Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:31 pm

In post 6129, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 1168, April Ludgate wrote:My
town[/b] successful bait block is Morph, SS, Bell, Plus.

Glad this worked. I was able to figure out pretty nicely that Plus was scum on Day 2.

Not just me, of course.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:34 pm

In post 5247, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 5238, PlusJOYED wrote:one of remi, maid, april, or 420 pretty much has to be scum
This is not true, by the way. There are plenty of possible teams without any.

Not ones that Plus will like, but I do think Plus is scum at this point.

WIFOM debate.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:45 pm

In post 4779, April Ludgate wrote:Well, I'm going to go off gut reads now.

ST and Remelia i'm seeing as much townier lately. 420 could be scum, I guess, same with Maid.

Morph's scumming it up, though, but might be because I think their playstyle is sooooo absurdly slow paced.

Morph, Zmuffin, Plusjoyed is my tinfoil solve.

In post 4782, morph the cat wrote:
In post 4779, April Ludgate wrote:Well, I'm going to go off gut reads now.

ST and Remelia i'm seeing as much townier lately. 420 could be scum, I guess, same with Maid.

Morph's scumming it up, though, but might be because I think their playstyle is sooooo absurdly slow paced.

Morph, Zmuffin, Plusjoyed is my tinfoil solve.
This is why my default setting with you is no cooperation. You have no fucking idea how to read us. So why should I think you are competent to read anyone else in this game, given you spin like a top from solve to solve solve.

In post 4789, zMuffinMan wrote:i am half expecting april reaches lylo, "solves" the game, votes town, but the only thing april remembers about this game is that at one point he called the scum team and that makes him good at solving

i fully expect to find a similar pattern in past games from april if i could be bothered looking into them

In post 4790, morph the cat wrote:
In post 4784, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 4781, morph the cat wrote:I was wondering how long it'd take you to go back there.
it's been there, i just didnt feel like dealing with it today, and it's just much better to assume town since everyone else is.

Which 100% gives that 5 person POE extreme likelihood of being the actual solve. Even if it isn't, the possibility of there not being at least 2 scum in the 5 is just beyond great odds.
Don't bother to flip again then.

In post 4794, zMuffinMan wrote:that's not something i'd be proud of rofl

If Morph/Zmuffin, then I got it correct with this tinfoil. Look how they came and both instantly attacked me.

After thinking about it, this entire game has been back and forth first Morph coming at me, then Zmuffin. They’re like tagging in and out to keep me down.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:46 pm

Which also makes sense considering Plus was right up next to me for so long. In theory, if Plus flipped, it would pair Plus and I up a bit, but I hard turned on Plus, and muffin/Morph werent able to keep that strain going.

@Remelia - why do you think Zmuffin is scum?

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:51 pm

Spoiler:

It looks like I’ve had Plus and Muffin paired up a lot. ST was with them a lot as well, so I guess there’s the chance I’m wrong, and that’s a possibility for team. I also found a couple TMI posts by Plus and Maid, so I could believe the team is Muffin/Plus/Maid.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:02 pm

In post 4625, April Ludgate wrote:Zmuffinbear, Plus, Remelia, 420, Secret Tunnel

3 of these are scum unless Morph is scum, then 2 of these are.

If you trust I'm town, this is literally the case. I know that I am town, so I know that this is the case.

I have said all game pretty much I think exactly 1 of Plus and Remelia were scum, 420 got a protect. I just wanna say Maid is town, i really can’t get past the idea of how entirely terrible this would be if Maid is scum here. Like, what if we had hit scum day 1 and 2?

So it’s Zmuffin and ST or Zmuffin and Morph.

In post 4622, zMuffinMan wrote:in before april says im frankensteining him or cookiemonstering him or something

This is important because Plus is the one I told that was “warlocking” me, and Zmuffin here brought up silly things like this, which is yet again a discredit attempt on someone pushing them as scum and super suspicious on partner Plus as well. This is exactly how scum should act if I nail their partner and them in this way. Zmuffin has been stating i had terrible and bad reads, when Plus was one of my main components, alongside Zmuffin.

In post 4609, midwaybear wrote:It doesn't seem like April is doing all of this for post game cred. It just seems like they are constantly shifting their reads with each post in thread even if it means bouncing around a lot. Seems really hard to fake as scum even though I know that he is a great scum player.

I also really like this post for townMidway in this area, so even midway sees that Zmuffin is posting things that isn’t what it looks like. Bell also stated that Zmuffin is a puppet master scum, which the entire discredit play by them onto me legit looks like it is happening, especially around the time I was pushing Plus, and remember, there was Plus vs Zmuffin, so this is actually a really scum motivated hatchet plan on me. I was pushing their partner, so they hatcheted me, discrediting me, chopping me down from the bottom to keep me from growing.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:03 pm

You know what...

It’s Zmuffin and 420.

Zmuffin No Killed gambit because they expected me to target them, so if I died, and was the only death, they could help clear 420 because they could push his protect more.

Zmuffin is also trying to no fade with a plan of “420 targeting April. Let’s see what happens.” Mindset.

It’s Zmuffin and 420.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:05 pm

Wait, my action didn’t go through.

Either way, Zmuffin is likely scum no matter what way you look at it. Zmuffin/Morph, Zmuffin/420, or Zmuffin/ST.

I don’t see any other possibilities.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:10 pm

We fade in there today, we have 420 protect me in case he is town, and then we essentially can get an auto clear. If there’s ever only 1 death, and it’s me, whoever I target is scum who tried to get out of it because we will be actively stating 420 is targeting me, which also hinders scum420. This gives us a free conf townie or a caught scum no matter what.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:30 pm

In post 5993, zMuffinMan wrote:im not ascetic

the obvious thing to do here is go directly to N3,
420 on april,
april on me, see what happens
(after 420 checks in and mariaboy are given time to make the asplosion go kaboom)

there's not enough town power to justify a full role blocker here especially given the role cop was 1-shot

In post 6033, zMuffinMan wrote:btw full disclaimer: i should admit that one of the reasons i wanna
go straight to N3 here
is to
make april kill himself if he's town

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:35 pm

In post 5984, zMuffinMan wrote:we're at evens and i doubt scum have more than a 1-shot role block given (the lack of) town power. and i wanna see if the mariaboy thing persists

and you cant even die if 420 is town

just target me again

easy

ah, i understand.

Zmuffin is scum possibly misunderstanding the role. I will die from my Weak modifier even if I am doctored if I hit scum.

My best bets are Zmuffin/420 and Zmuffin/Morph. Again, ST is possible, but I would go in that order right now.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:45 pm

In post 2629, 420 Blaze It wrote:+'s reasons for pushing me are pretty bad. It's fine if it's policy and all, but saying the apathy/not caring has to come from scum is disingenuous

VOTE: +

In post 4482, 420 Blaze It wrote:yeah, I'm a Unconditional Love, a Town-Aligned Conditional White Mage.

my ability is Hope Is A Hell Of A Drug where I can target someone every other night to protect them for the next two nights

I am also town, apparently

In post 4484, 420 Blaze It wrote:oh wait hope drug thing is me being town aligned. True Affection Floats is the name of the ability

Actually, these look kinda anti associations, and I generally do like that mess up, and they seem like not caring town.

In post 5044, 420 Blaze It wrote:Why can't that exist with mine? I guess that's like an IC but you have to survive till eLo to pull it off. Oh I guess you have to get scum to hammer too so more risk reward since it's gg if you get a town to do it

UNVOTE: Remilia

they unvoted remelia here after Rem claimed, and I don't necessarily understand why Rem thought they couldn't exist. We hadn't mass claimed yet, and our small amount of PR's makes me decently happy about it. Especially considering scum are confirmed to have an Ascetic or Roleblocker now.

In post 5270, 420 Blaze It wrote:VOTE: Plus

honestly could flip scum for his continuation tunnel on me being the easiest stance or thing to pursue in the game. also i'm weirdly afraid that people think i'm scum eith him if he doesn't dlip scum so lest not have any of that

they dropped a vote on Plus pretty easily.

And they specifically mentioned that they are afraid of people thinking they are scum with Plus, I actually think this is super townie. Yeah, I think I'm happy with 420 town, and the role does make sense here. I'll look over Prism in a second, but yeah.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:19 pm

Day 1 Some VC's

Spoiler:

420 was voting scum in VC 1.11 until 1.15, and then moved followed by Remelia/Morph, and this was deadline votes.

It's interesting to note that Midwaybear was voting Alisae, Morph put Alisae to F-1, and then Midway unvoted, all in between vote counts. I also believe the Maid Cafe wagon in 1.15 has scum in it, and that would likely be Morph picking the other side that Plus picked, while other scum Zmuffin stayed off.

The final day vote count likely has 2 scum on, 1 scum off, also fits with Morph/Muffin.

Day 2 Some VC's

Spoiler:

VC 2.9-VC 2.11, then the VC 2.16 highly indicates Morph scum. There was a strong back and forth, and the day pretty much changed and I feel it's because scum stopped trying to stop the Plus wagon and just went with it, so I believe both scum are on the 2.16 Plus wagon.

VC 2.12 seems like Morph's attempt to get 420 killed instead of Plus, and that was essentially Morph's turn on 420 temporarily.

Mid way bear was on the early 420 wagon, but didnt join anywhere else. Zmuffin and Midway both jumped at the end after spending the majority of the day not voting.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:22 pm

Both fades weren't able to go through until Morph threw down a vote, which is scum obstructing and not allowing defenses to get past unless they want it too. Zmuffin is perfectly setup to come in and tear me down every single time I started pushing in the right direction. Morph would control gamestate a lot as well.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:27 pm

If you notice when Alisae and plus are the biggest wagons, Morph moves momentum over to Maid Cafe, and it ends up being Alisae vs Maid and Plus ends up in the clear.

I think VCA also makes Morph scum in addition all the other reasons stated, like me targeting them last night. the overreactions. Them being ready for the 1v1.

These reasons separately aren't damning, but all of them together, Morph is just scum.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:29 pm

2.16 makes ST and Bell incredibly unlikely to be the scum team in any world. I'm happy taking that completely out of consideration.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:35 pm

1.16 with likely having scum on the alisae wagon other than Plus also indicates ST/Muffin not being a team.

So I believe, that unless something weird happened with Remelia/Bell/Midwaybear, Morph and Muffin are the team. I'll stop posting for now, but I really wanted to do some deep dive and analysis work to show my thought process through everything, and to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

April Ludgate · Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:45 pm

In post 5275, Bell wrote:
In post 5269, April Ludgate wrote:I’m gonna target Bell if Plus is town.

I’m gonna target Zmuffin if Plus is scum.
Plz don't.

In post 5277, Bell wrote:@Apiril target Morph, muffin, Rem or ST.

Just trust that you're read of me is accurate.

sorry, last thing until people post. I think this is extreme anti Bell/Plus associations. I said I target Bell if plus is town, and zmuffin if plus is scum. they say Plz dont, then go ahead to ask me to target within a group, one of which is Zmuffin, and if Bell was scum with Plus, they would have instantly knew zmuffin would have been my target, hwever they then put Zmuffin in the POE group to target, which means Bell clearly saw the chance of Plus flipping town. Okay, bye!!

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:37 am

Way too much of an overreaction.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:38 am

Even if Morph is town, what an overreaction.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:39 am

Just calls it “poor play” without commenting on any of it.

Specifically, I feel the VC 2.9-2.12 is extremely solid and wouldn’t ever call that poor play, even if it is incorrect.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:40 am

With town reads on Bell and Midway, then the way I feel about ST too.

I feel like Morph town reads the slots as well, so that’s also not “poor play”.

Complete overreaction.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:41 am

Like I said, just basic discredit attempts all game from Morph and Zmuffin with zero actual content when pushing discredits.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:44 am

In post 6162, morph the cat wrote:Which brings us back to....

In post 6156, morph the cat wrote:More likely, this is the shining beacon of April's ego casting blinding light over any other possibility than a high risk high reward play "paying off"

And Morph has used this to explain the night action, acting like that’s my only reason.

I have specifically stated it isn’t just 1 reason and that it is the multitude and collection of many different reasons, and individually they don’t make them scum, but together, the Plus defense, the startup on Maid when Plus is getting wagoned Day 1, the failed night action on them, the basic discredit attempts.

The way you post towards me means any of these basic discredit attempts on saying “poor play” is just crap.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:46 am

The overreactions.

The readiness to 1v1 when they think they were guiltied.

It’s just everything together. And Morph, as town, shouldn’t be this dense to not see it. I have even given them the benefit of the doubt time and time again, so they especially should never be this dense.

ScumMorph with weak discredit attempts toward me all game.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:46 am

Especially considering even in a MorphTown world, they die, this game still gets mech solved likely.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:47 am

In post 6162, morph the cat wrote:Which brings us back to....

In post 6156, morph the cat wrote:More likely, this is the shining beacon of April's ego casting blinding light over any other possibility than a high risk high reward play "paying off"

This is literally all they got.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:49 am

And I’ve played with Wake and one upped him multiple times, so again, nice discredit attempt.

Zmuffin and you do the exact same weak ass discredit attempts that mean actually nothing especially considering I legit do solve games. I might burn through a couple townies to get there, but the results come no matter.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:52 am

I also personally believe that I was more likely roleblocked, and that there’s a 1-shot roleblock/1-shot strongman role or JOAT on the scum team based on different things Zmuffin has pushed over the course of the game.

I reread the game essentially last night through checking different sections of the game, and Zmuffin was making balance spec, and brought up 1-shot roleblock and 1-shot strongman throughout this game.

I think they wanted to No Fade, get me protected, and then strongman kill me.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:54 am

I say we kill Zmuffin or Morph today, and I try my Neighborizer again on the other, that way, I either get a conf townie on one of the slots I’ve been pushing, or they are caught out scum.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:55 am

In post 6156, morph the cat wrote:More likely, this is the shining beacon of April's ego casting blinding light over any other possibility than a high risk high reward play "paying off"

It’s just...it’s so much more than that, and the “high risk reward” play isn’t even being used in my case really as more than a supplementary topping, so this is focusing on the wrong point.

Also, i said the high risk high reward had an enormous payout, but we didn’t get the full payout.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:59 am

In post 6175, midwaybear wrote:I swear something crazy is going to happen again tomorrow.

I’m likely gonna get strongman killed and be the only death, which highly incriminates Zmuffin.

@Midwaybear - I’ve town read you because of the way you’ve responded to specific things throughout the game. I mentioned a post a couple pages ago where you called me reasonings more likely to come from town in a position where you could have swung against me.

The way that I can see myself end up being wrong in regards to at least 1 scum within Morph and Zmuffin, is if you or Bell is scum.

ST I town read, and I want to trust that town read.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:19 am

Zmuffin and Morph have just both been tearing me up this game, and earlier, I even felt I might have deserved the level I was getting from them, but now that more info is in the game, I just think I was a loud player who was likely to halt scum’s momentum, so they upped the discrediting.

Like if you look at their posts towards me, it’s like straight up shade, especially considering I always was giving room for the possibility that I was wrong with world alternatives to them being scum.

Because of it, I just think both Morph and Zmuffin have been super fake when regarding to me, stemming from a real spot where they genuinely probably are annoyed by me, they just are more annoyed than town because they are scum.

I feel like the townies are more likely to be indifferent towards me rather than discredit discredit.

Especially considering I actively played differently on Day 1 to set myself up in that spot as like a fly trap. Day 2 I feel I played pretty well, to be honest, and now that there’s way more to go on, I think I’m playing well here, even if I’m wrong on 1 of Morph/Zmuffin, which is why their discredit attempts have started Ro seem completely scum motivated.

Morph doesn’t comment on anything, just straight shades in an over reactionary manner.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:21 am

They set me up to feel bad or dumb by pushing them, and personally, because of it, I feel if they are misfaded now, it’s much less my fault at this point because of the straight shade they’ve been throwing.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:22 am

In post 6178, midwaybear wrote:I think I'll wait for 420 to check in and then we can end the day. There isn't a need for no hang IMO

Agreed.

@420 - can you claim who you targeted Night 1, and then be down to target me tonight?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:33 am

See. Super predictable

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:35 am

In post 6151, morph the cat wrote:I am disappointed in some of you, and sadly, living within my expectations of others of you.

This is just a defense mechanism to make people feel bad if they vote him which keeps people off him.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:38 am

Like which? Point it out please.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:42 am

You did the yet again predictable route of not doing anything just discrediting.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:46 am

In post 4166, PlusJOYED wrote:there is a small chance that it was some PR's effect that silenced or that this is part of the kamikaze vig effect but I think that is very unlikely

In post 4168, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4167, The Bulge wrote:
In post 4166, PlusJOYED wrote:there is a small chance that it was some PR's effect that silenced or that this is part of the kamikaze vig effect but I think that is very unlikely
did you think of this before or after you posted?
after

i was thinking on the assumption that we have a scum silencer as I mentioned before but that post on its own could be taken out of context

giving silencer effect to a town seems dumb and pointless
and if the silence was a part of the kamikaze claim I'd think they'd have mentioned it. I was considering this based on these assumptions.

Also, Plus here was actively trying to get people to see Maid as scum, which does nothing if Maid and Plus are buddies here.

Plus was stating scum was in Maid, ST, and Remi, expecting them to get blown up.

They also started to push Silencer more, and tried to drown out the kamikaze vigilante while still allowing it to be “a possibility”.

This highly indicates TownMaid.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:50 am

In post 4221, April Ludgate wrote:@Morph - I’m thinking the scum team is Midwaybear, Zmuffin, Secret Tunnel.

From least likely to most likely.

In post 4223, zMuffinMan wrote:do you reads normally suck that bad?

So Midwaybear and ST scum reads suck. Awesome.

I’ll town read then then here. So it seems no matter what the read would be, Zmuffin thinks it’s a bad read.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:02 am

Shows their disconnect with how the game actually is ^

Imma make fools out of these scum.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:06 am

Attempt at trying convince people not to pay attention to the townie with the solve ^

Here’s the thing, I don’t need Zmuffin to see my posts. My posts are not for Zmuffin, and if anything this lowers the amount of shade they are able to bring to me.

ScumZmuffin silencing me benefits me completely, because I’m not trying to convince him that he’s scum, it’s for you guys. I also would like you guys to point out if I’m missing anything major, because I really feel like ST, Bell, Midway are town, for reasons I’ve stated clearly.

Remelia has been right there with me all game, and while I’m a little paranoid, I want to trust them to be town because I really see them pondering, i just am unsure about them town reading Zmuffin the way they do.

That literally only leaves 420, Morph, Maid, and Zmuffin.

Like, I completely admit, I may be wrong on 1 of them.

I’m not wrong on both of them.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:47 am

It’s also POE because of my town read on you

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:48 am

I agree.

I believe I did a lot more than just talked about him discrediting of me that makes him scum.

I have put forth multiple reasons.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:49 am

@ST - look from my POV.

Bell, midway, ST are town. Bulge is town. I believe Maid to be town.

This literally only leaves Morph, Zmuffin, 420, and Remelia.

Which of Bell/Midway do you not town read, ST?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:50 am

Let’s talk about Morph too.

What do you think of VC 2.9 to VC 2.12?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:59 am

For me personally, Zmuffin discrediting me, especially Day 2, is what is called Hatcheting. It’s when a townie is targeted scum, and a partner of scum start discrediting the townie while specifically not pushing them as scum.

I have caught a lot of players due to the same thing.

However, if you need more than the discredit, I feel that Zmuffin has also been actively avoiding voting, which is why Zmuffin’s reads are the most on the fence than anyone.

They also specifically were defending Plus on multiple occasions, and ended up voting Plus at the end of the day. That’s the only vote count in my VCA that they are on the board, and it happened after Morph went back to Plus.

Now also, Zmuffin called out frankensteining which was them making fun of when I told Plus they were warlocking, which is confirmed to have happened because Plus was pocketing me. The fact Plus flipped red, they were trying to tie me to Plus, which means scum is on the opposite side of that as well, Morph and Zmuffin. If 2 scum was outside of this pair, they’d be able to gain momentum against me.

Zmuffin also brought up 1-shot roleblock and 1-shot strongman setup spec throughout the game. Plus flipped 1-shot Rolecop. My guess is scum has each of those roles, which is why I believe Zmuffin tried to No Fade, so they could strongman shot me through 420 protection.

I think I was roleblocked by one of them, and then they want the no fade to get me out of here.

While I think both Morph and Zmuffin would discredit me as town, I don’t believe it would be to this extent. I feel they got stuck in the situation, and i legit think they are genuinely upset, I just think it’s because I caught them out as scum.

And like I said, I can see me being wrong on 1, not both, so sure, Zmuffin could be town.

Id rather fade Morph today, and then target Zmuffin tonight.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:01 am

@ST - Honestly, it’s kind of rough. Because if I am wrong, I do think you fill that slot, which is why I think I’m just correct.

I just really think both 420 and Maid are town because Plus was trying to push momentum over to them multiple times.

Do you know who also did that?

Morph.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:02 am

Plus, 4 town PR’s seems right, especially considering I was blocked, the no kill happened, AND Plus flipped Role Cop.

Morph specifically waited until the end of mass claim to claim too.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:11 am

Spoiler:

In post 3491, PlusJOYED wrote:i'd say current wagons are ali, me, and 420

In post 3496, PlusJOYED wrote:420 is playing *just* enough to avoid being replaced which gets on my nerves tbh. every post he's made is very close to being a prodge

In post 3499, PlusJOYED wrote:420 voting me out of omgus may be fueling a sort of confbias in me but I still think 420 is scum

In post 3514, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3507, morph the cat wrote:
In post 3494, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 3492, Remilia Scarlet wrote:I think 420 is just not playing. I don't think we're going to get anything reasonable out of that slot as it currently stands. I agree w/ Bulge on this.
What's the dif between 420 slot and our slot?
Prism's content was above the null line, slightly into town.
disagree on that one

In post 3658, PlusJOYED wrote:why is maid more likely to be scum than 420 or ali? I don't understand
I'm getting exhausted at this point regardless. April's list makes no sense to me either but I don't wanna get into it right now

In post 3734, PlusJOYED wrote:well even so I think we should elim ali or 420 today, and hang maid if they don't explode by day 2

In post 3754, PlusJOYED wrote:I think beeboy is telling the truth given recent statements by Bell and SS.
At the very least, it makes sense to wait since they can be confirmed.

In post 3762, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3759, midwaybear wrote:I know that. It just makes me more hesitant because you might make excuses and stuff for why you haven't "bombed" anyone. With an IC, there is no doubt.
my opinion is that if maid is town, we leave them alone and say they have to pick a target tonight. If they are alive day 2, we make them tell us their target. If their target is dead or highly townread by everyone or maid makes another excuse why they can't explode them, we kill maid. Otherwise, we decide based on the target if we want them to explode or wait. I don't wanna drag this out forever.

In post 3874, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 3870, morph the cat wrote:Does anyone here actively have any of those three slots in their top tier town reads?

Can we just get data on all three, see which flips red, and then let april go to their cork boards of red string and newspaper clippings?
no 420 and ali are my bottom 2
maria will sort themselves tomorrow

In post 4060, PlusJOYED wrote:what happened to maid? Was that some sort of player ability?

In post 4074, PlusJOYED wrote:what happened to maid reminds me of this:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Silencer
so I'd think whoever silenced maid was probably maf; if I was a town silencer I'd never use it

In post 4079, PlusJOYED wrote:assuming maf has a silencer, which since maid didn't mention they get silenced from their ability which I'd think of as an important detail, I can think of a few possibilities

In post 4091, PlusJOYED wrote:silencer may prevent the bomb from going off if the bomb claim is real and they need to post in the main thread that they are choosing to explode. so ST or remi was afriad of being targeted as maf and so they silenced the bomber
or
maid isn't bomber or is maf bomber and their maf buddy is silencing them as an alibi
is there another possibility im missing? That's all i can think of

In post 4165, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4025, Maid Cafe wrote:Secret/Remi are the confident 2 for me for scum. The rest are toss up
~M
the fact that maid got silenced and posted this last makes me think there is an extemely high chance of a scum being within maid, ST, or remi. If none of those were scum, I'd think scum would not of silenced maid since getting a town vig to blow themselves up and take out another townie would be a huge win. I'm not sure if the silence effect would prevent them from exploding with another target though.

In post 4166, PlusJOYED wrote:there is a small chance that it was some PR's effect that silenced or that this is part of the kamikaze vig effect but I think that is very unlikely

In post 4191, PlusJOYED wrote:I wish maid would have elaborated on their scumreads on ST/remi.
A possible strat is that maid is scum and both ST/remi are town, another scum silenced scum!maid after they hastily said some random reads with the suicide bomber claim and planned on silencing them to get a few mislims.
Either way I look at it one of maid/st/remi has to be scum unless im getting played or totally off base.

These are Plus quotes, Plus started to town read Maid after they claimed the bomb, which i feel was because they didn’t want to get blown up.

Also, Plus constantly tried getting pressure onto 420, and I think 420’s role makes sense in this setup.

Also, if 420 is scum, it’s not like they coast out for the victory this game, same with Maid.

Later, Plus starts to call Maid scum when they aren’t here to post, even adding Remelia and ST to the lists.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:15 am

In post 4105, zMuffinMan wrote:you guys don't think mariaboy were just outright lying or scum?

i sincerely doubt that's the 'trigger'

likely they're either scum whose role allowed them to leave the game for a day or they're town who got removed involuntarily

but i can't think of a good reason to justify the latter unless it can be repeated

though i guess we'll find out soon if it was or wasn't the 'trigger'

In post 4116, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 4105, zMuffinMan wrote:you guys don't think mariaboy were just outright lying or scum?

i sincerely doubt that's the 'trigger'

likely they're either scum whose role allowed them to leave the game for a day or they're town who got removed involuntarily

but i can't think of a good reason to justify the latter unless it can be repeated

though i guess we'll find out soon if it was or wasn't the 'trigger'
i think if that was the trigger they would of mentioned it, that'd be a pretty important detail to leave out and if they didn't know that's how their role worked that's a textbook bastard mechanic and would be against site rules

In post 4121, zMuffinMan wrote:theoretically if they were gonna use the bomb and that was the trigger, they're not exactly in a rush to use it, probably? literally dont have to post all day so it's not like they need to do it immediately lol

Both Plus and Zmuffin are actively playing with Maid Speculation as well and they’re actually the main ones doing so at this time. Plus also covers Zmuffin’s missing tracks in the response.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:48 pm

420, my join date brother.

Hello.

Will you target me tonight so I can’t die unless a strongman hits me or I target scum?

Yes, you should claim your night 1 target.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:55 pm

Awesome.

That’s really clutch. There’s tinfoil 420/Morph, but I just think 420 is town.

Which means Morph likely was the night kill.

@420 - I’m a weak neighborizer. I targeted Bulge.

You target me means I can’t die at night, so we can talk about who I target today so I can possibly Suicide.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:56 pm

In post 6218, morph the cat wrote:
In post 6217, 420 Blaze It wrote:what's up cats
You're the second white mage to earn my literally undying gratitude.

Yeah, no, 420 was clutch here.

Zmuffin and ST is the scum team then.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:57 pm

Morph, do you town read me?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:59 pm

I think we’ve just had a big issue because of paranoia of the other being scum this game. Regardless, if you look at my case on you, it does make sense, it just isn’t what’s happening, so I hope you can see how from my POV I got to that spot.

I was trying to have people come in and explain where I was missing holes.

Nobody would talk about you to me, though, they just focused on Zmuffin.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:01 pm

Zmuffin/ST
Zmuffin/Bell
Zmuffin/Remelia
Zmuffin/Midwaybear
Midwaybear/Remelia
Midwaybear/Bell
Midwaybear/ST
Remelia/Bell
Remelia/ST
Bell/ST

@Morph - which of these do you think it is?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:01 pm

In post 6230, morph the cat wrote:We're still on team maid-scum.

Mafia has a roleblocker. Hopefully 1-shot.

Alright, then which of the others is scum.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:02 pm

Let me look at those vote counts again without having confbias.

I’m wondering if 420/Morph makes sense, but luckily, I town read 420.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:08 pm

That was part of the way I was playing.

I really wish you ended up in my neighborhood.

If Zmuffin is scum they expected to not have you around, and probably go after me, tbh.

Something Smart then you, that’s extremely connected to me. And do you not agree that since Plus was that close up to me, it makes sense for someone to be completely opposite of that?

Plus, Zmuffin, and Myself were in multiple conversations throughout the game together. At the very least, one big chapter in Day 1, 1 in Day 2

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:10 pm

In post 6230, morph the cat wrote:We're still on team maid-scum.

Mafia has a roleblocker. Hopefully 1-shot.

Zmuffin brought this up Day 2 as a possibility, I believe.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:10 pm

In post 6236, zMuffinMan wrote:speaking of which, that makes things rather simple: there's no world in which me-scum and april-town exists that i don't just shoot april and not block him rofl

i would like to see anyone who thinks i'm scum explain why i'd block april and shoot fferycabd without saying "WIFOM!!! YOU COULD HAVE" haha

If you’re town, which of the pairings I made are scum then?

You have no reads.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:11 pm

@Morph - I think scum wanted to try and fade me.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:12 pm

In post 6239, April Ludgate wrote:@Morph - I think scum wanted to try and fade me.

Also, keep in mind, scum shot you meaning they didn’t think 420 had protected you.

So i feel scum thought i was protected, which is good, because I was acting like he did without actually knowing if he did.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:14 pm

In post 6240, morph the cat wrote:
In post 6236, zMuffinMan wrote:speaking of which, that makes things rather simple: there's no world in which me-scum and april-town exists that i don't just shoot april and not block him rofl

i would like to see anyone who thinks i'm scum explain why i'd block april and shoot fferycabd without saying "WIFOM!!! YOU COULD HAVE" haha
I was willing to eat an elim today if it meant I could shout full-voice and soon-to-be confirmed town that you've been a ffery-townread since day 1, paranoia and all.

It was a weird situation because I scum read Zmuffin harder than I scum read you, but because of the ascetic situation, it made sense to go you.

That’s interesting.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:17 pm

I already reread the game from a reset last night.

Like the entire game.

I’m here for the solve whether you like it or not at this point.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:19 pm

I also personally don’t like the Maid read because that means scum have a roleblocker, a role cop, and Maid’s role or whatever it is to do that to them?

Maybe I just don’t want that to be happening.

But I feel Plus/Maid have a lot of anti associations.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:20 pm

I think the game’s been fine.

You just are easily tiltable and wasn’t able to be scum read by me, which is acceptable. I get it.

But to say I haven’t had good analysis, at least looking into every nook and cranny, and highlighting VC’s for visual aid, then you cray

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:22 pm

In post 6249, Secret Tunnel wrote:Can someone tell me why I’m wrong on the bear please because I’m trying not to tunnel but I don’t like their readflip

I think you can be right, actually.

It’s pretty obvious scum were relying on Morph/April fight. Like scum fueled that fire, Morph. If you’re truly town and see that I’m town, of fucking course scum fueled us. Like why wouldn’t they? They just had to add a little gas to it.

No scum sees us going at each other and doesn’t.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:25 pm

How’s this sound?

We fade Midwaybear.

I target Bell.

420 white mages me.

Then move to Zmuffin/ST later.

My in game style is very similar to a Light Yagami combined with L, because like L, even if something is a 7% chance of being correct, it helps to move forward like it’s 100% correct, and then when something disproves it, you can be certain.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:27 pm

I still agree with the Alisae fade, if only because Town Alisae would have helped scum discredit me, and my role, I needed to be centralized.

This was my first town game in since like quarantine started, so I went extra try hard here.

I was rolling scum like 6 times in a row earlier in the year, so I was excited.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:28 pm

In post 6253, morph the cat wrote:
In post 6249, Secret Tunnel wrote:Can someone tell me why I’m wrong on the bear please because I’m trying not to tunnel but I don’t like their readflip
Barring PR results, this is where we were when the day started and maid was untouchable again.

I cannot believe that scum would have a role that would make a town player so bored/useless/unhappy/whatever for multiple game days. A 1 shot I could believe, barely. A can't retarget the same player I could almost believe.

The last game of mine that Nacho reviewed, every change he suggested to my original design was to make the game more fun and more rewarding for every player. It was an 9P role madness design.

This is why I think it’s Maria’s role as town.

Beeboy specifically stated they target someone at Night, and then they’ll know.

I feel like they expected us to understand this was them as town doing this.

If they are alive any other day, ANY other day, we fade them, no exception.

That’s where I’m at with them, and why I’m not worried about them.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:39 pm

In post 6143, April Ludgate wrote:
Day 1 Some VC's

Spoiler:
VC 1.9
420 Blaze It (4): MariaR,
plusJOYED
,
The Bulge, April Ludgate

Alisae
(2): 420 Blaze It, Bell

plusJOYED
(1): Remilia Scarlet
secret tunnel (1): midway bear
mariaR (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (4): zMuffinMan,
Alisae, Something_Smart
, morph the cat

VC 1.11
Alisae
(3):
April Ludgate
, bell,
plusJOYED

plusJOYED
(3):
Alisae
, Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It
420 Blaze It (1): Maid cafe
secret tunnel (1): midway bear
maid cafe (1): secret tunnel

April Ludgate (1): The Bulge

Not Voting (3): zMuffinMan,
Something_Smart
, morph the cat
,

VC 1.13
Alisae (5): April Ludgate,
bell,
plusJOYED
, midwaybear, Maid Cafe (R-2)

plusJOYED
(2):
Alisae,
420 Blaze It
maid cafe (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (5): zMuffinMan,
Something_Smart
, morph the cat,
The Bulge
, Remilia Scarlet

VC 1.15
maid cafe (4): secret tunnel, morph the cat,
alisae
, remilia scarlet

Alisae (4): April Ludgate
, bell,
plusJOYED
, Maid Cafe

plusJOYED
(1): 420 Blaze It

Not Voting (4): zMuffinMan,
Something_Smart, The Bulge
, midwaybear

VC 1.16 END DAY
Alisae (7): April Ludgate,
bell,
plusJOYED
, 420 Blaze It, remilia scarlet, morph the cat, Maid Cafe
maid cafe (1): secret tunnel
420 Blaze It (1): midwaybear

Something_Smart (1): The Bulge

Not Voting (3): zMuffinMan,
Something_Smart, alisae

Day 2 Some VC's

Spoiler:
VC 2.4
420 Blaze It (4): Bell, midwaybear,
April Ludgate,

plusJOYED
(R-2)
April Ludgate (1): Secret Tunnel

Not Voting (5):
The Bulge
, morph the cat, zMuffinMan, Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It

VC 2.7
420 Blaze It (2):
plusJOYED
, Remilia Scarlet
zmuffinman (2):
April Ludgate,
secret tunnel

plusJOYED
(1): morph the cat
secret tunnel (1): bell

Not Voting (4):
The Bulge
, zMuffinMan, 420 Blaze It, midwaybear

VC 2.9
plusJOYED
(4): morph the cat,
April Ludgate
, Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It (R-2)
420 Blaze It (1):
plusJOYED

zmuffinman (1): secret tunnel
secret tunnel (1): bell

Not Voting (3):
The Bulge
, zMuffinMan, midwaybear

VC 2.10
plusJOYED
(5): morph the cat,
April Ludgate
, Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It, bell (R-1)
420 Blaze It (1):
plusJOYED

zmuffinman (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (3):
The Bulge
, zMuffinMan, midwaybear

VC 2.11
plusJOYED
(4):
April Ludgate
, Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It, bell (R-2)
420 Blaze It (1):
plusJOYED

zmuffinman (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (4):
The Bulge
, zMuffinMan, midwaybear, morph the cat

VC 2.12
420 Blaze It (3):
plusJOYED
,
April Ludgate
, morph the cat

plusJOYED
(2): Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It,
zmuffinman (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (4}:
The Bulge
, zMuffinMan, midway bear, Bell

VC 2.14
plusJOYED
(4): Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It, morph the cat,
April Ludgate
(R-2)
420 Blaze It (1):
plusJOYED

zmuffinman (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (4}:
The Bulge
, zMuffinMan, midway bear, bell

VC 2.16 END DAY
plusJOYED
(6): Remilia Scarlet, 420 Blaze It, morph the cat,
April Ludgate
, zmuffinman, midwaybear (Sent to Rehab)
420 Blaze It (1):
plusJOYED

zmuffinman (1): secret tunnel

Not Voting (2}:
The Bulge
, bell

.

For ease of access.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:40 pm

Maid does fit in well Wagonomics wise we scum.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:40 pm

Can I target Maid at night?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:43 pm

It’s Midway and Bell.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:44 pm

Nah, I still don’t think Bell.

That would mean all 3 scum tried to play up to me. Hmm.

Scum could have been playing around me which explains why I can’t see it. I’m able to control townies like that as scum.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:53 pm

I think I’m only looking below the surface.

I think i need to look on the surface here.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:56 pm

I’m clearly overthinking.

Morph works me just as much as I work him. Like he said the take a break line, and it made me wanna post for 10 hours straight.

That’s similar to how RC and I just straight up can’t play together, but that’s ancient history now. That’s my favorite extreme rivalry on site, though.

ST, I trust you for some reason, and I think you have probably had the strongest reads all game.

I’m happy with my Plus case yesterday, and I think the supporting role I played in this game is enough for my comeback town game.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:58 pm

Remelia’s role is so weird

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:59 pm

Gross that mafia skin

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:55 pm

Don’t end the day yet. I wanna talk to Remelia still, see where they are.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:57 pm

Complete reset.

Bell, Midwaybear, Secret Tunnel, Remelia, Zmuffin.

2 of 5.

Scum are actually not in a great spot at all. Some weird 420 scum gambit is possible, but I’m going to trust my read on 420. Been there since Day 1 and he voted Morph alongside with me, I will stop overthinking that.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:58 pm

In post 6289, Secret Tunnel wrote:Ffery are you going to be around later?

I have something to bounce off you when I get off work and it’s REALLY tinfoil but I keep thinking about it

If it has anything to do with me, I’ll make sure that I die before ELO, or else just fade me. My death confirms my neighborhood as town.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Game design is one of my strong suits, and I’ve been waiting for Remelia to return as well, so that’s something that’s in the future.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:58 pm

@ST - if Maid is scum, then 3610 Pawnee Today ended up being incredibly strong. I forgot about that post. Actually, that makes me feel a bit better about Zmuffin.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:05 pm

In post 6314, Flavor Leaf wrote:First town game on the April Ludgate account. Interesting, i don’t think I like playing as town on that account. Avatar psychology.

Damn, first actual accidental alt slip. The rest was for the moment or because I was too lazy and in a hurry to switch. I switch from my IPad/phone/Mac a lot, so that’s why it happens.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:05 pm

In post 3610, April Ludgate wrote:SEE CRITT TUNNNNNNNELLLLLL, annoying playstyle, townie like, only scum if I was right before with Alisae or Morph scum. They don't have strong positioning in the gamestate, and they have absurdist ish reads. There's a chance they are probably the most accurate in this game.

OH MY GOD WHAT WERE YOUR READS HERE

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:09 pm

Spoiler:

Hmm, interesting string. Possible connection? Not sure. But worth a spoiler quote

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:18 pm

In post 6318, Bell wrote:Glad you two made up.

He just got a lot of his pairing and different worlds cross off my quantum data device is all.

You can see in my neighborhood last night I mentioned thinking Morph had a decent chance of being night killed if town. It actually makes the risks higher than you guys even thought it was, lol

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:21 pm

In post 6321, Secret Tunnel wrote:@april-
Muffin at ?lean town
Scumpool was joyed maid Ali

I actually just checked. I also said muffin was a little less for me, and you mentioned liking that.
But yeah, we both had Joy/Maid at the time, and I was pushing Alisae in a different world, but that was the time I flipped and called Alisae town.

Actually, that was really good of you to bring up because my giant post was me talking about living in a world where Alisae and Morph were town, which we are Occam’s razor wise at least, seeming to be in.

I don’t really wanna think about tinfoils and a 420 gambit or a no kill gambit, so I’m just gonna see Morph as town unless I see a glaring reason not to.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:22 pm

In post 6323, Bell wrote:Seriously, you shoot the white mage. Because they're white mages. This is RPG basics.

I didn’t think they would, and they didn’t. I feel like scum probably thought 420 was on me, so they went elsewhere.

With a possible strongman on the scum team, i don’t think they necessitate shooting 420 AP was a high misfade possibility ever there.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:23 pm

Idk what AP was meant to be. My iPad’s fucked, so it does some weird things sometimes

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:26 pm

Something I’ve been thinking about for a while, Secret Tunnel made a i wish April would just target me comment a while back, and I thought it really seemed like town who thought there was a good chance of them getting faded sometime this game, and not knowing how to town themselves up. Zmuffin did something similar, and I can see the townieness coming from it.

And then Bell did the opposite.

Midwaybear looks like a consensus compromise fade, so i think that might make them town.

Oh my god, if it’s Bell, Remelia, and Plus as the scum team, that’s freakin’ HILARIOUS.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:26 pm

Oh my god, if that’s the team, they might have thought I was some secret traitor.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:26 pm

That was my D1 town block lol

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:34 pm

People get excited to be scum with me.

People groan when they realize I’m town.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:59 pm

Would be a fitting way to end this game with an April, Morph, Bell final 3.

But I think that’s impossible based on my getting clears/guilty.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:01 pm

Remelia, Midwaybear, Zmuffin is probably my current pool to fade with today, but I don’t know if Midwaybear is getting scummier based on us figuring out he’s scum or if he’s getting compromised onto because scum is having to scramble around.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:01 pm

In post 6339, morph the cat wrote:
In post 6335, Bell wrote:Midwaybear went down.
He seems to be getting progressively more awkward/grumpier as the game goes on.
He's becoming a consensus read. That's scaring me a little, but some of his posts have set off my mindset sensors.

How do you think scum would have behaved as last night went down, knowing they targeted us and knowing an eventual clear was likely or at least possible?

Clear wasn’t possible.

I was blocked.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:03 pm

I’m also tunneled on Zmuffin because of him being obnoxious, so that’s why I’m partial to there.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:12 pm

420 protected Morph Night 1, so it’s assumed scum was killing Morph last night while I got blocked, so that would confirm him as town, if we could confirm 420, but not going into tinfoil, I would probably be okay losing in that fashion, just because it was a solid play as scum, and gamestate wise, Cabd got it. If he’s scum. If he’s town, we bout to Goku and Vegeta fused with Light and L this shit.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:13 pm

Also, @Bell - if you’re scum who just faked that interaction, I think you just became my new fave.

Actually, if either of you are scum, it makes me happy.

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:22 pm

I also wanna give a big shout out to Something_Smart with that clutch “I’m gonna check out +joyed tonight, see what I can find” comment in Day 1, drawing that night kill as VT followed by the scum flip of that exact player. Like, we all knew we had a scum flip. Except Midwaybear.

So let’s talk, Midbear. How’s it going?

April Ludgate · Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:08 pm

I’m thinking fade Midway, target Remelia.

Then i get that 2 night protection, so we confirm Remelia there, and if game doesn’t end, flip Maid if that’s possible, if they blow up, flip whoever isn’t blown up in ST/Zmuffin, then I target the other if Maid just disappears.

Honestly, if they can Suicide and not kill anything, that’s fine too.

We have a mech win if Morph/420/Bell are all town.

It’s not auto win because scum can push us off course, but if that is the case that they are all town, we have a mech wincon victory right there. I think it’s worth pushing through?

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:00 am

In post 6408, morph the cat wrote:I mean maybe I'm just super dumb, but i was operating under the assumption that the N1 protect was on april.

I planted that into people’s heads yesterday so scum would think this too.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:00 am

In post 6421, midwaybear wrote:That's why I said it looks bad for Maid right now.

Non issue. If they are ever able to be killed off in game, they will be.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:03 am

420scum gambit no kill and roleblock on me tinfoil.

That would be 420 and Zmuffin, who conf town’d Morph because I was trying to kill Zmuffin, but i like 420

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:05 am

@Morph - I will die eventually. There’s only 2 scum. I can’t win if I’m scum. Not worth it for me to fake claim here.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

Midwaybear-Remelia is where I’m at right now.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:38 am

I wouldn’t have accepted 420/Morph as town/town as scum here and accept losing the game on it.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:34 am

Pushing 420 is an extreme scum agenda if 420 is town, not gonna lie. I think 420's best to deal with tomorrow if people don't think they are.

I think it's just Midway and Remelia at this point, guys.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:35 am

Remelia also tried to act earlier like the roles don't make sense together, but they're not related like at all.

And town have a low amount of PR's even if all PR's are low, so if one's fake, I think it's Remelia.

They know I'm pushing at them, so they tried to turn it onto me and 420.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:36 am

In post 6433, Bell wrote:I don't strongly disagree with Rem's points.
I think killing morph was dumb unless 420 fake claimed.

It's the mark of the Flavor Leaf WIFOM. I think it makes sense that scum went to Morph, to be honest. Which highly indicates 420 is town because that means scum likely thought 420 targeted me, which i was actively trying to make scum think.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:37 am

Anyone play Pokemon Puzzle League on the N64? I can picture one of the Pokemon after getting a giant combo going...

Remelia...ReMEEElia...remelia...REMEELIA

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 6441, morph the cat wrote:April, do YOU know what 6429 meant?

are you calling him Newbscum?

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:59 pm

I feel like I just spent a decent amount of time contemplating scum Bell.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:01 pm

Fade Midway, then I target Remelia, Muffin, Secret, or Bell. We gotta decide which. If I hit town, awesome, we fade in one of the remaining, then I do it again the next night, and attempt to die 100% of the time.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:02 pm

I just feel Bell's made a lot of actively anti scum agenda posts that don't even help him if he's scum, if that makes sense. More of a he could have said nothing at all and been better off.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:03 pm

I think ScumMidway just has to open you up here is all. Even if you were partners, the anti association would be nice.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:04 pm

He might even be trying to make us think you could be his partner if you are town here, Bell. Make it look like scum theatre.

ScumMidway knows he's going down here. if townMidway, then yeah, he just thinks you could be scum.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:05 pm

In post 6471, morph the cat wrote:I wonder if it's possible to target maid at night.

It probably is, but I personally don't want to risk them blowing up at day start, and it not even matter.

If they're ever able to be faded, I think they should just be faded, so it's almost not worth, if that makes sense.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:05 pm

Whereas collecting another conftown would be worth doing considering it's a 2 night protection.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:15 pm

i don't need to die tonight, I can die next night, so it's okay for me to hit town, but yeah, Bell's too solid of a town read. need like the highest of the unsure to maximize my role.

I'm leaning targeting Remelia tonight, then tomorrow night try to end my life in a 50/50 with Muffin/ST if game hasn't ended.

VOTE: Midwaybear

I could go ST, though, I'd like them in the neighborhood comfly, but honestly, that's me expecting to hit a townie.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:15 pm

In post 6485, Bell wrote:I also don't think Rem is wrong a lot this game.

this might be why they're scum, though

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:16 pm

In post 6491, morph the cat wrote:The thing is ideally we want april to die alongside a second name from the scumkill. If that DOESNT happen, we have to assume he was the NK and his target is ??? no info on alignment.

I don't think that happens if the scum RB or whatnot is multihit.

if they're full roleblocker, that just wrecks my role.

UNVOTE: Midway

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:18 pm

Probably should fade my target regardless if I'm the only death, just to make less WIFOM and less cracks in the solve. Find out what happened that way.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:19 pm

In post 6496, Bell wrote:can't argue with that.

I'm just one vote.

Just please for the love of whatever god (or atheiest/agnostic ethical belief system you adhere too) don't lie about who you're going to visit.

Nah, you'll get the straight up confirmation tonight.

I can't have scum trying to say "they probably changed their role"

straight up, I will say who I'm targeting. Can't do that more than once per game unless it REALLY calls for it.

It doesn't here.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:19 pm

today*

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:19 pm

I'm gonna target in Remelia or ST, just because I'm happier having them in my neighborhood than Muffin tomorrow if they are town.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:35 pm

I said it Day 2.

There’s definitely a chance Maid town targeted me, especially after the Alisae town flip.

So maybe they’ll die alongside me.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:35 pm

In post 6511, April Ludgate wrote:I said it Day 2.

There’s definitely a chance Maid town targeted me, especially after the Alisae town flip.

So maybe they’ll die alongside me.

Ah fuck. If they die alongside me, this is really bad for us possibly.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:36 pm

Maria definitely shouldn’t explode if it’s myself or Morph they targeted, which is possible

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:29 pm

In post 6517, morph the cat wrote:talk about bork?

What kind of ability would win scum-him lylo given the ability he claimed?

Frankly, if they thought they weren’t going to be alone as scum in lylo, it does make sense.

Especially considering where the gamestate was in a Midwaybear/Remelia world.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:30 pm

If Maria is scum, this game’s in a good spot, and we essentially just win.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:02 pm

I’m trying so hard not to throw shade at Zmuffin right now, but i couldn’t do it completely, so we got this post

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:03 pm

We should definitely just fade today, narrow the pool a bit more. We’re gonna have a double death eventually, so no fade is just anti productive.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:04 pm

I just don’t understand such hang up on Maria. If they’re scum, that’s going to sort itself out in a “Oh, that was much easier than I thought!” kind of way, so let’s focus outside of that.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:05 pm

I also don’t understand Zmuffin town reads.

Can someone explain why Zmuffin is so townie.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:19 pm

Okay. Okay, okay...i see, I see. Those are some pretty good reasons.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:20 pm

In post 6531, midwaybear wrote:
In post 6525, April Ludgate wrote:We’re gonna have a double death eventually, so no fade is just anti productive.
How do you know we will have a double death?

This guy ^ haha.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:21 pm

Okay.

Then it’s Midwaybear and Maid Cafe.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:22 pm

Let’s lock it in.

I’ve played devil’s advocate as long as I could to make sure we didn’t have any missing cracks.

I’m satisfied calling the game on Midwaybear/Maid if you guys are.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:24 pm

Here’s the thing, I fully believe every single player in this game is capable of making a scum gambit on the level necessary to win here as scum, I just don’t think that’s happened? I genuinely can trust everyone who’s been talking as town, except Scumbear. And then Maid being out of the game, we were just town yelling at each other.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:25 pm

I put on my jester suit, starting dancing on stage, and eventually we just figured it out. :shrug:

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:36 pm

Midwaybear is alluding to partner Maid coming out and exploding ending the day before they can be faded.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:37 pm

@Bell - It’s pretty hilarious. I think Midwaybear is so incredibly scummy right now

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:43 pm

I think we just move on to the next day. Anything furthers gonna just be circular.

I’ll target Secret Tunnel.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:46 pm

Could be a play by 420’s partner to help get 420 through the game

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:47 pm

Like no kill gambit, roleblocked me, 420 gets to state the target after they see where the gamestate went.

Kinda came perfect timing. Morph and I were going at it.

Zmuffin is back in it if we think 420 is scum.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:48 pm

Your awareness of the gamestate just went way down, and I think that’s more because you’re scum who has to push elsewhere, and it’s just lined up awkwardly, and your play from prior days retroactively almost became scummy as well.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:48 pm

@Midwaybear ^ i didn’t refresh.

VOTE: Midwaybear

SECRET TUNNELLLLLL

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:51 pm

Hope not a strongman.

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:05 pm

Yee, sounds good. Let’s get that candy, ya

April Ludgate · Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:06 pm

In post 6596, morph the cat wrote:
In post 6595, morph the cat wrote:
In post 6593, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, but you dead, Cat.

It’s on your time.
I think our 7 page iso literally speaks volumes.

It's enough.
We've played 18 games as a hydra, and modded two. 1/6 of our post count is in this thread. It's insane.

All the more reason to make sure you’re okay with it ending because your time here is likely up.

It will be missed. A sheer antithesis of my play, but in the end, we got to the town reads.

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:24 am

It’s fine if they are town doing it to themselves

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:25 am

I personally don’t like Remelia’s role

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:26 am

In post 6616, morph the cat wrote:That certainly was a string of posts.

That is in this game.

2 scum in a row. Gj, everyone

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:28 am

I’ll just target Remelia.

Sorry, ST. I think they have more of a chance, and I need to figure that out.

If I’m the only death, Remelia no kill gambited.

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:29 am

With any luck, Morph and I go out how we started.

Together!

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:59 am

In post 6651, midwaybear wrote:
In post 6629, morph the cat wrote:Midway if you come back you should definitely tell us why the heck you shot something smart
Yeah that probably wasn't too smart. Honestly, it didn't even make sense mechanically in hindsight(I think) but it is what it is.

To be fair, it hindered me heavily that SS was killed, but Plus went down because of it. If SS wasn’t VT, it would have been good, but SS played ScumPlus.

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:01 am

Muffin or Remelia is last scum.

I don’t think it’s Maria.

April Ludgate · Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:03 am

420 might have felt something with Remelia today, and I kinda like that, so I’ll target Remelia to clear that up. It is for my own sake as well.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:11 pm

Rem is obv scum

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:15 pm

I believe that Remelia's role removes you from the game when you target them. However, they could have just run out of shots or had to have done the kill.

I think it was fairly obvious if I was going to target last night, it would have been Bell.

I tried to target Remelia prior to being removed.

I then tried to target Bell, but was removed.

I didn't act last night because I didn't want to accidentally end up dying and then having someone else be removed the same day.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:18 pm

I'm still gonna take some time to look it over, but I am leaning Remelia is scum, and have been since before I was removed.

The day I pushed Midwaybear I was stating the team was Midwaybear and Remelia over and over, and then I got removed. Whether that was because I targeted Remelia that night or not remains to be seen. I had a PR that could hurt, there were multiple reasons.

Maid got removed when only one scum was alive? or no? Is there chance of Maid scum at all here?

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:19 pm

Yeah, I could neighborhood at night. Bulge and I talked, and he thought Remelia or Morph was last scum, but didn't want to push it. That remover role is like really rough.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:21 pm

Like, here's the thing, I've been thinking it's Remelia since Day 3. I did my own analysis when I was bored, and still came to Rem scum. It makes sense why I'm still alive here and not removed, alongside Bell dying.

I personally think it's annoying if Maid is scum here, not impossible unless it actually is, but that would feel like a bad beat. Secret Tunnel was being town read by everyone, so I don't feel bad if they swept the game under the radar.

I'm trusting my gut here with Remelia, essentially, and if I'm wrong, well played, Maid.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:22 pm

I will say, there is a more than 30% chance I vote elsewhere.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:25 pm

it just feels really gross to lose to ScumMaid here, so like...I'm probably going to let that happen if they are scum. Just cause they didn't really do anything. Their scum game's better than that, but I guess I've seen them win it like that before, but ugh

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:26 pm

Can you claim your roles for me again? Maid, you too

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:27 pm

Honestly, right now this feels like more of a Maid vs Bork. I'll make sure to look over ST in case I'm missing something, but yeah. This conversation of y'alls looks really forced, but I don't know by which one.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:29 pm

In post 4571, Remilia Scarlet wrote:If scum were to hammer me, at ELO, game will not end, VC will be reset, and my role PM will be posted in the thread.

this is more what I care about

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:30 pm

it specifically says ELO?

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:33 pm

so why would scum be waiting for me to vote here? they'd need to be on before me to win the game? Are they expecting all 3 town to vote onto you?

If town, don't hammer. Simple. Why is that a thing?

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:35 pm

the remover role is interesting.

because Maid, a claimed PR, got removed. And Remelia, the other claimed PR, has a very weird role.

This has scum attached to it, which is why ST isn't in the running for me right now.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:37 pm

Hmm, could be jester? Could explain the remove. Jester SK hybrid? Hmm....I'm a little nervous of fading Remelia.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:39 pm

For what it's worth, I did expect me to be in this day phase. I just had a feeling, which is why I didn't target last night. Maybe I wish I would have for the potential townie.

Here's the thing, is there multiple baddies? Jester Reflexive Remover Remelia, Mafia ST? Is this possible? I'm going deep, I know, but at this point, I'm taking what I can get.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:41 pm

this is some crazy gambit if scum.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:43 pm

In post 6662, April Ludgate wrote:420 might have felt something with Remelia today, and I kinda like that, so I’ll target Remelia to clear that up. It is for my own sake as well.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:44 pm

@Secret Tunnel - would you let me hammer Remelia?

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:48 pm

Awesome. It's one of you two.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:48 pm

It's Secret Tunnel

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:50 pm

In post 438, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 431, PlusJOYED wrote:
In post 389, Secret Tunnel wrote:This is going to be a 100 page d1 isn’t it
absolutely
my initial impression of april is negative. They are lamisting here without solve effort
Hard disagree that there is no solve effort.

Frankly, I feel I’ve done a lot more in my short time than most players already.

You just don’t see the invisible effect I have on a game, which is understandable based on your limited exposure with me.

If I were hard pushing solve analysis this early, the game wouldn’t be able to breathe.

Okay, so I commented on scum talking in the thread together.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:51 pm

In post 8137, Secret Tunnel wrote:I want to win a game through sheer obvtownity

That’s why I agreed to come as far as I did you know I hate cylo with a burning passion

Pedit
I’ll do it if I have to but I’d still rather not

Pedit
The fuck it is

I have zero reason to kill bell last night and zero reason to off SS N1 the fuck are you on

You're right. You had no reason to kill Bell last night..

And you didn't have reason to kill SS night 1.

Plusjoyed did.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:54 pm

In post 781, April Ludgate wrote:Prism, PlusJoyed, MariaR is my way too early solve. Not even sure if I fully scum read all of them.

In post 785, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 782, Secret Tunnel wrote:I don't think joyed is scum
They come off as scum who’s null or town reading players. I don’t like the way they “like players” but null read “for safety”. It looks like they’re trying to keep a strong political standing while not giving full momentum to certain players, I being one of them. This also makes sense because I was gaining a little momentum earlier

Okay. Neat. Noted.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:03 pm

In post 1915, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 1020, April Ludgate wrote:zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

In post 1022, April Ludgate wrote:The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

In post 1025, April Ludgate wrote:PlusJoyed, lol

In post 1028, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 1020, April Ludgate wrote:zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

In post 1022, April Ludgate wrote:The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

In post 1025, April Ludgate wrote:PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?
PlusJoyed
Remelia
Bell

Zmuffin

Midwaybear
Alisae
The Bulge
Something Smart

Maria

420
Secret Tunnel
Morph

Probably where I’m at, but I understand where I could just be getting paranoid of Morph.

In post 1936, PlusJOYED wrote:i think your pretty off base April. Like it's backwards

And Plus gives Remelia away.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:04 pm

Spoiler:

In post 1071, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 1069, PlusJOYED wrote:I'll come back later I have a killer headache atm. I still wanna look at remilla's iso before the day ends, it's struck me as kind of fluffy
Be careful, I got scolded hard when I tried to say Rem was scummy, then I flipped on them, and they disappeared.

In post 1518, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 1514, Remilia Scarlet wrote:
In post 1508, April Ludgate wrote:PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.
Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

-b
That’s exactly part of it, i don’t know why you’re separating that. They’ve been established in the game as multiple non voters, which is fine, I don’t mind that. I don’t even really participate in RVS anymore, even though I like the analysis of RVS. It establishes the primary gamestate, which is how Morph the Cat became the centerpiece of this game just by posting the most on the early pages alongside having a solid presence throughout the game.

I feel there was also my chapter when I came into the game, also Alisae, so now putting all these chapters per se into one continuous story, we can try to reverse engineer who the scum team is, and predict where they are heading towards based on gamestate.

There lies the need for necessary flips.

In post 1550, April Ludgate wrote:
In post 1546, PlusJOYED wrote:so wait im confused and tired April
you fake TR remilla and SS a while back
remilla didn't do anything and neither did SS
because of that, you actually TR them since they didn't react? So because they didn't question you, they become town to you?
It feels like you're playing with the spotlight effect on yourself to the max; you consider all of your posts to be the centerpiece of this. That could come from town, but seems more likely to come from scum; extremely self aware.
Oh, you guys are on that.

this chapter of the game essentially just made me confident in my reads on Remelia, Bell, and you is all.

Oh, that’s just me as a player. I believe reading the gamestate is a general strength I have, which allows me to gamestate manipulate to the Max as scum, and reverse engineer scum play when I’m town, such as here.

just some quotes I wanted to look at.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:06 pm

Of course. They wanted me back in the game because Remelia died any other way.

There's like an insanely low chance I don't go Remelia here, but I have to do the work.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:08 pm

With any luck, I'd have been out of the game just like Maid was when they came back. I will say, I did not keep up with the game while away, too much. I checked in every now and then.

And my reasoning for town reading ST is there has been multiple things they have said that just doesn't make sense coming from a scum perspective. They wanted me to target them, however they did remove me, so that was possible, I guess. =/

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:09 pm

In post 8152, Secret Tunnel wrote:April I’m saying you need to figure out who is more likely scum between me and maid and commit to a final decision on who hammers

Oh, is that all.

I just want to know know who is scum ya know, before it happens, but yeah, probably Maid does it.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:10 pm

In post 8154, Remilia Scarlet wrote:
In post 8151, April Ludgate wrote:There's like an insanely low chance I don't go Remelia here, but I have to do the work.
you really fucking don't; that's been my point the entire time

I'm just building dramatic tension.

This is a tough one.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:11 pm

VOTE: Remelia

Hammer them, ST

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:12 pm

In post 8157, Remilia Scarlet wrote:can you just be number 2 vote on me and we'll see what happens?

Ninja'd me

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:12 pm

ST, I pick you to hammer.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:13 pm

Final decision. Go

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:14 pm

GG, I'm SK

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:14 pm

In post 8166, Remilia Scarlet wrote:i'm scum of course

I mean, obviously, I was just having fun fucking with ST.

April Ludgate · Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:18 pm

In post 8171, Remilia Scarlet wrote:really did think SS was a weak role N1 and everything kinda went off the rails from there

Yeah, I felt that one.

I feel like you'd have had more of a chance here if you brought Morph into this day. I cleared ST and Maid both off as town a long time ago. I actually was starting to become a little more suspicious of Bell, but you couldn't have known that, and he was good at talking with me.