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I doubt I will be *reading* the entire thread so it'd be nice if people would tell me which pages or which ISOs to specifically look at(like carefully not skimming). Otherwise I'll just be skimming tf outta the 40 something pages. The theme is confusing me a bit sooo imma go visit the first few posts aaaaand I'll brb ^^
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*nods in agreement*
which game'd u read?
also my activity *might* not be that high. It depends on if I vibe with the game lel and plus I'm in like 9 games rn or something . If I don't, ur gonna get very low activity
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Ok so Bingle seems kinda rolefishy(not exactly but asking for night actions just feels weird this early in the game)? Idk its so early in the game that they start doing it that I'm not too sure what to think there. I'd say that just confuses me a bit and throws me off but its nothing crazy.
I feel like Bingle seems to know a lot about the setup which I could see as tmi from scum. Personally this theme confuses me a shit ton and I don't follow that much bc of all this idk is this considered ... flavor?
The whole Nos or Ydrasse is scum that turns into Nos is locktown is a bit .... eh. Flip flopping is sometimes a scum tell but sometimes not and I'm not decided on if its a scum tell here.
The whole case on my slot was very meh. I didn't check the vote count but if I'm right that my slots been somewhat a lurker all round ... they were starting a vanity wagon. Btw I don't even know what vanity wagon means but I think its just like a useless/counter wagon type of thing? Lel I'm here to get help with ms lingo. not really but like kinda.
Spoiler:
I kinda skimmed for a lil bit of it
But overall I just see a lot of pushing in strange places for strange reasons(mostly referring to the SR on my slot that was very meh since I'm not decided on anyone else's alignment yet) and a lot of flip flopping. Personally I struggle to see anything too crazy in this ISO since a lot of it is out of context and doesn't make that much sense to me anyways :/
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*nods in agreement*
which game'd u read?
also my activity *might* not be that high. It depends on if I vibe with the game lel and plus I'm in like 9 games rn or something . If I don't, ur gonna get very low activity
I haven't actually read any of them I just checked a couple of newbies and saw your insane post counts lol
Don't burn out!!!
llmao yeah I think I myself, took up literally like half the total posts in a bunch
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not reading the game = scum?
when did this become a thing?
I have 8 games going on rn. U really want me to carefully read 49 pages?
sorry but absolutely not.
You can tell me specific pages or ISOs that I should read but I'm not reading 49 pages.
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I missed a claim rip. Wait do nightkills even exist in this setup?
If they don't, then he just claimed cuz there's no harm
if they do, then he was put at E-1 and forced to claim in which case I would want to go figure out if the wagon was started by scums.
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In post 1431, SirCakez wrote:Bingle I misunderstood your SR on Penguin I thought it was very strong
Noraa you should prob stop joining more games if you're overwhelmed
I saw Lilith needed a replacement badly so I replaced in. Wasn't planning on it originally :/
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Holy fuck I have to read up from 49.
Ok I'll try to get it done tonight cuz I don't wanna get limmed right after replacing in cuz then this was all a waste of my time
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In post 1435, Fun and Games wrote:well you're no longer my pick for deadline wagon, but i was gonna vote you about two hours ago until this whole convo with jingle happened
and agreed that you probably shouldn't join so many games ...
fwiw noraa/jingle are very very very likely not partners due to noraa writing up a whole null case on jingle upon repping in when he wasn't particularly under pressure. it would be really bizarre for the one slot for scum!noraa to iso there to be her partner, and then not come to any conclusion
~ skitter
someone with the rm prfpc told me to iso jingle
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P:Edit: I like this VOTE: Bingle with one eye still on the Hydra
I don't think we ever changed our vote back
VOTE: johnny
your case on us was poor, and you basically have no reason to scumread us as far as i can tell
you read through our iso in an attempt to make up reasons to push us, and you're basically joining any old wagon as they form
In post 1237, Fun and Games wrote:primarily my other head thought his setup spec/knowledge was scummy in a tmi way
but he's enver played with him i think and we talked about how i thought it was p par for the course for him, and not really unusual, and we settled on that bit not being scummy for him
that was the main driving factor of his scumread on him
Agree, and I’ve said as much that setup spec is nai for Bingle. What about his voting pattern versus statements?
In post 1051, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Also @everyone else I think I might be falling into "how dare this person suspect me" territory in regards to the questions they asked me while trying to sus me out or whatever, could someone less biased take a look?
so you just dropped the whole thing cuz nobody answered you ... ?
In post 1266, PenguinPower wrote:It is. But that requires you to pay attention when ABR seems to not be doing.
Yes, placing the second vote on a wagon when you think there's 8 hours left makes a lot of sense
~ skitter
In post 1276, Fun and Games wrote:ok now that we have a day and a bit left, can we work on coalescing on a non-awful wagon?
pedit i would compromise on chara if necessary, but i think we should be voting johnny
~ skitter
In post 1286, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Penguin + fun and games scum team. You heard it here first. One of the replacements is the 3rd. Save this post for the post-game.
You’re entrance today with scumreads on cakeman and Noraa slot yet voting Johnny slot and then not doing much else with your vote until recently.
That matched up with your scumreads on cakeman and Noraa slot yesterday yet voting for what ended up being a miselim.
Yeah... Except that also doesn't make any sense.
I entered today saying my reads were stale and I couldn't remember them, except that I had scumread cakeman and Noraa. And I was actively pushing both of those slots yesterday until deadline compromising to get literally any elimination at all. My play yesterday and today, like my level of motivation for the game yesterday and today, have been worlds apart. Today has been characterized by literally the only player I strongly scumread being firmly off the table for mechanical reasons, and empty promises of future content that I inevitably fail to follow through on because I don't really give enough of a shit to do a meta dive for this game at the moment.
my role allows me to attack someone as many times as my speed allows per night, rather than once; however, this does not allow me to do another specific action during the night.
i'm claiming because my other post didn't deter things but i would actually like to be useful and get multiple attacks off on scum, ty.
In post 889, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm a vig, better than even chances to one-shot a 3-3-3 player, if I get a weapon it becomes almost certain to one-shot them unless they roll perfectly.
In post 894, Albert B. Rampage wrote:There is nothing alignment indicative in me describing the mechanic of my attack.
In post 1368, Fun and Games wrote:i'd have preferred a response wherein you explained the bad penguin vote or you explain how you only have 1.5 townreads at this stage
I only have 1.5 townreads because I can see literally all of the people as scum. It's not a difficult concept. I voted Penguin because of all the people who I think are legitimate options for today, he's the one that I think is the best elimination for the ability to win the game. He's not likely to do much of anything while I'm around. I'm not likely to do much of anything while he's around. He, just like just about everyone, could very well be scum. He's done absolutely nothing town indicative, and dealing with his perpetual tunnels on me is just getting exhausting, tbh. It's not even really his fault, I just don't have enough motivation to deal with it even though I usually enjoy our banter.
In post 1385, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: bingle whatever I can't stand his posting on the last two pages
In post 1396, Bingle wrote:I don't see fighting down my elimination as being worth the effort in the long term chances of the town. I legitimately haven't done anything that's worth keeping me around for, so it's hard to blame people for not keeping me around.
In post 1415, Nosferatu wrote:i dont really see the angle for scum!bingle's play here but i don't really care enough to suggest someone better
VOTE: bingle
Personally I don't see Johnny's play as scum. It's pretty meh. I think I am null there with perhaps a slight town lean.
Fun and games is a hydra I take it. I've never played with anyone called skitter so I cannot tell but this hyperposting sure makes me think excited scum. It also feels like you kinda go around and sus everyone besides ur few TRs. Too much confidence feels scummy to me personally.
1238 is penguin standing up for Bingle. Worth looking at Penguin/Bingle interactions if bingle ever flips red this round.
Fun and games ur TR on bingle sure was paper thin once other people started jumping on bingle eh?
Fun and games you attack ABR for jumping on a vanity wagon while u urself are on Johnny who has like 2 votes or something. that's a bit hypocritical don't u think?
Also all this sussing on ABR is stupid. If he claimed vig, he should be ready to prove it. If he can't prove it, we yeet him. Why sort him now while he has a vig claim going and we have at the very least(assuming he is lying scum) 2 scum remaining to sort. Ftr I agree his posting is very questionable and shit but I mean ... he claim vig and we still got scums left so I don't see the point in tunneling there.
Bingle can we not call Penguin Power ... PP? thanks.
Penguin ... no the roles aren't similar.
Funn and games why is sircakez town?
Bingle 1.5 town reads is a bit ... sad to say the least. And also I feel like using AtE is not the best idea under the current circumstances :/
Tho I must put in that when I get desperate as town, I also use AtE so im willing to excuse this for now.
Flashwagons are bs. lets not flash wagon bingle. too many people are jumping on with terrible or no reasoning. Force them to give reasons.
The people I have a read on rn:
Bingle, Nos, Sircakez, fun and games, penguin, ABR, Johnny
Bingle: honestly I still lean town here but its not a strong lean regardless. Bingle's play reminds me lots of my play when under pressure as town. I react the shittiest to pressure and will OMGUS and AtE the fuck out of everyone :/
Nos: lurker. null. not much to say here. jumps on wagons. I could see that as being opportunistic maybe but idk its all a wash since nos is a lurker slot.
Sircakez: haven't seen much of this slot but he seems too agreeable and im not liking that so he's a scum lean.
Fun and games: flip floppy, pushes others for doing what they do, seems to think flash wagons are great, overall scummy mindset, eager scum vibes, hard scum lean here. "obviously town day 1" does not exist. theres a lot wrong with this slot and I hate the scummy vibes I get here.
Penguin: Null perhaps slight scum lean for the weird analysis on Ydrasse and ABR. Like uhh as far as ik these are two slots that have claimed. y tf r u pushing there?
ABR: probably just town being done with everything. doesn't try that much but its honestly TSTBS. He claimed vig. I'll wait for him to prove it. If he can't, regardless of reason, we launch him bc we can't afford to keep a scum or a really scummy player all the way to limlo.
Johnny: Very meh play here. I see nothing out of the ordinary, nothing super towny and nothing super scummy. No posts really ping me from this slot. I think I still want to give them a town lean tho bc I feel like town!Johnny seems more likely than scum!Johnny.
Early town block: Johnny, ABR, Noraa, Bingle
Null: Nos
Scum lean: Sircakez, Penguin, Fun and games,
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I apologize for the wall as I personally hate walls. they suck ass and they could burn in hell for all I care but this is the big catchup. I didn't know what else to do so apologies to the brain cells that died reading it @_@
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I understand hydras have it rough cuz they got two people occupying one slot and inconsistencies in their reads is normally cuz its two damn separate people but like when skitters the only one talking and theres THAT many inconsistencies, im reluctant to believe anything besides they are scum and don't actually have any reads cuz they already know who the dang scums are.
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In post 1448, Noraa wrote:Early town block: Johnny, ABR, Noraa, Bingle
Null: Nos
Scum lean: Sircakez, Penguin, Fun and games,
That's definitely not a consensus readslist.
and why do I care if its the consensus? my read is my read. if its wrong, its wrong. if people don't agree, they don't agree. you can't always be right or be on the same page as the rest of town.
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In post 1451, Noraa wrote:I apologize for the wall as I personally hate walls. they suck ass and they could burn in hell for all I care but this is the big catchup. I didn't know what else to do so apologies to the brain cells that died reading it @_@
Split it into more posts.
too late. also if ur gonna comment on my posts, I will be wanting a read on me not just some fluff that's not game related.
No, they are and you just making a statement does 0 to show otherwise.
In post 1448, Noraa wrote:Penguin: Null perhaps slight scum lean for the weird analysis on Ydrasse and ABR. Like uhh as far as ik these are two slots that have claimed. y tf r u pushing there?
Because...uh...people fakeclaim all the time? Both claims leave a kill failure open so not 100% confirmable. Also, I'm pushing Bingle but I'm raising points of suspicion on those two.
In post 1448, Noraa wrote:ABR: probably just town being done with everything. doesn't try that much but its honestly TSTBS. He claimed vig. I'll wait for him to prove it. If he can't, regardless of reason, we launch him bc we can't afford to keep a scum or a really scummy player all the way to limlo.
In post 1448, Noraa wrote:Early town block: Johnny, ABR, Noraa, Bingle
Your vote is still on ABR.
My b. forgot how replacing in works. UNVOTE: ABR
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In post 1472, Noraa wrote:I don't think fun and games is a not realistic wagon
Why aren't you voting them?
u keep pointing out unimportant things or in other words the fact that I keep forgetting to vote/unvote. Solve me instead of poking at unimportant things.
VOTE: Fun and games
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careless mistake on my end. I'm currently in d1 mindset and I generally don't like to switch my vote around until I have enough confidence in it. You're reading into it too hard if ur town. If ur scum, ur purposefully doing that.
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In post 1448, Noraa wrote:Fun and games: flip floppy, pushes others for doing what they do, seems to think flash wagons are great, overall scummy mindset, eager scum vibes, hard scum lean here. "obviously town day 1" does not exist. theres a lot wrong with this slot and I hate the scummy vibes I get here.
Lol
no what I meant was instead of saying "lol" and discrediting my opinions straight up, explain why these aren't scum tells
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Basically amished tell is when someone reps in and makes a point of saying how scummy their predecessor was (often accompanied by saying they understand the wagon on them and/or saying they're surprised they havent been wagoned yet)
It's p reliable, in my experience, and kinda exactly what you did there
sure was what I did. except scum!me never does things like this bc scum!me overthinks and decides it might catch attention. town!me couldn't give two shits whether it gets attention. Some things are considered scumtells but honestly, more town do it than scum :/
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In post 1491, Noraa wrote:no what I meant was instead of saying "lol" and discrediting my opinions straight up, explain why these aren't scum tells
Will be at a pc/not at work later this evening, so can give a real answer then.
The short answer is basically: i largely disagree with most of your assessments (like 'seems to think flashwagons are great'. When it's like 36 hours to deadline and everyone is lurking, like last night, flashwagons arent that bad imo given that we need a flip. It'a not something i agree with in general). And strongly disagre with 'overall scummy mindset' or 'eager scum vibes' which i dont think you've really elaborated upon either
Dont particularly object to flip-floppy, i am sometimes
Actually going thru the wall is gonna have to wait till tonight, sorry
"eager scum vibes" = way too present in the thread and every time ur present, I feel u don't move the game forward at all. I only see stubbornness and zero willingness to actually solve.
flash wagons are not ok with 36 hours left. 36 hours = plenty of time to discuss and actually get something out of a flip rather than rushing and gaining absolutely nothing.
u complain people are lurking. then engage them. put pressure on them. MAKE THEM TALK. sometimes there aint no shortcut. U tell the mod to prod them enough times and they'll get replaced or start engaging u.
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You had a TR on Bingle. Then everyone flipped on Bingle. Then you lurked for a huge portion of them arguing about Bingle and when you come back, its to say you have moved to the Bingle wagon. Is that not scummy. Ur not THAT present in the thread but its clear as hell that ur "present" just not talking. Ur lurking.
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the response to the initial wagon was pretty townie
yall should've just sheeped me when i called her town given that i started the wagon in the first place but its w/e
and how tf do you know my slot is town? why are you so confident im town? Only scum should be that confident im town rn. so what if my slot claimed a pr? scum would do it too.
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In post 1448, Noraa wrote:Like uhh as far as ik these are two slots that have claimed. y tf r u pushing there?
In post 1513, Noraa wrote:so what if my slot claimed a pr? scum would do it too.
good try but no.
rn when there are slots that claimed pr, they should be off the limpools bc 2/3 scums will not claim pr day 1-2 so that means even if one of them was scum, we still have 2 scum left to catch. Especially since ABR is provable.
My slot claimed pr does not equal I am town. It could be a town lean or a TR but never conftown.
These two statements do not contradict each other.
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I've never played with anyone called skitter so I cannot tell
but this hyperposting sure makes me think excited scum. It also feels like you kinda go around and sus everyone besides ur few TRs. Too much confidence feels scummy to me personally.
a) hyperposting is nai for me, ask jingle or penguin. kinda baffled how you're getting to 'excited scum' from hyperposting. didn't sircakez indicate that you also hyperpost? are you scum each time?
b) i've repeatedly said that i have like 5 or so townreads, and that i find the rest of the game either scummy or null. not sure what the issue is with that, and given that a lot of the scummy/null slots aren't posting, there's not much i can necessasrily do about it either
hyperposting isnt AI for me and don't turn the tables that defensively otherwise I'll just think ur more scummy. I specifically said I haven't played with u before so I don't know if the point applies. And also earlier, u said u hadn't been hyper posting soooo this backtracking is interesting.
Ur TRs also flip to SRs really fast which is interesting. What the issue is? nothing big. Ur likely scum tho.
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In post 1507, Noraa wrote:You had a TR on Bingle. Then everyone flipped on Bingle. Then you lurked for a huge portion of them arguing about Bingle and when you come back, its to say you have moved to the Bingle wagon. Is that not scummy. Ur not THAT present in the thread but its clear as hell that ur "present" just not talking. Ur lurking.
this is a ridiculously bad-faith-y way of representing what happened while ignoring the context of what prompted the change to the bingle wagon (namely, that he posted scummy in ways on uncharacteristic of townhim)
also i was vla for the weekend, i said i would be last week even ...
no this happened yesterday while I was online.
In post 1524, Fun and Games wrote:noraa you made a big stink about me not fully responding to you but aren't really responding to my responses ...
I replied
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In post 1528, Gamma Emerald wrote:can I get the bingle wagon reasoning in a sentence or so, I'm trying to play several games fast rn
Fun and games starts vanity wagons, sheeps consensus reads even when they are on people that were TRs just a few hours ago, and basically doesn't have reads.
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In post 1528, Gamma Emerald wrote:can I get the bingle wagon reasoning in a sentence or so, I'm trying to play several games fast rn
Fun and games starts vanity wagons, sheeps consensus reads even when they are on people that were TRs just a few hours ago, and basically doesn't have reads.
I aint making a case on a TR of mine lel
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In post 1396, Bingle wrote:I don't see fighting down my elimination as being worth the effort in the long term chances of the town. I legitimately haven't done anything that's worth keeping me around for, so it's hard to blame people for not keeping me around.
This is defeatist and AtE but so? Town!me does exactly that when under pressure. Its not AI for everyone.
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. If I don't, ur gonna get very low activity 
