Mizzytastic's Large Normal Review, October 2020

[Mizzytastic]

Hey, just wanted to say in the game balance thread there's been discussion that predesigns get held to a higher standard of ensuring its something people want. I'm happy to be held to that standard for a better game.

Also ego

[Mizzytastic]

Role Watcher gets role names, instead of player names. It's listed as normal on the wiki but if that's inaccurate I'm happy to change it been as if it's not normal it's also not necessary for the initial design idea I had

[Mizzytastic]

UB was me trying to avoid town getting loads of night actions all at once cos that was a problem with hey first draft of my previous design. An activated IC + IC backup does sound interesting instead but I'd be worried about the two ungated protectives just keeping the IC alive or being a required use of the strongman shot or something. Maybe the rolestopper would need to be indecisive?

[Mizzytastic]

I was going with that order with the UB because that was on the wiki. Is that something that gets mentioned in the role pm (generalised to hide what multiple kills there can be of course) or just answered if the player asks?

Pedit: again, I'm going off the wiki here and it was unclear. I guess it's a bit stronger for the scum that way, but fairer for them to know it's gone. Am I right in understanding that a ninja or strongman shot applies for all the relevant abilities that night?

[Mizzytastic]

Role cop (and watcher) would just get the commuter part of the sk cos sk is alignment. Same way a plain sk is vanilla. I guess there is a world where town role watcher sees the sk kill (which they know is a kill cos commuter don't target), scum have role copped the sk and put two and two together but I'm not sure that's worthy making the role cop a one shot over? I guess it also makes it harder for sk to claim a vig. Maybe informing the sk that claiming vig in some way is risky is enough - two players from cross alignments catching the sk out by combing results seems reasonable to me?

Macho would work that way, wiki says it's specifically doctors and bodyguards.

[Mizzytastic]

If Ircher is OK with it too I'll get all the extra stuff up tomorrow (probably afternoon uk time)

[Mizzytastic]

I like an odd night rolestopper to line up with the novice starting on night 2.

[Mizzytastic]

I figured the role watcher was relatively weak so didn't need to gate it but if it had needed gating/modifying i had thought about making it loud

[Mizzytastic]

Though I'm not entirely sure how loud interacts with all the blocking floating around. I guess it just doesn't happen so no noise?

[Mizzytastic]

Mafia Large Normal 2XX | Etymologies

A game of hidden roles and social deduction.

Modded by

Mizzytastic

. Backup modded by

the worst

. Reviewed for normalcy and balance by

Flavor Leaf

and

Ircher

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In this game I will be sharing entries from one of my favourite sites etymonline.com, an etymology dictionary. Sometimes I will be sharing words related to the game of mafia (though obviously not relevant for determining what is going on in the game), sometimes I will go down rabbit holes of related words, sometimes I'll highlight words I know with interesting etymologies or relations and sometimes I'll just get curious about a word and post whatever I find.

game (n.)

c. 1200, from Old English

gamen

"joy, fun; game, amusement," common Germanic (cognates: Old Frisian

game

"joy, glee," Old Norse

gaman

"game, sport; pleasure, amusement," Old Saxon

gaman

, Old High German

gaman

"sport, merriment," Danish

gamen

, Swedish

gamman

"merriment"), said to be identical with Gothic

gaman

"participation, communion," from Proto-Germanic

*ga

- collective prefix +

*mann

"person," giving a sense of "people together."

The -

en

was lost perhaps through being mistaken for a suffix. Meaning "contest for success or superiority played according to rules" is first attested c. 1200 (of athletic contests, chess, backgammon). Especially "the sport of hunting, fishing, hawking, or fowling" (c. 1300), thus "wild animals caught for sport" (c. 1300), which is the

game

in

fair game

(see under

fair

(adj.)), also

gamey

. Meaning "number of points required to win a game" is from 1830.

Game plan

is 1941, from U.S. football;

game show

first attested 1961.

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Spoiler: Dead

No one

yet

Spoiler: Replacements

Spoiler: Spectators

Important Events

Night 0

:

Pregame

[Mizzytastic]

I'm trying a new format for my rules posts and would appreciate feedback at any point during the game via PM. Evolution of my rules/formatting has been inspired by Korina and Plotinus, and feedback from xofelf.

Golden Rule

Golden Rule

: If I think it counts it counts. Don't play around with edge cases then plead you didn't mean it to be interpreted that way.

Content and Etiquette

Site Rules

: Follow all site rules. Common mistakes are talking about ongoing games and discussing replacements, and playing to achieve your win condition.

Keep it civil

: This is a game where we get to call each other scum and manipulate and lie to others. Beyond that please keep it civil, I don't ever want to reach the point where I don't want to read the game I'm running. If you feel like a player has gone too far but hasn't stopped after you ask them to please contact me.

Don't use "lynch"

: In solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement the site is moving away from using the words "lynch" and "hang". If you are unsure of an alternative I suggest elimination, elim, E-1, ELo, MELo etc.

Readibility

: Everyone should be able to read your posts. This is an English language site so use English. Avoid using text

smaller than 75

. Don't use BBCode features in a way that makes your posts difficult to read.

Concealed messages

: Cryptography is not permitted. Steganography (hidden text/messages) is not permitted other than breadcrumming.

Provable randomness

: You are not permitted to use a provably random or pseudo-random (most computer generated random numbers) results in the game. Saying you did without showing the evidence is not provable and so permitted.

Communications and Private Threads

Other threads

: You may talk in any game threads you have access to at any time, unless specified elsewhere (e.g. the

Game Setup

post or your Role PM).

Private Notes Thread

: You may request a private note thread. You may post in that thread at any time.

Quoting

: Quoting this thread in this thread is always ok. You may quote this thread in other game related threads you have access to. You may not quote any other game related threads in this one. You may draft a post in a private notes thread, but copy and paste the content without quote tags. You may not quote any mod communications. Paraphrasing any of these things is ok, creating a fake quote is not.

Claiming mafia

: Part of paraphrasing mod communications is claiming roles. Claiming to be part of an anti-town faction is ok. Claiming your team mates, real or faked, is not.

Redactions

: The

Dead and Spectators Thread

will be released at the end of the game. Any other threads will be released 48 hours after game end, or when all players in them have said it is ok to release them. You can use that 48 hours to redact posts or request the thread isn't released.

Communicating with the mod

: If you want to VOTE: XXXX or UNVOTE: XXXX use the appropriate tags, I skim looking for those tags when doing a vote count and may miss it otherwise. If you want to get my attention for some other reason

bold

it or PM me, otherwise I may miss it and not answer.

Mod Colour

:

#8000FF

is my prefered colour. You can use it but don't

bold

it, or use it to imitate me.

Deadlines, Activity and V/LA

Pre-game

: The game is locked during pre-game and confirmation. Once all Role PMs have been sent people have 48 hours to reply via PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

with their role and alignment. The game will start after 16/20 players have confirmed or the 48 hours have passed, after which unconfirmed players will be replaced.

Day-time

: Day 1 lasts for 12 days (288 hours). Later days last for 10 days (240 hours). Once 10 or fewer players are alive deadlines will be reduced to 8 days (192 hours).

Night-time

: Night lasts for 48 hours. The game thread is locked during night. Night actions can be submitted by PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

. You will be reminded of any pending night actions 24 hours before night ends - this is not a prod. Night actions submitted after the deadline but before I process the results are forfeited.

Quick night

: If all living players request a quick night, I will resolve the night phase as soon as possible.

Prods and replacements

: You will be prodded after not posting for 48 hours, or 72 hours over the weekend or when

V/LA

. You will have 24 hours to post or be replaced. If you are prodded 3 times you will be replaced. If you repeatedly post close to prod timer or respond to prods without game advancing content I reserve the right to give you stricter activity requirements.

V/LA

: You can go Vacation/Low Access by requesting in thread, by PM or the option in your User Control Panel. If you are V/LA for longer than 72 hours with no expectation of access request a replacement instead. I reserve the right to seek a replacement if a player is V/LA for a long period of time.

Game Actions and Death

Voting

: You can vote for a player or a no elimination with VOTE: XXXX vote tags. If a majority is reached that player (or no one) will be eliminated and the game will enter twilight. If the deadline for the day is reached without a majority no one is eliminated. (

bolded

votes will be counted but I am very likely to miss them so please don't)

Twilight

: Twilight is the time period between a majority vote or deadline and me locking the thread. The voted player is not currently dead and may talk normally. Votes are no longer counted.

Death

: You are dead once I have revealed your role and alignment. You will gain access to the

Dead and Spectators Thread

. You may still post in a Private Notes Thread but not in any other game threads, not even a contentless BAH post.

Night Actions

: Night actions can be submitted by PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

. You will be reminded of any pending night actions 24 hours before night ends - this is not a prod.

[Mizzytastic]

Setup

Day talk

: If you are a member of a shared private thread you may talk there at any time, including the day, as long as you are alive, unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Action Resolution and Multitasking

: Actions are resolved according to Natural Action Resolution. If you have multiple night actions available you may only perform one unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Win Conditions

: Win conditions for

Town

and

Mafia

are as follows:

Town

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Mafia

: You win when all players not aligned with you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Sample Roles

: Below are an example role for a

Vanilla Townie

and a

Mafia Goon

. At least 2 players are a Vanilla Townie. 1 or more players might be a Mafia Goon.

Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Should I include a sample win con/role pm for a vanilla sk or just leave it unless someone asks? Alternatively should I just make a generic anti-town win con?

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Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town 2-Shot Rolestopper

You are a

Town 2-Shot Rolestopper

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Twice during the game, you may visit a player at night to protect them. All other actions targeting that player will be blocked.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

And been as you also seemed ameanable to this, the ability for the odd-nights version.

Is odd-nights still ok? I still think I prefer it if it is an option to 2-shot. Maybe mix both and make it Nights 1,3,5 only?

odd nights ability

Each odd night (night 1, night 3, night 5, etc), you may visit a player to protect them. All other actions targeting that player will be blocked.

Role Watcher

You are a

Town Role Watcher

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to watch them. You will learn the roles (but not alignments) of all other players who visit them. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME was visited by

ROLENAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME was visited by

no one

", or "You got

no result

from watching TARGETNAME".

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Lazy Roleblocker

You are a

Town Lazy Roleblocker

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to block them. Any actions they take will be blocked. Your action will fail if there is only one player left alive who is not a member of the town.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Novice Combined Tracker Doctor

You are a

Novice Combined Tracker Doctor

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night, except Night 1, you may visit a player to both protect and track them. One kill targetting that player will be prevented and you will learn all other players that your target visited. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME visited

PLAYERNAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME visited

no one

" or "You got

no result

from tracking TARGETNAME."

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Macho Activated Innocent Child

You are a

Macho Activated Innocent Child

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

A

Doctor

or

Bodyguard

cannot prevent your death.

At any time you may PM me to make me post this message in the game thread.

YOURNAME is aligned with the

Town

.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Universal Backup

You are a

Town Universal Backup

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

The first time a non-vanilla player aligned with the town dies you will lose this ability and gain all abilities that player had as part of their role. You do not learn about their actions with the role, or reset the number of shots remaining on an X-shot ability.

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

If multiple suitable players die at the same time the target of the mafia will be the source of the new ability.

If this player gets the ability from the IC they may activate it again whenever they want, as activated IC doesn't have a X-shots limit, just an X-useful-shots limit.

Rolecop

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

You form a

Mafia

family along with

XXXX

, a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

,

YYYY

a

Mafia 1-shot Ninja

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may visit a player to learn their role (but not their alignment). At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGET name is a

ROLENAME

" or "You got no result from investigating

TARGETNAME

"

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not investigate a player and kill a player on the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Strongman

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Rolecop

,

YYYY

a

Mafia 1-shot Ninja

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

One night during the game you may act as a Strongman. A kill you perform that night cannot be protected against or blocked. Roles that prevent targetting (in a Normal game a Commuter or a Hider), still prevent you from killing them.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Ninja

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Rolecop

,

XXXX

a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

One night during the game you may act as a Ninja. Action investigative roles (in a Normal game a Tracker, Follower, Watcher, Voyeur, Motion Detector or Role Watcher) will get results as if you performed no action that night.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Bulletproof

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Rolecop

,

XXXX

a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

and

YYYY

, a

Mafia 1-shot Ninja

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

The first time you would die at night, that death is prevented.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

If protectives target the bulletproof the order I am using to resolve is Rolestopper (prevents all active) -> Bulletproof (prevents 1 passive) -> Doctor (prevents 1 active)

Non-consecutive nights commuter serial killer

You are a

Non-Consecutive Nights Commuter Serial Killer

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night, if you didn't do so on the previous night, you may commute. Other players actions cannot target you, even actions that would normally get through prevention effects.

Each night, you may visit a player. Assuming no interference that player will die. You may not commute and kill a player on the same night.

You win when all players other than you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

[Mizzytastic]

In reference to the l-word I included the BLM part after seeing it in someone elses ruleset but I can understand why it is antagonising and will remove. I think I'd like to keep the rule been as it's only a few months since that change, it's not as prominent as it was in stickies etc. and it's not made it's way into the site rules.

The not claiming mafia rule is one I've just copied from other people, I have no qualms about if it stays or goes.

I knew I had the night action bit twice, it felt relevant to both parts of the rules and I wasn't sure where was best to remove it from if I did.

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I didn't know that about the multiball win conditions, will change.

I hadn't thought about that "attempt to" phrasing and I like it but I'm concerned someone could look at my previous game and try and make an inference about the set up from it. Is that a problem?

Will make that change to the lazy roleblocker.

Ahh, I mentioned the resolution order in my initial setup pm as something I wasn't sure of, and figured it was up to me when it didn't get a reply. I'm happy to follow what is typical.

[Mizzytastic]

I'll add it then, I agree it sounds better. My last game had a roleblocker anyway.

[Mizzytastic]

In reference to the l-word I included the BLM part after seeing it in someone elses ruleset but I can understand why it is antagonising and will remove. I think I'd like to keep the rule been as it's only a few months since that change, it's not as prominent as it was in stickies etc. and it's not made it's way into the site rules.

The not claiming mafia rule is one I've just copied from other people, I have no qualms about if it stays or goes.

I knew I had the night action bit twice, it felt relevant to both parts of the rules and I wasn't sure where was best to remove it from if I did.

I also made the part about playing to win con in site rules less ambiguous

Spoiler: rules post

I'm trying a new format for my rules posts and would appreciate feedback at any point during the game via PM. Evolution of my rules/formatting has been inspired by Korina and Plotinus, and feedback from xofelf.

Golden Rule

Golden Rule

: If I think it counts it counts. Don't play around with edge cases then plead you didn't mean it to be interpreted that way.

Content and Etiquette

Site Rules

: Follow all site rules. Common mistakes are talking about ongoing games and discussing replacements, and players not playing to achieve their win condition.

Keep it civil

: This is a game where we get to call each other scum and manipulate and lie to others. Beyond that please keep it civil, I don't ever want to reach the point where I don't want to read the game I'm running. If you feel like a player has gone too far but hasn't stopped after you ask them to please contact me.

Don't use "lynch"

: The site is in the process of moving away from using the words "lynch" and "hang". If you are unsure of an alternative I suggest elimination, elim, E-1, ELo, MELo etc.

Readibility

: Everyone should be able to read your posts. This is an English language site so use English. Avoid using text

smaller than 75

. Don't use BBCode features in a way that makes your posts difficult to read.

Concealed messages

: Cryptography is not permitted. Steganography (hidden text/messages) is not permitted other than breadcrumming.

Provable randomness

: You are not permitted to use a provably random or pseudo-random (most computer generated random numbers) results in the game. Saying you did without showing the evidence is not provable and so permitted.

Communications and Private Threads

Other threads

: You may talk in any game threads you have access to at any time, unless specified elsewhere (e.g. the

Game Setup

post or your Role PM).

Private Notes Thread

: You may request a private note thread. You may post in that thread at any time.

Quoting

: Quoting this thread in this thread is always ok. You may quote this thread in other game related threads you have access to. You may not quote any other game related threads in this one. You may draft a post in a private notes thread, but copy and paste the content without quote tags. You may not quote any mod communications. Paraphrasing any of these things is ok, creating a fake quote is not.

Claiming mafia

: Part of paraphrasing mod communications is claiming roles. Claiming to be part of an anti-town faction is ok. Many mods ban claiming your team mates, whether real or faked. If you do want to claim your team mates, real or fake, I ask you to strongly consider if it could be considered playing against your win con and check with me if you are unsure.

Redactions

: The

Dead and Spectators Thread

will be released at the end of the game. Any other threads will be released 48 hours after game end, or when all players in them have said it is ok to release them. You can use that 48 hours to redact posts or request the thread isn't released.

Communicating with the mod

: If you want to VOTE: XXXX or UNVOTE: XXXX use the appropriate tags, I skim looking for those tags when doing a vote count and may miss it otherwise. If you want to get my attention for some other reason

bold

it or PM me, otherwise I may miss it and not answer.

Mod Colour

:

#8000FF

is my prefered colour. You can use it but don't

bold

it, or use it to imitate me.

Deadlines, Activity and V/LA

Pre-game

: The game is locked during pre-game and confirmation. Once all Role PMs have been sent people have 48 hours to reply via PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

with their role and alignment. The game will start after 16/20 players have confirmed or the 48 hours have passed, after which unconfirmed players will be replaced.

Day-time

: Day 1 lasts for 12 days (288 hours). Later days last for 10 days (240 hours). Once 10 or fewer players are alive deadlines will be reduced to 8 days (192 hours).

Night-time

: Night lasts for 48 hours. The game thread is locked during night. See

Night Actions

in the next section for more info about how they work.

Quick night

: If all living players request a quick night, I will resolve the night phase as soon as possible.

Prods and replacements

: You will be prodded after not posting for 48 hours, or 72 hours over the weekend or when

V/LA

. You will have 24 hours to post or be replaced. If you are prodded 3 times you will be replaced. If you repeatedly post close to prod timer or respond to prods without game advancing content I reserve the right to give you stricter activity requirements.

V/LA

: You can go Vacation/Low Access by requesting in thread, by PM or the option in your User Control Panel. If you are V/LA for longer than 72 hours with no expectation of access request a replacement instead. I reserve the right to seek a replacement if a player is V/LA for a long period of time.

Game Actions and Death

Voting

: You can vote for a player or a no elimination with VOTE: XXXX vote tags. If a majority is reached that player (or no one) will be eliminated and the game will enter twilight. If the deadline for the day is reached without a majority no one is eliminated. (

bolded

votes will be counted but I am very likely to miss them so please don't)

Twilight

: Twilight is the time period between a majority vote or deadline and me locking the thread. The voted player is not currently dead and may talk normally. Votes are no longer counted.

Death

: You are dead once I have revealed your role and alignment. You will gain access to the

Dead and Spectators Thread

. You may still post in a Private Notes Thread but not in any other game threads, not even a contentless BAH post.

Night Actions

: Night actions can be submitted by PM or the

Mafia Private Thread

. You will be reminded of any pending night actions 24 hours before night ends - this is not a prod. Night actions submitted after the deadline but before I process the results are forfeited.

I didn't know that about the multiball win conditions, will change.

I hadn't thought about that "attempt to" phrasing and I like it but I'm concerned someone could look at my previous game and try and make an inference about the set up from it. Is that a problem?

Will make that change to the lazy roleblocker.

Ahh, I mentioned the resolution order in my initial setup pm as something I wasn't sure of, and figured it was up to me when it didn't get a reply. I'm happy to follow what is typical.

Spoiler: setup

Setup

Day talk

: If you are a member of a shared private thread you may talk there at any time, including the day, as long as you are alive, unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Action Resolution and Multitasking

: Actions are resolved according to Natural Action Resolution. If you have multiple night actions available you may only perform one unless your Role PM says otherwise.

Win Conditions

: Win conditions for

Town

and

Mafia

are as follows:

Town

: You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

Mafia

: You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least 1 member of your mafia family is alive, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Sample Roles

: Below are an example role for a

Vanilla Townie

and a

Mafia Goon

. At least 2 players are a Vanilla Townie. 1 or more players might be a Mafia Goon.

Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

You form a

Mafia

family along with REDACTED.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least 1 member of your mafia family is alive, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is REDACTED, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Spoiler: roles

Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Town 2-Shot Rolestopper

You are a

Town 2-Shot Rolestopper

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Twice during the game, you may attempt to visit a player at night to protect them. All other actions targeting that player will be blocked.

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

And been as you also seemed ameanable to this, the ability for the odd-nights version.

Is odd-nights still ok? I still think I prefer it if it is an option to 2-shot. Maybe mix both and make it Nights 1,3,5 only?

odd nights ability

Each odd night (night 1, night 3, night 5, etc), you may attempt to visit a player to protect them. All other actions targeting that player will be blocked.

Role Watcher

You are a

Town Role Watcher

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to watch them. You will learn the roles (but not alignments) of all other players who visit them. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME was visited by

ROLENAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME was visited by

no one

", or "You got

no result

from watching TARGETNAME".

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Lazy Roleblocker

You are a

Town Lazy Roleblocker

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to block them. Any actions they take will be blocked. Your action will fail if there is only one player left alive who is not a member of the town at the beginning of the night.

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Novice Combined Tracker Doctor

You are a

Novice Combined Tracker Doctor

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night, except Night 1, you may attempt to visit a player to both protect and track them. One kill targetting that player will be prevented and you will learn all other players that your target visited. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME visited

PLAYERNAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME visited

no one

" or "You got

no result

from tracking TARGETNAME."

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive..

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Macho Activated Innocent Child

You are a

Macho Activated Innocent Child

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

A

Doctor

or

Bodyguard

cannot prevent your death.

At any time you may PM me to make me post this message in the game thread.

YOURNAME is aligned with the

Town

.

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Universal Backup

You are a

Town Universal Backup

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

The first time a non-vanilla player aligned with the town dies you will lose this ability and gain all abilities that player had as part of their role. You do not learn about their actions with the role, or reset the number of shots remaining on an X-shot ability.

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

If multiple suitable players die at the same time the target of the mafia will be the source of the new ability.

If this player gets the ability from the IC they may activate it again whenever they want, as activated IC doesn't have a X-shots limit, just an X-useful-shots limit.

Rolecop

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

You form a

Mafia

family along with

XXXX

, a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

,

YYYY

a

Mafia 1-shot Ninja

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to learn their role (but not their alignment). At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGET name is a

ROLENAME

" or "You got no result from investigating

TARGETNAME

"

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die. You may not investigate a player and kill a player on the same night.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least 1 member of your mafia family is alive, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Strongman

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Rolecop

,

YYYY

a

Mafia 1-shot Ninja

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

One night during the game you may act as a Strongman. A kill you perform that night cannot be protected against or blocked. Roles that prevent targetting (in a Normal game a Commuter or a Hider), still prevent you from killing them.

Each night a member of your family may attempt to perform a factional kill. A member of your family will visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least 1 member of your mafia family is alive, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Ninja

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Rolecop

,

XXXX

a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

and

ZZZZ

, a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

One night during the game you may act as a Ninja. Action investigative roles (in a Normal game a Tracker, Follower, Watcher, Voyeur, Motion Detector or Role Watcher) will get results as if you performed no action that night.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt to visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least 1 member of your mafia family is alive, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

Bulletproof

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof

You form a

Mafia

family along with

WWWW

, a

Mafia Rolecop

,

XXXX

a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

and

YYYY

, a

Mafia 1-shot Ninja

. You share a private thread which you can talk in at any time, including the day.

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

The first time you would die at night, that death is prevented.

Each night a member of your family may perform a factional kill. A member of your family will attempt visit a player, and assuming no interference that player will die.

You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least 1 member of your mafia family is alive, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

and your Mafia private thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm or your private thread.

If protectives target the bulletproof the order I am using to resolve is Rolestopper -> Doctor -> Bulletproof

Non-consecutive nights commuter serial killer

You are a

Non-Consecutive Nights Commuter Serial Killer

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night, if you didn't do so on the previous night, you may commute. Other players actions cannot target you, even actions that would normally get through prevention effects.

Each night, you may attempt to visit a player. Assuming no interference that player will die. You may not commute and kill a player on the same night.

You win when all players other than you are dead, or nothing can prevent that from happening.

The game thread is

here

, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

Still waiting on:

• Do I need a sample sk win con, or sample vanilla sk role pm?
  
• Is the rolestopper ok being odd nights, or should I go with 2 shot to be safe?
  
• I didn't use the
  attempt to
  language for the bodyguard and ninja because I don't think those can be blocked, but I wanted to double check that is correct?

[Mizzytastic]

No more questions.

[Mizzytastic]

Hey, just wanted to check what name a Backup has after they activate. I originally thought they kept the role name, but reading the wiki gave me some doubts. implosion also thinks it probably keeps the backup role name but I should ask in here to get some extra opinions