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this is kinda awkward, i've missed out on the last, what, 2-3 gamestarts?

what does one do here?

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RVS!

right, RVS!

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let's just do a quick PoE to determine our RVS vote then, shall we?

Ydrasse - don't really know
shellyc - will scumtell
Iconeum - that's me
Datisi - meh
GeorgeBailey - George 'The' Bailey himself. Wouldn't dare touch this with a 10 foot dragonpole.
Staarling - don't know
MiniMegabyte - don't know
Gypyx - will scumtell
innocentvillager - ahhhhhh, this reeks of innocence

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VOTE: innocentvillager

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@Iconeum: What's the story with Georgebailey?

i have no interest in a 250 page mini normal, thanks

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Hi!! Dragons have a mixed reputation in evilness so I have my eye on you

i've already townspewed so ur good

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showing off my towniness

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Anyways let's make bets, this setup will either be 2 masons vs 2 mafi1 with a bit of spiciness or 1 investigative + 1 protective vs goon + PR because that's all micro normal seems to be

i refuse to listen to any kind of setup talk from you

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Iconeum - scumlean the offhanded town comments seem pretty lamisty

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can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

and here we have it

the first scumtell

(and i'm only half-joking)

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can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

formatting/structuring = town?

kinda a stretch ngl

shellyc town?

(inb4 omgosh obv buddying attempt)

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can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

Is it the fact that it looks like she is putting effort in towny or is it specifically like, the format of that post

Like what distinguishes the effort in formatting from general effort or is there no distinction at all and it’s all towny?

Basically, the fact that this is in a list makes me think that like, shelly is trying to structure thier thoughts, of course scum could do that, but they're not really incentivized to as the more thougths they tell, the more attention they get / the faster we get out of RVS

so you honestly believe *structure* in a post is a towntell?

hotdamn you are gonna hard scumread me this game i can already tell

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because last time i was town against scum!gypyx, his page one posting made my stomach turn and i was tunnelling him until he died

and compared to that, this is like... Better

which is a better reason than gypyx is giving because apparently making a readslist is AI

MISREP!!!!!!

*structured* readslist

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why does that reaction make you scumlean ico?

ohhh

i think we are t/t this game?

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interestingly enough i'm still leaning +town on gypyx because of tone, posts like 60

or you know

maybe ur just scum with gypyx

that works as well

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disclaimer I think everything I have posted so far is in my scumrange

please stop townspewing

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Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

it pings me because it feels like u need *any* reason to have a townread, so you thought of something that might fit

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CAN I GET THIS POST IN PLEASE THANKS

OK

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now taking bets on how many pages i'll fall behind when i leave in 10

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anything under 15 is probably a bad bet imo

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so like

Ico+Shellyc+datisi+username are town

gypyx is at the bottom of my reads but i'm granting some room here (even tho i caught scum!gypyx last time this early as well i think)

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VOTE: gypyx

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who is username

ahum

villager

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Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

it pings me because it feels like u need *any* reason to have a townread, so you thought of something that might fit

You're saying i chose deliberately to townread shelly, then tried to BS my way into TR'ing him, at page 2? I think you can see where this is getting ridiculous

i'm saying that the reason you used to get a townlean on someone was pinging me enough to call it out

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gypyx, in the one game we played together where you were town i managed to instantly townread you

i don't get that here

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l m a owhy am i town ico, i thought i was scumy with gypyx? :3

because there's 2 scenarios

1) ur actually town, and u are in your town meta of bad reads
2) ur scum, and i need to you think i'm townreading you so you don't kill me

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(only joking about the townread in the other game for Obvious reasons if you were there)

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only 5 new pages

game ded

rip

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I think Gypyx and Ydrasse are townies!

Datisi less so, but I also have good feelings from him

I really liked Cyber Stockholm Syndrome, Ydrasse :>

VOTE: staarling

so sorry you rolled scum, my daarling

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Does t/t mean Iconeum is saying both are town? i don't trust it for some reason, like Iconeum is trying to get people on his side eagerly if you know what I mean

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You asked me about Datisi after this post so I'll answer that here. I think the way he entered and especially tried to get the top post of the page was quite fearless, like he isn't scared to stand out. But maybe that's just a Staarling projecting her own confidence and what it means onto other players ^^

*rubs eyes*

actively going for pagetops is enough to be townread

*takes notes*

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PAGETOP

omg ur so town

just look at this townie post

plees

stob obvtowning

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CAN I GET THIS POST IN PLEASE THANKS

OK

@Datisi: I think 85 and 88 was off from Iconeum because it was calling you town in one and then mafia in the other. I think mafia usually have more crazy or not consistent thoughts like that. The post here because I don't think it's that angry about not getting a post in, I think the anger maaaay be fake

calling someone town in one post, and scum in the other almost sounds... uninformed

don't you agree?

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CAN I GET THIS POST IN PLEASE THANKS

OK

@Datisi: I think 85 and 88 was off from Iconeum because it was calling you town in one and then mafia in the other. I think mafia usually have more crazy or not consistent thoughts like that. The post here because I don't think it's that angry about not getting a post in, I think the anger maaaay be fake

i think you maaaaay be right about that being 'anger' lol

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*not being*

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@Datisi: the first thing I thought was that you could be mafia together because you're defending it and it was trying to call both of you town >:) but if you know how it plays and is always like this and someone else can also say the same, theeen I'd trust what you're saying.. and back to a square one on Iconeum

@everyone: has anyone else played with Iconeum?

i've never, EVER, had the honours of playing on the scumteam together with datisi and it is still an open item on my wishlist.

Now, Staarling, you had a 'good vibes, bad vibes' read on Datisi slot. Why are you so eager to trust him?

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Speak of the dragon!!

the beast awakens.

Rawr!

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UNVOTE:

don't think staarling is that bad after my catchup

reeks more of eager town then actual scum pushing

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holy fuck that's a quick reply lol

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@Iconeum: I'm not eager to but his fearlessness looked townie to me earlier. he did it again on the top of this page

Like, you don't even have to townread me here to listen but

trust me when I tell you that going for pagetops is incredibly Non Allignment Indicative for ANY player in this playerlist

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i'll even dare to add that scum might feel more comfortable going for pagetops because they do that as town as well and it's so easily faked, and might help them recreate their towngame

so in general, signatures and pagetops are a bad way to read people

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I see we are still a couple heads down so far

where's Mini and the Bailey?

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ico, is gypyx still scum?

maybe

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i've got like, no real solid scumread in the posters so far

if i had to choose right now, gypyx eats rope

really wanna hear from 2 more players

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VOTE: shelly

ico, you seeing what i'm seeing?

i'm watching

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Datisi's push is fine, i'm kinda having trouble to find alignement but i think it's town-motivated

like, these are exactly the scumpings i'm looking for early game, and it's the second or third time you do this

if you think it's town motivated, then ur not having trouble finding allignment, which means you only added that part for gesture -> scum trait

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can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

and here we have it

the first scumtell

(and i'm only half-joking)

How is this a scumtell?

gypyx got pressured into explaining a townlean, and came up with 'because their readslist was structured' ->which is a stretch and feels like *any* reason was needed to explain it -> scum trait

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mini actually feels like coming into this game and getting a foothold if you know what i mean

getting your bearings

she's commenting on what i'd expect comments on, so yeah

i like the opening

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mini actually feels like coming into this game and getting a foothold if you know what i mean

getting your bearings

she's commenting on what i'd expect comments on, so yeah

i like the opening

hmmmmm ok

ico can you make a readslist? i wanna see where you're at because I'm gonna bet the game on town!you

i'm prolly not making a readslist on Day 1 but you can have my Early Solve TM:

1 scum in (shellyc/Ydrasse) and 1 scum in (GB/gypyx)

make of this what you will

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1 scum in (shellyc/Ydrasse) and 1 scum in (GB/gypyx)

wait george baily is in this game?

whats your SR on ydrasse from?

1) yes, and no

2) it's a really loose read, but i feel like shellyc v Ydrasse can come from scum/town (and i don't really have any other kind of solve rn) but it feels right

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Not yet haha i just have a separate tab open so i can respond to posts if they need my response immediately

my sister, welcome

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I see we are still a couple heads down so far

where's Mini and the Bailey?

Im here just didnt realise the game started lol.
I feel like you are town and from my understanding you're fairly new to this?

holy fuck i'm getting wrecked

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from my understanding you're fairly new to this?

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that's a daddy

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you're fairly new to this?

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fairly new to this?

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new to this?

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if u'll excuse me

i have to go and find an ice pack to put on my ego

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because I love to shit

post

at work

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i felt invincible prior to this game

pls mini

while i still have some dignity left

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so pure gut?

it feels like it fits the gamestate rn

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mini can you do those thoughts on dats and ydra now

also can we spoiler gifs so MS doesn't take centuries to load ico?

i didn't realize it affects people this much?

yeah sure i'll lay low on the gif spamming

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ico take a minute to read ydrasse's iso and tell me what you think

In ISO, other then the *NewbScumTell Opening TM*, it's a pretty townie ISo so far

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actually, iv might fit as well

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iv scum = gypyx town probably

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if i actually strongly scumread iv, i'd be pushing there

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i answered truthfully and to the point

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i don't really, which is what I just said

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and now ur gonna go 'oh my gosh ico, you don't sr him but he's in your solve? thats so scummy'

right?

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i have something of an early solve in my head, with brackets that need sorting
do i specifically scumread everyone in my solve as of right now? no

they are there because poe and current gamestate and gut

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which is what I provided shellyc instead of the requested full readslist, upon which i said 'iv might belong in it' and shellyc incorrectly assumed that means i scumread the slot

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if you think it's town motivated, then ur not having trouble finding allignment, which means you only added that part for gesture -> scum trait

"i'm guessing town but i could see this go either way"? i thought the phrasing was fine?

ico, did you say you had a game with town!gypyx?

yeah i said that

i was wrong/switched players (was thinking of Umlaut...)

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mini actually feels like coming into this game and getting a foothold if you know what i mean

getting your bearings

she's commenting on what i'd expect comments on, so yeah

i like the opening

:/

ico did you roll scum this game

i was actually thinking mini's opening is worse than gypyx's here?

like what about her posting so far is things you'd *expect* a comment on? and why did you think 297 was towny (i'm assuming you did)?

excuse me? I am a beacon of shining towniness

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I actually liked Mini opening yeah

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i'm expecting ico!town
i'm townreading ico and the only thing i could stretch into a ping at this point in time is maybe weird reads dissonance between the two of us

but i'm far from betting the game on town him

so again, why are you so confident?

because they're by far my hugest TR

iso-wise theres active pushes on gypyx that vibes with my own, and constant evaluation of different slots (for example the staarling thing where they were pushing there but then read further and decided that it was townie) and general boldness in play

i have read dragon's iso, yes

it's not locktown, at page 16

like the boldness ain't locktown

how many games you got with ico?

I agree that I shouldn't be locktown, and I'd like to believe that my play so far is in my scumrange.

That said, I do think i've been towntelling more then 'normal' for the stage of the game

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which is probably only a result because i'm hyped over the pl

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(GB/gypyx)

Mind explaining this duo?

poe

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I read everything in a weird order

think Ydrasse and George Bailey are probably town

please go on

what makes you townlean/read them at this point?

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it's a trait i share actually

i often post my thoughts with more confidence then I actually have

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I have bad feelings

@Iconeum: Where do you think you've done "towntelling"?

literally everything

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I have bad feelings from Iconeum, innocentvillager, and GeorgeBailey so far

Everyone else I like :>

Usually when I play I have people I'm not sure on either way so this is new for me!

Staarling, if you scumread both of IV and GB, and i'm questioning both of them/have both of them in my solve

what does that tell you about me?

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when he saw I changed my mind on him because of what Datisi said he said he changed his mind on me as well

if i'm scum, why would i change my mind about anything?

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I think Iconeum voted for me but quoted a post where I said some reads but he actually voted for me because I said he was suspicious

, but he didn't want it to look like that so just gave a gif to that post. and then when he saw I changed my mind on him because of what Datisi said he said he changed his mind on me as well. also the posts before that were quite mean like he really wanted to take me down and I think it's because he thought I was onto him

I just checked

at the time i voted you, you never mentioned me in any kind of negative way

so where did you say i was suspicious? remember, it has to be PRIOR to me voting you otherwise you are lying here

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it's one thing to scumread me, staarling

it's a whole other thing if you are gonna misrepresent what actually happened and shade me with lies

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@Iconeum: do you mean you could be the type who likes to take down his partners?

for the other thing, I'm saying you decided to change your mind if you were mafia. if you were town, you changed your mind

I think if I made a grand sum of my scumgames, that I am extremely unlikely to bus.

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@Iconeum: 165 and 215

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@Iconeum: 165 and 215

so what is scum!me thinking here, Staarling? I vote you because i'm afraid you caught me, only to change my mind after you 'uncaught' me?

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I still think Staarling is town

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I agree that I shouldn't be locktown, and I'd like to believe that my play so far is in my scumrange.

That said, I do think i've been towntelling more then 'normal' for the stage of the game

you are more towny than usual at this stage, i agree

but i am still not locktowning you so you feel why i find it hella sus that someone else is

exactly on the first bit

and yeah, i'm naturally suspsicious of people hard townreading me so early :p

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now you're making me feel bad for voting you :<

i'm trying to make you understand why you are simply wrong, not make you feel bad

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contemplating voting GB here

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actually

VOTE: GB

that opening is hella uncharacteristic for town!him I think

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staarling do you prefer mafia or town

VOTE: un vote
UNVOTE: Sirius9121

aaand also whats the mod doing

you can't unvote the mod...

i mean

the mod can probably unvote the mod

but yeah these mod interdictions are something

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that opening is hella uncharacteristic for town!him I think

whats GB's town opening then and how is it different from here. lurker =! scum

I've only seen mod!GB but fwiw i would be happy with joining a flashwagon to freshen up the gamestate

IIRC GB is a top spammer

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Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

samw goes for you, she was your strongest expressed suspicion if i recall correctly and you're still voteparking ico

why is it difficult to get any wagon going, especially on shelly

I was waiting to see everyone enter the game, and i still liked my vote on ico

I think there's one scum in villager / george

VOTE: georgebailey casing my vote here, i'll make a deeper read of this game when i'll feel like it
(That's exe-2 i think)

why 1 scum in gb/villager?

what did you like to keep your vote on me?

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also that’s E-3 only, takes 5 to exe

oh no lol

brb i'm gonna do a quick archive check

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hey gypyx

you didn't perchance do that as a reaction test now, did you?

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i faintly remember you doing those fake pressure votes multiple times last go around and you were scum :p

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d.addy

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i'll try to pay attention to that

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it seems a lot less likely that scum!georgebailey forgets about this game/doesn’t post for Like 2 RL days than town!georgebailey

He confirmed, if was scum probably checked in with scum PT, but just didn’t post? I don’t think these wifom tricks get much towncred anyway so on balance that makes me think he’s more likely to be town

You can call this weak if you want but i feel like it’s not that weak I don’t think an experienced scum does this often

you know what, if this is true or not, but the entire concept of you thinking this makes me townread you here

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you know what, if this is true or not, but the entire concept of you thinking this makes me townread you here

ico, pls enlighten me why you think this is town!indicative thinking?

the solving GB part in it

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And can you or @Ico explain this whole I’m supposed to look super towny thing you two keep mentioning or whatever? Im just lost

i have no idea, i don't think i said that about you

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@mini probably need your reads on all the active slots so far, I especially want to hear about datisi and ydrasse

To be honest i really havent got anything that particularly stands out but from what i have read.

Ydrasse: Im really not knowing how to sort them/read them aorn. There is some things that ping as scummy but also things that ping as townie.
Scummy posts = 197, 207 - this one to me just doesnt make sense
More townie posts = 274, 280

So honestly no idea how to read them rn

Datisi: They are strange to me but they are someone i have never played with before so ive read just their posts and i dont know really. Its just weird i dont know how else to explain it. They talk about town readin people and then go to ask people why they themselves are town and it is really making me struggle to read them

This is a really scummy post.

You're shading Ydrasse and calling posts scummy, while not saying why. Then you come to the conclusion she's null.

This is a really scummy post.

You're shading Ydrasse for shading, and explicitely leave out the part where they mention 'townie pings as well' which explain the null read.

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And like, it's right there.

In the post you quoted.

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I also feel like town!GB is gonna come in more jokingly/less serious instead of just jumping on a 'scummy' post where you leave out the part that perfectly explains what you say 'doesn't make sense'

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OKay so i think i know what you mean maybe...
Does it have anything to do with the talk between the two of them? that it seems like it would be a scum vs town thing but cant figure out which one it would be?

Ok this is better than IV.

A lot of MiniMegabyte's posts feel very... Timid? Like "not stepping on any toes" type timid. Like above.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

that's not what I got from interacting with Mine

VOTE: GB seriously this time

No. VOTE: George please - Sirius

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yes

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point is you are pushing mini for coming to a null conclusion, when mini says there are good and bad points about a slot, and you leave out the part where there are good points to justify the read

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which seems to be in bad faith, shadey, etc

my 'yes' was solely to the name, which i tend to get wrong a lot

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@Georbe, let me put it differently

why do you scumread Mini for coming to a null conclusion when she said 'i don't like this but i like this other thing'?

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You're shading Ydrasse and calling posts scummy, while not saying why. Then you come to the conclusion she's null.

there is so much wrong with this

-the part where you ignore the 'i like this', which explains the null read
-the fact that Mini actually did say why, with a nice link to the post and a small explanation (granted it's not much, but it's definitely there)

and also like, if you are gonna push everyone who hasn't fully explained a scum or townread, you're in for quite a bit of work

this really feels like you faked it, Beorge

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(if you have an entire memethread named after you, i feel like intentionally memeing with your name should be allowed)

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what meta? I don't think i've played with IV much if ever actually

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you know what, if this is true or not, but the entire concept of you thinking this makes me townread you here

ico, pls enlighten me why you think this is town!indicative thinking?

the solving GB part in it

ok but like why?

like it's a read that's very easy to invent and that's easy to walk back from later (also it's lowkey worrying those are the only reads he had coming back but)

it's really not that hard to understand

i think it was said with a logic that suggest they were trying to sort a slot, which is a townie trait, which makes me conclude town

early read? sure
backtrackeable? sure

don't see a problem

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datisi why is it a problem that my read is open to change?

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ico: 'this is a solvey mindset, i kinda townread this'

datisi: 'ok but why'

ico: 'because it is a solvey mindset, which is towney'

datisi: 'ok but why'

…

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i'm aware that both the solvey mindset AND my townread of it are both fake-able as scum but that's the game ain't it

doesn't mean i'm wrong

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that's kinda why i'm scumreading the Bailey here

'oh god oh fuck i need a couple read lemme see what i can find'

'oh look, mini posted a read that is inconclusive, let's call it fencesitting and scumread them for it'

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added on top of not saying anything about the rest of the game, let alone do some RVS which is maybe a bad way to play mafia but i still scumread em for it

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it is unrelated to any specific game

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added on top of not saying anything about the rest of the game, let alone do some RVS which is maybe a bad way to play mafia but i still scumread em for it

did he not like give reads about at least 4 other people or

also if it's not related to any specific game, have you considered he didn't enter the game joking because... joking time was over at that point?

part of my reasoning is that I don't think GB gives a fuck about what time of the game it is

and i think not? maybe 2?

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GB's opening posts and thoughts are scummy and i WILL fight you over this

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weekend vla

is imminent

Timezone? -Sirius9121

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weekend vla

is imminent

Timezone? -Sirius9121

it's a standing vla, so every weekend


GMT+1

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oh

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daddy

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NO fuck you ico fuck you that was mine seriously fuck you

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oh wait, do you still want me to answer the question about why I lol scumleaned ico on page 3 when he posted a meme? I’m sure that will really help you figure out my alignment

I really see no reason why you are withholding information

And y r u acting so terrible to someone who's obviously trying to sort you?

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can you at least admit it kind of looks like you are not genuinely trying to figure out my alignment?

pedit: fine

I think ur absolutely in thé wrong here

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ok throughout this game dats seems to make very pedantic pushes which is weird? and probably scum!AI as well

No

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gb hasn't posted much but i like the few posts he does have, feels Okay.

Why ignore my case on him?

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Dtisi terrible vote

Don't exe there

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Tomorrow ill do that

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ok throughout this game dats seems to make very pedantic pushes which is weird? and probably scum!AI as well

i want to see you have explicit posts from datisi containing quotes of what exactly you consider pedantic, and why it's scum indicative according to you

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ok ydrasse goes up

i reread boardgames and I tried to not be biased
think scum!ydra will never be so high effort

what? because ydrasse goes in directly against your now scumread of datisi, and has unexplained brackets?

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ico seems really firepower-heavy this game and disagreeable which is another reason to TR them

so. ico talk to me about where your rough solve is now. has it changed?

oh it's changing all right

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um

sorry for being being sarcastic and petty yesterday

i was feeling kind of attacked and was probably just in a pissy RL mood too

that said I still maintain reservations about Datisi motives for the questions. I disagree with ico that he’s “obviously trying to sort me” because I still don’t think it feels like it. It might look like it on the surface but any competent scum could make it seem like they’re solving. Datisi is obviously a competent scum from 2169

VOTE: Datisi

datisi has been asking/pushing you for stuff since early game, and you've been ignoring them for the larger part IIRC
then you go 'omg you can't possibly be serious that you still wanna know this or that from pages ago' and conclude that it is probably faked to still be interested in the answers?

iv is dropping all the way to the bottom of my reads here

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it doesn't feel like i'm sorting you. no shit. i *am not able to sort you* when you're not outing reads. do you think my sorting of the other players only looks like sorting on the surface? if so, which parts make you think that and why?

i don't really want to get into another shitfight with you, hopefully we can talk about each other without being too heated this time, i'll apologize for my end from last time. we can also debrief our little spat postgame if you'd like, i don't usually get into petty shitfights like... as either alignment so this is kind of a first for me

anyways here's where I'm at, daddisi. for one, i kind of doubt that "you are not able to sort me" just because I am not giving every single read and explaining them all. I have enough content for you to have at least some opinion on me; it seems like many of the other players have one of me. if I feel it's relevant and helpful I'll probably say something or respond.

but more importantly just to clarify when I say "it doesn't feel like you're sorting me" I'm more referring to "trying to sort me" not "able to successfully sort me". Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record but as I've said before I didn't like the way you kept pushing pretty old questions that I didn't think were relevant to the gamestate any longer, then shading me indirectly about something completely different while talking to ico was pretty concerning.

actually, let's just take care of this: do you still want me to answer those two questions? the one about the ico meme and the one about gypyx from back then? if you say yes, I also want you to tell me exactly what you were looking for, how that would help sort me, and your opinion on how my response (when I give it) really informs your read on me. like I want to know why it was so important those questions were answered, especially because it doesn't seem like you're admitting that you don't care about the questions anymore when I brought up even town!you could just be being stubborn. there were questions like, "how do you feel about X, I'm concerned you didn't get a read here, can you give your thoughts" etc. that would've made more sense to push if you were really concerned that my "only takeaways" from my random-order skim through (also, how can you even reasonably strongly scumread my weird order skimthrough producing two townreads. and yes I said reasonably strongly scumread because this is what YOU indicated in that post where you bolded stuff from two quote idr exact post #).

i haven't really been paying attention to your "attempts to sort others" tbh. My vote on you is the vote on you because of our interactions which I obviously feel best about and have noticed the most. Does that tunnel me a little bit? maybe, especially since somehow no one feels the same way I do about you about not trying to sort me? But then again no one sees our interactions quite as vividly as I do just as I don't see your interactions with others as vividly either. so I'm somewhat conflicted but i feel ~ok just sitting here with my vote on you for now

this is just full of bullshit (respectfully :p)

'im not answering your question until i know exactly how to answer it without getting further scumread by you' is literally how i read this

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ydrasse, starling are probably town.

ico is probably town but if datisi is scum ico scum equity goes up. there is a real possibility they are blatantly trying to establish each other as deepwolves but I somewhat townread ico even indepedently of that

georgebailey is likely town.

gypyx, mini are like... eh I should probably try to read them a bit at some point. honestly my time is probably better spent here than responding to datisi but I guess I'm petty so

shelly i don't care about

datisi

ok

VOTE: iv

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shelly i don't care about

What

also this looks like scumtisi. Feels more like shading me/IV without really making attempts to read us. Will flesh this out a bit more later when I’m off work

quote the shading posts

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and there's no effort to solve iv, only shading iv by saying that iv isn't fleshing out their reads, which feels really insincere

holy fucking donkeyballs i don't know what game u've been reading but datisi has been screaming at IV to explain certain reads (reads that did ping me as well btw) and iv's been

'no'

and you read that as datisi not genuinely trying to solve?

lol

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ahahahaha holy shit where do i start

there is at least one scum shitpushing me right now, mark my fucking words, maybe even both of them

like, at least 1 scum in iv/shellyc?

yeah

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same thing happens with iv. which is really +scumpoints imo. and there's no effort to solve iv, only shading iv by saying that iv isn't fleshing out their reads, which feels really insincere

as we have established in the above posts, i've been trying to sort iv, despite him making it a fucking struggle, so this is blatantly false

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quote the shading posts

i said 100 times that I mistaken it as shading when tbqh seems like questioning now but at first I think whole shitfight with iv seemed like iv: I'm not explaining reads dats: that's bad yet dats didn't really read iv if that makes sense?

i wanna see what posts you took as 'shading', even if you don't believe it anymore

and i wanna see you quote the 'pedantic' posts as well

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if you cannot do that, then you've literally been shading datisi which is not only very ironic, but extremely scum!indicative for you as well

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UNVOTE: Datisi
basically the way I like to get reads is by pushing people and seeing what happens. I did that with datisi in mini normal 2175.
I read dats-iv into dats basically pushing iv with an agenda and shading at first.
so I really feel that titanic struggle to prove yourself as town. and I don't think this is AtE as well, it's coming off as really genuine, and feels like datisi under my pressure is still trying to get something out of iv, and this is more like questioning and I can see where datisi is trying to sort iv now with iv being the obtuse one. which I like.
kinda wanna go back on gypyx actually

this reads like you don't wanna take heat for pushing datisi

what happened to the pedantic and shading post style datisi had?

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ico posted this meme in response to shelly calling him lamisty. From what I understand one of saudade's big tells early game at least from the two games i played with town!him is that when people are deflectiony to these early accusations in an attempt to seem like they don't care. I felt that this reaction somewhat fell into that category. You modded 2163 and saw how he used it to catch Kerset early. He caught me early as scum in 2160 with this tell as well, so I've seen a 2/2 success rate for finding scum with this tell which is incredibly high even with small sample size given the base rate should be 25%.

why on earth are you using Saud's meta to sort my slot?

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GeorgeBailey has requested replacement. They have been replaced by Battle Mage. Please welcome them!

honey i'm home

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what's the long and short of it? how did we end up 28 pages deep with no flip? any claims etc?

there's a standing agreement we don't flip anyone until everyone has at least 300 posts (per day)

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what's the long and short of it? how did we end up 28 pages deep with no flip? any claims etc?

no claims so far, we barely had wagons go to L-2

there's been some pushing between me and shelly and iv, i think at least one of them is scum, skim the past 3-4 pages on why
ico is very town
i have a vague townlean on your slot (please don't make me regret it)

uhh nothing really memorable has actually happened so far

pedit: oooh
may i ask why?

hi BM

i have a vague scumread on your slot

please just bend over if ur scum

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why is Ico-town voting for me??

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man i am not overwhelmed with Ico's iso...so much effort on tunnelling my slot. *shakes head*

i don't think i've been tunneling any slot this game so far

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hi bm

im feeling like shit today and skimmed but re: datisi I'm still townlean-ish on iv due to earlygame similarities to town!him but this war between iv and dats seems like white noise.

i do not understand you having a townread on iv AND datisi at this point (taking into account you just said you still town-lean datisi)

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ydrasse thoughts on iv vs ydrasse now asap

i think you're actually the most obvtown in this gamestate aorn, ico has kind of fallen off their town-ness

explain to me what made me drop in your reads please"

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563 seemed like dats going hey iv give me explanations its concerning, while not directly sring iv, which is discrediting

so

you scumread datisi

because he asked iv to explain reads

and wasn't scumreading iv yet?


datisi's been asking iv for reads so they can form a read, as clearly stated multiple times 'i can't get a read on this slot'
so datisi keeps asking for reads

and you go all 'omg dats isn't scumreading iv despite

asking for reads?

'

VOTE: shellyc

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you're free to change your mind but you're either failing to concisely explain your progression on iv (at a time that seems opportunistic) or you're misrepresenting it all, imo.

basicly, i have townreads on datisi/staarling/you

with a keeping eye on gypyx/bm

scumreading iv/shellyc, tho not necesarilly as a team

IV's interactions towards datisi don't seem like they come from a towny mindset, and obstruct more then they help. Granted, i've done the same as town once or twice so it's not set in stone.
Shellyc's read progression these last 5 or so pages is so absolutely terrible that i'm gonna dedicate an entire post to it soon

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also extremely curious what I did that made me drop on shellyc's reads

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also extremely curious what I did that made me drop on shellyc's reads

ico i feel like your read on datisi is weirdly confident and not re-evaluated at all since rvs.

my read on datisi is stronger now that he's being pushed by shellyc and iv
i've got *extensive* experience with them
i am also very much paranoid about the slot, but with what i see here there is no reason to scumread them at all

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Shellyc's read progression these last 5 or so pages is so absolutely terrible that i'm gonna dedicate an entire post to it soon

i realise my scumread on datisi before terrible therefore I'm now townlean on datisi

was that 1 post you quoted literally all you had on the 'pedantic' item?

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so shellyc, you say you read people by engaging with them and then coming to a conclusion

so why did you scumread datisi for trying to engage with iv and trying to come to a conclusion?

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If ya'll can hop aboard the shellyc train

we are departing soon for Execution-land

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shelly what made me drop down in your reads?

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datisi i'm townreading because they are sorting players out
is being stubborn about engaging with iv, which is less likely to happen when they are scum because of the (negative) attention it draws
scumtisi is more laid back, especially day 1
has bumped heads with me over my reads, which is very much in towntisi's range and very much not in scumtisi's range

is this completely out of scumtisi's range? probably not, but i am liking the slot

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ico i feel like your read on datisi is weirdly confident and not re-evaluated at all since rvs.

this

why aren't you pushing/scumreading ydrasse for their townread on staarling then?

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that reason is extremely weak given the confidence you had in town!me all game, and shouldn't offset the other major parts for which you townread me

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i mean dropoff wasnt that big + i did research on ydrascum that kind of raised ydra's position in my townzone which makes you not my #1 townread

the way you described me dropping off in your reads was very shadey

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i mean dropoff wasnt that big + i did research on ydrascum that kind of raised ydra's position in my townzone which makes you not my #1 townread

the way you described me dropping off in your reads was very shadey

ico: makes a super strong tr on someone that I've been going back and forth on
me: hmmm this is weird from ico maybe ico isn't that locktown

does that make sense or ?

i've had that read during the entire time where you went 'omg look at how obvtown ico is'

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so basicly i was making a big post on scum!shellyc

and during ISO re-read I kinda reaffirmed why i was townreading them pre-datisi shit push

the 'ur posts are pedantic' with only 1 (garbage) quote to back it up
and the 'ur not interested in solving iv' are extremely pinging me

because you don't have anything to back it up with, so you were shading datisi
and when pushed upon this, you simply retracted the push and went 'oh yeah oops i misread'

taking away this part in iso is a townread, but yeah

scumlean then i guess?

thoughts?

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Datisi

If you had a gun right now, aimed at GB/BM slot

do you pull the trigger y/n

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interesting indeed

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i asked because i wasn't sure yeah

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i wasn't townreading the GB slot for reasons and the rep-out didn't exactly make me reconsider

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gypyx/Shellyc
BM/IV

First bracket preference to flip on the spot
Second one is 'good enough' for me

varying degrees of townread on everyone else

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gypyx dropping off in activity right after the attention there stopped is pingy

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shellyc I think is at L-2, i'd love to see this put at L-1 and pressed for a claim at least

this game is ready to move on

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it's not that i really scumread what GB posted, it's more like I feel he'd done more fun stuff and RVS'ey as town, especially considering this playerlist

i know it's rough to push someone over not being hyped enough or smt, but it's something i'm thinking about

but coming in what what seems like a forced reads post isn't what I expected, and it pinged me as well so...

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yeah scratch that

rereading GB's ISO

i definitely scumread the opening posts

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datisi, you actually townlean/read GB coming in with hipfire shots at IV and Mini?

you don't expect him to be more casual/less forced as town?

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a vote on shellyc would go a long way, gypyx :p

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gypyx

your to-do list is getting a couple townreads (and maybe sheep them)

and explaining your GB scumread, which you promised to do a while ago

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@gypyx

page 29-32 ish is what you need to know wrt shellyc

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deadline is a thing, so anyone not explicitely townreading shellyc probably does good for the game by going to L-1

or explaining why it's terrible that i'm pushing for L-1 here

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gypyx

your to-do list is getting a couple townreads (and maybe sheep them)

and explaining your GB scumread, which you promised to do a while ago

I'd probably put by order of certainety : straaling / datisi / battle mage

I kinda forgot why i've been scumreading GB in the first place, pretty sure it was something like me thinking GB and iv were in a crossvote and that one of them was probably scum

So yea i've read the bm slot, GB seems actually like a pretty motivated slot that can't spare the effort, and bm looks uninformed and carefree

Pedit : i was gonna vote shelly but nah i don't wanna Exe-1, i'll try to finish reading as soon as i can

i've got no problem fast-flipping posts and reads like this

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You probably just read somewhere that 'straaling' is a uni townread, so you stick to that

You townread Datisi, but are unwilling to vote shellyc and don't see the scumpart in shellyc who shitpushed your number 2 townread?

GB read is fine or whatever

You also don't wanna Exe-1 someone you don't townread (you just gave a top 3 townread, shellyc not in it), who just tried to push one of your main townreads for crap reasons, and retracted everything faster then I could push it, with deadline this close because

'oh no I don't wanna put someone on l-1' is just terrible

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i thought that gypyx/shellyc could be a thing because gypyx didn't mention you in their townreads, but is also unwilling to simply put you at E-1 with only a day left on the clock and with gypyx's townread pushing you

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shellyc why are you willing to vote mini, when you haven't really pushed there?

i thought you said mini would be obvscum to you if scum, so??

**p'editoh look the gang's all here :p

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[youtube][/youtube]also

ctrl + F 'mini' in shellyc iso is a bitch lol

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why

is there a YouTube link

oh well

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not my finest daddy but i'll take it

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you should claim though, I'll be back later

not without a proper L-1 they're not

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damnit!! i was just reading the VC - it's a novelty to get an up to date VC these days... lol

this better be a joke...

latest vote count and shellyc's vote change is literally on the same page

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mini is basically a poe read at this point, I think I could also vote for iv GTH

why is mini in your PoE, and not in your townbin if you 'know' mini would obv!scum if scum?

reading your posts, it doesn't look like mini has been obvscumming to you so they should be townread, and not in your PoE?

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there's literally no reason for you to claim if this isn't going past 3 votes on you

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meh whatever

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UNVOTE:

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[youtube][/youtube]also

ctrl + F 'mini' in shellyc iso is a bitch lol

also @ydrasse i would like you to flesh out your datisi trajectory a bit more
are you still TRing there

I think
ico
iv ydrasse
staarling mini
dats
GB gypyx

i tried ctrl+f "mini" in shelly's iso but her signature is making that rather difficult lmao

pedit: UNVOTE:
huh