closer to the chest.

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@Billy, I didn't sort anyone by anyone's case. I went by the votes. The votes suggest you aren't scum so by PoE Duck is. I'm abnormal in how I scumhunt. I prefer hard cold facts to sqishy feels.

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I don't see why not? Una was just flailing around and knew he was dead. Arguing that makes you town falls on deaf ears. You want me to think Billy might be scum, go to the VCs.

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You act as if I am supposed to be scared. I already have my opinion. My opinions don't change without new data to support them. You haven't provided any.

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Jackson and I just got done pulling off epic scum theater where we should have done after each other but didn't. Theater is theater. Saying look at us. Una tried to get me lynched.

The votes show scum tried and got many others lynched. Having a white noise S v S works with that.

There's also new data in Lilith dying over you or Billy.
There's new data if you engage me how I am. Check my work. If I was seeking to persuade you, I would meet you on your terms. Since I think Billy is town, you're the one with the burden to change my mind.

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You think Billy is town for a static wagon on day one. Sure, fine. That's a valid reason to lean town on someone on a sheer VCA basis. From your perspective his wagon peak you quoted is all town:

Billy Pilgrim (4, E-3) - LavarManos, lilith2013, innocentvillager, NorwegianboyEE

What am I meant to be critiquing?

I'm not going to do your job for you but look at context. If you're town and Billy is scum, quote the VC and tell me what scum were doing at the time?

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Man, I dont think Titus read D5 at all, or at least the back and forth between you and Una and then your continued engagement with the thread.

And this is what I was terrified of Ducky. Now im sitting here as the conf!town and I need to figure out which of you is scum.

It's correct. I read virtually nothing prior to my sub in. It's my style.

I'll go into detail on the votes tmo.

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vote count

day 1, vc 7

Sirius9121

(6, E-1) - UnaBombaH, TheFourEyedDude, the worst, Zombie Apocalypse, Nepenthes, lilith2013

TheFourEyedDude

(2) - Billy Pilgrim, PookyTheMagicalBear

Billy Pilgrim

(1) - innocentvillager

Nepenthes

(1) - NorwegianboyEE

Something_Smart

(0)

NorwegianboyEE

(0)

innocentvillager

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

Zombie Apocalypse

(0)

UnaBombaH

(0)

the worst

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not Voting

(3) - Sirius9121, Something_Smart, Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).

Looking at this wagon. We see scum have nothing to fear here and were likely taking low hanging wagon fruit. The worst's vote comes right in the middle to hide.

hello and welcome to the good place

THIS IS THE BAD PLACE. CALLING IT NOW.

vote count

day 1, vc 8

Sirius9121

(3) - TheFourEyedDude, Zombie Apocalypse, innocentvillager

NorwegianboyEE

(3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes

Billy Pilgrim

(2) - Sirius9121, NorwegianboyEE

Nepenthes

(1) - Something_Smart

Not_Mafia

(1) - Not_Mafia

UnaBombaH

(1) - Billy Pilgrim

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

innocentvillager

(0)

Zombie Apocalypse

(0)

the worst

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not Voting

(2) - UnaBombaH, PookyTheMagicalBear

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).

This is would be a really heavily pushed wagon on a lurker slot if I was scum.

you drive a bug?? wow I absolutely love your car and your choice in cars is second to none please have my firstborn child

vote count

day 1, vc 9

NorwegianboyEE

(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude

Billy Pilgrim

(3) - Waterdispenser, NorwegianboyEE, Zombie Apocalypse

Waterdispenser

(2) - innocentvillager, Not_Mafia

UnaBombaH

(1) - Billy Pilgrim

Nepenthes

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

innocentvillager

(0)

Zombie Apocalypse

(0)

the worst

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not Voting

(3) - UnaBombaH, PookyTheMagicalBear, Something_Smart

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-06 18:22:00).

There was no 'nader and it just rained instead.

T v T wagons here. It makes little sense for the wagon on EE to be totally pure.

this game is gonna be juicy, i can feel it.

vote count

day 1, vc 9

NorwegianboyEE

(5, E-2) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude, Waterdispenser

Billy Pilgrim

(4, E-3) - Zombie Apocalypse, PookyTheMagicalBear, innocentvillager, Not_Mafia

innocentvillager

(1) - NorwegianboyEE

Waterdispenser

(0)

Zombie Apocalypse

(0)

UnaBombaH

(0)

Nepenthes

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

the worst

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not Voting

(3) - UnaBombaH, Something_Smart, Billy Pilgrim

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-07 18:22:00).

Now, scum doubling up on the BP wagon when EE is voting for me doesn't make sense.

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This day 1 truly is purgatory.

vote count

day 1, vc 10

NorwegianboyEE

(4, E-3) - lilith2013, the worst, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude, Waterdispenser

Billy Pilgrim

(3) - Zombie Apocalypse, PookyTheMagicalBear, Not_Mafia

Zombie Apocalypse

(1) - innocentvillager

UnaBombaH

(1) - NorwegianboyEE

innocentvillager

(0)

Waterdispenser

(0)

Nepenthes

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

the worst

(0)

PookyTheMagicalBear

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Not Voting

(3) - UnaBombaH, Something_Smart, Billy Pilgrim

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-07 18:22:00).

To suppose that I am scum here supposes that IV just decided to randomly bus when there are two town wagons. One of which is totally pure and threatening a partner.

Or the worst is scum sitting on a chainsaw.

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vote count

day 2, vc 1

Nepenthes

(4, E-2) - UnaBombaH, Not_Mafia, the worst, Billy Pilgrim

Zombie Apocalypse

(3) - Something_Smart, lilith2013, innocentvillager

innocentvillager

(0)

TheFourEyedDude

(0)

Billy Pilgrim

(0)

UnaBombaH

(0)

the worst

(0)

Something_Smart

(0)

Not_Mafia

(0)

lilith2013

(0)

Waterdispenser

(0)

Not voting

(4) - Waterdispenser, Zombie Apocalypse, Nepenthes, TheFourEyedDude

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to execute.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-09-20 00:15:00).

Look who is voting scum and look who is voting town here.

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The early game makes no sense without ducky being scum.

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I don't see a vote on Una.

Second, even if you were, it would be better to split the votes to ensure one wagon goes through rather than overload or bus.

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Also, there was no objection to your slot being the Elim on like D4. Why does scum!worst come out the gate with a bus on his partner and basically force a 1v1 when there was a chance to win in f5?

White flag is such a common gambit. It's so common there's a wiki article on it.

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Titus, if you're town, we're about to lose, because I'm damn near hammering. Honestly at this point, if ducky is scum here, well fucking played. But I made it clear, I was leaning toward voting you and the vca like didn't really persuade me. So if youre town here I need more.

It's frustrating you believe long walls of discrediting and twisting of my VCA over short, concise and truthful statements.

The truth shouldn't need flashy walls of melodrama. Just frank openness which is all I have to offer.

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Titus, if you're town, we're about to lose, because I'm damn near hammering. Honestly at this point, if ducky is scum here, well fucking played. But I made it clear, I was leaning toward voting you and the vca like didn't really persuade me. So if youre town here I need more.

It's frustrating you believe long walls of discrediting and twisting of my VCA over short, concise and truthful statements.

The truth shouldn't need flashy walls of melodrama. Just frank openness which is all I have to offer.

What is this in reference to?

Everything. The worst is blatantly scum by the VCA, so what does he do...makes a big wall discounting VCA.

The worst is scum with Una, who would likely die anyway. So he makes a big, flashy wall bussing as a white flag gambit.

He claims his reads were just wrong until Una. He just wasn't bussing until Una.

The truth doesn't need to be as long winded and melodramatic. It just is.

If you can't see that's what the worst is doing, then I don't know what to say.

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@Billy, Yes.

*crosses fingers*

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GG all.

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Una told me we were in a rough spot when I came in. From that point, it was all about the show and creating a good time.