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Post #0 (isolation #0) » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:41 pm
Postby Isis »
The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #2 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:04 am
Postby Isis »
I think that's equivalent, after a little stretching on what kinds of things Simple can modify.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #4 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:27 am
Postby Isis »
Yes. But it's not free because the opportunity for a flagbearer win is permanently sacrificed.
The EV math was tricky but I think I got it right on both things being fair
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #10 (isolation #3) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:16 am
Postby Isis »
The random vengeful balances the EV of choosing to eliminate firefighters versus choosing to eliminate residents first. Without the vengeful, eliminating residents would be a bad strategy that's inferior by at least 10% EV. If all 3 residents got the vengeful instead of just one, it would swing the opposite way by at least 10% EV. With just one it's balanced.
It doesn't need to be random. The mafia could choose based on a list. That is probably better it creates something that can be read.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #11 (isolation #4) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:07 am
Postby Isis »
The vengeful has to be unaware also due to the Named Townie effect Mizzy is referencing
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #12 (isolation #5) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:05 am
Postby Isis »
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #15 (isolation #6) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:27 pm
Postby Isis »
Criticizing the flavour was good actionable input
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #16 (isolation #7) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:35 pm
Postby Isis »
Spoiler: previous revision
If I didn't miscalculate, I'm getting an EV of 0.5 for the strategy "start with firefighters" and an EV of 0.5167 for the strategy "start with Residents".
I might want to reflavor this.
Is this fun?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post #18 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:54 pm
Postby Isis »
Huh?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"