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Post Post #5100 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:19 pm

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In post 5093, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5090, Nero Cain wrote:not by scadd no
so they don't know your wincon, they only know what you told them your wincon is.
technically yes but why lie about it?
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Post Post #5101 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:20 pm

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In post 5088, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5081, shellyc wrote:S_S isn't scumhunting and focusing on mech is a good way to get townpoints
girl knows whats up
Girl knows how to suck up to Nero.

He literally said that like a page or two or something close.

Girl needs to show me original thought
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Post Post #5102 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:21 pm

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In post 5098, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 4976, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 4624, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4513, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This game should be a win if we just don't paranoia eliminate any of the hood members and just go for the scummy outsiders.
[c i t a t i o n n e e d e d]

I would definitely like it a lot better if the hood members told us what their real wincon was.
queue superbowl blowup, but yes, this would be helpful
How many more diagrams do i need to make?? :lol:
There need to be 9 Super Bowls so a minimum of 17 more apparently.
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Post Post #5103 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:21 pm

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wouldn't all players know if they are scum or not? not reading your pm has been banned for awhile now
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Post Post #5104 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:21 pm

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In post 4990, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 4761, Nero Cain wrote:a "reaction" test on someone with a pseudo guilty that is/was going to be lynched before that is a lame play, what are you a 2013 join date?
You're still town. Probably. Depressing town.

Why am I'm supposed to set the two mason groups plus norway to the side as confTown again? I think Nero, Mastina, Superbowl, A50 and Norway are all probably town, but I'm supposed to confTown Titus only because she's in this mason group even though she either refuses to read me or can't read me correctly?
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Post Post #5105 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:23 pm

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Welcome back to another day of "Mathblade outposts the entire thread"
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Post Post #5106 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:23 pm

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In post 5103, Nero Cain wrote:wouldn't all players know if they are scum or not? not reading your pm has been banned for awhile now
Yes what is this in relation to?
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Post Post #5107 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:23 pm

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In post 5100, Nero Cain wrote:technically yes but why lie about it?
Your wincon could be any number of things. Look at MBOS 5 for the utterly ridiculous third party team it contained. I would put pretty much nothing past schadd here.

In the infinite space of wincons you could have, most of them include things that you wouldn't want town to know about-- for instance, maybe you need the game to last a certain number of days. Or you need a certain number of town-aligned players to be executed. Or you need to give out power roles and have them used in a certain way. Or you need to outlive the other third party group. Or you need to neighborize half of the living players.

I don't know. But all of these are things you would be motivated to lie about, because otherwise town would realize that you are not acting in their best interests and stop listening to you.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5108 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:24 pm

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In post 5078, MathBlade wrote:I haven’t tunneled you at all today.
but what I said is that you DID tunnel us until you were threatened with a lynch. And isn't saying that you tunneled us until today just affirming that you tunnel until Titus' letter with a threat to lynch u? :?
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Post Post #5109 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:24 pm

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In post 5104, superbowl9 wrote:It’s going to be hard for you to convince us otherwise especially since you don’t know what we know
But you don't know what you don't know.

(That sounds stupid but it actually makes sense! Think about it :P)
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Post Post #5110 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:25 pm

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In post 5105, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Welcome back to another day of "Mathblade outposts the entire thread"
Welcome back to i was literally gone half the day
And a majority of the posts are needed

Tell Nero to stop doing repetitive shit at my ankles that needs addressing and I quit responding.

He makes a coherent case the responses end.

Otherwise I can’t let him spread BS.

I get he scumreads me but lies and misinformation (like I am tunneling which I am not) and other things can cause issues.
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Post Post #5111 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:26 pm

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I think it’s clear nobody other than Nero really scumreads you though.
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Post Post #5112 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:27 pm

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just letting you guys know that is it trying to sow doubt between our hoods
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Post Post #5113 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:28 pm

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ugh...
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Post Post #5114 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:28 pm

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In post 5108, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5078, MathBlade wrote:I haven’t tunneled you at all today.
but what I said is that you DID tunnel us until you were threatened with a lynch. And isn't saying that you tunneled us until today just affirming that you tunnel until Titus' letter with a threat to lynch u? :?
Please slow down and read carefully.
You claimed I tunneled you today.
I spent most of yesterday trying to get your team to rescind your bad “guilty”
The beginning could be argued as tunneling when I replaced in if you stretch the meaning so hard it almost breaks.

You’re really pushing here Nero. If you’re going to push me do so with facts
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Post Post #5115 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:29 pm

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In post 5109, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5104, superbowl9 wrote:It’s going to be hard for you to convince us otherwise especially since you don’t know what we know
But you don't know what you don't know.

(That sounds stupid but it actually makes sense! Think about it :P)
just letting you know that this is scum S_S trying to sow doubt between our groups
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Post Post #5116 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:30 pm

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In post 5099, shellyc wrote:
In post 5096, superbowl9 wrote:I think DS is the type of scum player where we would know he’s scum
can you back that up with anything
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Post Post #5117 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 pm

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Owls are known for having good vision.
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Post Post #5118 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 pm

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In post 5115, Nero Cain wrote:just letting you know that this is scum S_S trying to sow doubt between our groups
Why is that more likely to come from scum than from town?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #5119 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 pm

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In post 5111, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think it’s clear nobody other than Nero really scumreads you though.
Kind of? Not really.

It’s the thing I can’t tell about hood games.

I can’t see some of the undercurrents.

I can’t tell if Titus and Mastina also scum read me and are just funneling through Nero.

It becomes a matter of i don’t know what is going on.

What I do see is someone spreading BS and that can pick up and cause issues. I am trying my best to limit it while making sure Nero is heard with a clearer coherent argument but I don’t know what to do if he doesn’t take it and keeps lying.
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Post Post #5120 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:31 pm

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Hey.... I just realized something that could change the game everyone. This is very important.
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Post Post #5121 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:33 pm

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Did you all realize that Nero’s faction might have a different wincon??? I don’t know I never considered this angle!! I guess we will have to run all information through SS now, since he is good at setup spec. Im glad I realized this and saved the game!!!
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Post Post #5122 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:34 pm

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In post 5114, MathBlade wrote:You claimed I tunneled you today.
no i didn't. I said you tunneled us until you were threatened with a lynch. When were you threatened with a lynch? At the beginning of today. So what I'm saying is that you tunneled yesterday. which is actually what happened.
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Post Post #5123 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:34 pm

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oh shit, sb is onto us!
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Post Post #5124 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:35 pm

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In post 5121, superbowl9 wrote:Did you all realize that Nero’s faction might have a different wincon??? I don’t know I never considered this angle!! I guess we will have to run all information through SS now, since he is good at setup spec. Im glad I realized this and saved the game!!!
(Laughing while crying emoji that apparently breaks the site) lmao

Clearly.

I get the doubt but sometimes liars if they exist won’t tell you they’re lying.

You gotta go about it another way S_S.
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