Gypyx's Mini Normal Review, October 2020

[Gypyx]

Egopost, i'll wait for your thoughts on the setup

[Gypyx]

Hmmmm, could you develop on the problems that massclaim D1 might bring? I don't think that this is likely to happen but for future balance it would be good to know

I'm fine with dropping the compulsive, just that i wanted to avoid the player not acting in case he wanted to avoid being unable to investigate someone in the future

This is correct yes

I think it's the contrary here, like, if there is someone obviously scum enough to be both targeted by the babysitter and hider, the hider will die too, kind of an asshole interaction now that i think of it... i'm fine with tweaking the multi bg babysitter

Personal rolestopper can act as an anti-protectetive strongman too as it doesn't block the scumkill

I'm fine with the game slithgly leaning scum

[Gypyx]

there should be two replacements for the Babysitter slots that bring the setup closer to true neutral on balance.

I don't get that sentance, could you explain?

[Gypyx]

Yeah, i'm not putting any backup without the primary role in the game, mod WIFOM isn't a good thing

[Gypyx]

By the way, i made a "power chart" to see if the setup is close to being balanced, and i might not evaluate correctly some PR's, but here's what i thought

Broken PR (bulletproof mason) : 15
Strong PR (cop) : 10
Decent PR (vig) : 8
Medium PR (tracker) : 6
Weak PR (Vanilla cop) : 3


Default : -15

Multi BG : 4
Backup baby : 5
Roaming det : 7
Tracker rber : 5
Disloayl hider : 2

Rolestopper : -4
JOAT : -5

Result : 23 vs 24

[Gypyx]

Maybe I’m not completely up to date on what Personal is. I thought it was like a Personal PT Cop wouldn’t get a positive result on Scum who’s only PT is the scum factional thread.

Yeah personal can also do that

[Gypyx]

Personal gunsmith could be a thing too i guess? Like, we're getting into the realm of weird roles, but a gunsmith who doesn't see mafia members as having a gun

Just a wild thought, i doubt that would fit into the spirit of normal games, even for me

[Gypyx]

Well, anyways i don't think these roles fit into the current setup, but i'm keeping those as ideas, also i don't agree on the point that newer modifiers / roles are more expected than others

[Gypyx]

Also, i'd kinda like this question answered : does this setup looks fun / original to you guys?

[Gypyx]

hmmm, that's interesting, but the lot of "lottery tickets" or as someone said "small little fun toys" is intentional, like, my last normal (2169) was townsided af, but the players still enjoyed a lot that kind of setup, so i'm trying to do it again and see if it was just a single occurance or if that's actually what normal players like

[Gypyx]

Yep got it, just wanted to say that i'm experimenting basically

[Gypyx]

Hmmm how about this : Multitasking Babysitter Compulsive Loud Bodyguard

And remove the compulsive from the detective


Also i had a small quality of life change in mind for maf :
Inform the JOAT that his activated informed ability tell him the list of all modifiers owned by town
To compensate, make the rolestopper Novice

[Gypyx]

Hmmm hold on, we might be getting into weirdness territory if my idea of a replacement for multi bg decides to target both him abilities at the same person

How about this :
Town Combined Friendly Neighbour Roleblocker
Town Backup Roleblocker
Town Roaming Detective
Town Lazy 2-shot Tracker 2-shot Motion Detector
Town Disloyal Hider

Mafia Novice 1-shot Personal Rolestopper
Mafia Informed Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer, Rolecop, Alien, Watcher, Activated Informed), knows that thier activated information tells them all the modifiers that town has
Mafia Goon

Yeah, that's a lot of poking around the setup, but i kinda struggle to find good modifications to make

[Gypyx]

No it also doesn't really work...

Help me review persons

[Gypyx]

Then the mafia rolestopper would need to be replaced, how about by a 2-shot Simple Disloyal Watcher?

[Gypyx]

I could just take down the personal modifier, yeah i'll do that

So :

Town Combined Friendly Neighbour Roleblocker
Town Backup Roleblocker
Town Roaming Detective
Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector
Town Disloyal Hider

Mafia Novice 1-shot Rolestopper
Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer, Rolecop, Alien, Watcher, Activated Informed), knows that thier activated information tells them all the modifiers that town has
Mafia Informed (knows that the mafia JOAT's informed ability tells him all of the modifiers owned by town)

[Gypyx]

Just that the personal lost all it's purpose

[Gypyx]

Rolestopper it is then

[Gypyx]

I'll start pre-writing the role PM's by the way

[Gypyx]

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour

Welcome ! You are a

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour

You may each night target a player, you will both

- make the moderator send a message to your target, confirming you as town
- prevent your target from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

FN message :

You know that [FRIENDLY NEIGHBOUR] is aligned with the

Town

Town Backup Roleblocker

Welcome ! You are a

Town Backup Roleblocker

If a roleblocker dies, you will become able to each night, target a player, that target will be prevented from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Town Roaming Detective

Welcome ! You are a

Town Roaming Detective

You may each night, target a player that you haven't targeted yet, you will learn if your target has performed any killing actions yet

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

[TARGET] has performed a kill

[TARGET] didn't perform any kill

You didn't receive any result, your action failed

Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

Welcome ! You are a

Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

On odd-Nights (night 1,3,5...) you may target a player, you will learn who your targeted visited, if he visited anyone

On even-Nights (night 2,4,6...) you may target a player, you will learn if any actions were performed by or on your target

If there is only one anti-town player left, your actions will fail

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

[TARGET] visited [name of visisted]

[TARGET] didn't visit anyone

You detected motion on [TARGET]

You didn't detect any motion on [TARGET]

Town Disloyal Hider

Welcome ! You are a

Town Disloyal Hider

You may each night, target a player, you will hide behind that player, making you immune to kill directed at you, but you will die if your target is killed, your action will only be successful if it targets a player who isn't aligned with you

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Vanilla Townie

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Townie

You have no other power than your voice and your vote

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Novice 1-shot Rolestopper

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Novice 1-Shot Rolestopper

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You may once during the game, on any other night than night 1, target a player, any actions directed at your target will fail

You win if you wipe you the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Rolecop ; Alien ; Watcher ; Activated informed)

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Rolecop ; Alien ; Watcher ; Activated informed)

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

On night 1 and 2, you may perform any of the following 1-shot abilities
-Neighborize a player, your target will be added to your Neighborhood
-Rolecop a player, you will learn thier full role but not thier alignement
-Alien a player, they will be prevented from taking any actions and any actions targeting them will fail
-Watch a player, you will know the identity of everyone who has visited your target
-Receive information

You win if you wipe you the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

Results (oh god there's a lot)

You have successfully added [TARGET] to your neighborhood, you may find it [HERE]

You have been added to a neighborhood ! You may find it [HERE]

[TARGET] is a [ROLE OF THE TARGET]

[TARGET] has been visited by (list of visitors)

[TARGET] hasn't been visited by anyone

You know that town power owns the following modifiers, and only those

Backup
Combined
Disloyal
Even-Night
Lazy
Odd-Night
Roaming

Mafia Informed

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Informed

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You know that there is a mafia night 1,2 JOAT with an activated informed ability, this ability will tell him all the modifiers owned by town power roles, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if you wipe you the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

[Gypyx]

look at that absolute monster of a role PM for the mafia JOAT lmao

[Gypyx]

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

Welcome ! You are a

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

You may each night target a player, you will both

- make the moderator send a message to your target, confirming you as town
- prevent your target from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

FN message :

You know that [FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR] is aligned with the

Town

Town Backup Roleblocker

Welcome ! You are a

Town Backup Roleblocker

If a roleblocker dies, you will become able to each night, target a player, that target will be prevented from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Town Roaming Detective

Welcome ! You are a

Town Roaming Detective

You may each night, target a player that you haven't targeted yet, you will learn if your target has performed any killing actions yet

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

[TARGET] has performed a kill

[TARGET] didn't perform any kill

You didn't receive any result, your action failed

Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

Welcome ! You are a

Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

On odd-Nights (night 1,3,5...) you may target a player, you will learn who your targeted visited, if he visited anyone

On even-Nights (night 2,4,6...) you may target a player, you will learn if any actions were performed by or on your target

If there is only one anti-town player left, your actions will fail

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

[TARGET] visited [name of visisted]

[TARGET] didn't visit anyone

You detected motion on [TARGET]

You didn't detect any motion on [TARGET]

Town Disloyal Hider

Welcome ! You are a

Town Disloyal Hider

You may each night, target a player, you will hide behind that player, making you immune to kill directed at you, but you will die if your target is killed, your action will only be successful if it targets a player who isn't aligned with you

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Vanilla Townie

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Townie

You have no other power than your voice and your vote

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Novice 1-shot Rolestopper

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Novice 1-Shot Rolestopper

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You may once during the game, on any other night than night 1, target a player, any actions directed at your target will fail

You win if you wipe you the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Rolecop ; Alien ; Watcher ; Activated informed)

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Rolecop ; Alien ; Watcher ; Activated informed)

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

On night 1 and 2, you may perform any of the following 1-shot abilities
-Neighborize a player, your target will be added to your Neighborhood
-Rolecop a player, you will learn thier full role but not thier alignement
-Alien a player, they will be prevented from taking any actions and any actions targeting them will fail
-Watch a player, you will know the identity of everyone who has visited your target
-Receive information

You win if you wipe you the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

Results (oh god there's a lot)

You have successfully added [TARGET] to your neighborhood, you may find it [HERE]

You have been added to a neighborhood ! You may find it [HERE]

[TARGET] is a [ROLE OF THE TARGET]

[TARGET] has been visited by (list of visitors)

[TARGET] hasn't been visited by anyone

You know that town power owns the following modifiers, and only those

Backup
Combined
Disloyal
Even-Night
Lazy
Odd-Night
Roaming

Mafia Informed

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Informed

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You know that there is a mafia night 1,2 JOAT with an activated informed ability, this ability will tell him all the modifiers owned by town power roles, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if you wipe you the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

[Gypyx]

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour

Welcome ! You are a

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbour

You may each night target a player, you will both

- make the moderator send a message to your target, confirming you as town
- prevent your target from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

FN message :

You know that [FRIENDLY NEIGHBOUR] is aligned with the

Town

Town Backup Roleblocker

Welcome ! You are a

Town Backup Roleblocker

If a roleblocker dies, you will become able to each night, target a player, that target will be prevented from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Town Roaming Detective

Welcome ! You are a

Town Roaming Detective

You may each night, target a player that you haven't targeted yet, you will learn if your target has performed or attempted any killing actions yet

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

[TARGET] has performed a kill

[TARGET] didn't perform any kill

You didn't receive any result, your action failed

Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

Welcome ! You are a

Town Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

On odd-Nights (night 1,3,5...) you may target a player, you will learn who your targeted visited, if he visited anyone

On even-Nights (night 2,4,6...) you may target a player, you will learn if any actions were performed by or on your target

If there is only one anti-town player left, your actions will fail

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

[TARGET] visited [name of visisted]

[TARGET] didn't visit anyone

You detected motion on [TARGET]

You didn't detect any motion on [TARGET]

Town Disloyal Hider

Welcome ! You are a

Town Disloyal Hider

You may each night, target a player, you will hide behind that player, making you immune to kill directed at you, but you will die if your target is killed, your action will only be successful if it targets a player who isn't aligned with you

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Vanilla Townie

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Townie

You have no other power than your voice and your vote

Your goal is to eliminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Novice 1-shot Rolestopper

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Novice 1-Shot Rolestopper

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You may once during the game, on any other night than night 1, target a player, any actions directed at your target will fail

You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Rolecop ; Alien ; Watcher ; Activated informed)

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Night 1,2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Rolecop ; Alien ; Watcher ; Activated informed)

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

On night 1 and 2, you may perform any of the following 1-shot abilities
-Neighborize a player, your target will be added to your Neighborhood
-Rolecop a player, you will learn thier full role but not thier alignement
-Alien a player, they will be prevented from taking any actions and any actions targeting them will fail
-Watch a player, you will know the identity of everyone who has visited your target this night
-Receive information

You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

Results (oh god there's a lot)

You have successfully added [TARGET] to your neighborhood, you may find it [HERE]

You have been added to a neighborhood ! You may find it [HERE]

[TARGET] is a [ROLE OF THE TARGET]

[TARGET] has been visited by (list of visitors)

[TARGET] hasn't been visited by anyone

You know that town power owns the following modifiers, and only those

Backup
Combined
Disloyal
Even-Night
Lazy
Odd-Night
Roaming

Mafia Informed

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Informed

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You know that [PLAYER] is a mafia night 1,2 JOAT with an activated informed ability, this ability will tell him all the modifiers owned by town power roles, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

[Gypyx]

So, does the detcive get a positive result

On someone who's target was protected?

On someone who was roleblocked?

[Gypyx]

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Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

Welcome ! You are a

Town Combined Roleblocker Friendly Neighbor

You may each night target a player, you will both

- make the moderator send a message to your target, confirming you as town
- prevent your target from taking any actions this night

Your goal is to eleminate every threat to the town, you may find the game thread here

(I copied the wrong PM's

[Gypyx]

Okay, so does the rolePMs look good?

[Gypyx]

MAFIA INFORMED

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Informed

You are part of the mafia along with [PLAYER] and [PLAYER] You may talk in your factional chat here, you may also chose to perform the factional nightkill

You know that [PLAYER] is a mafia night 1,2 JOAT with an activated informed ability, this ability will tell them all the modifiers owned by town power roles, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if you wipe out the town, or if nothing can prevent this, you may find the game thread here

[Gypyx]

Thanks, i hope this will be a good game yes

If you wanna spectate juste tell me i'll give you dead PT access, or i could maybe use a backup moderator if you wanna spare the time to do this

[Gypyx]

Oh hey btw sorry for bothering but an endgame scenario crossed my mind

Roleblocker or hider vs mafia, who wins?

[Gypyx]

Ty

[Gypyx]

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