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[shellyc]

however now she seems to claim that i am "conf scum" without elaborating on her claim, this is an inconsistensy that honestly makes no sense. also if I was confirmed scum to her, why would my claim even matter?

I plan this claim since I got the result

I ask you to claim
you say you can only be miller
you're not PR who visited the nightkill

[shellyc]

as scum there is no reason to be vague with a guilty claim other than losing cred...

duppin I withheld the info to make you not get info to make a fakeclaim
you assumed this was a cop guilty and I didn't know about meta = miller claims d1

[shellyc]

lol shelly, i said i could only be miller which i thought was unlikely for you to have any kind of result on me

are you the fucking track miller

[shellyc]

I will rage about this setup if you're really a track miller btw.

can you actually just claim

[shellyc]

nothing else i could have done that could lead you to believe i was scum which was why I said it was a fake claim.

there was nothing which made be believe you're scum, you played very well

but I have a GUILTY on you

[shellyc]

So are you hard commiting to your claim?

yes.

i dislike investigating hard scumreads as TI, as TI your job is to find out who has what alignment, and tracking plus whose hammer was pretty incriminating doesnt help

[shellyc]

I know where you're heading

with this but ehhhhh

I do think massclaiming here is the reasonable play fwiw. but if the consensus is no then nah no massclaim

crumb

[shellyc]

Yeah, exactly, shelly debating and being fearful duppin is a "track miller" is really unnatural, considering duppin is obviously not claiming it and would've said so eons ago. It's not a genuine thought process.

im afraid man

im afraid and paranoid that my guilty isnt really a guilty

[shellyc]

Anyway, yeah, no launch for sure today. Hold off on further claims until tomorrow etc etc

fine

no lynch and i die get duppin
or if its a no kill i'll still say get duppin

[shellyc]

I am hard counterclaiming strong loyal multitasking fruit vendor doctor vigilante cop watcher

tracker

mailman motion detector role cop role watcher psychologist jail keeper neighborizer

this was also a slightly humourous crumb

[shellyc]

ok im going to put my tale into one big wall

so basically i am a night 3 tracker. on night 3 i can track one player and find out who they visited.
I saw plus hammering weirdly and my first instinct ws to believe this absurd move came from scum, but tbh it was pretty tstbs on second thought. i also trust my ability to sort plusjoyed with me able to meta them
UNO is proooobably not partnered with plus with the pushing against redados together
hectic is still towniest here, not a good track
davesaz's pred mini was fine and i think the lack of engagement is kinda +town indicative as scum want to pull strings in lategame

I vagueclaimed in order for duppin to not fakeclaim out of this. so they claimed generic VT as they didnt know what TI I was
I also made this as vague as possible to limit scum getting info.

I then was kinda paranoid about duppin claiming to "might be miller" as the thing that I feared most as a track miller so I paniced
and now duppin is confscum, i realised miller wont claim that late

VOTE: duppin
ugh if y'all want to no elim instead of voting confscum, fine, but when I die this will be proven true. actually from a scum!duppin its best to kill hectic/no kill so they win the 1v1 against me unless their partner is powerwolfing

[shellyc]

shelly stating in a previous post that she'll be nightkilled which would confirm duppin as scum so get him tomorrow is just so, so illogical and bad, I really don't believe town!her thinks that for a second. It's probably just a fabricated thought, just like the 20 others I've noticed but called too scummy to be scum because I'm stupid.

congrats

read my games and you see ive been miselimed d1 for these exact reasons like 3 (?) times in the past week

[shellyc]

*past month

[shellyc]

shelly, did you crumb tracker on day 1/2/3? 2037 does not count for obvious reasons. Do you normally crumb PRs?

Why did you decide to track duppin last night over all of the other options? Dave/Plus/UNOwen is what your scumpool was yesterday.

I have never rolled TPR on this site until this game, i play chat mafia and had not much concept of crumbing

I said before. i think playing TPR is mainly to find out conftown = more valuable than town, and duppin was like a null read since forever for me

[shellyc]

*more valuable than finding scum

i prefer to check my null reads. idk why you think theres no sense in that

[shellyc]

I mean, "track miller", really? That's another fabricated thought process that no town has there.

why is it a fabricated thought process though

im truly afraid that duppin might have been a miller
if scum!me town!duppin why dont i just hardclaim the guilty?

im afraid of being nightkilled as TPR. tbh i have almost 0 idea how to play as TPR

[shellyc]

That's another fabricated thought process that no town has there.

I should compile a list of them across the game.

you love meta right

you know clearly that my scumgame is measured and sensible, maybe even more logical than towngame
towngame is emotional and impulsive and all over the place

do you think me who makes reads and thoughts emotionally = consistent logic
as either alignment it is not easy for me to provide coherency in my thoughts

[shellyc]

shelly, what changed from this stance? Recently, you've been calling UNOwen town for the same reasons I have, but the reasons I'm giving for him being town (voting and associating himself with Noraa) are actually the reasons you thought he was scum before.

im re-evaluating

i reread doggos, noraa talked *around* me a whole bunch but no effort to push with me or sort me
noraa sorts uno and oushes with them together

[shellyc]

I guess shelly could've been bussing Noraa because the gamestate had Noraa at a nearly universal townread, so nothing shelly could've done or said would cause Noraa any harm.

why do I randomly bus a UTR scum

when they're not likely to get flipped

its -ev to bus UTR scum. i am like blatantly obviously not scum with noraa

[shellyc]

shellys scumgame is very good but her towngame is questionable.

lets look back across the game

so if the solve was shelly/noraa/???
I early powerbussed my scum partner for no reason at all
I pushed jackson for the scumslip thing and buried all energy into it
I hard pushed grendel and was arguably the person who led that wagon
plus you know that I do not much as scum in early game. and what is the scum benefit for me to do all of that early d1; to help town solve the game??

im convoluted town. if you think this = my scum meta, if you think I go against the world as scum, think again

[shellyc]

She says "actually" eventually but having the thought in the first place is just... not possible for any townie which thinks about it for more than 2 seconds. There is a claimed guilty, 1 of the two of them is scum. Scum kills the person claiming a guilty on them to confirm themselves as scum??? No. This is not a genuine thought. This is fake bravado which scum like to throw out, like "watch when I die, kill this person" kind of thing.

exactly
as town I dont think twice before I post, really I do stream of consciousnesses a LOT of times

[shellyc]

That's another fabricated thought process that no town has there.

I should compile a list of them across the game.

you love meta right

you know clearly that my scumgame is measured and sensible, maybe even more logical than towngame
towngame is emotional and impulsive and all over the place

do you think me who makes reads and thoughts emotionally = consistent logic
as either alignment it is not easy for me to provide coherency in my thoughts

Really? I thought it was the complete opposite. Your town game is more chill/less aggressive but you have weird reads that get you launched.

Your scum game is really aggressive and a lot more confident, you still have the weird reads but people like them more when it comes with that tone.

i have a conscious effort to make myself more likeable as scum
that is the main core

[shellyc]

very soon you'll have meta about it but I do tunnel as mcuh as scum/town but the way I present the tunneling as town is "GET THIS PERSON NOW STOP VOTING THE OTHER PERSON" and as scum is "hey this guy is scum *newsflash im solving yay go townread me*"

[shellyc]

no

because of site rules

[shellyc]

But you what'd explain that shift? A scum-shelly-partner coaching and teaching her about her signature aggressiveness.

noraa can be aggressive. im gonna redirect you to newbie 2028 where she tunnelled someone for almost the whole day.

I also dont feel qualified enough to coach dayplay at all

[shellyc]

hectic is now confbiased and sees something that is within noraas scumrange and attributes it to a 2020-join-date person who almost singlehandedly lost noraa's first scum game because of a shit role claim...

[shellyc]

Shelly claiming specific N3 tracker is pretty convenient and I agree that it only makes sense as a scum play if she is trying to save dave from death. I have not had a chance to look at her ISO yet but she interacted with Noraa loads and quite aggressively, it's difficult to imagine scum being so confident doing that. Maybe on review my mind will change.

why is UNO fence-sitting again
this is not the first time in the game you have done this

[shellyc]

ugh why am I scumreading both {dave/UNO} equally when There Can Only Be One

[shellyc]

here's why I'm never scum here
if it was shelly/hectic = no elim -> no kill -> get dave
shelly/duppin = obviously impossible
shelly/dave = why dont I just bus dave and win in f4 when my partner is in a worse position than me
shelly/UNO/ = why do I literally agree with Norway's thoughts that last scum is UNO d4. again we just get dave here
shelly/plus = obviously impossible

[shellyc]

How does a 1-shot tracker find conftown when there are presumably two scum left?

slip that theres 3 scum?

I dont think before posting. soft confirms are a thing as well, UNO.

[shellyc]

if i got a result of "xxxx visited nobody" they have a statistically higher chance to be town, so we should not elim them

UNO can you not comment on near-irrelevant things and comment on this
is dave due a prod yet

[shellyc]

I was saying we should don't need to rush the day to an end. I still believe we should not execute, even though the choice is the same whoever dies outside the 1v1 will rule things out for the remaining players.

wait are kills complusive

why are y'all not considering a scum no kill???

[shellyc]

no killing widens the pool for scum and its optimal for scum to no kill. if we no elim and scum no kills we're back to square one.

can we just get duppin now

[shellyc]

And if you get the result "xxxx visited the kill" then they have a near certainty to be scum. I don't see why you would not track someone you were suspicious of in this situation.

i wasnt aware that norway was a TPR, and i read the wiki that tracker's vulnerability is 1) tracking a scum that did not perform the kill and 2) tracking TPR to nightkill
I was more afraid of 2) than 1)

ok i played suboptimally I get it...

[shellyc]

also I was confident in my abilities to read plus for one, and I was also confident in my abilities in reading you as I've got a meta-tell from your scumgame.

I was pretty sold on hectic town, I had almost no read on duppin, and I didnt expect dave to provide 0 content

[shellyc]

you have not tripped the meta-tell yet for the record

[shellyc]

i mean it kind of seems like you are just flailing at this point.

look up the stats, accusing people of flailing = high chance of being scum

scum!me can just hard push duppin. downplaying myself = negative EV. ive been in a couple of 1v1s as scum (just won one against plus). its obvious that my confidence as scum is higher.
duppin now trying to stop me scumcasing you because (as you can see from the 1v1s ive been in) I have quite high WIM.

[shellyc]

I understand that youre probably just going to call out this comment for whatever reasons and thats fair

this clearly shows that duppin is more focused on how im gunna call them out vs. proving me as scum

non town mindset

[shellyc]

Not thinking before posting is why you scumslip and say things you shouldn't be saying so much. All 13 player normals have 3 scum. Were you playing this game on the assumption there were 2 or 3 scum?

viewtopic.php?p=11996004#p11996004

no

[shellyc]

as long the ratio is not confirmed, i am willing to consider a world with 2 scum

no it has 2 scum

[shellyc]

This game has 3 scum, I apologise if you're 2/3 number-blind. I didn't mean to bring up such a touchy topic.

ok one scum was in green for ??? reason

ehhhh considering we have 3 flipped TPRs it would be reasonable that theres 3 scum but nothing is confirmed and thats obviously not a scumslip?

[shellyc]

*I mean when you commented on how my post calling out UNO was a scumslip.

[shellyc]

also the main point hectic was making is that youve played the game under the assumption that there have been 3 scum all game long, so it was weird for you to call him out for that

when did i make that assumption though

[shellyc]

It's not a scumslip, but it's something you shouldn't be paranoid about. It's like how since you're informed, you're trying to go too far the other way and make it seem you're not by calling people who're assuming there's 3 scum informed and scum. Also, people have been forming scumteams on the basis that there's 3 scum for the entire game before that UNOwen post, why did those not catch your eye but suddenly now UNOwen's is a scumslip?

This isn't because you're trying to get UNOwen launched or anything, it's because you're now trying to appear uninformed.

no, because it's mylo everything is magnified (imo) and lylo/mylo is basically this whole huge catharsis which you have to decide the game

[shellyc]

i mean even the fact that you claim it is mylo is based on the assumption that it is a team of 3

yes im assuming its a 3-man team but so has the whole plist.

i do get pinged by tiny little things though which I go on and tunnel about

pedit: fine if you want to lose the game. fine if you want to let duppin get away and miselim me. fine if you want to let scum get victory from the jaws of defeat.

[shellyc]

also i dont mean this in a condescending way at all, but i really think you made a couple if big mistakes with your claim. this might be hindsight, but i really think you should have retracted the claim when i asked you to because i think that would wouldve likely won you the game. I understand that youre probably just going to call out this comment for whatever reasons and thats fair, but between the two of us you i just wanted to tell you that this is an area i think you should work on. it sounds super condescending actually but its not really not my intention

I am amazed by this if you're scum

how in the world
is giving advice to someone town!AI

[shellyc]

agree with shelly on this

yeeah ive given advice to newbies a lot of times as scum

not trying to make me insulted isnt AI content

plus sell me on hectic scum with duppin? I kinda think they're confbiased

[shellyc]

oh the hectic thing. I meant not until after this day phase
Actually, Hectic was my strongest TR, and I was trying to bait scum into not nightkilling them when we get to 3 man lylo. But now I'm like, genuinely unsure since we disagree on whose scum in the 1v1

if you're unsure, why are you saying to vote duppin and side with me tho

[shellyc]

no we do not need to solve duppin they are confscum

end of story

[shellyc]

i think there's a slight townslip from plus that they say its lylo when scum know the numbers as mylo (2v4)

[shellyc]

screw it, i'm gonna vote duppin soon; but since its lylo I wanna hear from everyone, but since this could potentially end the game if a partner quickhammers, I wanna hear from everyone before I do. Sorry if I'm wrong.

3735 is very genuine imo
for one plus is heading in the right direction
secondly they're genuinely afraid of making the wrong decision

lylo as town is like this whole implosion *cough* of catharsis where you have to make this game-ending decision
the tone is hard to fake as scum since lylo for scum is pretty much just *watch town self destruct*

[shellyc]

are you aware that shelly tried to push the idea that if i was scum i would always kill her or hectic in the night?

i am not you and i do not need to do NKA finding out whos the best kill for you. i posted that BEFORE hectic sided with you.

[shellyc]

Yeah, I got this feeling which is why I didn't mention it at all.

I really do think shelly is scum though, Plus. She's pocketed you and is way too confident you're town, it's TMI. Her being "dumb" is not because she's dumb, it's because those thoughts are fake.

@shelly: Why didn't you claim the guilty straight away?

because i was considering risk vs. reward in case duppin was PR

i overthought wayyyyyy too much

also confidence =! TMI, you're confident in scum!me, does this mean you claim scum with me.

[shellyc]

Hectic prepare to be surprised if you're green, im honestly just town. towncasing me/scumcasing duppin probably wouldnt do much at this point

i'd recommend a reread on duppin VS taylor anyways

[shellyc]

EBWOP: me towncasing self/scumcasing duppin probably wouldnt do much at this point

lylo is basically town trying to get victory from the jaws of defeat. You know that, ralph. Town are consistently doing horrific in lylo situations. This is no exception (other than plus who is actually on the right track)

[shellyc]

i still think hectic is town for admitting the bugspray crumb from norwee
i think its plausible from scum but I think it's much more likely to come from town. They don"t wanna make a confirmed townie if they can help it

plus didnt you just say hectic was scummy with duppin...

this honestly reminds me of that scum!me town!you mini normal where your flipflopping made you a prime target

[shellyc]

the latter part of your post here is the only important thing. you have to consider me, if you still reach the same conclusion it is what it is but if if youre town you actually need to evaluate at this point

plus is plausibly the most flipfloppy town ive ever seen. trying to get them to consider town!you is the exact right move for scum to do.

but WIM > everything, I'm not losing this duel!

[shellyc]

its also the most obvous thing to do as town lol what is this even supposed to mean.

its also a good way for me to get a read on him

didnt you already townbin them because you thought i was "POCKETING" them
the inconsistency

[shellyc]

no, i said i thought it was a possibility.

i dont think you would like to talk about inconsistency for what it is worth

"possibility"

how come you have 0 confidence in any of your reads because they're "POSSIBILITIES"

[shellyc]

plus talk to me about UNO

pedit: lol? clearly its because you're lazy to track your stances throughout and setup a plus miselim

[shellyc]

yes clearly that is the case

yay duppin scumclaimed

[shellyc]

UNO and davesaz continue to fence-sit. hectic is taking a side, plus is taking a side.

duppin townread UNO for random and stretched reasons (ISO LOOKS GOOD) makes me think maaaaybe its just UNO/duppin

[shellyc]

Is shelly still fairly new?

yeaaaah

[shellyc]

This is was one of the bigger reasons I've liked you as town. Doing the research to see where people are posting, and constantly prodding me to come back to the thread and how you can see me posting elsewhere.

my scumpartner did the exact. same. thing. in a very recently ending game.

prodding people / focusing on lurkers is actually scummy (?) it's a form of IIoA imo

[shellyc]

Nah, I'm now leaning towards shelly as the scum here but I'm struggling to understand her motive. Mainly waiting for dave to surface so we can see what he has to say.

lol?

"OK PLAYER X IS SCUM!"
"but they have no scum motivation!"

[shellyc]

<--- thinking, not fence sitting. That guy's definitely not sitting on a fence.

dave how much longer will you finish thinking then...

are you producing the second coming of noraa's wall

[shellyc]

UNO thoughts on plus slot

you seem to have little-to-no-interest solving there for some reason

[shellyc]

@Mod: going to be V/LA for the next 48 hours

[shellyc]

good job plus

im just going to fix the solve as hectic/duppin

n3 tracker and 2s commuter cannot co-exist, but lets think about this
RS is one of the strongest TPRs
weak FN is self confirmable and generates alignment results
Informed GS is a pretty strong investigtative
and when you add 2s commuter (which basically cannot die at night if used well) to it it's too much town protective power for one (unless there's something like a full strongman but commuter beats strongman) and quite townsided

imagine that setup but with n3 tracker. for one, n3 tracker is possibly dying before the shot is used up, and all the PRs visit here giving ample opportunity for false guilties. I would say its a much more balanced setup.

hectic's claim does not make sense even if I did not exist

@UNO literally you're the one that's being pocketed. misplay doesn't mean scum. look back across the game, no way I am partnered with noraa for one. read my ISO and I've actually been solving instead of hectic who powerwolf'd d1 and dipped off afterwards, and duppin who was heavily sussed by town!taylor.

duppin tells ODJ to stop self voting or else policy which is cheap distancing, and gets both ODJ and duppin cred because 1) duppin asked people to stop playing anti-town (note the word anti-town because it's not real scumhunting) and 2) ODJ starts playing normally

duppin stays with a broad TR on hectic and the moment I start pushing duppin and guiltying them they suddenly throw some shade at hectic because they know they're going down

hectic, however, is locktown on duppin and lockscum on me, which is trying to push the elim through. as I said before as town lylo/mylo is a very high pressure moment when you may lose the game, so this attempt by hectic to elim in {me/duppin} today and no elim tmr despite not being in the 1v1 really pings.

hectic is also very good scum and can capitualise on my misplays as n3 tracker. I could have easily guiltied lurker!dave for the easy win if I was scum or could have guiltied plus following my trajectories throughout the game.

[shellyc]

there is no scum intent for going against the world and committing political suicide
there is no scum intent for guiltying duppin. im claiming this because I do have an incriminating result on them.
there is no scum intent for question marking plus for the mundi vote yet now labelling them as tstbs.

I'll be gone y'all better finish off duppin here

[shellyc]

sighhhh we basically UTR'd hectic for being quite active and giving reads d1

im pretty disappointed in myself for just binning hectic as town

[shellyc]

Another thing: hectic pointed out Norway’s check on bugspray making bugs near conftown which makes no sense from a commuter perspective as a commuter would want to eat the nightkill

Commuter is wayyy too strong here. Even if gated. If the GS visits the commuter and receives no result, with the knowledge of Mafia doctor they know that it is unlikely to have scum ascetic or RS because that’s too much scum power, confirming the commuter as town.
If the FN visits commuter it’s still a clear + FN is self provable anyways so not receiving the FN message does not impact
Role stopper visiting Commuter doesn’t cause anything.
RS is a very strong protective, commuter cannot die at night if activated so usually has some drawback (such as investigations failing) but there’s no drawback here

[shellyc]

I haven't caught up completely, but once again, I outed the gunsmith clear without thinking as soon as I saw it, since honestly, I didn't think bugspray would die in the night even with a good clear on them. I later regretted it and even PMed some of my frustration to Morning lol

aaa, I wish I had some more WIM to fight but I really can't be asked right now. duppin, can you please obvtown or something? I feel like the game is lost either way now, since even if I'm horribly wrong and duppin is scum, I'm gonna be mislaunched for the loss tomorrow at this rate.

hectic is now officially flailing

ehhhh im fine with no elim if we just get duppin tmr then hectic and finish the job off

seriously. another thing is that dave is a mechanically-oriented player, and im a newb at heart, so why wouldn't me and dave talk about the best claim to make? dave/me makes no sense at all, uno/me doesn't make sense because UNO can just push through and dave/uno/shelly/plus all vote duppin and finish the job.

me/hectic and me/duppin are impossible. I am not paired with anyone here.

even though you can say me/dave/plus have been more individually scummy, scum is a TEAM and simply the only way to explain this mylo is that hectic/duppin are scum

[shellyc]

duppin also tries and discredit plus push multiple times, but frames plus as "pocketed town" instead of scum, which is a scum tactic to discredit duppin!scum instead of pushing plus as scum. because neither hectic nor duppin have enough WIM left for that.

hectic still trying to shade duppin slightly gives hectic some leeway to talk the town out of a hectic elim when duppin flips red

[shellyc]

shelly and everyone had very good reasoning to call me town, this is grossly simplifying it to "being quite active and giving reads d1".

The town case on you was simply being active and giving reads.

I challenge anyone (other than the Confirmed Scum) to tell me otherwise

[shellyc]

Also, why do you think I'm good at scum? You've only seen town!me.

Sometimes when I finish work I’m interested in forum mafia and all the games that have happened in the past...
And sometimes I click on a game with scum!hectic...
And they happen to be scum!hectic wins...

[shellyc]

It should be obvious what I'm implying. I mean, I may as well say it at this point, as I'm an unlikely nightkill now. I didn't want them to know I was a commuter because I wanted them to target me tonight.

Scum!duppin obviously doesn’t kill you here

[shellyc]

phoneposting atm so apparently case on me is for having weird beliefs, but i do believe in them. I consider my towngame weakness to be obvtowning, and sometimes I do lie in my towngame (AND you know it hectic. you do. read that marathon game.)

[shellyc]

ok back to normal access

Ladies and gentlemen, this is why hectic is scum.

1. hectic has pushed for an elim in {me, duppin} today but is currently voting no elim. this is a case of words not matching up with actions.
2. commuter = tries to eat the nightkill, it is of course counter-intinutive to point out conftown, I don't get how it is "instinctive" at all
3. hectic tries to solve duppin and has doubts about duppin when their claim disproves my claim, which is a perspective slip.
4. hectic does not counterclaim me because if the "frame shelly as scum" plan fails, the backup is bussing duppin and taking it to f3, and they have a reasonable explanation for being UTR and living till then
5. hectics case on me is I don't believe in what I say which is ???????? when I do because its pretty clear that I've been talking in a confident tone. hectic also points out that its possible for town!me to be like that which is another perspective slip.
- what i did in a marathon game is when hectic called me out for a post glitch that changes the order of posts, I lie about that despite being town, because my intristic fear as town is being scumread, because I do have generally good reads

@uno: there are 2 scum and 4 town, a high ratio, and you have to realise that you were brought to lylo FOR THIS MOMENT. when you change your mind and vote me.
the simplest solve is wrong in lylo simply because scum are pulling the strings. it's right that there arent much reasons. its not paranoia on hectic and duppin. it's the truth.

more holistic case when I get coffee

[shellyc]

VOTE: duppin

I need say no more.

[shellyc]

@dave and plus if there's any doubt I can do a detailed casing later when i've got time

@duppin and hectic DIE MAFIA SCUM!

[shellyc]

UNOwen, the man who was leaning towards it being shelly/dave, and was working me was killed. What a shock.

you killed them because you feared uno's paranoia and my charisma

this was a wifom kill

[shellyc]

<3

accept your death
tbh as either alignment my WIM/1v1 duelling is my greatest strength

[shellyc]

Mhm, the classic WIFOM defence. Absolutely no one would question Plus dying here, given he was UTR by the end of yesterday. A Hectic/duppin team would absolutely kill Plus, given he's been repeating his thoughts of duppin/Hectic over and over again yesterday.

which would directly point to you

this is basically white flag for you

[shellyc]

basically, once duppin flips red you're confscum

you cannot make a kill that would directly point back to you/duppin because thats meaning game over

[shellyc]

I heard they have some good Roast threads in there.

thats enticing
goodbye mafia forums

[shellyc]

WIFOM aside, why would I ever kill UNO? Both UNO and Hectic were siding with me, it makes no sense for me unless you think I'd go for style points to kill UNO over you if you are town.

this game is white flag for you and lost
if you killed UNO, plus votes you and gg
if you killed plus, UNO realises that its the best kill for you, gg

[shellyc]

shelly on the other hand came out with a garbage claim (sorry i meant godlike 1v1 and charismatic claim (?)) that all the active players thought were terrible - you even pointed it out yourself Plus, the claim was bad. Pretty much everything she said yesterday was refusted, she was illogcal, inconsistent and hypocritical.

UNO thought it was fine
dave thought it was fine
plus thought it was fine

all the scum are SRing my claim

[shellyc]

It should also be a tell for you that the most active and game solving players in mylo were me, hectic and UNO. We were actively looking for associations rather and attempting to solve each other.

in mylo my job was to convince town that my claim was true, and I succeeded!
you were fakesolving
from your pov the game was solved as me/dave or plus
this is a perspective slip

[shellyc]

well all the town arrived at the conclusion that shelly = town which is correct
so my claim was fine

and you just lost this game

[shellyc]

UNO the now confirmed town did not believe your claim.

lol??????

they did
cant quote because on mobile but they were clearly paranoid about you

[shellyc]

duppin quote the post when you did your glorious Solving

[shellyc]

It remains possible that I have been completely fooled by the entire scum team deciding to townread me, in particular duppin's reasons for trusting me reminded me of Noraa and I really don't think my day 1 ISO was all that great considering most of it was spent tunnelling town. I don't understand why he wavered on his Hectic read but not on me when from his point of view Hectic has been backing him up all along and I have been the one to avoid committing, so if anything I should look like the opportunistic scum waiting to see which way the wind blows. It kind of looked like it was a reaction to Plus mentioning the duppin/Hectic team possibility. He certainly has had a suspiciously explain-y tone at times which I have put down to personality. Finally, the independent raising of the replace out theory by Hectic and duppin sticks in my mind, it could suggest that this was something scum talked about in pt.

found it

[shellyc]

- dodgy dave stubbornly sitting on his hands the entire day
- Plus hammering without a claim twice and ending day 3 way too early
- shelly with an unconvincing and conveniently timed claim

Individually any one of them looks scummier to me than either duppin or Hectic but together there is no combination that satisfyingly explains how they've played today. Shelly sticking her neck out to save dave by going after duppin is a strange risk if that's the team, even stranger if it's Plus/shelly (which I doubt, but suppose is still possible).

[shellyc]

uh how about you just iso me. i brought up the fact that she never voted on you and actually gave you a slight tr for your play even though her play was dodgy, i pointed out how she dodged the plus wagon but then later retracted that as i realised she had voted on plus earlier etc

who's she here

also why should I ISO confscum

[shellyc]

Individually any one of them looks scummier to me than either duppin or Hectic but together there is no combination that satisfyingly explains how they've played today.

pedit: paranoia = bad in lylo
i know it because i've nearly lost a scumgame in lylo because of it

[shellyc]

no im referring to you lmao

[shellyc]

stop trying to fight we already won this game

you're flipping red today hectic concedes

[shellyc]

but i am sure plus will townread you for it so no need to be worried

see you already lost hope

well played but just concede so we can speed this up and get to postgame

[shellyc]

then surely you shouldnt care about me trying to engage dave and plus

i care because i need my TRs to form a block and vote you

[shellyc]

but why would you mind, you are apparently very "charismatic"

because I need to high effort to convince them

[shellyc]

im making sure you're not just bullshitting as you usually do

also plus is town and has been with me so you just lost

[shellyc]

doubtful since me uno and hectic all put in a high effort yesterday and neither of them showed up, so i think you should just continue with the lies and being hypocritic that seems to work for you

lol?

I had more posts than both UNO and hectic yesterday

[shellyc]

once again a slip, you just know dave is town and is voting with you even though he has barely said anything. even plus has no idea where dave is but you have no concern at all

plus and dave are both town and with me. k thanks.

[shellyc]

that was bullshitting since I did care about dave and asked the mod to prod them
i cant have anything to work with if someone is MIA, also duppin is just venting instead of convincing plus because they lost

[shellyc]

i didnt imply anything???? that dave would vote with me
they both TR me and will vote with me

[shellyc]

i didnt imply it I just directly said it

both of them are going to vote with me unless dave suddenly changes his mind but with him being inactive idrt its likely

[shellyc]

I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.

lmao

for all future scums: im a bad target to pocket

[shellyc]

i didnt imply anything???? that dave would vote with me
they both TR me and will vote with me

Dave never said he was townreading you he also never said he would vote on me.
He said he thought your claim was more likely to be true in absence of hectics claim but then said he would evaluate hectics claim but hasnt done so yet

didnt he drop the wall after hectic claimed or did i just mess up everything

let me also bring back up the time where I reaction tested by saying that confidence had something related to my role
HECTIC and DUPPIN started rolefishing by prompting me to answer and asking me about the role

[shellyc]

hectic and duppin are so obvscum it hurts
they rolefished together
they pushed the narrative that mini/jackson are not t/t together
duppin pressured hectic early for a few posts but then randomly shitpushed saudade for no reason
duppin and hectic mostly broadly TR each other for not much reason

[shellyc]

By the way I thought you would not ISO "confirmed scum"

was just interested in how much you'd try and pocket me early game, for the postgame

[shellyc]

im just gonna shut up so plus doesnt have 10 pages of spam to read an hour or so when he wakes up

[shellyc]

I don't know how long it'll take for dave to reappear. But I think there's just too much evidence indicating a shelly/dave team.
If this loses town the game, I'm sorry.
If the solve is actually hectic/duppin, then gg, you guys played well.

VOTE: shellyc

We just lost

I’m actually quite disappointed here

We had the game in our hands and you threw it to scum

[shellyc]

Good game hectic and duppin.

Looking forward to the scum pt

[shellyc]

i feel like your posts have been more pushing an agenda rather than solving like most of this game. I just haven't seen a solvy mindset from you.

Quick change your vote before hectic hammers

GO

[shellyc]

Actually I’m not gonna try anymore because scum’s won tbh

You guys really do deserve it

[shellyc]

lol I thought you'd at least try and change my mind instead of scum claiming.

You think I'm the type of player to troll everyone as scum and stall the thread for a day?

You’re a clown

At least according to mundivore

[shellyc]

I also think if shelly was town here, they played pretty newbie (no offense), which I can believe. But I think a newbie day 3 tracker would've dropped some accidental hints on being a pr (even of its weak) but they really didn't. Hectic revealing the bugspray softconf seems pretty town indicative. And looking back, BM crumbed pretty hard on being a weak role "if i die tonight, noraa is scum" day 1. In a world with Hectic scum and they have a doctor whose purpose is to decieve probably the weak TFN and gunsmith, I think duppin/hectic would have a very high chance of realizing that they should have noraa doc BM. But that didn't happen.

Shelly also seemed to want to kill noraa desperately day 2.

I think it's probably dave/shellyc

Weak roles don’t die at night even if protected

[shellyc]

I don't allow "Bah" posts in my ruleset. -MT

[shellyc]

My d1 was glorious, yet somehow shelly survived the utter bs that happened D1 lmfaoooo.

And yeah I had to replace out because I knew the mafia due to mini uwu

you untunnelled tho

my craft as scum is make enough people SR me, just enough

[shellyc]

good luck with hydraing!

gg all
fun game, I'm glad town got the win though scum probably deserved it more considering how well they played and only really got undone by a couple of things

lesson learnt to improve at fakeclaiming

[shellyc]

Hectic this is not ok. Every game I play with you, you come tell me ur gonna SR me bc of my playstyle. if uk that it's 100% biased and not reliable, then y tf r u bringing it up? I don't think this is AI since it has happened more than once but dude can you cut it out? You told us a few posts ago that you played three games with shelly and two she was scum and the other you got a day one lim on town!shelly. Do you not see a problem here? You need to look at each game separately while referencing what you need to reference, not carry a bias/grudge from game to game and literally start each game off by telling everyone u SR me or shelly bc of our playstyle. It's not cool, its not helpful, and I don't think the people you do it to appreciate it. Can you stop?

[shellyc]

oh and also im sigging this: Dream as if you'll live as Noraa, live as if you'll die as shelly

[shellyc]

Shelly you will now pay the consequences of being good at scum by being scumread every fame i’m in you with from now on.
That’s cuu right?

im going to bribe the mods to give me IC each game.

[shellyc]

on god shelly if your scum this game I'm never trusting you in mafia again unless I am inclined to do so mechanically or we're scumbuddies

PlusJOYED this is not ok. Every game I play with you, you come tell me ur gonna SR me bc of my playstyle. if uk that it's 100% biased and not reliable, then y tf r u bringing it up? I don't think this is AI since it has happened more than once but dude can you cut it out? You told us a few posts ago that you played three games with shelly and two she was scum and the other you got a day one lim on town!shelly. Do you not see a problem here? You need to look at each game separately while referencing what you need to reference, not carry a bias/grudge from game to game and literally start each game off by telling everyone u SR me or shelly bc of our playstyle. It's not cool, its not helpful, and I don't think the people you do it to appreciate it. Can you stop?

[shellyc]

shelly welly got a new avatar :O

because its similar to yours and people get confused...

[shellyc]

I’ll bribe the mods don’t worry

What’s the usual price?