mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[MathBlade]

It's literally never in your interest to suicide.
I don't think the information trade was worth it.
But I mean, I don't really care.

This. 100% this.

[MathBlade]

You’re thinking your hood’s plan is amazing who would resist?

That has been the thinking the entire fuckin game.

I resisted April lynch therefore scum.
Diamond Sentinel resisted therefore scum.
Taylor resists suiciding for no return therefore scum.

How about your hood pulls it’s head out of its own butt and actually tries to put itself in another person’s shoes rather than being the holiest of holy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if it's a plan people disagree with i don't see why it necessarily indicates it was all for some nefarious purpose.

[MathBlade]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

[Titus]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

[MathBlade]

Now if you gave someone a Vig when they suicided I could see that maaaaaybe being okay but risky AF. As it stands this Suicide is -EV. No one town or scum ever takes you up on that plan. Scumreading them for that is rather stupid at best, malicious at worst and I am really really struggling as to how this is just stupid and if I have to struggle that much the right answer is maliciousness.

[Titus]

....
They're accelerating the game that from my perspective can only really be a good thing.
She can also control who she blows up on, so they're giving her the option to pick whoever she wants.
If she's scum she should just explode on one of the town or whatever.
If she's town, she's got pretty good shot of just hitting scum.

Taylor is not a suicide bomber. Only she dies. She just has input on who dies if we're wrong.

[MathBlade]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

That’s literally scum siding.

Scum for all intents and purposes cannot win if we lynch kill lynch kill.

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.

Why? Scum will never night kill Tayl0r if they are town.
Double eliminations means all the deaths will be town directed. All scum nightkills are scum directed and will necessarily be kills made on any of the hood members.

[Titus]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

That’s literally scum siding.

Scum for all intents and purposes cannot win if we lynch kill lynch kill.

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.

Huh?

If Taylor refuses to suicide, we lynch scum. Guaranteed.
If she suicides as town, we get a 50/50 on scum.

If she refuses and is town, we lose a lynch opportunity and scum are in a better spot. This is foolish.

That's simple basic math. Something that you're failing to grasp.

I defended you when Nero was FoSing you for disagreeing. Here seems a bridge too far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Our plan= "2 town directed deaths to lower PoE. 1 scum kills"
Your plan= "1 town directed death to lower PoE. 1 scum kill"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or it's just an guaranteed scum elimination as Titus explained.

[MathBlade]

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.

Why? Scum will never night kill Tayl0r if they are town.
Double eliminations means all the deaths will be town directed. All scum nightkills are scum directed and will necessarily be kills made on any of the hood members.

And what makes you say they won’t?

Let’s pretend for a moment that the Nero hood is gone and Taylor is town and it’s down to one scum and another Townie. (Unlikely I know but pretend) In this scenario they shoot Taylor.

Unless you’re psychic never is hyperbole. (I’ve used it before too) You’re not asking why the masons only had one die last night.(yes yes not masons blah blah) what changed?

[MathBlade]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

That’s literally scum siding.

Scum for all intents and purposes cannot win if we lynch kill lynch kill.

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.

Huh?

If Taylor refuses to suicide, we lynch scum. Guaranteed.
If she suicides as town, we get a 50/50 on scum.

If she refuses and is town, we lose a lynch opportunity and scum are in a better spot. This is foolish.

That's simple basic math. Something that you're failing to grasp.

I defended you when Nero was FoSing you for disagreeing. Here seems a bridge too far.

If Taylor refuses to Suicide (alignment unknown)

This is the part you fail to grasp.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re not asking why the masons only had one die last night.(yes yes not masons blah blah) what changed?

Why should i ask about that?

[Titus]

And what makes you say they won’t?

Scum reducing the PoE by shooting Taylor makes no sense. That means scum have to be in shelly/TPG and they do our job for us. Chemist/TPG/Taylor/shellyc are not getting killed.

The Alliance is dying because we were finally a threat to scum.

[MathBlade]

You can’t see a way for anyone to disagree with your “logic”.

Hey gamethrow or you’re scum.

It’s the classic have you stopped murdering your wife?

If you say no because you never were you’re scum and assumed to still be murdering your wife.

If you say yes because you never were you’re scum for having done it in the past when you haven’t.

This dilemma you’ve put on Taylor is the same dilemma.

She says Yes she scum sides when she’s dead and gave scum an extra kill.

She says No she’s scum because she disagrees with you

There is no way she can respond.

[Titus]

Our plan= "2 town directed deaths to lower PoE. 1 scum kills"
Your plan= "1 town directed death to lower PoE. 1 scum kill"

Or it's just an guaranteed scum elimination as Titus explained.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tayl0r has apparently signed up to about 10 games according to themselves, i don't see why they'd be so stubborn to refuse the plan when it's anti-town to do so.
If they are so concerned with survivalism shouldn't that concern you Math? Which players wants to survive until endgame at all costs? Mafia.

[Titus]

She says Yes she scum sides when she’s dead and gave scum an extra kill.

She says No she’s scum because she disagrees with you

Dying here as town isn't scumsiding. It's like being shot by a vig, just during the day.

[MathBlade]

You’re not asking why the masons only had one die last night.(yes yes not masons blah blah) what changed?

Why should i ask about that?

Because any shift should be poked prodded and explained.

Here Titus’s hood is literally giving free kills to scum. Kills they don’t have to make.

[Titus]

You’re not asking why the masons only had one die last night.(yes yes not masons blah blah) what changed?

Why should i ask about that?

Because any shift should be poked prodded and explained.

Here Titus’s hood is literally giving free kills to scum. Kills they don’t have to make.

If we're so bad, why do scum kill us?

If Taylor is town, mislynching her is an objectively worse position than having her suicide right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here Titus’s hood is literally giving free kills to scum. Kills they don’t have to make.

But that's where you are wrong, they are kills we have to make. Because we're lowing the PoE. If we're wrong about the other players being scum we might have to eliminate Tayl0r eventually anyway. Wouldn't it then be better to have it cleared as soon as possible with less of a punishment on town?
By following this plan we are taking away power from the mafia and forcing 2 out of 3 kills to be town motivated. Highly decreasing scum's chance of survival. How on earth is that scum siding?

[Titus]

**misexecuting

[MathBlade]

Tayl0r has apparently signed up to about 10 games according to themselves, i don't see why they'd be so stubborn to refuse the plan when it's anti-town to do so.
If they are so concerned with survivalism shouldn't that concern you Math? Which players wants to survive until endgame at all costs? Mafia.

Again you’re not putting yourself in town!Taylor’s shoes.

Neither of you are

If on day one you did this to a random Townie, then said “Hey die it’s better for my PoE”

You’re thinking about you.

When you’ve done it to the town doctor or other PR.

This isn’t survivalism at all costs. Your hood is still stuck in “this plan is good” you can’t see its flaws.

This is just “I refuse to be anti wincon”