Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Alonzo]

Rephrase that, Ico didn't protect them, possibly due to roleblocker

[Alonzo]

Everyone is namedropping dat, no one has any follow through...

[Alonzo]

ICo has varying degrees of equity depending on your stance

[Alonzo]

Iama's townspew has dropped right off

[Alonzo]

ICo self protects , noraa shoots ICO, Bob follows tgp?

[Alonzo]

ICo needs to shit or get off the pot with that SR

[Alonzo]

ICo self protects , noraa shoots ICO, Bob follows tgp?

why would you want me to waste my shot?

You confirm Ico as doc or BP, or scum is forced to RB you to prevent it?

[Alonzo]

There's probably loads of holes in the plan, but I'm trying here!

[Alonzo]

Bulletproof

[Alonzo]

Is there? After today's lim, six players, two have scanned as going nowhere to Bob.

Trying to use all the roles to solve rather than leave it to your gut noraa!

[Alonzo]

On a scale of 1-10 how much did my/icos posts effect your decision last night @noraa? And if not us then who?

[Alonzo]

Is there? After today's lim, six players, two have scanned as going nowhere to Bob.

Trying to use all the roles to solve rather than leave it to your gut noraa!

which two?

Myself and datisi

[Alonzo]

I don't recall bobs n2 results

[Alonzo]

Is there? After today's lim, six players, two have scanned as going nowhere to Bob.

Trying to use all the roles to solve rather than leave it to your gut noraa!

which two?

Assuming 3 scum tho, datisis would have done *something* surely, even as goon/or PR

Myself and datisi

that just means that u and datisi aren't scum prs but either could be goon

[Alonzo]

Sorry, reply within ^^

[Alonzo]

For me to be scum here , this would have to be all pantomime, when really I'm just this bad =)

[Alonzo]

On a scale of 1-10 how much did my/icos posts effect your decision last night @noraa? And if not us then who?

0

Then who did?

[Alonzo]

ICo/?/?/mena

Who were the other two?

Also, this part of your story is questionable as the mod will take the last answer submitted even if you change your mind 100 times...

[Alonzo]

I feel like you didn't read 2029

[Alonzo]

Thing is if you are scum on a gambit now? Then why??

You didn't need to reveal at all amirite?

[Alonzo]

You did what you had to do.

That's what a wolf does.

[Alonzo]

I sincerely cannot see why a scum in my position would reveal rn.

Me either, this is probably why I'm elo bound!

Pedit @tgp, I dig it

[Alonzo]

Basically if noraa is scum here we all got finessed so hard we deserved it? Amirite?

[Alonzo]

Because unless anyone wants to make a big run on their scum! Alonzo/ datisi/ Ico reads, Iaaun is today's hammer.

[Alonzo]

If I have to vig a vt claim today, I really want to vig u

Do it lighthammer.

Bonus point if you spotted the blade 2 reference.

[Alonzo]

I feel like this is town tgp.

[Alonzo]

Are you willing to lose and hold your hands up and say ' damn, scum! Noraa played me like a fiddle' or not @ tho?

[Alonzo]

TGP*

[Alonzo]

lim iaaun, vig alonzo, follow datisi, protect anyone
@ico/noraa/bob/dats we okay with this?

why would I listen to someone that constantly questions my claim?

Just shoot me, then look at those who sat on the fence re alonzo

[Alonzo]

HOW IS NORAA SCUM ALONZO

Noraas iso reads ' stay the fuck out of my way or I shoot you' to me

[Alonzo]

if you agree, shouldn't u tell me to vig him?

No, not at all

These are reaction tests.

[Alonzo]

Golden is flipping around too much. I want to vig this slot if there's no objections

You are asking the roleblocker/ doc there @ noraa

[Alonzo]

The only way you catch scum! TGP is with your pr @ noraa

I don't feel like there's consensus amongst the remaining 7 over any of the scum

[Alonzo]

like 1) why the fuck would a scum come out and be like lel ik there's only been 1 kill every day but u gotta believe I was the vig that killed them
and 2) im "universally TRed" anyways. everyone just thinks im bad town but still town. I dont have to claim to survive the day and thats the only reason I could see scum doing this :/

I believe you

But if you are vig then there is a scum blocker
You need me to be town according to your logic

incorrect. if I'm vig, it actually likely means scum have a doctor

Mic drop*

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE:

[Alonzo]

@ico how the fuck did you and MENA trust each other so little??

[Alonzo]

it doesn't matter who the scum are if we have a townbloc of {ico, noraa, bob, me}

lim iaaun, shoot alonzo, follow datisi, and if we haven't won by that point lim datisi as well.

This is LAMIST from anything other than town! TGP

[Alonzo]

Answer me this @tgp why is Ico town?

Because you don't want a doc mislynch/ vig, or something deeper?

[Alonzo]

Mechanically icos not safe before you hot me with that.

[Alonzo]

Good townplay seems to be the key as it stops the vig shooting you in the face.

[Alonzo]

Everyone's got their quirks.

[Alonzo]

Are we sure there's not more than meets the eye?

Scum had a while or dedicated to neighbourhood identification..

[Alonzo]

Pr*

[Alonzo]

Looking squarely at you two Bob and noraa..

[Alonzo]

Are you in a neighborhood with Bob he asked you not to mention?

[Alonzo]

Good to hear.

I'm recalling noraas staunch defence of you day one when she claimed you hadn't got involved in norraa Vs BM, when literally every post you had made outside RVs mentioned noraa Vs BM specifically

[Alonzo]

im in no neighbourhood

and scum havign pt cop leaves me thinking that ico cant be scum. if ico was scum then scum would already know the neighbourhood. so why have pt cop just for bm role. Over just a straight vannilla cop.

this logic would have been really nice for noraa to have before she shot menal.

.


MENA had it coming

[Alonzo]

You only have one vote from a tr of yours Iaaun, sure you can count yourself safe whilst we debate...

[Alonzo]

We have all week

[Alonzo]

I will join you on your day one reread if we can work together?

[Alonzo]

Noraa, you need to engage each player individually on a 1 Vs 1 basis, and work out a baseline for each before shooting.

Basing it on who has Scumread you will be anti town.

[Alonzo]

Either way, if you shoot someone in the face without explaining exactly your read on everyone, I will join the mob in voting you off.

[Alonzo]

You need to be 101% transparent today, before you pull the trigger, no secret appeal to meta ' I secretly tr my scum reads and vice versa' BS

[Alonzo]

the problem here is that i agree with bob that this setup is already scum sided, and it would be even more so if bob were scum.

do you disagree with that?

with the caveat that i took a six-year break that only ended a few months ago, so i don't know a whole lot about how setups are balanced these days,

if scum have no power besides Traffic Analyst, which i think is extremely mediocre as a scum power, then Vig+Doc+Mailman/Vanilla Cop+Role Watcher seems entirely reasonable to me? two weak investigative roles + one protective role + one shooty shooty role sounds fine as town power?

Bit if you had to cynically off one of them who would it be?

[Alonzo]

Why isn't this scum! Noraa in plain sight?

[Alonzo]

I don't know icos meta but it's only schmedium town RN...

[Alonzo]

Cos meta? Cos of how they handled their reveal? Cost of post #s X,y and z?

[Alonzo]

What's a town triangle??

[Alonzo]

[Alonzo]

I'm ready to prove myself sensei.

[Alonzo]

Nobody's really sure on the body count at this point

[Alonzo]

Are we ready to collate our reads?

[Alonzo]

I got nothing but love in my heart brother

[Alonzo]

if mafia block the vig shot either through a roleblocker or doctor (which it doesn't seem they have, due to setup) then we simply exe alonzo tomorrow.

Define simply?

[Alonzo]

Not to mention my hammer on page 85 of day one which stank of towny' cheese.

[Alonzo]

golden is cleared town

Neighbourhood with TGP?

[Alonzo]

Gotya

[Alonzo]

Bob what was your n2 result plz?

[Alonzo]

Only slightly better than a scum tracker?

[Alonzo]

im not shooting alonzo. I'm shooting datisi

Chicken?

[Alonzo]

It doesn't appear tgp is actually reading my posts, looks closer you will see I'm reaffirming those soft town clears. Numpty.

[Alonzo]

I just wonder why no follow up from scum on TGP in the knowledge of icos protect order?

ICo has varying degrees of equity depending on your stance

tries to put ico back into the scumpool

ICo self protects , noraa shoots ICO, Bob follows tgp?

proposes a plan in full knowledge of a scum roleblocker that would massively backfire if scum just roleblocker ico

Are you willing to lose and hold your hands up and say ' damn, scum! Noraa played me like a fiddle' or not @ tho?

HOW IS NORAA SCUM ALONZO

Noraas iso reads ' stay the fuck out of my way or I shoot you' to me

tries to put noraa back into the limpool

Answer me this @tgp why is Ico town?

Because you don't want a doc mislynch/ vig, or something deeper?

Mechanically icos not safe before you hot me with that.

desperately tries, after it is been very clearly established that ico is town, to get ico back into poe

alonzo is seeming very antitown here

Icos maybe town, but he's playing like not maf if not maf didn't pick up his prods.
Mechanically he's safe. Lucky him.

I already stated I'm in noraas pocket , the post you referenced is me stating my belief that noraas iso could well be that of a three shot vig.

[Alonzo]

Alonzo why you keep saying I have you in my pocket?
1) I have done nothing to pocket anyone
2) low-key shade bruh

What's the expression for ' I believe you, and have total faith in you' if not ' pocketed'?

[Alonzo]

I might vote tgp. Watch this space.

[Alonzo]

better lim today.

Better to hit scum today so noraa can take a shot.

[Alonzo]

This won't end how you think it will @TGP

[Alonzo]

Alonzo- doesn't know who scum is.

TGP - must be Alonzo.

Noraa- TGP is 100% town here

TGP- " crickets"

Scum team- Iaaun/ TGP rn

[Alonzo]

No way. Do me next!

[Alonzo]

*sigh* imma have to take a look at this game in a bit

I know IV reread your reads posts, I be interested to hear where your heads at now.

[Alonzo]

So why Bob out of nowhere? Especially following a case made by a to SR of yours? @TGP

[Alonzo]

What do we know about gypx?are they renowned for their balanced setups?

[Alonzo]

Also you forgot town follower from the above list

[Alonzo]

Ok so its scumsided asf basically

Even if the vig ends the game by day 4 ?

[Alonzo]

I don't think bob is scum tho.

Tracking/ collating info isn't my strong point, but it looks like no two players have the same two top town and scumreads?

[Alonzo]

Plus you've had a wierd Bob town tunnel forever in this one. @noraa

[Alonzo]

@ GYPYX

How's that Ico prod doing?

[Alonzo]

Roger.

[Alonzo]

I mean, you're persistent @TGP.

I have to assume your partner is in Bob / Iaaun. Given how scatty you've been in the last 48 hours...

[Alonzo]

85 pages was plenty for day one.

No good ballaching about shoulda/coulda/ woulda

[Alonzo]

(before Ico gets here and tells you you've all been very naughty)

[Alonzo]

Or maybe you already know icos down to clown?

[Alonzo]

Assumption!!!!!

Love it.

[Alonzo]

Careful what you wish for my British chum.

[Alonzo]

Self meta dive- I'm a hyperparanoid townie, with poor mechanical solve.

Just wanna put that out there, and I insist you dive it to confirm.

[Alonzo]

I got alot on my plate.

ICo and MENA being open about their neighbourhood day one. Class.
Noraa Vs BM d1
BM Vs Taylor d2
Noraa Vs BM Vs MENA behind the scenes.
*Balance*
*Wifom*

*Fellow town*

Do I sound paranoid?

[Alonzo]

ugh, i think i actually prefer username to alonzo here??

i looked over his VCA and i feel like i'm getting shivers down my spine. i don't know how i feel about the fact he's spent time on the day three basically saying i ~have~ to be scum from his pov (2518) (though without decent explanation) and now has reversed on that because of... VCA?

i dunno. i dislike the way he went after teacher on day three but then just ~backed off~ for ~reasons~. maybe it's unfortunate timing of me arguing why me(username don't make sense as s/s and then for him to jump out saying he doesn't think i'm scum anymore. like makes my gut feel he's lowkey trying to tie me to himself.

can you talk about your read on me this game? like what made you So Sure i was scum on day three?

If I went teacher initially it would have been after doing Isos, if I came off I prob didn't want to waste time on an absentee, when I want to get around half a dozen other slots and get some reactions.
I declared my scumread on the replacement immediately.

[Alonzo]

Fuck me sorry, I was on and off teacher I thought u asked me!

[Alonzo]

I also skimread. Alot.

[Alonzo]

The hyperparanoid 101 is...

Odd night neighbourhood detection officer is weak in a setup with only one neighbourhood, but strong in a setup with a s Vs t neighbourhood.

[Alonzo]

Unless it virtually conftowned! Mafia

[Alonzo]

A goon who's only use is to generate wifom..

Matey literally made no effort to hide his scumminess, like he was to be the Lim by design

[Alonzo]

Bobs whole stance on BM is so convuluted and in direct opposition to mine, he wants to use meta? And mech solve to prove BMs alignment.
This seems dumb to come out here and do as scum.
Anyone any thoughts?

[Alonzo]

alonzo, are you informed by any chance?

No.

[Alonzo]

Just suspicious.

[Alonzo]

Get your vig head on and get in the game @noraa

[Alonzo]

Just reread a spicy bunno iso and a boring Ico iso.

ICo iso so boring. Me sleepy.

[Alonzo]

Ugh it's night two, town cop claimed. Must protect tgp.

[Alonzo]

a town cop

whose guilty flipped green

, remember?

there is no way scum would kill bm n2. none. zero.

Right but for scums first kill they chose bunno, and bunno was clearly capable of pulling some 4d chess moves.

[Alonzo]

a town cop

whose guilty flipped green

, remember?

there is no way scum would kill bm n2. none. zero.

Why not? They shot vt over doc claim? They're not too bright

[Alonzo]

They shot you (allegedly) XD.

Obviously didn't realise you'd be out here voting townies on the thinnest evidence possible, then trying to pass it off as poe

[Alonzo]

a town cop

whose guilty flipped green

, remember?

there is no way scum would kill bm n2. none. zero.

Ok so please take a swing at my earlier question about how scum! Bob thinks he can prove BM town here or die trying also

[Alonzo]

i don't know if you don't know or are just trying to fake not knowing as a "townslip", but the claim was d3. we quicklimmed d2, remember?

?? #3173 raises lots of questions, and this is the answer to none of them.

[Alonzo]

Some of Alonzo's recent posts have been a bit .... scummy

What's that as a percentage of my total posts?

[Alonzo]

Wow looking at these posts at least I'm not the only one who can't solve for shit!

[Alonzo]

Willing to die ?

So vote..

[Alonzo]

I got noraa and TGP town on reads, and myself, however tgp seems determined to sway noraa into voting me so ...

I can't disprove any theories that involve IAA/dat as scum.

I don't entirely trust the setup, a power role could be bluffing I feel.

Basically it's options open, but you know- in the towny' way

[Alonzo]

I don't think I'm good enough at mafia, let alone after a year off to ever be more than a null read to tgp here

[Alonzo]

VOTE: iamausername

highly suggest shooting alonzo

This pretty much brings me round to my thinking at the start of day, I'd much rather noraa dealt with me if I step out of line, than the mob.

[Alonzo]

Your not guaranteed to die, it's likely scum will leave the inexperienced solvers alive. @noraa

[Alonzo]

So dat/tgp then?

Unless we think scum! Noraa stayed off wagon?

[Alonzo]

@bob

Your result?

[Alonzo]

Gonna let tgp hammer your other TR @noraa?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Bob

[Alonzo]

Lies lies lies

[Alonzo]

I'm at work RN , and town, so dead Alonzo = scum win.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Bob

I get the feeling noraa Vs BM continuing benefits Bob, I don't interpret his posting as him truly trying to guide noraa there.

How do you feel about Bob @noraa?

Your ott defense of Bob started day one iirc, take a look...

[Alonzo]

Ok well, at least 2 of noraa /tgp/ datisi need to go back and reread...

[Alonzo]

TGP, talk to me about quick moving votes, I see I wasn't the only towny' to find this scummy..

[Alonzo]

Lol. Just another towny' faking guilties huh?

[Alonzo]

Datisi, talk me through the swagger you had in rvs

[Alonzo]

Ok well, at least 2 of noraa /tgp/ datisi need to go back and reread...

what is there to reread. noraa is the town vig. tgp got shot and healed on night two. like the only alternative here is that scum randomly decided to no-kill there and that happens pretty rarely. like i don't see how noraa/tgp aren't practically conftown here.

Datisi, talk me through the swagger you had in rvs

the what? shitposting?

You really can't think of a reason for town !me to be hating on all the powerroles/ psuedos?

[Alonzo]

nice scum theatre

Actually it's a horrid town pantomime...

[Alonzo]

But you're right, I like to keep my t/s meta tighter than a mouse's earhole.

You saw #2029 right?

[Alonzo]

alonzo who's the scumteam from your pov

Still rereading, I feel like noraas always had blind faith in Bob, but from what iv seen he could have been pocketing you both with his stance ( or defending his buddy you?). Jury's out.

Datisi remains an anomaly. For along time it's been "one of iaama/ Alonzo/ dat" now we have one flip there and I know I'm town, I feel like he deserves more scrutiny. I had a back and fourth with iaaama about dat, and his recent posts about me playing 5d chess seem faked.

[Alonzo]

We kill alonzo. I vig datisi. If we lose the game, u can blame me later.

No thanks. If you're shooting anyone it's me.

Bob is today's lim. It's a 1 Vs 1.

[Alonzo]

We kill alonzo. I vig datisi. If we lose the game, u can blame me later.

If you are actually town noraa please pretty please tell us your reads with workings out

[Alonzo]

btw what's a traitor?

A traitor is a mafia player that is recruited into scumchat when they are targeted by a scum night kill.

[Alonzo]

You really can't think of a reason for town !me to be hating on all the powerroles/ psuedos?

...no?

Are you rereading?

[Alonzo]

As an aside I have townread both you TGP and Noraa independently here,
Never had TRs on the other two ( that I can recall) definitely nothing sustained.

[Alonzo]

Was I? L2 I thought

[Alonzo]

L1 non?

[Alonzo]

Don't do it noraa

[Alonzo]

Datisi if you are town here and you believe noraa is tgp just scum slipped?

[Alonzo]

TGP why have you dodged all my questions these last few days?

[Alonzo]

what were you, alonzo?

This is a faked townslip.

[Alonzo]

Alonzo that was the best fucking save I've ever fucking seen

Good job you didn't shoot me when I asked!

[Alonzo]

[youtube]https://E9EVR7j9_fw[/youtube]

Scenes @tgp

[Alonzo]

[Alonzo]

copping the bp/venge and everything that resulted from it was. brutal.

mod, completely unironically, thank you for the game. while there are obvious... problems i had with the setup, i liked it overall and (with a ~little bit~ less town power) would easily play in a game of yours again. also the flavour was super fun.

thanks to my teammates, gg to town.

also i felt inspired to open video editing software for the first time in over a year and make this garbage. idk.

Nice!

[Alonzo]

Really good game, well played everyone, look forwards to playing you all again.
Thanks Gypyx.

[Alonzo]

I wasn't actually furious @BM I was trying stay alive!