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Post Post #613 (isolation #0) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:13 am

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Krazy has been banned from all mafia games for (expired on 2020-11-09 18:12:56) for breaking the rule against using Trust Tells and will need to be replaced out of all games he is currently in.

As a reminder, do not discuss ongoing games
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #621 (isolation #1) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:00 am

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Blatant Scum, his alt The Slime Collective, and all other alts have been banned from mafia for one week for intentionally misgendering another user. As the recent update to community guidelines makes clear, those who make mafiascum an unwelcoming place to play for a segment of our users are themselves unwelcome here.

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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #631 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:11 pm

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DkKoba has been banned from mafia for two weeks for abusive posting. They will need to be replaced in all games they are currently playing.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #634 (isolation #3) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:43 pm

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Momrangal is banned from joining new games for two weeks for playing against win condition by pretending to be scum playing against win condition.

She does not need to be replaced in any games.

As a reminder, don't talk about ongoing games.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #635 (isolation #4) » Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:04 am

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Lunar Martian, along with all their associated accounts, has been banned as an alt of a permanently banned user. They should be replaced in any games.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #645 (isolation #5) » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:24 am

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Firebringer has been banned from the site for three weeks for degrading individuals with learning disabilities. This follows two warnings for offensive posting on the forums generally and one regarding groups with disabilities specifically.

He will need to be replaced in all his games.

As a reminder, don't discuss ongoing games.

Associated alts:

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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #651 (isolation #6) » Wed May 12, 2021 11:35 am

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xRECKONERx has been banned from mafia for two weeks for abusive posting in mafia after a recent ban for behavior similar in nature. He will need to be replaced in all ongoing games.

As a reminder, don't discuss ongoing games.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #661 (isolation #7) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:09 pm

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Lady Lambdadelta has been banned from mafia for two weeks for threatening to deliberately seek a modkill, violating Mafia rule 2. She will need to be replaced in any ongoing games.

As a reminder, do not discuss ongoing games.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #666 (isolation #8) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:21 pm

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Cabd has been banned from joining new mafia games for one week for the use of out-of-game influences in mafia games. He does not need to be replaced in any ongoing games.

As a reminder, do not discuss ongoing games.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #676 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:29 pm

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MUSHSHAGANA has been banned from discussion for two weeks for abusive posting.

To be clear, disagreement with and criticism of the mods is fine. Sexually explicit abusive language to express frustration is not.


The above was changed to more clearly explain the language that was used.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #725 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:00 am

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Sterling the steampunk has been indefinitely banned from the site for overt transphobia. Strong evidence of transphobic beliefs underlying this behavior makes it important to remove this person from the community.
Sterling will need to be replaced in any mafia games.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #737 (isolation #11) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:55 pm

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bugspray has been been banned from Site Ideas for one month for this post. Per site rules:

Certain forums have a specific purpose (Mafia Discussion, Site Ideas, Help!, News). Users posting there have a higher standard of conduct expected of them.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #741 (isolation #12) » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:51 pm

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Nancy Drew 39 has been banned from the site for a minimum of one year for repeated behavior that is harmful to the health of the site and its users. She will need to submit a petition to be unbanned.

Although we as site staff do our best to define and administer a set of rules that addresses as many scenarios as possible, from time to time, a pattern of conduct that is not directly outlined as sanctionable by the rules can still nevertheless become harmful to the site's userbase and breach the types of user protections that site rules broadly aim to establish and maintain. Such cases are more difficult to moderate as they carry a greater risk that a user will fail to be given a fair opportunity to understand that the pattern of harmful behavior needs to stop and raises an important need to establish strong evidence that a user has received ample opportunity, through official communication, to recognize how their behavior harms the community and how their behavior runs afoul of the general principles of mafiascum community rules, even if there is no one specific section to be identified as them having clearly violated. In such cases, we evaluate the best approach to preventing these types of behaviors from recurring, and we do our best to guide users away from these behaviors and help them understand that the behavior needs to change, through direct conversations, warnings, and bans as we feel is appropriate, while keeping in mind our obligation to protect the site and its users from harm to the best of our ability.

In Nancy's case, we recognize there is a recurring pattern of behavior around her emotional responses to mafia games and discussions of playing in mafia games, which prevents other users on the site and other players in her games from feeling safe in fully participating in discussions or mafia games, out of fear of hurting Nancy and eliciting further emotional responses, or out of fear that Nancy will react in a way that inflicts mental or emotional harm upon themselves.

Prior instances of this broader pattern of behavior, and the mod team's attempts to guide Nancy's behavior, include:
  • Abusive behavior towards others who want to avoid playing with her in the future or publicly say they are blacklisting her as far back as January 2019
  • Abusive behavior towards others in mafia games, and a warning for this behavior (January 2019)
  • Abusive behavior towards others in post-game discussion of mafia games and mafia discussion threads, and a warning for this behavior (September 2019)
  • Threatening out-of-game consequences like policy eliminations when other players don't believe her or do what she wants, and multiple instances of listmod action for this behavior (warning in January 2019, warning in January 2020, warning in December 2020, banned from joining new games for 1 week in December 2021)
More recently, in July 2021, August 2021, and April 2022, we provided Nancy with a combination of informal and formal warnings about multiple instances of her attempting to seek players who elected not to play with her and forcing them to engage, and pushing grievances to the community at large for blacklisting her a large proportion of the time, with the apparent aim of getting individual people who have blacklisted her to engage with her. These three different conversations establish her awareness that this behavior, specifically, isn't acceptable for our community. Our messages were direct and identified the precise behavior she was engaging in that needed to stop. These warnings were associated with extensive followup conversations that included descriptions of the appropriate response to a case of a moderator electing not to include her in a game as well as direct mod action to lock and move threads, with notices to her why these actions occurred, related to her attempts to identify people who do not wish to play with her. These behaviors made other players feel unsafe for choosing not to play games with her and for privately contacting game mods with their concerns, and these behaviors also made game mods feel unsafe for choosing to exercise discretion over their playerlist and protect the identities of players who had come to them with personal concerns. Furthermore, Nancy's posts in other, non-mafia areas of the site about this topic made other users feel that they were not able to safely participate in those areas of the site in the way that they wished and should be able to as users of the site.

Nancy also received a 1-month petition ban in January 2022 for multiple instances of harassing other players in post-game discussion, insulting players during games, and telling others that she hated them, would never townread them again, or would never talk to them again unless they behaved kindly towards her, making it difficult for other players to play to their win condition. These are further examples of behaviors that harm other users and makes the site less safe. In the ban message as well as in following discussions, we provided extensive examples and explanations of how these behaviors were harmful as well as alternative posts that would not have caused harm to others.

In October 2022, we then had a conversation with Nancy about making games too personal to the point that games she was playing in were potentially unplayable for other players because their normal in-game behavior elicited emotional responses from Nancy. This included telling another player that they were no longer her friend if they were going to pressure her in a game, and berating someone in post-game discussion for lying to her during the game in order to play to their win condition as mafia. This type of behavior prevents other users from being able to fully participate in mafia games if they are worried that they will cause emotional distress or that their actions within the game will have consequences on their relationship with her.

The most recent example of this pattern of behavior is the discussion around game mods' decisions on their own playerlists in February 2023. Prior to the creation of the thread, Nancy had another moderator decline to include her in a game. When this happened, she PMed him unsolicited, posted disruptively in the Mini Theme queue, and resumed the practice of criticizing the site at large for individuals' choices not to play with her across multiple threads. The language in much of Nancy's posting about blacklists forces an emotional response. She makes frequent reference to past hardships, how badly she wanted something she did not get, or how acutely she feels a feeling of unfairness, which prevents other users from feeling safe in engaging with these discussions and may also cause emotional distress to other users when they are not equipped or prepared to respond to the level of emotional appeals Nancy makes. Emotional responses such as the examples listed below, particularly in areas of the site that are not intended for discussions of emotional responses, may cause additional harm to other users and make them feel less safe engaging in these areas of the site. Many of Nancy's recent posts in the Site Ideas subforum contain emotional responses which place the burden of managing her emotions onto other users who want to participate in the thread. Users who are not mentally or emotionally prepared to handle managing others' emotions would feel unwelcome to participate and may even decline to participate in important discussions about site policy. Users may also worry that if they were to participate in the discussion without taking an exceptional level of care in what they say, they may cause Nancy emotional distress or elicit an emotional response from Nancy that would cause them emotional distress. The implicit requirement that other users must use exceptional care when participating in discussions with Nancy places an unfair burden on them to ensure that Nancy does not become upset. Some of these emotional responses also reference personal trauma, which can be triggering for other users with their own personal trauma. The Site Ideas subforum is not intended to be an area for discussion of personal issues, so users would see this kind of discussion without being able to mentally or emotionally prepare themselves to discuss or engage with another's trauma. This makes discussion areas of the site less safe for other users.

Examples:

"..[the moderator is not]caring and humanistic.."
"..how extremely fucking hard it is for me.."
"..I'm literally..begging.."
"..[I'm in a]vicious cycle.."
"..I'm torturing myself.."
"..even when I torture myself [...], I still don’t get believed.."

As with our previous conversations and warnings in 2021 and 2022, these behaviors make other players feel unsafe for choosing not to play games with her and for privately contacting game mods with their concerns, and these behaviors also make game mods feel unsafe for choosing to exercise discretion over their playerlist and protect the identities of players who had come to them with personal concerns. Furthermore, Nancy's posts in other, non-mafia areas of the site about this topic may make other users feel that they are not able to safely participate in those areas of the site in the way that they wish and should be able to as users of the site.

This kind of behavior isn't squarely and pointedly described by site rules, but the integrity of each user's emotional wellbeing that is implicit in "Do not make any post or start any thread that abuses or harasses another user" is breached by this conduct. What may differ is that Nancy's apparent objective is not emotional impact itself, but to reverse personal decisions not to play with her in a process that causes harm to other users. She has multiple times received guidance from staff about refraining from seeking these reversals and causing this impact, so similar to breaches of that rule itself, we are employing a ban where warnings have failed.

This behavior may also differ from many more common cases in that the posts about being blacklisted do not always reference a specific individual. However, when users know their own play choices and know they are the logical subject of these statements - especially in cases where Nancy has had a memorable prior confrontation with a user regarding their blacklist choices - they may still experience the same emotional harm as if the statements mentioned them by name.

Nancy has already been through the ban and petition process for behaviors outlined above. Given the broad pattern of behavior over an extended period of time, which has impacted mafia games, the Mafia Discussion subforum, the General Discussion/Speakeasy subforums, the MishMash subforum, and Site Ideas subforum, as well as the extensive history of moderator action and intervention encompassing informal conversations, warnings, and bans, we feel Nancy is best positioned to potentially engage healthily with the site after a long break from it. We have generally seen bans work more effectively than warnings in changing her behavior, and because the large volume of reports suggests that the most recent behavior pattern is very damaging for the rest of the community (if it is not also very damaging for Nancy herself), we are using a significant amount of time off, in addition to the petition element to ensure that she returns only when her re-engagement with the community is healthy for all parties involved.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #760 (isolation #13) » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:27 pm

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Generic is banned from the site. This post will be updated later.


After being banned from another Mafia site for making jokes about sexual assault and returning here, Generic has also been banned here for indicating a complete lack of remorse, engaging in victim-blaming, as well as justifying the behavior and indicating he might repeat it. He will need to be replaced in ongoing games.
In the interest of acting quickly, we are declaring the ban now and will determine the exact timeframe of the ban later.

Generic's ban is indefinite.

In the past, bans of endless length have been called a mixture of "indefinite" and "permanent", with an interchangeable meaning that they end only on an, uncommon, successful appeal. For consistency and clarity, all future bans with endless length will use the word "indefinite".
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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