Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[bob3141]

My typo use to be so bad that it inspired another player to make a typo alt. with the name being typo of his main lol

[TheGoldenParadox]

UNVOTE:

looking through every one of bob's completed games and making a spreadsheet of the word fellow. this is looking damning.

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

looking through every one of bob's completed games and making a spreadsheet of the word fellow. this is looking damning.

you mean me using the word fellow 4 times this game ?

[bob3141]

you do realise username is lying through his teeth and has been added in word present in quotes

[TheGoldenParadox]

oh i absolutely know about that

let me finish looking at all your games though

[Alonzo]

*sigh* imma have to take a look at this game in a bit

I know IV reread your reads posts, I be interested to hear where your heads at now.

[TheGoldenParadox]

i looked at 20 games. 16 town, 4 mafia. Here are the results:

bob has used the word "fellow" at least once in every one of his mafia games, and in exactly three of his town games. in one of his mafia games, he used it twice, and in another game, he used it 11 times.

this is... interesting, to say the least. he's used it four times this game.

game	alignment	"fellow" usage
mini 2071	town	0
large 219	mafia	1
mini 2092	town	0
mini 2102	town	0
mini 2106	mafia	1
mini 2113	town	0
mini 2114	mafia	2
mini 2119	town	0
mini 2121	town	0
mini 2122	town	1
large 223	town	0
mini 2132	town	1
mini 2128	town	1
large 227	town	0
mini 2146	town	0
mini 2157	town	0
large 228	town	0
mini 2153	town	0
mini 2148	mafia	11
mini 2163	town	0

[Noraa]

*sigh* imma have to take a look at this game in a bit

I know IV reread your reads posts, I be interested to hear where your heads at now.

I don't even know rn

[Alonzo]

So why Bob out of nowhere? Especially following a case made by a to SR of yours? @TGP

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

i looked at 20 games. 16 town, 4 mafia. Here are the results:

bob has used the word "fellow" at least once in every one of his mafia games, and in exactly three of his town games. in one of his mafia games, he used it twice, and in another game, he used it 11 times.

this is... interesting, to say the least. he's used it four times this game.

game	alignment	"fellow" usage
mini 2071	town	0
large 219	mafia	1
mini 2092	town	0
mini 2102	town	0
mini 2106	mafia	1
mini 2113	town	0
mini 2114	mafia	2
mini 2119	town	0
mini 2121	town	0
mini 2122	town	1
large 223	town	0
mini 2132	town	1
mini 2128	town	1
large 227	town	0
mini 2146	town	0
mini 2157	town	0
large 228	town	0
mini 2153	town	0
mini 2148	mafia	11
mini 2163	town	0

hm this doesn't look that AI imo

[Noraa]

doesn't look like it shows up that much. looks really inconsistent. sample size too small

[TheGoldenParadox]

So why Bob out of nowhere? Especially following a case made by a to SR of yours? @TGP

because bob is the only one i'm waffling on deciding between putting in the poe pool or not. i think that this is enough evidence before a reread to not give him conftown status.
one second, let me look at game balance again.

[TheGoldenParadox]

would this setup be balanced

ascetic indecisive doctor neighbor
role watcher neighbor
novice 3-shot vigilante
mailman vanilla cop
vt x6

vs

mafia vanilla cop and pt cop (if i understand correctly, the complex modifier gives a distinction between vanilla and non-vanilla roles)
mafia ???
mafia ???

[TheGoldenParadox]

@ico @datisi really need y'all here rn

would that be balanced or would town need a follower hm


anyways i'm 100% confident alonzo is scum here, but i'm going to keep my vote off right now because night actions

[Datisi]

i'm like, reading along, and trying to make sense of what is happening

the response to 3112 would be: i don't think so??? i think the issue there is, you have nice roles of ascetic indecisive doc and 3-shot novice vig. they're gated, but they're still PRs of ~decent strength.

then you have vanillacop/mailman and rolewatcher neighbour, which sound cool, but are like "here's your fun toy, if you manage to get one useful result with it, consider yourself lucky"

like against 3 goons, i could maaaaybe see this setup as being scumsided, but not unpassable. with a scum weird vanilla/TA hybrid flipped, i don't think it's enough?

wdym because of night actions?

[Alonzo]

What do we know about gypx?are they renowned for their balanced setups?

[Alonzo]

Also you forgot town follower from the above list

[Datisi]

gypyx is a first time mod, and this is their own design, so... there's no mod meta there

pedit: p sure he's talking about "if bob is scum" scenario

[Noraa]

Ok so its scumsided asf basically

[Noraa]

I don't think bob is scum tho.

[Alonzo]

Ok so its scumsided asf basically

Even if the vig ends the game by day 4 ?

[Alonzo]

I don't think bob is scum tho.

Tracking/ collating info isn't my strong point, but it looks like no two players have the same two top town and scumreads?

[Datisi]

I don't think bob is scum tho.

yeah, this. i've looked at the fellow thing (i even started making my own spreadsheet before tgp made that fancy table and i gave up) and it seems much more like a one-game anomaly then anything actually AI

[Alonzo]

Plus you've had a wierd Bob town tunnel forever in this one. @noraa

[Gypyx]

Guess what, that's right, boop