Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Alisae]

FakeGod makes balanced games

[Alisae]

Holy shit tho

[Alisae]

Yes, thus why I do not believe that is the set-up.

so my role pm is lieing to me?

[Alisae]

Tammy what do you think of Diamond's response to the mason claims

[Alisae]

I actually think scum is likely going to be in {Peta, Gamma, Bell, Cakez} tbh

[Alisae]

I townread Bulge Nahdia
If my scumpool is correct DS is likely town
and I townread Midway still even though thats kind of stale?

[Alisae]

My impression of his posting is that he is just posting. A lot of it doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t seem to be even following a pattern or even the game.

how is this not town indicative in this case?

[Alisae]

Cakez do you think those reads are scum indicative from Diamond?

[Alisae]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

[Alisae]

my take is either scum are trying to rile up the conftowns to get them to look elsewhere or towns are making a mistake

who is riling us up?

[Alisae]

Gamma - I... wish I had more. I haven't gained much on them, but this is really my last true gut read. Something doesn't sit right with me about them. I doubt that trying to come up with justification from the thread would work because my unconscious mind is not great.

I actually think this is the most important thing in those reads tbh

[Alisae]

As for my solution to it, the FG breaking site rules was dumb, but I 100% absolutely believe that it's some stupid inside joke. There is no way in hell for Fakegod to allow 8 conf!town in his game. Literally no way.

We don't know what scum's power is so you can't judge how balanced it is

[Alisae]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

how is nahdia's recent posting scum indicative?
how is bulge recent content scum indicative?

[Alisae]

Holy shit Cakez scumpool in 2377 was Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
that is so scummy wtf????

why? you three were looking terrible at that point.

@Alisae response?

I'm holding you accountable for being terribly wrong

Can you talk to me about Nahdia and Bulge town because I am really not seeing it

how is nahdia's recent posting scum indicative?
how is bulge recent content scum indicative?

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected
(i;e Bulge's whole "only conftown are interacting with me" thing even though that was not true as evidenced by my discussion with him)
I can point to more specific things hold on

Do you think Diamond is town?

[Alisae]

So by your own logic, if the masonry folks are faking... then your solve is 5 scum...

Alisae, Pooky, Cabd, S_S, Taylor

You should be casing.

Except look at how many nulls he has
I actually feel like the fact he has so many nulls is a really important detail to consider here

[Alisae]

I actually think scum is likely going to be in {Peta, Gamma, Bell, Cakez} tbh

Peta and Cakez are my townreads among the not-confirmed along with an extremely reluctant concession to self that DS could be crazytown, Cakez is the one I feel least sure about.

Have you played a fair bit with both of them?

I played a tiny bit with the both of them

[Alisae]

ya lets make Jake do it
I'm sure he'll be able to get it done KEKW

[Alisae]

I honestly don't see a world where Bell is town in this game honestly

[Alisae]

And I also think if Bell is scum, Peta is very likely going to be their buddy

[Alisae]

I honestly don't see a world where Bell is town in this game honestly

Hi-five!

down low

[Alisae]

@Cabd does Peta and Bells interactions with each other read as theater to you?

[Alisae]

I actually think {Bell, Gamma, Peta} as a team makes a lot of sense and I feel like they all have very similar reads to each other

[Alisae]

this is my kill order atm I think
Bell -> Gamma -> Peta -> Cakez -> Diamond/Midway -> Bulge -> Nahdia

[Alisae]

this is my kill order atm I think
Bell -> Gamma -> Peta -> Cakez -> Midway -> Diamond -> Bulge -> Nahdia

Edit

[Alisae]

Alisae pls talk about town Bulge/Nahdia now that I have talked about my SRs on them

their contributions are good

[Alisae]

I think once we get more Bulge content aka his reads, I'm good to end the day.

[Alisae]

unless you guys have more to talk about in which case im down but thats the only thing im waiting for atm

[Alisae]

wasnt SC your top townread just yesterday?

Sure was. What’s your point?

so why did u vote him

[Alisae]

because I'm conftown

[Alisae]

he's novice

[Alisae]

How can Bell know me and porky are lovers but aren’t masons

[Alisae]

ffery, tammy, jake conftown.
midwaybear free space.
cakez town. cabd likely town because all his top townreads are likely town so if scum he'd be boxing himself out. coming around on s_s town toward the end of the day. feel fairly good about gamma town as well. i'll call pooky town too even though that's one more townread than i need.

scum in {Bell, Alisae, Bulge, DS, Nahdia}

might be one of those games

[Alisae]

Must be a new form of lolcatting

[Alisae]

@Conftown

What do you guys think of asking the other 8 villagers to get some wagons going.
Having 2-3 wagons happening would really help me out a lot and unless all of those 8 people agree on 1 individual, no one is going to die so it should be fine.

Ideally I would like to see Nahdia, DS, or Bell wagons but up to ywall

This tripped me up and I thought it was weird too.

I wrote that because cabd mentioned sometime earlier that he didn't want people being voted or something

[Alisae]

its not ur fault you randed scum

[Alisae]

Cabd, do you think Bell and Peta's interactions are theater?

[Alisae]

That avatar switch was like stepping down on a stair that wasn't supposed to be there.

ya it seemed off too now that I think about it

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Are we going to vote something today

[Alisae]

Wait for the morphheads to get their catnaps, and then yeah, we'll act tonight and get on with it.

what does it look like is being voted so far.

I just woke up and I saw DS's iso dive to bulge being icky and bulge's response also being a bit icky.
I think my top pick atm is Gamma

[Alisae]

do we actually just hate bulge's content?
because I'm a sucker for it tbh

[Alisae]

Consider me on Gamma then

[Alisae]

Hm, I lost my final point in 3276

Contrast the below with 3224

@Tammy DS is trying to destroy the idea that cabd is conftown but doesn’t want to put himself in a position to 1v1 cabd rn as that’s probably a losing battle.

Generally I see this kind of behavior on a less dramatic level where the scum just try to gaslight the conftown.

This is a much bolder move that speaks of scum desperation.

It's like Gamma inadvertently described his own response to Alisae in the earlier post as something akin to gaslighting the conftown.

I'm more trying to figure out why Ali's teamguess has locked onto the players I feel the strongest about being town apart from clears, because I would definitely rather work with em than against em. I can see how that looks like gaslighting but it's really not. I'm just trying to understand Alisae's perspective so I can present mine and figure out how best to solve the game considering each. But later posting has shown that it might be a futile endeavor anyway because when Alisae gets into that type of confidence I mentioned earlier it's

nigh impossible

to talk em out of it. So I'm at a point where I'm at least trying to help Alisae play better in future games because I don't know if I'm gonna be able to have meaningful interactions with em much longer.

You, Bell, and Peta are acting upon very similar reads in a way that I feel like a scumteam would.

[Alisae]

if ur town your townflip is also very helpful because it means I should in fact consider one of Bulge and DS.
You just seemed like you wanted to kill both of them regardless and that irks me

[Alisae]

do we actually just hate bulge's content?
because I'm a sucker for it tbh

its bad and his response to me is basically outing

how is ti outing

[Alisae]

What happens if his stance on you is that he's sus of you instead of "Genuine but a little misguided"

[Alisae]

How is it different from someone else in the playerlist

[Alisae]

I thought you and Bell were at each others throats?

[Alisae]

also because the way bulge's read on bell progressed was fucking gross

draw it out for me

[Alisae]

I think its generally fine

[Alisae]

:/

[Alisae]

It would really interest me to see you drive this w/o any support of conftown so glgl

[Alisae]

What I mean by that is I want to see how big the wagons get before conftown vote

[Alisae]

Yeah some people become less amazing when they're conftown

[Alisae]

it happens

[Alisae]

do i need to vote something right now
I wanna go back to playing minecraft n_n

[Alisae]

I actually would prefer to see how many of the unsorted people vote bulge before putting down my vote. I personally thing that can yield a lot of information

[Alisae]

oh

[Alisae]

well im ready to vote

[Alisae]

Its so hard to want to get out of bed dude

[Alisae]

Can I do the thing?

[Alisae]

god I hate this but I have like 2 teams in my mind, one with like bulge nahdia and someone else the other being peta gamma and bell or someone else and i townread bulge but honestly its fine.

[Alisae]

I would be so much happier with a Gamma blitz

[Alisae]

VOTE: Gamma

[Alisae]

Yeah I would consider vigging bulge if Gamma flips town

[Alisae]

how many scum remaining are we assuming? 2? yeah fmpov, two scum just hopped aboard that flash wagon. does make me a little iffy, though pre-emptive VCA is a grave sin.

OH MY GOD
THIS WAS A QUESTION I WAS WONDERING FOR A LONG TIME FOR NO REASON
LIKE LEGIT SOMETIMES I STILL THINK THERE'S 4 SCUM INCLUDING THE TRAITOR LIKE WHAAAAAAAAAAT

[Alisae]

how many scum remaining are we assuming? 2? yeah fmpov, two scum just hopped aboard that flash wagon. does make me a little iffy, though pre-emptive VCA is a grave sin.

OH MY GOD
THIS WAS A QUESTION I WAS WONDERING FOR A LONG TIME FOR NO REASON
LIKE LEGIT SOMETIMES I STILL THINK THERE'S 4 SCUM INCLUDING THE TRAITOR LIKE WHAAAAAAAAAAT

I've been assuming it's 3-1-X from the get go

its moreso I would subconsciously try to find teams of 4

[Alisae]

im not sure who I'd pick if I have to pick between nahdia and bulge

[Alisae]

I feel like bulge's flip provides more information in general

[Alisae]

no one asked

[Alisae]

kekw im joking

[Alisae]

ngl, I might just wanna double back onto bulge.
We can still do that right?

[Alisae]

I can't fucking believe Bulge wormed his way out of this one
And people were asking me why I thought he wouldn't self-hammer in that situation

He didn’t tho?

VOTE: bulge

[Alisae]

Bulge did nothing it was just the conftowns trying to get a counterwagon going

[Alisae]

Btw my vote should be L-1 I needed to place it before I go to sleep.

[Alisae]

VOTE: nahdia

the superior counterwagon, thank you ffery. this even goes back a touch further than the gamma blitz with bell's initial vote, and already has two unconfirmeds on it, plus i wouldnt dare claim my vote as self-preservation at this point.

I don't particularly find self-preservation votes scummy because really who wouldn't, but I'm not sure how I feel about how easily and readily he jumped to gamma, when the last thing he said about gamma was the he was sliding to town, and then left.

I would much rather nahdia if that is something that can still happen, but yea what would you do in my situation if you knew you were town, and four people you also know are town vote someone you're not really sure about within a minute of each other?

i wont complain about being in the pool but ill whine if im shot

VOTE: gamma

ily guys

pce was fun playing

Yeah but he fed them AtE like this

That was after Bulge had 5 votes on him

[Alisae]

How can you be so absurdly wrong about the events that just occured

[Alisae]

Fucking called Bell
Be here later very busy today

????????

[Alisae]

I am in fact considering that you engaged in theater with Bell but Gamma being town changes things

[Alisae]

I just woke up give me a bit to think about things

[Alisae]

Midway’s posting is starting to get kinda gross tho

[Alisae]

Peta why are you going after Diamond?

[Alisae]

I want to know what my lover thinks otherwise I am going to get angry

[Alisae]

I might actually file for a divorce at the rate things are going

[Alisae]

Who is DS partnered with?

[Alisae]

Peta why are you going after Diamond?

did you see the quoteblock i posted on the last page? it's how he reacted to the early wagon on bell

additionally i think there are reasons to see bell as un-teamed with midway and nahdia, although the latter is somewhat wifom-y

Let me take a look at ur quote wall 1 sec

[Alisae]

Okay diamond being scum falls in line with bell’s skeptism of me and pooky

[Alisae]

Diamond makes sense for being partners with Bell.
Who is their friend

[Alisae]

Yes I agree I think its impossible for Nahdia to be partners with Bell and DS

[Alisae]

When I started attacking Cakez Bell got on my case too and called me and Pooky scummy lovers

[Alisae]

@Tammy

what do you think?
I buy what Peta is selling me here

[Alisae]

I love you too Pooky

[Alisae]

I mean as long as me and pooky are alive you should be fine

[Alisae]

Like I promise you
As long as I am alive, I will make sure that you never die in this game.

[Alisae]

I don’t actually think Peta hardpushing Bulge like he did is the most amazing strategy as scum?
If that’s his strategy what does he does he win in the late game? By the time we get to late game he’s super suspect

[Alisae]

But i don't want this to happen until I have time to read. There's no reason to rush it.

I have a habit of wanting to rush things but I’ll try to keep that in check.
Take ur time

[Alisae]

Also Peta said that he would refuse to wagon gamma if gamma came up because he was that confident in bulge
That would be suspect if gamma was scum but gamma was town so its points in his favor

[Alisae]

Yeah if Peta is scum I don’t think he was thinking about the late game which to me would seem like he’s making a mistake so I don’t exactly think that scum!peta would make a mistake like that?
Either way I’ll let you re-read

Pedit: I don’t think Cakez ever wins late game and I think you’re the only person who can if you decided to employ a deepwolf strategy

Pedit2: Also I just remembered that Cakez saying that Bulge almost AtE’d out of being the lynch is just so bad

[Alisae]

Cabd

[Alisae]

Tammy I don't think Nahdia makes sense with Bell being scum.
I also just can't think of anyone for Nahdia to be paired with.

[Alisae]

Bell wanted to kill Nahdia and Nahdia wasn't doing anything that would indicate theater to me

[Alisae]

Bell wanted to kill Nahdia and Nahdia wasn't doing anything that would indicate theater to me

why does there have to be theater though?

People don't always do theater.

The way Nahdia was playing doesn't seem like she's paired with anyone.
She just seems like she's doing her own thing and I feel like if you want to bus your partner it just feels weird for the player being bussed to not interact with the busser

[Alisae]

I also have an easier time just swallowing that Bell tried to chainsaw Cakez by attacking me then I do believing that Nahdia is scum

[Alisae]

And Cakez makes no sense to be scum with Nahdia

[Alisae]

getting frutsrated with this game because it feels like my reads are actually decent for once but I'm getting attacked for them

BULGE SCUM
NAHDIA SCUM
ME SCUM

[Alisae]

"actually decent" okay dude

[Alisae]

getting frutsrated with this game because it feels like my reads are actually decent for once but I'm getting attacked for them

BULGE SCUM
NAHDIA SCUM
ME SCUM

and I was right about Taylor and Bell
Nahdia is TBD
my batting average is usually like 1/10 so this is good for me yeah?

i didn't see you push bell d2

[Alisae]

and you've been fucking putting me down all game with your conftown status without even explaining why my shit is scummy except for one-liners and it's obnoxious as hell

:TRIGGERED:

[Alisae]

because the counterwagon came first then the AtE came
the AtE had nothing to do with the counterwagon and bulge did not do anything to get a counterwagon going.
it was all the conftown

[Alisae]

Bell wanted to kill Nahdia and Nahdia wasn't doing anything that would indicate theater to me

why does there have to be theater though?

People don't always do theater.

i just have a hard time seeing him going for the bus at the end of day yesterday versus other votes although it probably bears looking into. ultimately though i think while nahdia hasn't been super involved, that doesn't mean scummy, and their reaction to being pushed has felt righteous, not scummy.

Not being super involved wasn’t concerning me.

What Peta is saying is also good here.
It doesn't really make sense for Bell to give up ground by randomly voting Nahdia.

[Alisae]

because I didn't read those pages

[Alisae]

oh wait i did read those pages there were some other pages I didn't read tho that I don't remember what they are

[Alisae]

OH I LOVE IT DUDE
AS SOON AS YOU VOTE BELL HE OMGUS YOU
I LOVE IT

[Alisae]

I disagree

[Alisae]

in the context which bell OMGUS Cakez I think is indicative of bussing

[Alisae]

Like Bell calls cakez town
he attacks me for attacking cakez's bad reads when cakez thinks scum is in Me, Nahdia, and Bulge
and then that happens

it makes no sense

[Alisae]

what about Bell's play yesterday makes sense

he was a scum suicide bomber

[Alisae]

DIAMOND ALSO VOTED BULGE YESTERDAY BEFORE MOVING BACK TO NAHDIA
I LOVE IT DUDE

[Alisae]

Not being super involved wasn’t concerning me.

what was it that was concerning you

Most of the posts they made did not sound town.

Like look at their response to bulge for instance, and the smarmy way they found a way to get on the bulge wagon after thinking he was town. That was gross.

(The post where they hadn’t read eod 1 sounded genuine, and the indignation at DS sounded genuine but that’s not alignment indicative, it’s easy to get indignant at a lie no matter you’re alignment.)

I actually related to Nahdia's bulge vote a lot. It reminded me of a moment I had as a villager in another game

[Alisae]

Not being super involved wasn’t concerning me.

what was it that was concerning you

Most of the posts they made did not sound town.

Like look at their response to bulge for instance, and the smarmy way they found a way to get on the bulge wagon after thinking he was town. That was gross.

(The post where they hadn’t read eod 1 sounded genuine, and the indignation at DS sounded genuine but that’s not alignment indicative, it’s easy to get indignant at a lie no matter you’re alignment.)

I actually related to Nahdia's bulge vote a lot. It reminded me of a moment I had as a villager in another game

You get passed off when people ask you questions?

I mean I'm not 100% the same but it was similar in that I townread a slot for a very long time and then they said something very weird when they were at L-1 and I killed them and then they flipped villager.
It technically happens.

[Alisae]

yeah well you are nitpicking and biased

I win bye bye

[Alisae]

i understood that reference!

btw for anyone planning on another reread, i highly recommend Northsidegal's highlight script: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... al/Scripts

I need to install that holy shit 1 second

[Alisae]

Suicide Bombers are actually a very effective way of dealing with conftown but I feel like its a role that you don't give to scum as their only PR. On MU it was generally used in a lot of mashes but those are just a whole seperate beast compared to FakeGod games.

Its actually really weird to actually see a Suicide Bomber on MS.

[Alisae]

Yes.

Have we gotten mod confirmation that there are 3 scum+traitor? Because with the amount of town PRs (plus the suicide bomber as a mafia, although they might be the weakest), we might be dealing with 4 mafia+traitor. Which puts us at 6/3 right now, making tomorrow LyLo.

Food for thought.

wait what

[Alisae]

Pooky do you also just read 4077 and get really weirded out by it?

[Alisae]

Yeah I actually am starting to have a really hard time seeing that post being actually written by town

[Alisae]

You're suggesting this would be a Day 3 large game and that's just insane

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Suicide Bombers would not justify breaking my golden ratio™

[Alisae]

well for example based on the last couple pages i have a stronger townread on SS and scumreads on peta and bell.

Well here’s gamma’s rule of three :p

oh no

[Alisae]

You're suggesting this would be a Day 3 large game and that's just insane

No, I suggested a 4 day game.

im too high to be playing mafia holy shit

[Alisae]

You've also played with Nahdia before and used meta on them as scum
makes me think its to DS

[Alisae]

One that didn't anticipate 4 town deaths in 1 night.

what

[Alisae]

My basic gist is that Nahdia wasn't even trying early game before the conftowns reveal which is scum indicative and afterwards they seem overly defensive and worried about how they are viewed (see the overreaction to the push from DS)

Cakez nahdia push = bad

[Alisae]

I would rather just vote and kill you tbh

[Alisae]

Sorry you randed scum bro

[Alisae]

Honestly he's probably talking to Tammy in hood.
He's been more active in hood then in thread probably

[Alisae]

I haven't seen life from Nahdia in a good minute

[Alisae]

what's a life? Can I buy it in a zoo

[Alisae]

Is there something we're waiting for again I forgot

[Alisae]

VOTE: cakez

[Alisae]

Is there something we're waiting for again I forgot

[Alisae]

Is it murder death kill time?

[Alisae]

Pooky, Tammy?

[Alisae]

VOTE: diamond

[Alisae]

what DOES confuse me is why they didn't have DS bomb someone instead of bell.

I think Bell thought he might get shot

[Alisae]

Quite frankly I don’t see the difference

[Alisae]

Are we betting the game on Peta town?
Cause if we are that solves a lot of things, I was getting worried that Peta might want to bus Diamond

If we’re not betting the game on Peta I think realistically
Cakez -> Peta -> Midway should be autowin.

If we are betting the game on peta town then
Cakez -> Midway -> Nahdia should definitely be auto win

[Alisae]

I’m just waking up you’re gonna have to forgive me lmao

[Alisae]

I call dibs on the hammer btw

[Alisae]

What actually really confuses me is why Cakez still has some fight in him considering this game is just super doomed for him and there’s no way he’s getting out of this hole but he’s probably just stubborn or something idunno let’s kill him anyways because I want to have that feels good moment when he flips scum

[Alisae]

Also even if he is town at this point there’s been multiple scumflips and I don’t think he’s been trying to adjust his reads at all for it.
Like he still scumreads Nahdia which at this point I believe he’s just lolcatting at this point because he’s not trying to put his mind on the table for why he thinks its nahdia when the burden is on him to convince us why Diamond at the start of D2 busses Nahdia

[Alisae]

Like if there wasn’t an investigation on Peta, I actually think Peta has a ton of motivation to bus Diamond and I can see that being a very valid play considering the scrutiny that he was being pushed for pushing bulge.

But I also think its weird to force a Bulge wagon while shutting down the gamma wagon when Gamma is also town so I really just think that Peta is just town here

[Alisae]

I feel like if DS really wanted to distance himself from Nahdia, I feel like the best play for him was to suicide bomb N2.

[Alisae]

Its not that hard you just have to try to figure out why they would want to do that and what the benefits are for them.
I can't think about how killing Jake benefits scum other then its 1 less conftown but ig said scum player just hasn't learned yet that sometimes you may want to bring conftown into a lylo situation

[Alisae]

the other scum player could be just scared of the unknown.
Jake has been really quiet and that in of itself is scary in that he's unpredictable.

[Alisae]

Yeah thats true and I don't really think he was killed because he was unpredictable I just think it was to play around docs without killing the docs.

pedit: Yeah scum really should be planning ahead.

[Alisae]

yeah well
you're a dead man walking

[Alisae]

its nahdia amirite?

[Alisae]

The strongest argument against Nahdia-DS is that argument they had but that could have been scum theatre. Not likely I'll grant but I feel it's more likely then Midway scum

I'm not really thinking about that whole interaction about reads, but I'm thinking about that one quote early game where DS said that he was wait until Nahdia showed up because he thought he was able to read Nahdia well. Feel like that is a weird thing to say to your scumbuddy 90% of the time.

oh yeah that happened
and it was the main thing nahdia was pressing him for

[Alisae]

that feels like a weird way to sell your bus tbh
if it was a bus I'd imagine it would be better to pust DS for...you know...actually scummy things? There's plenty of those and not to mention as scum you tend to think your scumbuddies are scummier then they actually are.

[Alisae]

I also think you shouldn't be clearing Nahdia so easily if you're scum since you know we're wrong on cakez.

[Alisae]

idunno man, that looks like pretty good evidence to clear nahdia tho

[Alisae]

What would make Nahdia go back on the table

[Alisae]

Pretend Cakez was mod confirmed town
While you should revealuate once you get there since all the players picked to be there were picked for a reason
but let's assume we're there now and me and pooky are dead.

[Alisae]

Pretend Cakez was mod confirmed town
While you should revealuate once you get there since all the players picked to be there were picked for a reason
but let's assume we're there now and me and pooky are dead.

I mean this is pointless if he is scum, but what I'm taking away is that you want me to give this situation LYLO consideration?

Yeah just humor me please and say we're in a gamestate where its F4 is Nahdia, Tammy, Peta, You
Yes its pointless if he is scum but its also not pointless if he's actually town and because if we can identfiy that he's town and get scum today, thats good too.

Oh and also if he is town I might not be living that much longer.

[Alisae]

@Peta

- how much would you want to be the traitor in this setup?
Random question but its honestly just more chitchat more then anything because thinking back about it, I really think Taylor misplayed really hard if Cakez is scum and Taylor reached out to Cakez.
I feel like the correct way for the traitor to play in this setup is to guide the scum while also just destroy the Deathy inside. They have to give up their lives but the Traitor is a ticking time bomb waiting to die.
Taylor signalling to Cakez if Cakez is scum is a big misplay. I get why they thought it was a good play, signalling to scum is GENERALLY a good idea because people USUALLY don't know that there's a traitor in the setup. It's a mistake thats easy to do. However when its public knowledge that there's a traitor in the setup and its within a group of 5 people, its relatively easy to identify?
I mean she was also getting super fucked on rand (I actually now that I think about it, Jake was probably the most important deathy member because I can totally imagine Tammy, Syr, and Ffery using Jake as bait, and a really good one of that)

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maybe I shoulda left it for post game but I really do like setups like these where your role motivates how you play. You REALLY have to think about what part your piece plays within the setup.

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WAIT
WOULDN'T IT BE WILD IF THE SCUMTEAM KNEW WHO WAS INSIDE THE DEATHY

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Does this game play differently if scum know about the deathy?

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ITS POSSIBLE I AM REALLY STONED
but that would be wild holy shit

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on second thought why would he bus the obv traitor if he knew that the traitor was in the deathy
yeah I'm stoned holy shit

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you bus the traitor and allow the strongest players in the playerlist to become confirmed town, which spirals the game completely out of control.
Thats giving up so much ground.

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The only thing that justifies it is at first you think Jake is the traitor but how could you possibly think Jake is the traitor, he's not even trying to play the part.
But then it also doesn't make sense that Cakez is trying to miselim taylor but Diamond is trying to miselim Jake that seems like a very big communication error that just shouldn't happen.

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(Also just so you know i'm not entirely crazy. Ffery remarked that it was odd that town were just accepting all the mason claims and sometime later both DS and Bell started acting weird about the mason claims.)

Yeah, I think scum tried to discredit me, pooky, cabd, and SS and try to plant that seed into people's heads.
They were super slow on it though and by the time they tried it was too late becuase town already was allowed to drive the agenda and control the narrative

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The only thing that justifies it is at first you think Jake is the traitor but how could you possibly think Jake is the traitor, he's not even trying to play the part.
But then it also doesn't make sense that Cakez is trying to miselim taylor but Diamond is trying to miselim Jake that seems like a very big communication error that just shouldn't happen.

ig they could have thought it was ffery, tammy, or syr?
This isn't a rabbit hole I want to dig down though.

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I feel like it makes more sense to say that they didn't but the D1 votes on Taylor and Jake I can't but just help feel they're too convienent.

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HOLY SHIT
BELL TO TAYLOR
"You sound like there's a terrorist with a gun to your head forcing you to play in 12 games just out of frame or something."

Is the scumteam just 3 suicide bombers?

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thats 1417

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I feel like he also tried to signal to jake in that post as well.

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what i think happened was taylor signalled to cakez, bell signalled back to taylor?

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Maybe Cakez freaked out because the signally was so obvious so he hard bussed taylor to make it look like he wasn't related to taylor

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Tammy/Pooky do any of these things make any actual sense?

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cuz i feel like im talking in an insanity chamber and the only person that can hear me right now is myself lol

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I kinda dig the RP it adds vibes

then youre scum too.

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right now im suggesting that scum didn't know scum was in the deathy
im not sure if that was clear or not
i think scum were too disorganized for scum to be in the deathy

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for scum to knwo that scum is in the deathy*
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idunno tho
traitors normally work here where they know their partners so thats my assumption

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maybe im just misunderstanding you idunno but i feel like ur telling me not to get too hung up about traitor interactions?

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That actually makes Cakez look like a red haring tbh

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Tammy how confident are you about the investigation?

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actually nvm
I'm reading the Peta and Taylor interactions more, I feel like its villager v scum interactions.
Peta seems way too skeptical of Taylor in those interactions I think?

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What were the other deathy results?

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Miller Godfather pair is something I remember seeing a lot on this site actually. That was 2017/2018 tho and not sure about how it was in the future.
I'll say its possible.

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the only evidence I have against a godfather bp is bell signallying to taylor terrorists which screams 3 suicide bombers to me

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you planning on play more games after this one?

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Maybe Cakez freaked out because the signally was so obvious so he hard bussed taylor to make it look like he wasn't related to taylor

i think it's plausible yeah


i need to reread DS but the thing in my mind is that when DS got heat early cakez defended it as his playstyle being lhf-ish

Riiiiight yeah he did do that.

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I feel like the more I think about it the more evidence I'm presented with to make me think its just not cakez

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it IS cakez mybad

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I don't know if thats just me not shutting up about cakez or if I am genuinely just not seeing anything thats compelling for midway/nahdia

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Well Midway when we're wrong on Cakez, kill Peta for me