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If we agree to no lynch then there isn't really anything to discuss d1, and while we could argue about whether essentially starting with a n0 is good or bad, it sure doesn't sound fun.
In post 16, DkKoba wrote:normally id take a free townread but i have to be honest and say i know there are no nk and i was considering the mechanic the NK and having scum forced to pick first is +town EV
redcardinal you know that someone said they serious voted you, and you had no response to that right?
also now I think I should reveal I knew that we can't NL I just wanted to get information on who was aware of this by proposing the strategy.
so what don't you like about it redcardinal? me correcting someone else's misconception of what I was saying is scummy? Why would i bother correcting this if my only goal is to obscure/be townread?
It seems like at that point after being called out for pretending to townslip, you acted like you weren't trying to townslip by revealing you knew there was no nightkill all along. Especially with the "normally I'd take a free townread" bit, emphasizing your thought process starts with whether you're being townread. Basically I don't think it was a misconception. If you intentionally townslip as both scum and town that's fine, but pretending not to have tried to townslip is scummy.
In post 50, DkKoba wrote:So you have nothing to say about the person who said they serious voted you? Like thats seriously strange. Can you at least explain why you haven't said anything about it?
I thought I said something about this? Bbmolla seems pretty scum to me. I haven't seen any justification from him for focusing on me like this and it feels opportunistic.
Along that train of thought I haven't seen any justification from Alonzo for voting me either and The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak, so there's not much to say about that. BB what makes koba town? PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance
In post 59, redcardinal wrote:Along that train of thought I haven't seen any justification from Alonzo for voting me either and The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak, so there's not much to say about that. BB what makes koba town? PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance
it's page 3 now and everyone you just mentioned you've shaded. crazy how time flies.
In post 59, redcardinal wrote:PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance
substantive enough for you to form a read against tho no?
Nope. I just said I scumread him for lack of substance.
In post 59, redcardinal wrote:The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak
???
and I've had a lot more to say since then, plus I'm not hard pushing for anyone in particular at the expense of making any commentary about the game beyond a tunnel and a claim that someone scummy is town.
In post 70, DkKoba wrote:can we just ignore RC they're obviously just LHF who are going to distract us. i mean we could policy them but i'd rather get scum or someone I don't townread lmao
distract you from what? Is there something I'm missing?
In post 75, DkKoba wrote:redcardinal can u just consider that perhaps you have done things that give scummy vibes to ppl bc i got the same vibes too although i chose to interpret it a different way. like dont be entitled to being townread just explain urself and put ur thoughts on the table. letting scum have a free town push that can be easily explained away hurts us in the long run
In post 70, DkKoba wrote:can we just ignore RC they're obviously just LHF who are going to distract us. i mean we could policy them but i'd rather get scum or someone I don't townread lmao
distract you from what? Is there something I'm missing?
yeah ur missing the part where i rolled town
that's not an answer. what am I distracting from, exactly?
me having a lot more to say makes me town. BB not having a lot more to say makes him scum. That's as clear as I can get bulge. At this point you're doing this on purpose
In post 90, redcardinal wrote:me having a lot more to say makes me town. BB not having a lot more to say makes him scum. That's as clear as I can get bulge. At this point you're doing this on purpose
This doesn't make sense but I can see bbmolla being scum motivated pushing you.
In post 90, redcardinal wrote:me having a lot more to say makes me town. BB not having a lot more to say makes him scum. That's as clear as I can get bulge. At this point you're doing this on purpose
This doesn't make sense but I can see bbmolla being scum motivated pushing you.
I changed my mind on Koba, it would have been pretty easy to keep the pressure focused on me if they were scum. Starting to lose faith in my reads in general.
Except Alonzo. That was a really weird switch off my wagon and I think it deserves attention. Hiraki feels like a random vote and I guess it's there to pressure him to contribute, but a vote isn't going to go anywhere without some kind of justification, which makes that pressure useless. Makes me think the point was to get off my wagon rather than to get on someone else's.
VOTE: Alonzo
In post 137, A Simple Plan wrote:I'm not ready to let off the gas with RC just yet. Could he just be LHF town? Absolutely. But I don't feel like giving up on him because of it is a good strat. I want something that makes me read him a town instead of having it screamed in my face until I believe.
redcardinal you know that someone said they serious voted you, and you had no response to that right?
also now I think I should reveal I knew that we can't NL I just wanted to get information on who was aware of this by proposing the strategy.
so what don't you like about it redcardinal? me correcting someone else's misconception of what I was saying is scummy? Why would i bother correcting this if my only goal is to obscure/be townread?
It seems like at that point after being called out for pretending to townslip, you acted like you weren't trying to townslip by revealing you knew there was no nightkill all along. Especially with the "normally I'd take a free townread" bit, emphasizing your thought process starts with whether you're being townread. Basically I don't think it was a misconception. If you intentionally townslip as both scum and town that's fine, but pretending not to have tried to townslip is scummy.
Town slip or not, wondering what read other people have on you is NAI. Like, I always have this sense of paranoia about it regardless.
If you really believe this, why would you be voting me for being defensive? I mean I was pretty defensive yesterday, but I don't think an honest vote would come for that reason from someone who believes that both sides always have this sense of paranoia. That said, at least you do have a justification for voting me. I want to townread you asp.
Whoa whoa whoa you yourself made a post about how I should consider that I've done things that people see as scummy. Pretty sure the big reason people think I'm scummy is how defensive I was when under pressure.
In post 161, DkKoba wrote:Alonzo what have you learned from your vote on RedCardinal that you decided to switch?
I still think RC is a good vote, all that flailing is gonna get looked up eventually, why not today?
VOTE: redcardinal
why did you switch in the first place? can you answer that?
Got scummy vibes for hakiris opening salvo, still have scummy' vibes from them truth be told.
Quiet slots in general attract my ire. Won't be the last time I swing for the lowest/lowest quality postcount.
I think one scum will be on RC and one will white knight them.
literally none of this post makes any sense. what about hakiri gives you scummy vibes, exactly? if yoh don't like quiet slots why haven't you said anything about nona/bb, why just hakiri? why do you think one scum will white knight me and one will be on me? this post is just statements with no backing. most importantly what makes you think I'm not scum?
I voted nona originally to try and see if bb would flinch, but when you claimed cold feet *that fast* on nona, especially because I don't even think you were voting nona because you think nona is scum, I think you were voting nona to get more info from nona through pressure and to see bb's reaction to it, that just seems like your motives are changing in a way I don't think townie's motives change.
In post 242, DkKoba wrote:i literally saved u from being miselimed and now u are pushing to elim me. just like think about what u are doing and how u are just playing reactive to recent events rather than taking the game in as a whole. changing ones mind on reread is not scummy
how do you know I'm town? Nobody other than the people already on my wagon really bought the case against me and I wasn't ever in any danger of being voted down. You know that and you're trying to buddy me.
In post 243, redcardinal wrote:I voted nona originally to try and see if bb would flinch, but when you claimed cold feet *that fast* on nona, especially because I don't even think you were voting nona because you think nona is scum, I think you were voting nona to get more info from nona through pressure and to see bb's reaction to it, that just seems like your motives are changing in a way I don't think townie's motives change.
i genuinely thought nona was scum. but im looking at bbmolla/alonzo scumteam rn if i had to give a solve.
you litearlly changed ur vote fast too dont give me that shit i can reread and change my mind
and also, re: your stupid ass assumption of why I voted:
STOP FUCKING ASSUMING WHAT I AM DOING AND LISTEN
I voted nona because i genuinely scumread them
maybe I wouldn't be assuming what you were doing if you didn't have a significant history this game of being manipulative. I seriously doubt you voted nona because you scumread them. Even if you were town you know that vote was for pressure. Otherwise what was it?
In post 242, DkKoba wrote:i literally saved u from being miselimed and now u are pushing to elim me. just like think about what u are doing and how u are just playing reactive to recent events rather than taking the game in as a whole. changing ones mind on reread is not scummy
how do you know I'm town? Nobody other than the people already on my wagon really bought the case against me and I wasn't ever in any danger of being voted down. You know that and you're trying to buddy me.
if i had pushed you you were going to get voted out. I had that power. and there was every way to frame your play as scum play. stop trying to pretend like scum me is not going to get an easy scum looking player out of here like that.
yeah but here's the thing- I'm not an easy scum looking player. You're not the only person who townreads me, defending me from the hordes of mis-directed townies. You're scum, and if you're scum then nona's probably also scum
If you really think I look so scummy why don't you put your vote where your mouth is? Why haven't you?
pedit: if you act manipulative expect to have people assuming your motives. I don't think you're scum because you're manipulative, I think you're scum because of the way you're using that.
If you think I look scummy for being defensive, you barely have any pressure on you and your vote will probably go through today, and you're still acting like this because of two votes on you.
In post 284, Nona wrote:I feel like I'm being poked with a stick
that's all tho
congratulations. you accomplished nothing.
I've been busy, I had matters I had to deal with this week
mafia is not my top priority in my life and if I keep seeing people say that makes me scum then lynch me so I can prove that it doesn't once and for all
I've given my reads, I've done what I can between the life I'm living.
Why the fuck is no one giving Nona reads? I'm not opposed to the Alonzo lynch, but Alonzo seems lynchbaity to me. Which is fine to get out of the way day 1, but like, Nona looks like scum, don't know why no one else is even commenting on that.
Instead everyone is so focused with me not pushing Nona
What the fuck is up with that folks
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if it helps, for the record I do not and have not scumread you for lack of posting, I scumread you for throwing lots of pressure around without justification behind your votes the majority of the time
In post 243, redcardinal wrote:I voted nona originally to try and see if bb would flinch, but when you claimed cold feet *that fast* on nona, especially because I don't even think you were voting nona because you think nona is scum, I think you were voting nona to get more info from nona through pressure and to see bb's reaction to it, that just seems like your motives are changing in a way I don't think townie's motives change.
is this how you'd expect mafia's motives to change? in what way do you think townies' motives change? best as you can describe it.
I think that if koba was town, they would have stayed on nona to continue pressuring bb and to get more out of nona. I believe that was what koba was going to say their intention for voting nona was, I believe this would have been town!koba's intention for voting nona, and so my read flipped real fast when they got off. Especially because of all the talk about bussing there from koba. If koba flips red we have a scum team with koba/nona.
Generally? Honestly I don't know how to answer that question fully. I guess town are going to push their own reads blindly and scum are going to vote/pressure in a way that looks less like hunting.
In post 337, The Bulge wrote:and, separate question, what do you think koba's motivation here actually is if they are scum? are you implying they are only pushing agendas rather than being genuine, or just that they were inconsistent?
I think koba was trying to imply that bb was bussing nona and set up that scenario not to actually pressure bb/nona for information but to throw shade, and so that if either koba or nona got taken out later, this would exist to throw people off the scent. If koba had actually been genuinely pressuring bb/nona about bussing, they wouldn't have gotten off the wagon before bb/nona even had a chance to respond.