Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

[ManWithNoName]

Yo what up? VOTE: Almost50

[ManWithNoName]

Mod confirmed scum for not being bolded correctly

[ManWithNoName]

Or I only noticed it after posting an RVS vote against Mr A50 who I usually prioritize for my RVS vote.

And then I made a joke at the mod's expense. Because the mod made a mistake and I will not just let it go

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: MiniVirgo

I played JV twice, and they were scum both times. This hydra is obviously an attempt to channel the funding for their terrorist organization without being detected by the IRS.

Is this the Irish IRS or the American IRS?

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: MiniVirgo

I played JV twice, and they were scum both times. This hydra is obviously an attempt to channel the funding for their terrorist organization without being detected by the IRS.

Is this the Irish IRS or the American IRS?

To my knowledge. the Irish is IRA

How dare you know something that I'm wrong about!

[ManWithNoName]

Hello students, I'm your Professor of Mafia.

Step 1: Random Voting Stage: VOTE: Sando

In my opinion, not much to be gained from any of this. All the voting mod nonsense is anti-town.

I haven't ever played this setup (it's a mutantdevle one though so probably has some deeper gimmick)
+1 to hypoclaiming though.

I hate your gimmick.

[ManWithNoName]

Can we please get Johnny Farrar to E-1 so I can hammer?

Who is Johnny Farrar?

[ManWithNoName]

Also, what is Johnny Farrar? Why is Johnny Farrar?

N_M, just lay on me all the whos whats wheres whys and hows of Johnny Farrar.

[ManWithNoName]

so are u townreading the mod?

I lol'd.

Sup people, first game in a few years, I promise to be more chill than before I left.

VOTE: Sesq

Sando has requested replacement.

I like this more chill Sando.

[ManWithNoName]

Hypo claiming is where you claim that you're going to get sick because you can just feel it and you definitely need to go get a test because you probably have cancer.

[ManWithNoName]

that said, I do agree with him that manwithnoname's over-explaination in RVS is scummy, since he then proceeds to not contribute anything valuable afterwards

I just like to have fun, scum.

VOTE: yessiree

Let me explain this vote to be because you aren't allowing me to have fun.

[ManWithNoName]

Actually, I found the full scum team.

Spoiler:

[ManWithNoName]

You just remove the muffler and put in some nitro boosters.... Oh, sorry, you caught me in some mech talk.

[ManWithNoName]

nice fake mech talk u dirty scum

I don't know if my car has an engine.

[ManWithNoName]

Actually, I found the full scum team.

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure the scumteam is this actually

Spoiler:

Are you sure it's not this one?

Spoiler:

[ManWithNoName]

Man, you guys need to join the N_M/MWNN game. We're currently winning.

[ManWithNoName]

I cede the floor to N_M, who is the superior Smash Mouther.

[ManWithNoName]

I feel like hypochondriac claiming should be limited to bus driving claims.

[ManWithNoName]

One of these days it'll be true and you'll all look like fools

No, you'll look like the fool that day.

[ManWithNoName]

When did you mean Scum BD? You have said town BD like 3 times?

[ManWithNoName]

How dare you know something that I'm wrong about!

Just because I'm a monkey doesn't mean I'm clueless. I have much more knowledge than your do. I even know YOUR NAME!

Forgot to reply to this. You know a name.

[ManWithNoName]

dont think anyone can read N_M here, but he will sort himself out with time

I can

still waiting for more people to settle in, I'm expecting great things from A50

Why me?

Spoiler: The one I was looking for :cop:

Spoiler: The one people most think of :nerd:

Spoiler: The one Google suggested!! :?

A50 joins the fray.

[ManWithNoName]

Actually, I found the full scum team.

Spoiler:

Only ONE MONKEY is in this game. Go find your own game, pal.

The Kongs are apes, not monkeys.

[ManWithNoName]

Has this set up really never been played before?

I just joined because I mistakenly thought that all the players were bus drivers. But, no, just has to be one driver with a bunch of backups, so, not nearly as chaotic as I had hoped. Stupid reading gets in my way once again.

[ManWithNoName]

All hail the town BD!

[ManWithNoName]

A50, am I crazy to think both Big Elephant and Prof Mafia ping me?

[ManWithNoName]

I am not even "scum" hunting at this time. I am more "town" hunting and will ry to solve via PoE. Neither Elephant nor Prof made it to my TRs list, so I guess you're entitled to SR them both.

Well you are my sanity check in this game

[ManWithNoName]

Why Elephant?

Something about Elephant's reads just ping me the wrong way, I guess the best way to describe it is that it seems pocket.

I have a hard time expressing sometimes when I'm seeing something that pings me, to be honest. It's one of the few weaknesses in my game.

Otherwise I'm a perfect player and if anyone else tells you otherwise, they're obvscum

[ManWithNoName]

Briefly in one game where she replaced into a slot I had as a Scum read. I was wrong on that slot tbh.

[ManWithNoName]

A50 not being on topic is not scum indicative. Dude likes to party.

[ManWithNoName]

Love JV

Whoa, we just met, my man.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Prof Mafia

I think this is where I want to be for the time being.

[ManWithNoName]

nahhhhh im more confident as town now because my accuracy in reads is actually improving

overjustification is a scumtell
-S

gonna change themes

this is my only account where I use MafSepia.

[ManWithNoName]

Votecount 1.01

Vote Count

Big Elephant [2]:

MiniVirgo, Professor Mafia

JohnnyFarrar [2]:

derp, Big Elephant

Almost50 [2]:

Sesq, yessiree

Sesq [1]:

Sando

MiniVirgo [1]:

Almost50

Not_Mafia [1]:

Not_Mafia

Professor Mafia [1]:

JohnnyFarrar

yessiree [1]:

ManWithNoName

Sando [0]:

ManWithNoName [0]:

arachnidsGrip [0]:

wiyvern [0]:

dong [0]:

Not Voting [2]:

arachnidsGrip, wiyvern

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 players to eliminate someone.

Day 1 deadline is paused until all players confirm. arachnidsGrip has (expired on 2020-10-20 14:00:00) to confirm before I search for a replacement for them. Searching for replacements for Sando and Sesq.

That's THREE absent slots in a bloody mini!

4, wiyvern has not posted.

@mod surely, by now there needs to be some sort of action for wiyvern

I assume dong is supposed to be derp, but I have seen nothing from any dong.

[ManWithNoName]

Votecount 1.01

Vote Count

Big Elephant [2]:

MiniVirgo, Professor Mafia

JohnnyFarrar [2]:

derp, Big Elephant

Almost50 [2]:

Sesq, yessiree

Sesq [1]:

Sando

MiniVirgo [1]:

Almost50

Not_Mafia [1]:

Not_Mafia

Professor Mafia [1]:

JohnnyFarrar

yessiree [1]:

ManWithNoName

Sando [0]:

ManWithNoName [0]:

arachnidsGrip [0]:

wiyvern [0]:

dong [0]:

Not Voting [2]:

arachnidsGrip, wiyvern

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 players to eliminate someone.

Day 1 deadline is paused until all players confirm. arachnidsGrip has (expired on 2020-10-20 14:00:00) to confirm before I search for a replacement for them. Searching for replacements for Sando and Sesq.

That's THREE absent slots in a bloody mini!

4, wiyvern has not posted.

@mod surely, by now there needs to be some sort of action for wiyvern

I assume dong is supposed to be derp, but I have seen nothing from any dong.

[ManWithNoName]

oops, double post.

[ManWithNoName]

Hmmmm...

You, me, high noon!

[ManWithNoName]

Spoiler: The real scum

[ManWithNoName]

You know this is like grade school where you need to show your work.

[ManWithNoName]

Like, how can you possibly use a full 50+ posts to change your mind?

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Prof Mafia

I think this is where I want to be for the time being.

Get back on the elephant, Mr. Eastwood! NOW, please.

I was never on the elephant. But, I'm considering it.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Big Elephant

The more I look at it, the less I like that read list to be from town, actually.

[ManWithNoName]

so guess what
its page 10
it's readslist time (this is ordered btw town -> scum)

TOWN PARADISE
MiniVirgo
yessiree
Not_Mafia
ManWithNoName
derp
TBD
Sando
Sesq
Almost50
arachnidsGrip
wiyvern
SCUM ZONE
Professor Mafia
JohnnyFarrar

@MWNN: You mean thus readlist where they claim I am their 5th scum read (of only 3 Scum) and yet are making their sole job of the day to yell at people arguing I might not be scum?? Sure looks like I should be their strongest SR (or I'd hate to see what happens to someone who is more SR'd by them than I am)

Yeah, I mean, the TBD is you and everyone who hasn't posted, I don't like it.

[ManWithNoName]

Also, why have we only heard from one head on two hydras?

This is weird.

[ManWithNoName]

To me it looks like there's an attempt to look busy.

[ManWithNoName]

its possible but i just dont see why scum would feel the need to do it either but it could be the large mammal is just trying a bit too hard to project town

And trying too hard to project as town is a scum move. Isn't that pretty much what they've been saying with overexplaining?

[ManWithNoName]

[ManWithNoName]

You can still shitpost for fun.

[ManWithNoName]

Big Bird?

Spoiler:

[ManWithNoName]

derp, do you have anything of note to actually say?

[ManWithNoName]

All of a sudden everyone went from being solid town to scum, it seems, from Dumbo.

Ugh, bad.

[ManWithNoName]

N_M come back! Entertain me.

[ManWithNoName]

Actually,

[ManWithNoName]

derp, do you have anything of note to actually say?

define "of note"

about the gamestate.

[ManWithNoName]

Is there really a negative to getting rid of a person who is admitting to doing OMGUS, early on, though?

Day 1 reads are generally just... less than accurate. I don't see a net negative with that, though, either we are hitting scum, or we are hitting town that's going to play anti-town when we have the most miseliminations available.

I may have railed against policy eliminations in my younger years, but, let's face it, I'm a shitty player anyway so I was probably wrong.

[ManWithNoName]

- OMGUS = towntell for me, because I am self-aware as scum

[ManWithNoName]

So, either you OMGUS and you are town, which is bad, or you don't and you're scum, which is also bad.

[ManWithNoName]

So, either you OMGUS and you are town, which is bad, or you don't and you're scum, which is also bad.

Yes, this hockey players hitting a game winning field goal is right.

[ManWithNoName]

Also, VOTE: piisirrational - don't like the IIoA approach he's taking this game with all of the votecounts.

UGH

[ManWithNoName]

I could go for derp...

[ManWithNoName]

When did you realize this?

Before that post, but after I /inned...

[ManWithNoName]

I don't remember exactly when I figured it out.

[ManWithNoName]

Maybe when I got my role PM? Maybe before that?

Definitely not when I read it originally to see if I wanted to sign up.

[ManWithNoName]

I mean, don't get me wrong, this isn't the chaotic game I wanted to play in, but I don't rep out just because a fun game is not chaotic enough.

[ManWithNoName]

Subject: [Setup] Bus Service

Starting with scum strats:

Variable definitions:

n= # living players
x= # living scum

Spoiler: Strongman only

Scum swaps two town players. Shoots one to kill the other.

Percentage chance bus driver redirects kill to town: 2(n-x)/(n^2-n)
Percentage chance bus driver redirects kill to scum: 2x/(n^2-n)
Cop survival if unclaimed: (n-1)/n

Cop results always trustworthy.
If redirect successful, +1 conftown.
If redirect onto scum, +1 conftown, -1 scum.

Spoiler: Investigation Confusion only

Scum swaps scum and town and shoots their target directly.

Percentage chance bus driver redirects kill to town: 2(n-x)/(n^2-n)
Percentage chance bus driver redirects kill to scum: 2x/(n^2-n)
Percentage chance cop False Innocents: 1/n.
Percentage chance cop False Guilties: 1/n.

Diminishing return on cop results.
If redirect successful, +1 conftown.
If redirect onto scum, +1 conftown, -1 scum.

Spoiler: Both

Scum swaps scum and town, nightkills scum swap.

Percentage chance bus driver redirects kill to town: 2(n-x)/(n^2-n)
Percentage chance bus driver redirects kill to scum: 2x/(n^2-n)
Percentage chance cop False Innocents: 1/n
Percentage chance cop False Guilties: 0.
Percentage of Innocent results that are False: 1/(n-x)
Percentage of Guilty results that are False: 1/x

Diminishing return on cop innocents.
If redirect successful, +1 conftown -1 scum.
If redirect unsuccessful, +1 conftown -2 scum.

Cop claimed: Scum tries to kill cop, Busdriver can't generate additional innocents.
Busdriver claimed: Scum tries to kill Busdriver, Busdriver can't generate additional innocents.
Both claimed: Scum tries to kill Cop, Busdriver can't generate additional innocents.

Chance of successful protection:

n % To Scum To Town
4 67 17 50
5 50 10 40
6 40 7 33
7 33 5 29
8 28 4 25
9 25 3 22
10 22 2 20
11 20 2 18
12 18 2 17

Hypoclaim chance to out either PR without the other being outed is negligible.
Hypoclaim chance to out Bus Driver with the cop being outed doesn't matter, as the cop is the priority kill for scum.
Hypoclaim chance to out as not cop with Bus Driver claimed: 50% per individual per day.

Hypoclaim unlikely to get cop killed any earlier than not hypoclaiming, therefore all players should hypoclaim both cop and redirections.

Claims should happen on run up or on the day before LYLO.

My only concern with the setup now is that it looks like a win more setup (If mafia is winning, they're likely to continue winning, but if they lose one player their odds decrease dramatically.) Otherwise, this looks balanced.

I'm not gonna bother writing a program for expected win rates, because there's too many subjective values for them to actually mean anything important.

Can we get like a summary of this for the more dumb of us? Asking for a friend.

[ManWithNoName]

I'm all caught up. shelly is probtown, although I can see why MiniVirgo is seeing elements of her scum play. The confident solve in particular is one of the things that's a little iffy.
shelly, where did you get this sudden surge of confidence in your reads? In other town games, you're more hesitant and aware that you could be wrong.

VOTE: Bus Service

Too confusing a name to keep around

So is yours. How'd you get an underscore in your name?

Shift+-

[ManWithNoName]

@Man who is totally not a horse in disguise: If I wanted to read one slot for content, which slot would be the most important to get a feel for the game?

I'm also not a horse wizard, for the record.

I guess I'd have to say MiniVirgo. Unless you want top tier entertainment, I have been providing that. (The claim of top tier is subjective and not an assurance of any kind) I have posted a bit about the game.

[ManWithNoName]

Can we get like a summary of this for the more dumb of us?

Asking for a friend

.

Are you calling ME dumb??

No... I don't have friends, I just wanted to seem cool.

[ManWithNoName]

Did everyone other than me, A50 and N_M just create a dumb alt for this game?

[ManWithNoName]

dear derp still believes this is likely to be scum hectic but dear derp is now also good with yeeting shelly for betraying my trust

so you SR everyone that SRs you

this, my friend, is truly omgus.

Only two of us said we would be willing to go derp and he has not leveled a Scum read on us?

[ManWithNoName]

Is Prof Mafia getting prodded or anything?

[ManWithNoName]

Yo, I voted for America today, took 5 hours. We should all just vote in less than 5 hours.

VOTE: derp

This is the one time where voting red is acceptable

[ManWithNoName]

Inno A50
Drive MiniVirgo and shellyc

[ManWithNoName]

This speed wagon right on day-start I do not like

What speed wagon? It's only 2 votes!!

Also, I thought we were going to do the thing I didn't agree to do, so if we're doing it this is me doing it, and if not then this is a half-arsed attempt to troll.

Spoiler: If I was the Cop

I checked yessiree and he is Town

Spoiler: If I was the Busdriver

I switched myself with MWNN

Spoiler: If I was your girlfriend

Spoiler: Two of us on the bus?

[ManWithNoName]

NKA makes me fairly confident in Shelly town for today.

What about it?

[ManWithNoName]

I just realized that I might be McCree.

[ManWithNoName]

Who do we send to the taxi line, Bingle my fingle?

[ManWithNoName]

Cop green on A50.

I'm most interested in poking Johnny, A50 and ProfMaf atm.

Can you b a bit more obvious about NOT being the Cop? I mean, you could put it in your signature or write it on your avatar for people to notice!

But, even if he is cop, he can't necessarily trust his own greens. There are two drives. One of which will not even be hypoclaimed.

[ManWithNoName]

I guess we can say there's a hard drive and a soft drive? Eh?

Eh?

Is a soft drive a thing?

[ManWithNoName]

Let's not PL N_M right now.

[ManWithNoName]

Let's not PL N_M right now.

Why not? When does it happen then?

I've always been of the opinion that you policy the Miltank when you have no strong suspicions elsewhere. If you do have a reasonable scumread, you should launch there rather than take the policy launch.

I still have no way of reading him, so he's just a random 1/4 every time for me.

I haven't caught up yet, but I want to look at Johnny, and also want to look at yessire's reads, and whether he did anything that would make scum assume he was a PR - in which case we give the reads less consideration.

Day 1. And since there's no time machine, just busses.

A bus time machine would be ridiculous. You can use a hot tub, or a Delorean, but not a bus.

[ManWithNoName]

Day 2

- 3v8.

Day 3

- 3v6

Day 5

- 3v4, lylo

If we don't lynch scum, we have literally today or tomorrow to yeet N_M.

- JV

Fine, math proves me wrong again. The eternal enemy of a lawyer.

[ManWithNoName]

Gotta have dinner, be back after

How dare you.

[ManWithNoName]

How does everyone feel about hypclaiming the dead one as green? We have two slots that I have done that, if I recall correctly.

It could be more, because I sure as hell am not bothering to check.

[ManWithNoName]

MWNN what do you think about the elbirn slot rn

Uninspiring. Could be hiding scum.

I just don't remember Elbirn being particularly inspiring in past games, but I have to check because I might be thinking of a different player.

That being said, I kind of remember him being pretty solid as scum if it's the same person I am thinking of in Civilization V mafia. So, it's kind of a wash in terms of whether the uninspiring nature is a scum or town indicative for Elbirn. Also, that must have been something like two years ago, so play could certainly change since then.

I'm sticking with uninspiring. But, not really to the point where I want to eliminate there.

[ManWithNoName]

I feel like my town block of Minivirgo, Bingle and A50 is pretty good.

A50 might be my most controversial option there, but, I keep seeing games where people think he's scum and I don't see it, and then I'm right, like in the aforementioned Civilization V mafia.

[ManWithNoName]

Nandor can be town, too.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Johnny

Yeah, this feels right.

[ManWithNoName]

And right after I do it, a scum post.

[ManWithNoName]

The lack of desire from people to go Elbirn despite the fact he hasn't done enough to warrant being ignored makes me feel uneasy.

I don't know, it has been a few months since he played, it seems, I feel like when I came back from a hiatus, I was the same way...

I wouldn't be against it, but, I'm less confident on the slot.

On the one hand, I don't like that he doesn't have one solid read from what I see.

On the other hand, if his last game was in July, is it really scum indicative?

[ManWithNoName]

The lack of desire from people to go Elbirn despite the fact he hasn't done enough to warrant being ignored makes me feel uneasy.

I don't know, it has been a few months since he played, it seems, I feel like when I came back from a hiatus, I was the same way...

I wouldn't be against it, but, I'm less confident on the slot.

On the one hand, I don't like that he doesn't have one solid read from what I see.

On the other hand, if his last game was in July, is it really scum indicative?

Yeah, guess I should be factoring in his hiatus so the lack of engagement is less AI.

Still want to hear some actual reads from him though.

Hard agree, this is by no means me saying he's town.

[ManWithNoName]

Bus Drive: Nandor the Relentless -> Myself
Cop: Shellyc

Going back, you didn't hypoclaim result on the cop here.

[ManWithNoName]

Reviewing once more, we don't have hypoclaims from Elbirn or from ProfMafia.

I am assuming that N_M saying he's not hypoclaiming seems indicative of I'm not going to bother listing that in my list.

[ManWithNoName]

This cop shit makes me so nervous. I also saw that but figured I wouldn't call attention to it because what if they're the cop? They're clearly not pushing Shelly so obvi not a red result right? What is to be gained from pointing this out?

If we are hypoclaiming, what's the point of a claim without a result?

[ManWithNoName]

lol look at the interests

and people are saying

I'm

the Hectic alt

Wait, didn't you say you were a hectic alt?

[ManWithNoName]

I don't care if he's Hectic or not, I just prefer to know if I'm being lied to.

[ManWithNoName]

I could lie about who I'm an alt of. But everyone knows I'm secretly an alt of Almost49, the prequel to Almost50

[ManWithNoName]

Why you team pirate and not team wizard, Bingle?

[ManWithNoName]

I do need to come to my sense, as I have been out riding fences for so long now.

[ManWithNoName]

I do need to come to my senses, as I have been out riding fences for so long now.

Typo messed up my A+ joke.

[ManWithNoName]

Scum can't effort.

[ManWithNoName]

Scum can't effort.

What's this regarding?

- JV

I'm interested in what you found when this game is over still, Frop

Also actually digging into my ancient meta seems town to me.

[ManWithNoName]

@mod I would like to be VLA until Monday, please

Not definitely not posting this weekend, but, it's entirely possible I do not post again until I'm back at the office on Monday morning.

[ManWithNoName]

I'm still on Johnny Mnemonic

[ManWithNoName]

I think

[ManWithNoName]

I kind of don't like Prof Mafia's intent, but at the same time still don't like Johnny slot.

UNVOTE:

Get off my lawn.

[ManWithNoName]

Spoiler: Forgot this very important bit

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: ProfessorMafia

It's a good one I think

[ManWithNoName]

Counterclaiming, he's scum.

That's why I didn't realize there were not multiple bus drivers. I thought it was the standard town PM.

[ManWithNoName]

Like, it's no huge loss if I get replaced. I switched Shelly and MV, someone will come in and take my place.

Town is legion here.

[ManWithNoName]

I am not telling them what I'm doing tonight.

GOOD DAY, SIR!

[ManWithNoName]

Very important addition to the conversation.

[ManWithNoName]

If someone can do art of me driving over Prof Mafia in a bus, I would greatly appreciate it.

I don't do arts.

[ManWithNoName]

I'm crying now. My keyboard is wet.

[ManWithNoName]

People in the office are looking all weird at me, though I did show up today with two big bags of candy that I just threw onto a table and left.

[ManWithNoName]

I wish other people could post as fast as I can about my totally real life and just vote onto the scum slot.

[ManWithNoName]

Now is the chance to yeet NM, we’re not limming that without a cc. Cc’ing here is no problem as we have have backups.

Scum would claim Cop.

- JV

Yeah, this was a real dumb as hell claim.

[ManWithNoName]

We are at L-3. Leggo 3 votes, people!

[ManWithNoName]

UNVOTE:

I'm always the hammer

Just so that no one accidentally takes your hammer, we're still at E-3. We need 2 votes and N_M hammer.

[ManWithNoName]

Alright so here’s the deal. I was thinking that if a Cop claims, and they’re not the real Cop. Don’t counterclaim them, as that would just bout the Cop. Instead, just lynch them or not depending on how scummy they are. The Cop is dead anyway no matter if they claim on L-1 or counterclaiming.

Thoughts?

- JV

Incorrect, if cop is outed, then the bus driver is still always going to be there.

[ManWithNoName]

This is also Day 2.

[ManWithNoName]

You didn't realize there were not multiple bus drivers? Ironic for me to say considering I generally don't read setup but like it do be open setup :/

I legitimately signed up because I thought there were like 9 bus drivers and that's absolute madness at night. I was wrong but only realized it midway through Day 1 when I reread the set up.

[ManWithNoName]

MWNN has obviously been the busdriver since early D1.

Not sure when I hinted it other than accidentally almost outing myself to Nandor.

[ManWithNoName]

Okay, yeah... That also means Bingle is almost definitely not a scum (Something I already knew), since he would have just told the scum partner not to claim Bus Driver since they don't need me to CC if they already knew I slipped it.

[ManWithNoName]

Right. Nandor. Nandor was the one that brought up that post, and is thus probably town because scum Nandor would already have the suspicion of who was bus driver and would likely have shared that suspicion in the scumthread, further incentivizing a cop over BD claim.

Hard agree.

[ManWithNoName]

What slot did Swizzle replace into?

[ManWithNoName]

Prof Mafia/Swizzle/Johnny... Is the solve really that easy?

[ManWithNoName]

But since MWNN is a universal townread, I say we just yeet him to the sun and worry about stuff later. Even if he is the bus driver, we got backups AND we have a caught scum MWNN in that case.

I misread this line, but, still. Why no vote back?

[ManWithNoName]

Okay, yeah. At my very best, I usually have 2/3 tops on day 2. I'd say at least one of the other two have a decent probability of being wrong, just by my own record.

[ManWithNoName]

Absolutely.

[ManWithNoName]

Please don't kill me MWNN

I feel like N_M busses, but not this hard. So, like, welcome to the town club?

[ManWithNoName]

You unvoted from Prof Mafia.

[ManWithNoName]

UNVOTE:

i dont think NM is a good idea. i havent talked to noraa about it but personally ill compromise if necessary but i think there are better options probably. personally i havent been convinced by shelly's posts, but not enough to outweigh NKA.

-im out of ideas on how to sign

[ManWithNoName]

Prof is mafia because he's mafia, claims are irrelevant

VOTE: N_M

A50, stop it.

[ManWithNoName]

I just am wondering how long before he gets to it.

[ManWithNoName]

Should go without saying, but you're still in "Try to swap scum with the nightkill mode." You can self target, should not preclaim your targets, and shouldn't worry about the cop at all.

It's not as simple. Like, if I was scum and wanted you dead I'd swap you with -say- shelly and then shoot shelly's slot (presumably now occupied by you). MWNN will attempt to switch you with me but in reality would be reassigning shelly my slot and me to her "new" one which is originally yours. In short, you'll still die.

What he ought to do is try to outguess scum not ONLY about their Nk but ALSO bout whom they'd be switching it with, which is why I said to play the game as mountainous from the start.

I don't think it works like that, since their bus drive occurs before ours, if they decide to shoot shelly and switch with Bingle, and I decided to switch Bingle and A50, I think it ends up with an A50 shot, still.

[ManWithNoName]

Wait, no. I'm wrong.

[ManWithNoName]

This is really easy, you elim the one who was CCed, if he flips as the town bus driver, tomorrow I'm the elimination.

Like, this is real Mafia 101 stuff.

[ManWithNoName]

K, so this is how it would work:



Cop can be changed with a claimed town bus driver or just any random person for the same result.


So the scum team can always cancel out the town bus driver's protection. The bus driver can then counter that by either coincidently choosing the same targets as the mafia to cancel out the swapping altogether or just not try to protect them at all and just let the mafia kill the person they are swapping with the cop.

I am confused by this.

[ManWithNoName]

People only think I'm smart.

[ManWithNoName]

People only think I'm smart.

Is this "People, and only people.. will think you're smart?"
Or is it "People will only think you're smart, meaning nobody assumes otherwise"

This means people seem to be under the impression that I am an intelligent person, when in reality, I'm an idiot.

[ManWithNoName]

Got it. So, what I was already thinking, cool.

[ManWithNoName]

And, on this stupid shit with not believing my CC or whatever Swizzle slot is saying. Even if he WAS the bus driver, which he isn't, it would be insane for me to CC as scum because at most it gets me to Day 3 where I will be eliminated then. There's still going to be a bus driver.

Scum!me might consider CCing a cop claim, if I thought my teammates were deep enough, but, also in the current game state, scum!MWNN would definitely be telling someone else to CC the claim if that's the gambit scum!MWNN wanted.

Like, this whole day has gone down insanity road with less than 2 days remaining.

[ManWithNoName]

I hate self meta but, like, I just don't get how people don't see how insane a bus driver CC actually would be from scum. It has no net benefit, here.

[ManWithNoName]

We're going to end Day 2 with no elimination, aren't we?

[ManWithNoName]

I have no confidence that two people will check in within the next 29 hours.

[ManWithNoName]

I tried to steal the hammer but messed up with my login from my main.

Darn.

[ManWithNoName]

Oh, yeah, I could have just come in here as the horse wizard, unvoted and then come back in with this one to fix it... But, that seems like more work than actually spelling my own account name correctly.

[ManWithNoName]

We might not even get a fast twilight. He posted a votecount this week.

[ManWithNoName]

Everyone should pm the mod that we want a fast night btw. Can’t remember who the mod is or if they allow for that, but fuck waiting two days to find out I died.

Lmao you don't know who the mod is? Alrighty, I'll pm the mod for fast night.

-Noraabear

Presumably I have a pm conversation with them, but I only ever really know the mods name if they’ve fucked up or we have a long term relationship. I replaced into this because I saw an open that needed a bunch of replacements with a decent player list.

There were 13 players and almost a full one of them was A50. Solid playerlist indeed.

[ManWithNoName]

That's why I rarely play on my main.

[ManWithNoName]

Also, people are less likely to yell at me for being bad on this account.

[ManWithNoName]

I only ever really know the mods name if they’ve fucked up or we have a long term relationship.

I deny any such relationship with Bingle. We may or may not have dated once or twice but it never developed and we never took it that far.

DAMN! There goes my friendfic.

[ManWithNoName]

One of these days, I'm going to run a game where I claim every role is based on a UPick of songs, but just give everyone's role as a different Beastie Boys song.

[ManWithNoName]

I drove Johnny and Bingle last night. Is that indicative of Johnny not being scum or did they drive off of Bingle?

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Johnny Farrar

[ManWithNoName]

I drove from myself to Swizzle.

[ManWithNoName]

I guess vice versa, too.

[ManWithNoName]

I'm not positive I've fully got the bus driving down

[ManWithNoName]

Here's the question, does the actual cop claim? We of course don't know the driving from the mafia but we generally will have a decent idea of what I did.

But at the same time.

VOTE: Swizzle Pop

Willing to unvote if someone has a spicy take on cop claiming

[ManWithNoName]

Why would shelly kill N_M?

[ManWithNoName]

First night was MiniVirgo - shelly
Night two was Bingle - Johnny
Night three was MWNN - SwizzlePop

[ManWithNoName]

Why would shelly kill N_M?

NK analysis is bs to begin with and considering the kill was NM, no matter who is scum, its a weird kill. I'm gunna ISO NM rn to see what it was that made someone kill them.

-noraa the noraabear

So, use NK analysis to ask why you would kill N_M, do not use to ask why shelly would kill N_M

[ManWithNoName]

But also, why would scum!Noraa go and kill NM? Tho I do admit this kill doesnt really make much sense no matter who did it so eh.

-noraabear

Night kill analysis is bs to begin with.
-Nora's, shortly after writing this

[ManWithNoName]

If that was hammer. This flips town, it's probably a Froppy into MiniVirgo elims that win the game

[ManWithNoName]

Also if it flips town I'm not going to be protecting myself tonight.

[ManWithNoName]

Lost a conjunction in there because I'm bad at phone posting.

If that was hammer and this flips town, I meant.

But I think we hit scum 100% of the time in Swizzle/Froppy/Minivirgo

[ManWithNoName]

If that was hammer. This flips town, it's probably a Froppy into MiniVirgo elims that win the game

MWNN: Votes Swizzle
also MWNN: Swizzle's flipping town

Sorry about this confusion by the way, it was really a typo

[ManWithNoName]

Gg.

[ManWithNoName]

Looks like I should have saved Bingle. Whatevs. I'm cool with a win

[ManWithNoName]

I liked how both Bingle & MWNN TR'd me early but still couldn't sake their paranoia enough to make it a 100% read.

No, mine was 100% by day 2

[ManWithNoName]

Now wouldn't you all like to play in another open where sign-ups are still going on?

[ManWithNoName]

As long as your name stays out of that section on randomization

[ManWithNoName]

Y'all are like hounds. Couldn't make one misstep

they yeeted poor derp

Should have accidentally told everyone you were a backup bus driver.