mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[shellyc]

Salutations my fellow players, gonna head to work now
wish I could post while sleeping, I live on the other side of the world...
gonna catch up the 3p things later
I'm quite busy recently so don't expect me to blow up the postcount, this is going to be quite low-effort shelly

didn't read through all of this, just dabbled in ISOs.
a readslist (ordered from towniest to scummiest) for y'all

THE TOWN ZONE

mastina - good player apparently? there is engagement, really feels like trying to solve this game with that 7-player list (which other than plus is a good PoE) and constantly evaluating

Menalque - im rather paranoid about them but MM push is very good, overall I think 2737 VIBES with my thoughts

PlusJOYED - I really get the usual town LHF vibes from them, they're re-evaluating and having a solvy tone + mindset imo

SB9 - I think overall their play is similar to large normal 229, I may be pocketed by defense of my slot though, but scum!them can just be opportunistic and hop on the train

Ban Hydras - Tone is very good, I think the bouncing and treating thread as hydra PT is rather town, why does scum hydra need to list reads even in a hydra PT

jjh - ascetic claim backed by mastina, because of claim im willing to give this a pass

EchoVision - hostility towards April is prob out of scum range, generally shows townie emotions, asking people to join their vote and form their preferred wagon

Tayl0r Swift - I kindaaaa actually think this is rather town? being rational about how gamma was a bad push and ban hydras was a bad CW spews town to me

Titus / A50 / Nero are quite meta-town, and generally there's nothing in there that sticks out and pings me

THE NULL ZONE

everyone not listed in scum-land or town-land. I just can't sort you yet.

THE SCUM ZONE

Chemist - gave off ZERO townvibes and pred wanted to policy hydras instead of having a scumhunting mindset.

April Ludgate - this is FL alt. I find menal and mastina pushes reeeeally weird and their push on me alongside MM could be partnership. Claim was... passable but I'm reluctant to give them a townpass for it having seen the pitfalls of PR worship

DrDolittle - no solving mindset nor effort, coasting along, matches scum meta ("let this town eat itself" was one of their posts in scum PT in our scumgame)

ALMOST LOCK SCUM ZONE

MM - twilight play = close to scumclaim, all-round scumbucket, attempted deflect onto me. nuke this slot now.

Bell -

I know town!bell, this isn't town!bell.

it's being lazy, it's being cautious, it's low efforting, it's shitposting about setup spec.
For some reason they keep casually scumclaiming which is explicitly *NOT* in their towngame. not at all.
Bell obviously low efforts at gamestart, and says its because they're in many games. a busy town makes naked votes and not fully developed reads with their limited time. A busy scum use it as an excuse for lurking.
when mastina starts SR on them they literally respond with a "BoP" vote on mastina, and saying that mastina's trajectory is artificial without a single bit of explanation. then when mastina starts townreading them they TR mastina back???? and shift to leading wagon gamma. this is not a real trajectory at all and is shifting reads to fit the situation.
SR on nerocain unexplained, without a vote, while still subtly encouraging the gamma wagon. One of the most common scumtells is scum will make SRs, but town want other town to vote their SRs, and I just don't see that from bell.

@Mastina I've got no clue how you can see the "content" from bell, I think its reasonable to assume pressured scum would conjure up some content.
Bell is even more of a scumbucket than Morning. nuke this as well.

VOTE: Bell

[shellyc]

Is Shelly an alt?

nah

I'll quote when you sr'd menal when i get back to laptop

[shellyc]

Why are we voting??? Plus still has to confirm this he could very well soft inno her

plus confirm me as town thanks

[shellyc]

Shelly were you visited last night? The answer may clear you.

no, I was not visited last night. (at least I did not receive any PM from the mod that indicates that I have been visited)

[shellyc]

Yep. I’m dead serious. Mass claim. Day 2. Let’s do it now, every slot.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

no i will not fullclaim yet
but im not vigi

[shellyc]

I think my action on shelly didn't go through but only she knows for sure. I need a harf confirmation or deconfirmation

ok so guessing loyal FN / loud visitor

you were blocked, or I was stopped
im not ascetic at all

[shellyc]

On the other side of the spectrum I have Chemist1422/TheGoldenParadox/DiamondSentinel as my top 3 suspects (the last 3 votes on Gamma, btw)

I can buy this

bell is still scum tho

either cant joint with town 3p or just straight out scum

[shellyc]

yes im town

not 3p not scum

[shellyc]

He claimed disloyal or loyal something.
If he's disloyal, then the action on you fails if you're town.
If he's loyal, the action fails if you're scum.

i don't get notified whether plus checked me though unless plus is loud or an FN.

I buy plus claim though, checking me is sensible given I've creamed them as scum multiple times
can you give me a list of who claimed what and who is 3p

[shellyc]

math gives off townvibes

ok solve is in {Bell, MM, DDL, Chemist, Pickaxe, April(?), TGP}

[shellyc]

didnt read the pedits
but i hate being conftown

you just get 0 interactions at all and that sucks

[shellyc]

now where was the latest vc

I wanna look at the votes on me

im pretty sure {April MM} contains >1 scum

pedit: ehhhh convince me on SS, why is that scum

[shellyc]

SS ISO isn't spicy at all

but tbh, GTH that's more scum!AI

[shellyc]

ok shelly is conf town
i checked shelly cuz paranoia but mainly vca from her predecessor

This isn’t conf town.

This is assuming you are town, Shelley is town or made the 50/50 guess correctly with her teammates. It’s also a lot easier to lie and say she got nothing than something.

so you are implying that someone online is scum

or that im smart but just treat me as newb tbh

[shellyc]

my full role is odd night disloyal alignment cop inventor.
on odd nights i can target someone. if they aren't town they become a cop

best off giving the masons cop abilities

its not fully useless there's gotta be a protective

[shellyc]

This is assuming you are town, Shelley is town or made the 50/50 guess correctly with her teammates.

It's not even 50/50. If she's scum and got something and she knows you're either loyal or disloyal, then obviously she knows you're disloyal and should claim she didn't get anything.

SS there's a flaw in this

im town

[shellyc]

the majority of players will be town

. everyone is multitasking. private topics will generally always be open. there is no redirection. if you can think of something similar to redirection, it's probably not in this. this is also generally unlike a role madness game - plenty of people will be vanilla or almost vanilla.

roles will flip with their name and alignment, with clarifications added for certain unfamiliar things.

makes me think some (?) masons arent masons and there is no traditional scum

[shellyc]

TGP what is your read on SS and Bell

pedit: yeah, but X isn't correct

[shellyc]

uh who is clear? shelly is still only clear based on plusjoy's claim and theres no reason to think plusjoy's claim should be believed. plusjoy just made himself a target without actually creating any cops. and between 6 masons and a cop inventor and a tracker and a public cop its starting to look like a LOT of town power. something stinks.

shady tone, can we all use occam's, -1 townpoint

pedit: what makes you TR me? since you don't believe the claim from plus.

[shellyc]

my read on ss is pretty clear: i don't think they're town at all, they've scumslipped and just generally seem to be giving off quite scummy vibes instead of the attempts to solve i would expect

bell is pretty scummy as well but that slot is eh for me it could go either way

tbh i'm just trying to wrap my head around the dual hailstorm and gaping hole of information and i'm not doing well at it my brain is fried

ehhhhhhhhh

TGP/SS are not s/s? TGP/Bell could be s/s

this is a scumpost imo

[shellyc]

idrt thats a scumslip from S_S, wrong wincon wording can be from town
90% of "scumslips" come from town btw

[shellyc]

if she's scum, she knows there's either a loyal or a disloyal modifier. since she must have received something, and she knows that plusjoyed isn't aligned with her, she would say she didn't receive anything

there's a flaw
if its scum!me + loyal mod I would not have gotten anything

[shellyc]

Hardly, the resistance to townfirm shelly is a tell in a way. No one highlighted these problems before. Now that the results are in, there's a flaw with the process. That's telling.

+1

some masons are probably the "scum"

math is solvy and is evaluating me in a more objective way than TGP and SS who are just binning me away
if y'all hate my vote aorn im willing to compromise in TGP SS

[shellyc]

It's not even 50/50. If she's scum and got something and she knows you're either loyal or disloyal, then obviously she knows you're disloyal and should claim she didn't get anything.

= mechanically I am more likely to be scum

[shellyc]

TS just townpings, theres nothing in there that makes me scumdar go off and overall I think tone is more proactive than scum!them

[shellyc]

I want Titus to neighborize someone they townread so the win con is public.

i volunteer

[shellyc]

just hoods sound cool and i wanna try being in one and I'll not lurk so yeah

plus there is no guarantee of tp, but with the not mason theory it sounds plausible
im in not masons camp btw

[shellyc]

None of this generic “i side with town crap” I want specifics.

what do you want from me
I have clearly stated I am at {Bell, MM, DDL, Chemist, Pickaxe, April(?), TGP, SS} with 4-5 scum

im on plus, math, TS, jjh, nero prob!town
I'll explain on each one if you want

[shellyc]

meta town, nothing that pings in your iso, overall the gamestate framing nero/taylor as TvS doesnt sit right with me, DS vote is going against the grain unlike scum who can just shade me

[shellyc]

april is someone i disagree heavily with

they also arent that proactive

[shellyc]

cool. you do know that I'm 3p though right? How does it make you feel when Math and April and Pete are trying to throw doubt on my group and kinda see if there's interest there to lynch us when you know that I'm playing my town game?

idrt math/april/pete all scum, and I SR pete rather hard atm

[shellyc]

which group of 3p are you

this is so damn confusing can someone make a list of who is 3p and who is not

[shellyc]

nero, titus, mastina is group 1

a50, sb and ??? is group 2

hot take i dislike the a50 and sb group more
just mastina nero titus are all so town

I left out mastina in my TRs mastina's constantly being proactive and re-evaluating, tone is good

[shellyc]

plus, math, TS, jjh, nero, mastina, titus are town

a50 sb are ??????????? weird 3p

[shellyc]

Nero Titus and Mastina are literally claimed 3P

nero does your 3p have the town wincon because i thought they had

[shellyc]

I still really wanna exe SS or TGP or JJH.

sell me on jjh

ascetic claims more often than not town imo

[shellyc]

we can win with town, yes

What is your full wincon?

[shellyc]

@jjh talk to me, do you like my PoE

inactivity is a lazy way to SR people fwiw

math when did you start TR on me

[shellyc]

Bell is a scumbucket but im fine with pivoting to {DDL, SS, TGP}

norway are you in the shelly town camp

[shellyc]

can you all take a few minutes to read bells ISO and tell me where they're townposting

they're fluffposting, afraid to take stances (when their towngame is rather paranoid), reads are without much reasoning or aim to become wagon, and basically are IIoA'ing a ton as well

[shellyc]

ok norway read bell's ISO now and tell me what you think of bell i give you 5 mins ok thanks

norway im slight red on you and you'll be up in scum category if you don't pass this test

[shellyc]

I’m mod confirmed not scum.

wait you are lol

*scrolls back*
i hate myself

[shellyc]

is the army a 3p or actually scum since it's yellow and not red

still would like you to answer this

ok norway read bell's ISO now and tell me what you think of bell i give you 5 mins ok thanks

[shellyc]

Titus-Mastina-Menalque is the working solve

all of this is wrong

im treating the titus mastin nero 3p as "town"

[shellyc]

ok norway can be in town-land as well confirmed town (or not army at least)

join me on bell norway, but im fine if you force me to compromise on DDL/S_S/TGP

[shellyc]

and im definitely fine with compromising on MM as well

basically im ok with voting anywhere in my PoE

[shellyc]

If you could stop ignoring the post that says for irl reasons I’m not doing great I’d appreciate it.

fine but
busy town: naked votes, undeveloped reads
busy scum: use that as an excuse

I'll give you slightly more of a pass but the actual content in that ISO does not please me

[shellyc]

VOTE: DDL

[shellyc]

Bell suffers from bussing syndrome

looking to make this a real wagon

[shellyc]

Fine. But later when s-s turns out to be scum I told you so.

dodging responsibility for the elimination, no town motivation, no interest in who is going to be elim'd

[shellyc]

I’m not sure what ddl will flip because I’m town this game.

Why should I buy your LAMIST

[shellyc]

Are you saying you scumread Bell a lot but you’re fine with DDL because Bell voting there is a bussing vote?

yeeeeeeeeah

[shellyc]

Was I not bussing S_S.
My bus was derailed.

im conflicted on the S_S Sr because its rather conditional to town!you but individually i think they're a fine compromise

[shellyc]

I've very strong reason, given what I know of the setup, to doubt this claim and believe it to be fake. (Or if not fake, a scum PR. But, very much not a town one.)

hmmmmmm

reading through that wall: mastina you're my soulmate

[shellyc]

well except the taylor part

talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum

[shellyc]

They've been a conftown read of mine the majority of the game and nothing has transpired to make me think otherwise; to the contrary, everything reinforces and reaffirms that read.

i got cleared by plus, apparently the Odd-Night Disloyal Cop-Inventor

[shellyc]

You two aren't helping the case for you being poe scum by the way since both of your openings are the sort that scum would do.

+1

mastina is my new favourite player

[shellyc]

talk to me about taylor why is that slot scum

why is morning town

swap morning -> taylor and that's my solve

[shellyc]

I am pretty sure this wouldn't be the first MBOS game to feature a scum doublekill mechanic, so it's possible scum killed both Menalque and Ban Hydras.

if scum have double kill power, that would make sense with all the 6 masons being "town", a public cop, a cop inventor giving to the masons, and a tracker, and a protective or something

pedit: ive been SR on April since forever

[shellyc]

(It is looking like Bell is the fourth scum by the way.)

this game is close to solved

we need to consolidate on one of {APRIL, BELL, DDL}

these three are probably just the solve
{TGP, S_S, Morning, Chemist} contain at least 1 scum imo

[shellyc]

And so can I, tho I'd have preferred this not be shared publicly.

though i heavily TR everyone in here

1) is it true that you are a 3p
2) what's your full wincon

[shellyc]

im completely not sold on taylor, i've got no explanation as to why taylor is scum, taylor is often SR'd and they have proactive vibes this game imo

im definitely up for April DDL Bell MM
im fine with Chemist Pickaxe TGP S_S

I believe 4-5 are in the 8 I mentioned

[shellyc]

if DDL is scum does that make his vote on Taylor not scum?

yes, which is another reason to TR taylor, DDL dislikes bussing if I recall correctly

@anyone
why is taylor scum

[shellyc]

I really want to see what Mastina thinks. Mastina while great at scum isn’t the best liar.

Okay, this is me not lying:

I have VERY good setup based reasons to believe that April Ludgate's roleclaim is complete and utter bullshit.

Feel like this was important enough to emphasize so that people who skim/skip my catchup posts find it harder to ignore, because yes; this IS important.

April Ludgate is basically guiltied scum, so we have a free D2 scum lynch to pair with our D1 scum lynch.

seeing that mastina is rather obvtown

VOTE: April

get DDL tmr though

[shellyc]

@Mastina i would still like to hear your taylor scumcase and MM towncase please

flip DDL tomorrow, then get bell = profit 4 scum elims back to back

[shellyc]

*eyebrows arching*
groupscum = april/bell almost confscum with the interactions

So does that mean there's an scum traitor in the Miller hood maybe?

that's bastard

[shellyc]

i read it. They said setup reasons they couldn't elaborate on? That could be a lot of things. he was right on the motion from titus. plus muh townblock
I'm not trusting Titus's side/mastina as much as A50's side. I think there might be something going on there that's not necessarily protown.
I wanna go bell today
VOTE: bell

Kill bell gang

Who’s opposed to killing bell actually

[shellyc]

Everyone who is reading the thread

Like yeah the April wagon is on but does anyone even TR bell

[shellyc]

Math vs mastina Titus is clearly a TvT shitfight over random setup spec

[shellyc]

Mastina if your hood is informed and the info is useful and you’re protown why don’t you just out it considering you win with us

[shellyc]

o some extent there actually is tho.

Don’t you like, win with town and have an impossible wincon

[shellyc]

Math

If you don’t like mastina approach do you think they’re just anti town or scum fakeclaiming

Because this obviously isn’t a fakeclaim

If you know mastina to be “town” why do you shitfight with them

[shellyc]

Mastina i would still like to hear a MM towncase as well

[shellyc]

hurt placeholder votes anyone?

hot take all three are scum

VOTE: Norway
HURT: DDL

[shellyc]

oh and mastina MUST explain april flipping green ASAP

or if nero can explain i'd like you to do it. now.

[shellyc]

shelly, do u bus as scum?

im capable of both bussing/not bussing, but usually i prefer distancing/bussing

[shellyc]

I disagree with Nero on the reads. I would lynch Pere first, then jjh927 then DDL.

im DDL > pete > jjh

my hot take is that all three are scum
DDL is straight out playing like large 229
jjh is lurking
im sorta sheeping titus on pete + pete iso is reeeeally icky with little-to-no proactivity

[shellyc]

titus who did you neighbourise yesterday

[shellyc]

I hold the (prob) unpopular theory that a DDL flip is a waste of our action and that your "they are all scum!" is incredibly lazy.

eh its not THAT lazy

{lurkers, reactive playstyles}
i have a slight theory that doesn't make that much sense, I'll sleep on it and get back to this

[shellyc]

playing on the premier site to play mafia is enticing

i wonder how pissed off scum are for not shooting us and just letting us dole out powers.

another hot theory for this
scum might not even have a nightkill (cult or redirection????) and there's an SK

[shellyc]

im ok.

DDL is prob scum yeah.

didn't you just say my DDL SR was lazy

what is this inconsistency

[shellyc]

im ok.

DDL is prob scum yeah.

didn't you just say my DDL SR was lazy

what is this inconsistency

no i said scum reading all 3 is lazy and chain lynchy.

do you think me saying that is scummy or just lazy

[shellyc]

can you talk to me about how Pete is different this game than 229?

oh i said DDLs play is similar to 229 not pete

pete's iso is more point-finger-y and reactive than a proactive and solving mindset

[shellyc]

okaaaaaaaay
mastina hood is town

did schadd go crazy and give that hood so much info this might lead to a town stomp relying on mastinas info alone

[shellyc]

i think pete is quite a convergent player i.e. similar as town and scum

[shellyc]

like in terms of posting neither are immediately obvtown but reading through 229 it feels like Pete is doing a bit more spiritually? and here they're just coasting around?

[shellyc]

Moving on
am I scum yet.

most likely yes

[shellyc]

Looks like everyone thinks it's DDL.

I do not disagree. Though would like to note that Schadd said at least 1. So there could be two or more in that list.
I don't know how much I should be trusting the self-proclaimed 3rd party town block. This game could be easy or we could be on the cusp of being mowed down.

this is such a fence-sitty post it hurts

what i want you to do is obvtown or I'll be deathtunnelling

[shellyc]

jjh is, mechanically, incredibly likely to be town here, to the point of being almost conftown levels of town.

why is JJH town

i dont even remember JJH's avatar which shows how low presence they are

[shellyc]

i hacked into the scum pt it is:

shelly slot posts less than 10 posts today

[shellyc]

*hood pt not scum pt but eh

bell the mastina hood is town
even tho they seem to be incredibly TMI'd (in a good way?)

[shellyc]

Looks like everyone thinks it's DDL.

I do not disagree. Though would like to note that Schadd said at least 1. So there could be two or more in that list.
I don't know how much I should be trusting the self-proclaimed 3rd party town block. This game could be easy or we could be on the cusp of being mowed down.

this is such a fence-sitty post it hurts

what i want you to do is obvtown or I'll be deathtunnelling

Where's the fence?

Also, that's depressing and makes a lot of sense Shelly. I guess if I were you, I would try to force the super obv town who has a style geared toward obvious towning to always be going 100%.

But like, I can't. It's tiring and I wanna live life sometimes.

"looks like everyone think its DDL" = stating the consensus without giving a clear stance, Bell doesn't disagree with that but doesn't do anything to push there
IIoA in two or more
shading the hood which has been confirmed by the IC

[shellyc]

my scumread on Bell also has been augmented by [redacted]

and hi jjh are you scum
i'ld be happy to give a tl;dr but i want your thoughts on bell/pete slots mainly

[shellyc]

I said I do not disagree, which is another way of saying I agree. Also, didn't I vote DDL earlier.
So obviously I don't disagree. The heck Shelly.

wait
you voted ddl

[shellyc]

I said I do not disagree, which is another way of saying I agree. Also, didn't I vote DDL earlier.
So obviously I don't disagree. The heck Shelly.

wait
you voted ddl

ohhhhh that happened yesterday, I control f'd hurt tags in your iso and forgot about yesterday genuinely

[shellyc]

Nope
I don't have thoughts there yet other than obviously that pete has over 50% likelihood to be scum

I think I liked Bell day 1 but can't remember that long ago rn

who is scum in there if you're not

[shellyc]

Hopefully there's a reason people were voting norwee just?

we're voting to give someone a 1s BP, norway is IC

[shellyc]

If I were scum I would not be posting at 2:38 Am.
Because I would be worried about slipping.

bell you're alt right

do you have any scumgames

[shellyc]

bell whats up with that 180

aside from mech what do you think makes shelly town

[shellyc]

Do you think that, with a scum 1x alien and a town Odd-night Disloyal Alignment Cop Inventor, that schadd_ in addition to the 1x alien gives scum an ascetic to further limit the number of possible guilties?

there are 6 masons-ish so I *could* see scum ascetic
tho im terrible at setup spec

[shellyc]

reading through the open you seem to be solving 0%

the meta doesn't make me straight out TR you but maaaaaaybe a little better

[shellyc]

bell whats up with that 180

aside from mech what do you think makes shelly town

There are mechanical reasons you're town this game?

i was plus check and didn't receive anything

[shellyc]

its not a hard clear at all but im more likely to be town than not for that

[shellyc]

Your approach seems more on the level here than the other games in terms of communication style. Rather I feel kind of like there's less fuzz between your text voice talking to me and your alignment.

Yeah, don't ask me either. I don't know what it means. Just enjoy that Bell town recognized ShellyC and maybe gave one of the scum team a minor headahe because the reason's were bad.

ok

this is a town post
i think scum bell doesn't TR me for a weird as heck reason and pov of 4512 is prob!town
im gonna read the bell iso again

[shellyc]

Alright i finished reading the hood.
This game should be a win if we just don't paranoia eliminate any of the hood members and just go for the scummy outsiders. That's the challenge here, scum will probably be trying all they can to suggest the non-town town alligned groups are evil 3P's that cannot be trusted as this is the only way for them to win.

so... are you implying maths "masons are scum" approach comes from scum and we should get math?

[shellyc]

CULTS ARE BASTARD AND NOT HERE

[shellyc]

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

[shellyc]

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

why is mm mech conftown i did not read some of this thread

[shellyc]

i think for that alone, I'm more comfortable with a shelly-elim today though.

me: scumreads supposedly conftown because someone's been spamming the heck of of the thread
MM: shelly is scum

...

[shellyc]

BM when did you start liking the use of exclamation marks.

can you just tell me why you're conftown for once. thanks.

[shellyc]

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

I'm mech conftown though 2 players can definitely confirm i'm town, and for some reason another 3/4 players are also doing so.

So good luck with that!

why is mm mech conftown i did not read some of this thread

im not sure if we'd been outted yet (so my bad if not, i got over-excited ) but it doesn't matter in the context of the game now. We're part of the mason group, so A50 knows we are town.

Apologies.

DS/math bumped up officially

[shellyc]

DDL, Chemist, Pete, S_S, TGP, Math, DS

in terms of scumminess ^

[shellyc]

Also, A50 hood is trustworthy too.

I am town

A50 Superbowl MM Mastina Titus Nero Norway conftown

JJH is mastina TR

rereading the DS ISO, it's eh. not scummy, but not spweing town either. because atm the pool is so small they're gonna be floating in it, but at the top.
math > DS in terms of scumminess 100000%

[shellyc]

Would you be OK if I executed Bell and let you wagon DDL tomorrow?

yes im fine

[shellyc]

I'm just kinda...idk wow. IDK what to really think. I can get behind the idea that players would be paranoid of two 3p groups working together but I mean there are 4 factions here.

the society
growliths health industry or w/e the fuck a50's group is
king didi's army

and town


so it just boggles my mind what people actually think this setup is.

lmaoooooo the names of the factions

pedit: ON EVERY SCUM LYNCH LOL
I love this game

[shellyc]

im caught up

nero what do you think of the TGP slot

[shellyc]

Hey did you ever answer my question? I am catching up so bear with me.

what question sorry

[shellyc]

@shellyc I am looking for the answer to this since you’re caught up

Chemist DDL pete S_S TGP

this is like a PoE basically
chemist pred was complaining hydras vs scumhunting, and chemist has not even tried to further the game at all
DDL is playing like large 229 (scum!them)
pete is just being really bland and lacking any proactiveness at all
S_S isn't scumhunting and focusing on mech is a good way to get townpoints
TGP play is really consensus-y overall

[shellyc]

Do you think some synergize as a team more?

yeeeeeeeeeeeah not much antipartnery things within those 5

[shellyc]

I think DS is the type of scum player where we would know he’s scum

can you back that up with anything

[shellyc]

For reasons I will not discuss I am retracting my SR on Bell.

[shellyc]

If it doesn’t then we obviously have a problem, and the 3P’s will probably be given the side eye if they are still alive, but for now when given the choice between "obviously evil faction" and "town-siding group" i think it’s pretty freaking obvious where we should be putting our main focus.

That’s the thing. Talking Nero/Titus/Shelly(? I’m on mobile so I can’t verify, but I’m not 100%), Nero is 100% acting antitown here with zero consistency and coherency in his posts, Titus is a known manipulator who loves to to control the narrative, and then the rest is whatever.

We

can’t

take this faction as “pro-town” because we have

literally zero real evidence to suggest that they are

I am not 3p I AM TOWN

[shellyc]

DS probs in the scumpool as well due to Poe + I dislike the shading and discrediting

[shellyc]

I'm gonna make a bold guess and say I think only 1 of those 3 listed by the Mod is scum. otherwise this game is broken as hell, and if it's a scum-driven requirement, they would almost certainly do 1 scum, 2 town. So if we flip scum within that trio, I'm ok with giving the others a pass for the time being. If we assume A50 aint gonna kill a mason, here's my readslist:

Would most shoot:

TheGoldenParadox - red flag interaction with Gamma-scum
DrDoLittle - too much buddying with Gamma-scum throughout, and within mod's scumpool.
Pickaxe Pete - not a great ISO at all, and within the mod's scumpool.
Bell - i just read ISO. definitely reads as informed minority who knew Gamma was scum (hence a regular smattering of distancing throughout Day 1 without really pushing his elim), and knew April was town (decidedly unconvinced about the whole thing, but not really pushing for a save or any alternative).
Tayl0r Swift - moderate gut feeling she is scum this game, due to gamma interplay.
shellyc - Predecessor was very scummy.
jjh927 - this guy has been lurky as hell, so i can't really say scummy. but he was here since the start and has an award for "best replacement". lurkerscum?
MathBlade - good player, overall has felt town, feels slightly less town today for reasons. I was more bought into him being town when he was tunnelled on the masons, now I'm less sold.
Chemist1422 - pretty null, i'll go town by PoE I guess.
DiamondSentinel - blindly attacking the masons, which would be very dumb as scum, as explained above.
Something_Smart - understands how this game works, even if scum, for goodness sake don't shoot this guy, we need his knowledge.

Would least shoot:

TS is bleeding green and idk why nobody else sees it
they're spiritually interested in solving while being town taylor who is less of a tryhard.

MM, what we have to do in that trio is outWIFOM the scum. I doubt its 1 scum 2 town if scum picked it tbh. if the one scum gets flipped, town will just ignore the others thus losing out on chainlynching

[shellyc]

Bell - i just read ISO. definitely reads as informed minority who knew Gamma was scum (hence a regular smattering of distancing throughout Day 1 without really pushing his elim), and knew April was town (decidedly unconvinced about the whole thing, but not really pushing for a save or any alternative).

Bell felt eh at first given their ability to obvtown but:

there's OOG things that impact that slots ability to give content but i feel like their reaction towards my pressure + [redacted] makes town!bell

[shellyc]

i mean you were literally doing the same until you got called out though...

what did I ever shade and discredit

I have been a sound believer in that the 6 3ps are protown since I joined this game

[shellyc]

I very slightly read DS as town.

i'm inclined to agree, only because it makes no sense for him as scum to be out on a limb like he is. I know some will say that maybe he's doing it precisely to get townread, but in a game like this where there isn't much emphasis on reads/scumhunting, and somebody just got elimmed for arguing against the masons, and a mason is unilaterally choosing the elim today it seems unlikely.

so we're going DS-town

why is blindly shading the masons ever protown
do you think that's tstbs

[shellyc]

Bell towntold btw if he’s scum he’s not helping his team so you can townblock him

can you elaborate a bit further than this

assuming we're not nuking the masons I would go
DrDoLittle
Pickaxe Pete
Chemist1422
TGP
Something_Smart/DiamondSentinel
jjh927
MathBlade
Tayl0r Swift/Bell

[shellyc]

i agree on less of a tryhard point for taylor. the rest i disagree.

MM i believe you're protown aligned and due to not wanting to spam the thread I'm gonna agree to disagree

also where is MT can you guys sign posts

[shellyc]

I very slightly read DS as town.

i'm inclined to agree, only because it makes no sense for him as scum to be out on a limb like he is. I know some will say that maybe he's doing it precisely to get townread, but in a game like this where there isn't much emphasis on reads/scumhunting, and somebody just got elimmed for arguing against the masons, and a mason is unilaterally choosing the elim today it seems unlikely.

so we're going DS-town

why is blindly shading the masons ever protown
do you think that's tstbs

i didnt say it was protown. i said i thought it made him more likely town. and i literally explained why in the post you quoted, so i dont know why you're asking me to repeat it??

yeah. that actively opposing them is town because its too bold of a scum play. but I can def see DS going with that approach to farm towncred and this is like. half a poe read.

[shellyc]

This thread just IMPLODED again

Is this just masons are scum all over again

[shellyc]

Ngl all this spam from math about this is making me super apathetic about this game

[shellyc]

I have a feeling the hoods will be good. Just pretend they don’t exist except for reads.

A lot of this mechanics is noise.

Just pretend it’s vanilla.

Yeah good but how did you get to this from your maths vs mason

[shellyc]

there was alot of ms vs. math and then me and later ppl vs. S_S


a50 says to claim or die

I’m not opposed to SS but eh... it’s not my first choice and we should exe in that pool

[shellyc]

i miss things and have been phoneposting for the last 48 hours

ShellyC claim your role ASAP

I'm vt

[shellyc]

i'm claiming gossippee, i target a player and get told how many actions targeted them that night and get a reaction to it

night 1 i targeted titus and was told one person visited her but the result (which i will fullclaim as soon as i double check that i can) didn't seem to match up with april's claim

my n2 has info that's probably better not outing until a massclaim or something happens

as for reads i have not fully caught up on the day but jjh saying "i'll post more during the weekend" and then not posting makes me uncomfy

chemist claim is fine

eh if you elim me it shrinks down the poe which is good. I'm moving DS up into my solve. It's DS/TGP/S_S/DDL/Pete.

This solve is majorly PoE, works fine together as well
TGP has been scummy all round. imo, scum!them don't have their heart in it and it's rather obvious.
S_S is refusing to scumhunt basically. mechtalk all you want but mech itself doesn't just Solve The Game
DDL is a scumbucket 100% and scum lurking is their strategy
Pete is not doing anything protown at all, their posts are fluff
DS is there because of poe

[shellyc]

Unless Chemist claim is false. Doesn't look fabricated with the name and the niche result but the lack of info outed isn't great

[shellyc]

If A50 plans to shoot in the trio he said imho shoot Shelly for the way she claimed and this post by TGP.

it will narrow down the PoE further

yeah I'm not trying to live because there's a slim chance that I do + my WIM for this game has dropped to an all-time low. Just Stick With The Plan and The Solve

I didn't *intentionally* miss the things telling me to claim. If I was scum do I stall it out only to come back with a VT claim.

[shellyc]

Imho yes. I think your desire is low due to the 3P claims

I've been an avid supporter of them since forever

It's how this thread implodes each day + idk I am just not feeling this game for some reason and it feels solved yet is not going full steam ahead at all?

[shellyc]

eh if you elim me it shrinks down the poe which is good. I'm moving DS up into my solve. It's DS/TGP/S_S/DDL/Pete.

This solve is majorly PoE, works fine together as well
TGP has been scummy all round. imo, scum!them don't have their heart in it and it's rather obvious.
S_S is refusing to scumhunt basically. mechtalk all you want but mech itself doesn't just Solve The Game
DDL is a scumbucket 100% and scum lurking is their strategy
Pete is not doing anything protown at all, their posts are fluff
DS is there because of poe

at least 3 scum are in my solve imo. I will flip VT but I am ready to die.

[shellyc]

good luck town if A50 shoots me! The PoE is really small, I've got faith in you guys (that was a PoE not a solve)

[shellyc]

U sound kinda LAMISTY Shelly.

do you think I'm lamisty as scum

yes that was lamisty, I'm rolling with that, I don't care if you call me lamisty, that's my final wish for town to finish off this game

[shellyc]

I tend to think she wouldn’t slack off if scum here.

i wouldn't usually slack off as town but I'm really apathetic and kinda helpless really that I'm on a cliff and am ready to be pushed off

I will answer any last questions now if you wish nero

[shellyc]

Was she lamisty/atey in 229?

I'm thinking more of mini normal 2168.

i was the opposite of lamist that game imo

it was a bit of a scumrange expansion testing in I tried to actively push things and take a lot of strong actions which was pretty successful imo

[shellyc]

Wait, why do you even think you’re gunna die.

didn't A50 want to execute between chemist me taylor

i don't think A50s the kind of person to execute a claimed PR.

[shellyc]

When Hectic and Duppin was pushing u?

that was endgame

its unelimmable or unlimmable. but I feel like this game is stalling out. hard to explain. I've high efforted and I've given my final reads. What do you want me to do?

[shellyc]

shelly, I've said that the mod has told our hood that scum was 5 players. We've eliminated Gamma so they are now @ 4. Why is your POE 5 players? Do you not believe me?

my poe is 5 players because if one of them flips town the other is scum.

DS is prob the "backup" there

[shellyc]

at least one of the following players is in King Doris Donatello's Army:
shellyc
Tayl0r Swift
TheGoldenParadox

ummmmmmmm

tgp probscum
pete still scum

[shellyc]

All three of the names in the list should claim imo.

Vanilla Townie

[shellyc]

i believe you shelly. now, what do you think of Bell and Mathblade?

math: townlean since forever, the trajectory of doubting the masons -> believing the masons is pretty nice, nothing much pings there
bell: used to scumlean but for reasons I will not discuss it has been weakened. if there's a spot missing in my poe they'll go there, iso isn't the most spicy

[shellyc]

TGP/S_S/Taylor Swift/Pete

solved

[shellyc]

i believe you shelly. now, what do you think of Bell and Mathblade?

math: townlean since forever, the trajectory of doubting the masons -> believing the masons is pretty nice, nothing much pings there
bell: used to scumlean but for reasons I will not discuss it has been weakened. if there's a spot missing in my poe they'll go there, iso isn't the most spicy

why can't you discuss the reasons? site rules, or something else?

*nods*

[shellyc]

lol

[shellyc]

this reminds me of another game where we yeeted confscum without them realising why

[shellyc]

TGP/S_S/Taylor Swift/Pete

[shellyc]

VOTE: Pete

thought i did that earlier

[shellyc]

doesnt matter if lolhammer scumpool is too small this is solved i trust the hoods

[shellyc]

And Asia doesn’t celebrate Halloween I don’t think.

it does?

VOTE: TGP

[shellyc]

im town

as i said its TGP/S_S/Taylor

chemist takes over if one of this is wrong
unless this is setting up a chainlynch on TGP and TGP is town (I don't see that yet) and its S_S/taylor/chemist

[shellyc]

math hardpushing me is ehhh??

I think I kind of have to start thinking out of the box given scum are clearly trying to miselim me today. TGP/S_S/Taylor is the easiest solve but I don't see scum!taylor at all through the posting and. I'm still not fully buying chemist claim

[shellyc]

And Asia doesn’t celebrate Halloween I don’t think.

it does?

VOTE: TGP

well it is tomorrow in asia

no it was yesterday. learn your timezones.

me being 10 minutes off my usual posting time isn't scummy at all btw.

[shellyc]

im town

as i said its TGP/S_S/Taylor

chemist takes over if one of this is wrong
unless this is setting up a chainlynch on TGP and TGP is town (I don't see that yet) and its S_S/taylor/chemist

How did you get there? Let me pretend you’re town.

ah.

because of the namelists TGP is scum
S_S has done no solving at all and has been plain lazy throughout
taylor/chemist is a coinflip but knowing the masons have mech info scum might be afraid to claim a tpr?? im not fully buying it yet but its more on the town side

[shellyc]

Where in Asia you @ shelly?

i live in hong kong

mastina kill also makes sense because mastina was TR of my pred a lot

[shellyc]

i feel like a small fish in a big pond being pushed by the informed minority

pedit: bell i skimmed all your posts because you're rather obvious town

[shellyc]

bell is a lot more. uh. earnest compared to the scumgames, if scum were planning to chainlynch me the TR from bell of me yesterday makes no sense and because of [redacted]

[shellyc]

I could imagine a scenario where Bell and Math hard bus their scum buddy. Thus Sheely is right that she's being pushed by scum.

Math being so confident and trying to rush is pretty bad and Bell mocking her is equally bad.

1) Him
2) no. I get you know I am good scum. But not even I would be that brazen.

one of my scum strengths (at least imo) is 1v1ing and I think scum!me wins that duel against TGP
there's no need for scum to bus me, and no need for scum!me to be brash and lolhammer pete

[shellyc]

She did directly try to paint me as a deep wolf last game tho. This time she's just insinuating it if's she's scum instead of saying that part out loud.

bell you're town

just too paranoid

[shellyc]

Well, I'm manipulated.

youre manipulated by the big scary informed minority

oh and btw maths still probtown by virtue of the fight against masons and its totally unnecessary to risk that as scum.

[shellyc]

oh i didnt read those pedits

nero are you SRing math now

[shellyc]

lets get confscum TGP first ok nero?

we can get 3 scumflips in a row that way

[shellyc]

math vote tgp then

if ur confident about tgp scum why are you pushing my slot first instead of tgp? and calling tgp scum without effort to push there at all?

[shellyc]

nero do you really think both me and tgp are town

[shellyc]

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

im an avid fan of the hood still

[shellyc]

oh I can also see a taylor/chemist/math team fwiw

[shellyc]

I get that TGP/Shelly has confirmed scum. But Taylor is acting so scummy in hood i want them dead.

who is in hood now norway

[shellyc]

lets nuke taylor today -> tgp tmr for triple scumflips

deal or no deal

[shellyc]

hot take: TPG and shelly are on both lists to make us want to eliminate them

while it's just a chemist and taylor that are scum on the lists

yeah I had that realisation while doing paperwork just now. i think what math is doing is really chainelim-y.

[shellyc]

why does taylor only pop up when pushed btw

[shellyc]

hood why did you recruit someone that was clearly in the poe? did y'all TR taylor most out of the poe?

[shellyc]

hood why did you recruit someone that was clearly in the poe? did y'all TR taylor most out of the poe?

No, the opposite.

well you just gave away info in the hood freely to scum.

[shellyc]

blame Titus.

Its not all bad, I mean we may miss our wincon but at least town will win so...

didn't you already achieve the "be on 2 scum wagonz"
is there more

[shellyc]

taylor/math/chemist/S_S containing 3/4 is an epic solve. with math trying to chain elim me/TGP without saying it out loud. especially if TGP towns it up.

[shellyc]

im going to be here for the next hour or so, nero you can talk about why taylor is scum now.

pedit: bleep overdefensiveness
major "you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe

[shellyc]

shelly youre better than this misrep crap as town. of course im gonna be frustrated if im getting wagoned for shit reasons. trying to spin my frustration as me being scum is silly.

everyone gets frustrated when wagoned its nai and you just TMI'd that I'm town.

[shellyc]

VOTE: Taylor Swift

"youre better than this misrep crap as town" ah the classic misrepping = town, also assuming that I'm town when I'm doublelisted is 100% TMI

[shellyc]

its very annoying to get wagoned for stuff thats happening in a hood where the people pushing are conftown and dont have to explain anything and i cant explain without outing sensitive info. and they arent engaging me in the PT. instead those two just came here to start saying im scum. and shelly of course hops on. those who know shelly will know that this is classic shelly scum meta.

this is going exactly how I expected it to, pushing chainelim of me -> tgp

[shellyc]

oh and also whats shelly!scum meta lazily sheeping the hood and doing nothing else to manipulate the gamestate?

[shellyc]

its very annoying to get wagoned for stuff thats happening in a hood where the people pushing are conftown and dont have to explain anything and i cant explain without outing sensitive info. and they arent engaging me in the PT. instead those two just came here to start saying im scum. and shelly of course hops on. those who know shelly will know that this is classic shelly scum meta.

this is going exactly how I expected it to, pushing chainelim of me -> tgp

i havent mentioned TGP...

because when I flip town scum!you is forced to basically go after a hypothetical town!tgp.

[shellyc]

oh and also whats shelly!scum meta lazily sheeping the hood and doing nothing else to manipulate the gamestate?

yeah sheeping an incorrect scumread and loudly deathtunneling.

l m a o

I'm gonna stop posting until nero finishes his spotlight

[shellyc]

altslip

MT modded a recent scum!me game, its pretty clear that this clearly isn't scum!me meta-wise, gamestate-wise, if you're in the hood better look at what neros saying

[shellyc]

*if you're with the hood better look at what neros saying

[shellyc]

I'd also recommend being very wary of the "elim Taylor" gambit from the Nero-hood. Suggest it's not a coincidence that she was recruited last night and is now their preferred elim today.

read the thread again please.

Tayl0r was their SR and was recruited for a reason.

[shellyc]

MT believes you're scum - sorry!

mafia is red team vs. green team, no need to apologise for scumreading me.

can MT come on and explain?

[shellyc]

while it's just a chemist and taylor that are scum on the lists

[shellyc]

norway recruit me the next night, i will willingly follow your plan and suicide if you wish

i don't see vig vigging menal at all btw

[shellyc]

MM you're letting scum!taylor go off and pushing it onto town!shelly with your devil-advocate play, as you'll see when I flip, and you've been pretty anti throughout.

/rant

[shellyc]

im frustrated because game is solved and masons have majority, yet MM is now bizzarely trying to give scum the win from the brink of defeat, from my pov

[shellyc]

if we get one more mechclear we just have auto actually and if we hit scum today I think its an autoloss for scum.

[shellyc]

this is not even nearly true by our count.

eh?

there are 13 players and 6 conftowns including norway, you, Superbowl, A50, nero, titus

[shellyc]

where is chemist rn

HURT: chemist dont wanna lolhammer twice