Micro 969: Nomination Mafia 8p (Game over)

[redcardinal]

VOTE: The Bulge

Ominous.

If we agree to no lynch then there isn't really anything to discuss d1, and while we could argue about whether essentially starting with a n0 is good or bad, it sure doesn't sound fun.

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VOTE: Redcardinal

Serious vote that’s a scum opener 100%

Why does even/odd matter in nomination?

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The vote's a plurality so I doubt it would even be possible.

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We'd have to all agree to not vote for anyone and that just sounds like a really boring way to get no advantage.

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rules say a player would be picked at random. anyway

VOTE: redcardinal

Oh apparently I can't read.

What is this about?

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what are your thoughts on any posts so far?

I'm pretty confused about that townslipping post and you then saying you don't have any townreads. Other than that, nothing.

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Lack of wherewithal

Wherewithal?

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a townslip does not make a townslot

koba will fake for cred as either alignment.

What is the townslip? I don't see it.

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Ohh that's what this is about

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normally id take a free townread but i have to be honest and say i know there are no nk and i was considering the mechanic the NK and having scum forced to pick first is +town EV

I don't like this at all then

VOTE: DkKoba

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VOTE: Redcardinal

Serious vote that’s a scum opener 100%

redcardinal you know that someone said they serious voted you, and you had no response to that right?

also now I think I should reveal I knew that we can't NL I just wanted to get information on who was aware of this by proposing the strategy.


so what don't you like about it redcardinal? me correcting someone else's misconception of what I was saying is scummy? Why would i bother correcting this if my only goal is to obscure/be townread?

It seems like at that point after being called out for pretending to townslip, you acted like you weren't trying to townslip by revealing you knew there was no nightkill all along. Especially with the "normally I'd take a free townread" bit, emphasizing your thought process starts with whether you're being townread. Basically I don't think it was a misconception. If you intentionally townslip as both scum and town that's fine, but pretending not to have tried to townslip is scummy.

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What information did you get by proposing that strategy and how does it inform your reads?

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So you have nothing to say about the person who said they serious voted you? Like thats seriously strange. Can you at least explain why you haven't said anything about it?

I thought I said something about this? Bbmolla seems pretty scum to me. I haven't seen any justification from him for focusing on me like this and it feels opportunistic.

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Along that train of thought I haven't seen any justification from Alonzo for voting me either and The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak, so there's not much to say about that. BB what makes koba town? PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance

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Alonzo I'm still waiting for you to explain your vote too.

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Along that train of thought I haven't seen any justification from Alonzo for voting me either and The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak, so there's not much to say about that. BB what makes koba town? PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance

it's page 3 now and everyone you just mentioned you've shaded. crazy how time flies.

Sue me, they're shady.

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PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance

substantive enough for you to form a read against tho no?

you're confusing

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do you understand the question?

Nope. I just said I scumread him for lack of substance.

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it's not really a question tbf I'm saying you're using words you don't mean because they sound right. buzzz.

okay

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do you understand the question?

Nope. I just said I scumread him for lack of substance.

The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak

???

and I've had a lot more to say since then, plus I'm not hard pushing for anyone in particular at the expense of making any commentary about the game beyond a tunnel and a claim that someone scummy is town.

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can we just ignore RC they're obviously just LHF who are going to distract us. i mean we could policy them but i'd rather get scum or someone I don't townread lmao

distract you from what? Is there something I'm missing?

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redcardinal can u just consider that perhaps you have done things that give scummy vibes to ppl bc i got the same vibes too although i chose to interpret it a different way. like dont be entitled to being townread just explain urself and put ur thoughts on the table. letting scum have a free town push that can be easily explained away hurts us in the long run

you know I'm not scum don't you

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can we just ignore RC they're obviously just LHF who are going to distract us. i mean we could policy them but i'd rather get scum or someone I don't townread lmao

distract you from what? Is there something I'm missing?

yeah ur missing the part where i rolled town

that's not an answer. what am I distracting from, exactly?

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me having a lot more to say makes me town. BB not having a lot more to say makes him scum. That's as clear as I can get bulge. At this point you're doing this on purpose

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nice.

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me having a lot more to say makes me town. BB not having a lot more to say makes him scum. That's as clear as I can get bulge. At this point you're doing this on purpose

This doesn't make sense but I can see bbmolla being scum motivated pushing you.

you're not supposed to agree with me on that

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do you scumread bbmolla?

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because bbmolla's alignment this game is most likely not affecting the goings about of his day.

half the things you say are confusing and it's frustrating me

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me having a lot more to say makes me town. BB not having a lot more to say makes him scum. That's as clear as I can get bulge. At this point you're doing this on purpose

This doesn't make sense but I can see bbmolla being scum motivated pushing you.

you're not supposed to agree with me on that

why not ):

because you're scum

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being busy irl =/= a scumtell

that's a fair point

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UNVOTE: DkKoba

I changed my mind on Koba, it would have been pretty easy to keep the pressure focused on me if they were scum. Starting to lose faith in my reads in general.

Except Alonzo. That was a really weird switch off my wagon and I think it deserves attention. Hiraki feels like a random vote and I guess it's there to pressure him to contribute, but a vote isn't going to go anywhere without some kind of justification, which makes that pressure useless. Makes me think the point was to get off my wagon rather than to get on someone else's.

VOTE: Alonzo

I'm not ready to let off the gas with RC just yet. Could he just be LHF town? Absolutely. But I don't feel like giving up on him because of it is a good strat. I want something that makes me read him a town instead of having it screamed in my face until I believe.

I use she/her pronouns

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Alonzo you still haven't answered my question about what you meant by wherewithal

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Nona could you explain your vote on a simple plan?

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VOTE: Redcardinal

Serious vote that’s a scum opener 100%

redcardinal you know that someone said they serious voted you, and you had no response to that right?

also now I think I should reveal I knew that we can't NL I just wanted to get information on who was aware of this by proposing the strategy.


so what don't you like about it redcardinal? me correcting someone else's misconception of what I was saying is scummy? Why would i bother correcting this if my only goal is to obscure/be townread?

It seems like at that point after being called out for pretending to townslip, you acted like you weren't trying to townslip by revealing you knew there was no nightkill all along. Especially with the "normally I'd take a free townread" bit, emphasizing your thought process starts with whether you're being townread. Basically I don't think it was a misconception. If you intentionally townslip as both scum and town that's fine, but pretending not to have tried to townslip is scummy.

Town slip or not, wondering what read other people have on you is NAI. Like, I always have this sense of paranoia about it regardless.

If you really believe this, why would you be voting me for being defensive? I mean I was pretty defensive yesterday, but I don't think an honest vote would come for that reason from someone who believes that both sides always have this sense of paranoia. That said, at least you do have a justification for voting me. I want to townread you asp.

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Alonzo you still haven't answered my question about what you meant by wherewithal

As in ' redcardinal doesn't have the wherewithal to make it to day two'

so you voted for me because you thought other people were also going to vote for me? Instead of voting for me because you think I'm scum?

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Yes.

Meanwhile, what have you said again? You joined the biggest wagon and...?

I joined the biggest wagon, explain how that's anti town?

that's not the point being made here?

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now that's a deflection if I've ever seen one

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What flailing? Can you quote it?

Whoa whoa whoa you yourself made a post about how I should consider that I've done things that people see as scummy. Pretty sure the big reason people think I'm scummy is how defensive I was when under pressure.

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What flailing? Can you quote it?

This is really inconsistent don't make me question you again koba ;-;

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It's a little worrying that you could in theory reframe every inconsistency as a manipulation.

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Alonzo what have you learned from your vote on RedCardinal that you decided to switch?

I still think RC is a good vote, all that flailing is gonna get looked up eventually, why not today?

VOTE: redcardinal

why did you switch in the first place? can you answer that?

Got scummy vibes for hakiris opening salvo, still have scummy' vibes from them truth be told.

Quiet slots in general attract my ire. Won't be the last time I swing for the lowest/lowest quality postcount.

I think one scum will be on RC and one will white knight them.

literally none of this post makes any sense. what about hakiri gives you scummy vibes, exactly? if yoh don't like quiet slots why haven't you said anything about nona/bb, why just hakiri? why do you think one scum will white knight me and one will be on me? this post is just statements with no backing. most importantly what makes you think I'm not scum?

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Nona could you explain your vote on a simple plan?

I didn't like his push on you. i felt like you were being scumread by him just for being bad at town.

I got that vibe, yeah.

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205 looks like town paranoia, 206 is a solid vote. what's going on bulge

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I’m kind of good with where I am at the moment tbh

I mean i dont disagree with that slot beint scummy but what do u think abt alonzo

I like his lack of response to his wagon but I don't disagree with the wagon

you don't want an alonzo flip today?

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but like let me get this straight:

ASP is scummy for voting RC

but Alonzo also voted RC for much poorer reasons.

how is alonzo a townlean here and ASP a scumread if this is the logic you are using?

It's a bit complicated but i like Alonzo's push more than ASP's

mind explaining then?

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VOTE: Nona

Why though

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VOTE: Nona

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ugh actually idk.. im getting cold feet on reread of nona.

that was fast VOTE: DkKoba

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I voted nona originally to try and see if bb would flinch, but when you claimed cold feet *that fast* on nona, especially because I don't even think you were voting nona because you think nona is scum, I think you were voting nona to get more info from nona through pressure and to see bb's reaction to it, that just seems like your motives are changing in a way I don't think townie's motives change.

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i literally saved u from being miselimed and now u are pushing to elim me. just like think about what u are doing and how u are just playing reactive to recent events rather than taking the game in as a whole. changing ones mind on reread is not scummy

how do you know I'm town? Nobody other than the people already on my wagon really bought the case against me and I wasn't ever in any danger of being voted down. You know that and you're trying to buddy me.

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I voted nona originally to try and see if bb would flinch, but when you claimed cold feet *that fast* on nona, especially because I don't even think you were voting nona because you think nona is scum, I think you were voting nona to get more info from nona through pressure and to see bb's reaction to it, that just seems like your motives are changing in a way I don't think townie's motives change.

i genuinely thought nona was scum. but im looking at bbmolla/alonzo scumteam rn if i had to give a solve.

you litearlly changed ur vote fast too dont give me that shit i can reread and change my mind
and also, re: your stupid ass assumption of why I voted:
STOP FUCKING ASSUMING WHAT I AM DOING AND LISTEN
I voted nona because i genuinely scumread them

maybe I wouldn't be assuming what you were doing if you didn't have a significant history this game of being manipulative. I seriously doubt you voted nona because you scumread them. Even if you were town you know that vote was for pressure. Otherwise what was it?

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i literally saved u from being miselimed and now u are pushing to elim me. just like think about what u are doing and how u are just playing reactive to recent events rather than taking the game in as a whole. changing ones mind on reread is not scummy

how do you know I'm town? Nobody other than the people already on my wagon really bought the case against me and I wasn't ever in any danger of being voted down. You know that and you're trying to buddy me.

if i had pushed you you were going to get voted out. I had that power. and there was every way to frame your play as scum play. stop trying to pretend like scum me is not going to get an easy scum looking player out of here like that.

yeah but here's the thing- I'm not an easy scum looking player. You're not the only person who townreads me, defending me from the hordes of mis-directed townies. You're scum, and if you're scum then nona's probably also scum

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If you really think I look so scummy why don't you put your vote where your mouth is? Why haven't you?

pedit: if you act manipulative expect to have people assuming your motives. I don't think you're scum because you're manipulative, I think you're scum because of the way you're using that.

If you think I look scummy for being defensive, you barely have any pressure on you and your vote will probably go through today, and you're still acting like this because of two votes on you.

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Do you scumread koba asp?

PEDIT: I'm fine with being townread but koba seems

sure

that I'm town

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I feel like I'm being poked with a stick

that's all tho

congratulations. you accomplished nothing.

I've been busy, I had matters I had to deal with this week

mafia is not my top priority in my life and if I keep seeing people say that makes me scum then lynch me so I can prove that it doesn't once and for all

I've given my reads, I've done what I can between the life I'm living.

Why the fuck is no one giving Nona reads? I'm not opposed to the Alonzo lynch, but Alonzo seems lynchbaity to me. Which is fine to get out of the way day 1, but like, Nona looks like scum, don't know why no one else is even commenting on that.

Instead everyone is so focused with me not pushing Nona

What the fuck is up with that folks

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if it helps, for the record I do not and have not scumread you for lack of posting, I scumread you for throwing lots of pressure around without justification behind your votes the majority of the time

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I'm sorry you're dealing with life stuff though bb I just feel like that should be acknowledged.

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because bbmolla's alignment this game is most likely not affecting the goings about of his day.

half the things you say are confusing and it's frustrating me

being busy irl =/= a scumtell

that's a fair point

what the hell

The way you word things sometimes is kind of confusing to me, but that's probably just a me thing.

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I voted nona originally to try and see if bb would flinch, but when you claimed cold feet *that fast* on nona, especially because I don't even think you were voting nona because you think nona is scum, I think you were voting nona to get more info from nona through pressure and to see bb's reaction to it, that just seems like your motives are changing in a way I don't think townie's motives change.

is this how you'd expect mafia's motives to change? in what way do you think townies' motives change? best as you can describe it.

I think that if koba was town, they would have stayed on nona to continue pressuring bb and to get more out of nona. I believe that was what koba was going to say their intention for voting nona was, I believe this would have been town!koba's intention for voting nona, and so my read flipped real fast when they got off. Especially because of all the talk about bussing there from koba. If koba flips red we have a scum team with koba/nona.

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Generally? Honestly I don't know how to answer that question fully. I guess town are going to push their own reads blindly and scum are going to vote/pressure in a way that looks less like hunting.

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and, separate question, what do you think koba's motivation here actually is if they are scum? are you implying they are only pushing agendas rather than being genuine, or just that they were inconsistent?

I think koba was trying to imply that bb was bussing nona and set up that scenario not to actually pressure bb/nona for information but to throw shade, and so that if either koba or nona got taken out later, this would exist to throw people off the scent. If koba had actually been genuinely pressuring bb/nona about bussing, they wouldn't have gotten off the wagon before bb/nona even had a chance to respond.

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@redcardinal

In the moment it felt like a slip to not know the mechanics, and I felt it was a fair vote. You kept on the no lynch talk longer than I felt nessecary having declared my preference for a lynch today.

why do you think it should matter to anyone at this stage of the game what your single preference is for today?

Not being manipulative XD

Anyone who thinks that obviously hasn't been on the recieving end of your manipulation so far...

are you gonna do anything this game or

To address your points yes the early game was sloppy and I thought this game had shorter days than it did.

I made a bad call on redcardinal , but I dont regret rejoing the lead wagon in that moment.

And yeah, I will do something, I feel good about my DKK read but less optimistic of my chances of articulating it well enough to get more dubious heads to turn today.

What even was your call on me? Why was it bad?

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I'm still not sure I understand what you meant by that in the first place

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Bulge, what's the deal with the asp wagon?

V importantly alonzo what do you think of asp?

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That would be throwing if you were town.

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^ and you know that

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no? I did the same manipulation you would have done by jumping on nona, difference is you got off. I understand the value of laying traps for scum, you're just not genuinely doing it.

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you like your vote but you're also not pushing anything to happen with it. this can be behavior of a scum player knowing that both wagons are town and are putting a vanity vote on their partner to potentially distance later on to pretend they "pushed" someone who will flip scum later on(bussing is 100% viable in a setup like this)

you like your vote but you're also not pushing anything to happen with it. this can be behavior of a scum player knowing that both wagons are town and are putting a vanity vote on their partner to potentially distance later on to pretend they "pushed" someone who will flip scum later on(bussing is 100% viable in a setup like this)

Nona does nothing and my wagon is tied for second

ok lol its fine when nona flips red we can flip u next for bussing

Just for the record

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Now to be fair, I think you are either scum or you are correct. I'd be willing to flip you/bbmolla because that'll reveal the scumteam either way.

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Actually wait

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VOTE: Nona

Either way one of you is bussing nona and I'd rather vote most likely scum than try to do this team reveal thing

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*was

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UNVOTE: Nona
I don't actually scumread nona that much though

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which means I no longer have a sense of what's going on

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VOTE: Alonzo

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I just realized my entire justification for voting koba was based on a koba/nona scumteam and honestly I have no idea how I didn't realize this. Anyways I haven't seen any justification for asp so here's my vote.

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You said you were down to talk asp? Or did you mean down to talk to asp?

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well let's talk, why did you vote asp

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I was going to say Asp has done more of a job of explaining votes than a lot of people here but going over this iso is really throwing that into question.

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i literally saved u from being miselimed and now u are pushing to elim me. just like think about what u are doing and how u are just playing reactive to recent events rather than taking the game in as a whole. changing ones mind on reread is not scummy

how do you know I'm town? Nobody other than the people already on my wagon really bought the case against me and I wasn't ever in any danger of being voted down. You know that and you're trying to buddy me.

Interesting change of mindset. Acting obvtown early on and now "how are you so sure?" to fit your narrative... hmm...

I also don't like this. Like yes, I'm allowed to worry about people who are obviously buddying me even when I think I've done nothing particularly scummy? I even mention that in this post. It's like he's looking for some way to skewer me on my words.

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And he hasn't responded to pressure meaningfully

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how and why did your read of me change like this?

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My gut says bbmolla but I'd be good with the bulge too thinking back to the way they tried to push off alonzo until the very end despite a scumread on him + the extension VOTE: The Bulge

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extensions blah blah deadlines blah blah zzzzzzzz

you are all aware of the setup we're playing yes?

Yes? Alonzo was the plurality vote when you extended

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Honestly feel like I might be wasting my time at this point, but bb where does that hiraki vote come from? like, you're chill with whatever, but also vote hiraki, the longest player on the alonzo wagon?

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that and the asp vote throws me off. Like I ended up getting it later on but I felt like I had to force bulge to talk about it. Seems like misdirection.

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bulge/alonzo or molla/alonzo are the only two pairs that make sense to me but they sure do make a lot of sense, game is one of those

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absolutely not going hiraki today or at all, I guess hiraki would say there's no way they would bus if rhat's what they did but tbh I just see town hiraki as more likely and I'm extremely suspicous of bb for even considering it earlier.

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rude

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VOTE: BBmolla

For me it's not that there had to be scum in the first three, it's that bb is the only other choice that makes sense as an alonzo partner to me, because like you I don't think scum could have bussed that first day and I scumread coasting pretty hard. But besides all that I felt like some scum had to have been on asp that first day, it just wasn't a wagon that made very much sense to me, plus the shade that bb threw on ASP/nona right after voting alonzo? this is game right here hiraki

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alonzo

i was the first person to vote alonzo btw so get out of here with that . someoen said hiraki was earlier or smthing?/

and im gonna bring attention to alonzo on DAY 1. push him until he spews scum, back off a little out of paranoia bc it feels too easy, and then force his elim in the end? yea sure

I thought hiraki was earlier?

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hang on

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hmmm koba you did vote alonzo first but then you got off when the pressure got higher?

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that's kinda scary

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Koba can you explain why you got off the alonzo wagon and voted nona back then?

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as if nona is the best slot on the planet? I don't really see that from koba

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Koba can you explain why you got off the alonzo wagon and voted nona back then?

bc i wanted to get alonzo to spew more. if u just turbohang scum d1 u get nothing. if u give them hope they will spew

You said earlier you did it out of paranoia that it was too easy

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whoops

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BB why were you so chill with the idea of your vote yesterday but not today?

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I think asp is a good elim

maybe if bb was town

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I would be in the three person lineup if I were scum though that’s true

I’m chill with whatever I think we got this

I interpreted this as you saying that a vote for you would be understandable? why does that change today

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vote bb lol

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I'm pretty sure this is gamesolve so seriously just vote bb

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ugh okay I'm just going to make a case for you tomorrow and hope people just vote now

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VOTE: bbmolla

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bb throws shade and asks very few questions, the few times he has felt pointless and they weren't meaningful nor were they followed up on by bb. He didn't vote alonzo until the very end, preferring to shade him while advocating against his lynch in a very passive way "I'm not opposed to the Alonzo lynch, but Alonzo seems lynchbaity to me." and then claiming nona and asp are somehow scummier. Plus his vote on hiraki of all people yesterday with no discernable reason, you wanna talk about left field reads. This scumteam is super obvious and I'm kind of shocked it's just me and koba on it rn. It's the only one that makes any

sense

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stack on all of that the fact that bb's reads seem to be completely opposite to mine at all times

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like come on there is so much misdirection coming out of bb constantly

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give me one reason that bb puts himself in the nomination yesterday as scum - no, me making this argument is not a reason

Well for starters it explains why bulge was in the nom yesterday

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I never thought bulge was flipping scum so maybe that's where I don't understand ya'll

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Hi creature, I also have a slight townlean on your slot but a bigger townread on asp and will not be willing to go for that today, especially since bbmolla is still alive

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molla's stalling, intent to hammer

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koba would you vote molla tomorrow on my town flip?

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creature same question

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just because hiraki's not in today's pool?

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Koba and creature if yall can maintain a townblock then it shouldn't matter which of molla/hiraki you vote down first right? because even if molla makes it to lylo then you can both just vote him and win. that is unless one of you is scum, in which case we're fucked

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thing is hiraki is my strongest townread so I would feel safest seeing him go into the endgame

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molla's stalling, intent to hammer

there's not a world where I am scum and not in this trio today

do you have any substantial response to creature's earlier post about how exactly you are likely to be scum by nomming us?

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molla's stalling, intent to hammer

there's not a world where I am scum and not in this trio today

do you have any substantial response to creature's earlier post about how exactly you are likely to be scum by nomming us?

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Any way I shake it I can't get a bbmolla lynch unless we go koba, hiraki, molla, but koba and hiraki have been my most consistent TRs, and while creature is a townread for me they're not as much of a townread as hiraki/koba are for me

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yall just won't vote for scum will you

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How would you feel about going koba today and hiraki tomorrow creature?

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VOTE: DkKoba

I'm down for this, gets rid of wildcards.

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And fucking insulting that you, the wildcard, called me a wildcard

well I find it insulting that you, the wildcard, called me a wildcard, calling you, the wildcard, a wildcard

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also, constantly shaded you? literally what you've been a tr for me since the end of day 1 to now

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i have been feeling koba more than creature as of late, i dont think creature's last slot did him any wonders but it's hard to rub off that alonzo didn't just damn him

god this is such a scummy line

that's a towny line lol, he's doing real analysis and the only reason you think it's scummy is because the suspicion is on you

[redcardinal]

if you were willing to go creature - hiraki - molla I might actually consider going creature instead today but I don't trust you to do that even as town

[redcardinal]

why do you think I think you would keep me around forever? I literally just said I don't trust you not to vote me instead of molla at lylo

[redcardinal]

OR WE COULD JUST VOTE MOLLA TOMORROW

[redcardinal]

I would put my life on it but I need to make sure rhat vote happens

[redcardinal]

holy shit koba I'm not going to vote you over molla that's actually insane

[redcardinal]

hiraki I have searched your iso and found nothing convincing me that molla is town. if you really think he's town that much, why not make an argument?

[redcardinal]

also the real townblock made me spill my coffee laughing, nice one

[redcardinal]

Intent to hammer but I want to talk to hiraki first and see if we can't work something out before tomorrow

[redcardinal]

VOTE: Hiraki

I think hardbussing is an exaggeration but there wasn't a reason for alonzo to get off that wagon if he was bussing, there wasn't much pressure on hiraki at the time.

[redcardinal]

I think redcardinal is scummy but the wagon is worse.

u literally just worded what my vibe was lmfao. feels like a lhf wagon?

Yes. Needed to get to page 5 before I knew.

but pretending not to have tried to townslip is scummy.

Neither you nor DkKoba can prove this so you are now acting on a very very random hunch rather than anything tangible.

what's bad about it hiraki?

Opportunistic. What pressure are you obtaining right now? Do you intend to lynch redcardinal?

Along that train of thought I haven't seen any justification from Alonzo for voting me either and The Bulge voting me for not having anything to say about people's posts by page 2 is just weak, so there's not much to say about that. BB what makes koba town? PEDIT: taking the opportunity to do nothing but focus a townie and get by looking like he's applying pressure when there's no substance

it's page 3 now and everyone you just mentioned you've shaded. crazy how time flies.

Why does scumCardinal do this? Newbscum?

There are way too many people without definitive reads for me to make that list with any confidence.

thats E-2 ... once again(since molla switched vote)

Correct again - which is why the last statement makes no sense.

and we should pressure others to contribute, can always revisit cardinal in a day or two if needs be.

You're voting me to pressure me to contribute? It's IRL Day 2 of the game that started on a Sunday. ???

VOTE: Alonzo

Yes.

and this interaction is just- no these aren't partners

[redcardinal]

what did he mean?

[redcardinal]

i hit alonzo weird u wanna pretend like i cant be accurate

you take a lot of credit for that

[redcardinal]

VOTE: Creature

[redcardinal]

VOTE: hiraki

I still don't understand why we didn't get molla earlier and we're not getting molla today but whatever so long as it wins the game, sorry hiraki

[redcardinal]

both of you are wrong vote molla please

[redcardinal]

hiraki you're going to have to convince me molla is town if you want me to vote koba

[redcardinal]

why can't any of yall see that molla is the only partner that makes any sense here?

[redcardinal]

like both of yall are townreads, koba a little more so for reading the game like a sane person (mostly) can we please just end the game now so we don't have to go to lylo?

[redcardinal]

so no scratch that first post I'm not voting koba necause koba's the only other townie with any sense who's still alive

[redcardinal]

stop fighting each other and vote molla

[redcardinal]

VOTE: bbmolla

[redcardinal]

but I will go back to hiraki if that's what's necessary for tomorrow

[redcardinal]

Setup designers:

Hoopla and callforjudgement

Moderator:

callforjudgement

Backup moderator:

if something happens to me, ask Micc (who has access to this game's private topics) to appoint a backup

Player list:

• BBmolla
  
• The Bulge
  
• Hiraki
  
• redcardinal
  
• DkKoba
  
• A Simple Plan
  
• Creature
  Nona
  
  
• Alonzo

Spoiler: Flips

Alonzo, Mafia Odd-Night Nominator

was eliminated Day 1.

The Bulge, Vanilla Townie

was eliminated Day 2. The options were {The Bulge, Hiraki, BBmolla}.

A Simple Plan, Vanilla Townie

was eliminated Day 3.

Creature, Vanilla Townie

was eliminated Day 4. The options were {DkKoba, redcardinal, Creature}.

Spoiler: Status of living players

• BBmolla (prodded once)
  
• Hiraki
  
• redcardinal
  
• DkKoba

Day start posts: D1 D2 D3 D4 D5

the obvious answer is there's only four people left

[redcardinal]

oh what happened

[redcardinal]

The only person here calling hiraki scum is koba

[redcardinal]

man fuck I kind of think it's redcardinal now lmao

loll gtf out of here and self I'm the only person you can have voted today and live that's why

[redcardinal]

if you flip town I have no idea what to do so I'd just sheep koba and vote hiraki

[redcardinal]

though I guess hiraki would be on you rn if you were town and he was scum

[redcardinal]

though actually he wouldn't because he'd get voted tomorrow for it

[redcardinal]

okay this is just wifom at this point but yeah

[redcardinal]

literally how

[redcardinal]

okay I'm gonna reread this

[redcardinal]

VOTE: dkkoba

[redcardinal]

lol yeah

[redcardinal]

koba I love you and I'm sorry

[redcardinal]

lonzo get carried lol

[redcardinal]

jk i love you too

[redcardinal]

aww thank you <3 *bows*

[redcardinal]

I think nominations on odd numbers of players does work better, felt pretty balanced and quite fun, def would play nomination like this again

[redcardinal]

how so? I honestly felt like it was pretty normal bussing if a little intense. I did feel like I was trying too hard

[redcardinal]

ahh I see