mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Titus]

Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

Can I execute this?

Please no.

[Titus]

I know I am behind on the claim analysis A50 but I am trying here.

[Titus]

Good news is, I got the apartment.

Bad news... it's unfurnished.

So less anxiety but less time.

[Titus]

Good news is, I got the apartment.

Bad news... it's unfurnished.

So less anxiety but less time.

/me hugs

I have a rule not to talk RL in game but hugs.

I understand. I only do it so people understand my distractions.

[Titus]

Wait how did you get April scum?

She flipped town.

A50 are you okay?

The post was sarcastic.

[Titus]

I put my thoughts in the hood A50.

[Titus]

prob b/c she doesn't want

you

scum to know

Like I get that but I mean why would she not want her reads out here?

I wasn’t asking the surface why I was asking the deeper why.

Clearly it’s something she wants hood only.

I didn't want A50 to feel like he had to justify his choice to me or anyone else.

[Titus]

eh if you elim me it shrinks down the poe which is good. I'm moving DS up into my solve. It's DS/TGP/S_S/DDL/Pete.

This solve is majorly PoE, works fine together as well
TGP has been scummy all round. imo, scum!them don't have their heart in it and it's rather obvious.
S_S is refusing to scumhunt basically. mechtalk all you want but mech itself doesn't just Solve The Game
DDL is a scumbucket 100% and scum lurking is their strategy
Pete is not doing anything protown at all, their posts are fluff
DS is there because of poe

at least 3 scum are in my solve imo. I will flip VT but I am ready to die.

So is this your solve or is this your poe? You keep listing 5 people, but I have it on Nero's authority that there are 5 scum.

There's 4 alive now.

[Titus]

joão gilberto is danish & married the brazilian woman astrud gilberto to take her last name

d2 final vote count

April Ludgate (11):

mastina, NorwegianboyEE, shellyc, superbowl9, Titus, MathBlade, TheGoldenParadox, Tayl0r Swift, April Ludgate, Nero Cain, Almost50

shellyc (1):

Morning Mage

Something_Smart (1):

DiamondSentinel

Bell (1):

PlusJOYED

DrDolittle (1):

Bell

Chemist1422 (1):

DrDolittle

not voting (4):

jjh927, Something_Smart, Pickaxe Pete, Chemist1422

with 20 alive, it takes 11 to Execute someones Ass.

Not VCA. I don't do VCA. But 5 vanity wagons and 4 not voting. Only 1 of the 7 council was off wagon. Plus conftown. Titus said something about April's wagon being full town. If that was the case, there would have been a counter wagon. There wasn't a counter. There's scum on the April yeet.

Who would be doing the counterwagoning? Scum wouldn't. Town just wanted an EoD.

There may be no scum on her wagon at all.

[Titus]

In fact, my theory has none.

[Titus]

Thank you A50. If I am wrong, yippie. If I am right, we've set up to get scum tomorrow.

[Titus]

she thinks ddl is town ause everyone said he was sum inluding the sum team

Actually my theory is scum wanted anyone but Pete.

[Titus]

I'd have to find my cross referenced chart again as evidence. I am not doing that until after work. If the thread gets locked and DDL flips town, you'll have it waiting for you tomorrow.

[Titus]

Oh. Good. I was concerned A50 was

actually

throwing.

Titus, you willing to neighborize one of Math or I tonight? It's kinda a pain walking around in the dark.

Just as I told Math, you aren't confirmed town. I'm disinclined to neighborize you for that reason. We are keeping things in mind for when we have to go outside the Alliance and conftown. This is not a feeling your play can correct but you will always carry a risk of being scum.

[Titus]

Do we have any more conf!town today?

No. So right now my inclination is to target superbowl9 or MM.

[Titus]

However if you think that DDL is the scummiest in the group and want to leave him so the 3p's can get their wincon off of him, then you should feel only a mild inclination to shoot in the group.

?

A50 already executed DDL

[Titus]

I want to give the "other" 3P group a good chance to win too, so THAT is why I am considering leaving ddl alive to be D4's elimination.

uhhh what? what wincons are these exactly?

We move closer to our wincon if we are on every scum elimination. A50s execute is not elimination.

[Titus]

I don’t think JJ is likely scum. Maybe they could be ascetic SK or something. But unless we get a bunch of double kills i wouldn’t worry about it.

SK is impossible.

[Titus]

We know Pickaxe Pete will be the execution.

I still need to rework my notes as my solve wasn't perfect due to the last notifications present.

We know that scum shot DS and DS shot jjh. This is helpful as we know the second kills are coming from town universally, rather than just taking our word for it.

The second vig should shoot within the new pool of three, even if I disagree with the shot.

[Titus]

The second vig

The what now?

I'm inferring we have an even night vig.

[Titus]

some kudos to DS - he didn't hit scum, but he did targets who would've been distracting during the day, good vigging I think.

Yes. DS may have not had the best reads, but his shots were still useful, which is why scum likely killed him.

[Titus]

We know Pickaxe Pete will be the execution.

I still need to rework my notes as my solve wasn't perfect due to the last notifications present.

We know that scum shot DS and DS shot jjh. This is helpful as we know the second kills are coming from town universally, rather than just taking our word for it.

The second vig should shoot within the new pool of three, even if I disagree with the shot.

Let’s pretend your setup spec is correct. Key word pretend

Because we won’t entertain Vig hunting or correcting this assumption if wrong/right/tipsy turbo

Who would you shoot?

Let me get back to you on this late tonight/tomorrow. I'm waiting for court and then I have to go pick up my new apartment keys. I need to run the data knowing what we know now.

[Titus]

some kudos to DS - he didn't hit scum, but he did targets who would've been distracting during the day, good vigging I think.

Yes. DS may have not had the best reads, but his shots were still useful, which is why scum likely killed him.

i guess, although why didnt scum shoot in the mason-pool?

Because of questions like this.
Posts like Maths "pretend".
Paranoia from DS.
The masons disagree on who scum is now.
Shooting the vigilante.

[Titus]

some kudos to DS - he didn't hit scum, but he did targets who would've been distracting during the day, good vigging I think.

Yes. DS may have not had the best reads, but his shots were still useful, which is why scum likely killed him.

i guess, although why didnt scum shoot in the mason-pool?

My guess is wifom or they wanted to get rid of the vigilante.
Anyway we're doing PP today so we'll see where they'll shoot tommorow.

had DS claimed sorry? i skipped the last part of yesterday...

He might not have had to. Scum have roles too.

[Titus]

I'm inferring we have an even night vig.

Based on the vig shot that didn't happen N2?

Yup based solely on DS's flip.

@Math, Yes. It's a win win really. Either scum shoot us and town live or scum shoot town, shortening their pool.

[Titus]

I mean of those 3, it's clearly TGP first.

I'm in favor of Tayl0r but I could just be jilted from last game. I need to run the data.

[Titus]

Why does DS's flip imply an even-night vig

Town needs more killing roles in a large.

[Titus]

Math, I still want to see your VCA supposing the Alliance is all town.

[Titus]

VOTE: PP

[Titus]

Actually, the best thing for town to do is wait unless we have a particular thing to say.

We ensure mastina and nero cain get on PP too that way.

I need to redo my data but I'm not sure when with this move and social commitments taking up a good chunk of my time. Maybe tonight?

[Titus]

Mail-in ballots. Did you get yours?

I sent mine in ages ago. I was real worried Biden would lose in California so I had to vote.

Cmon voting serial killer (third party is all the rage).

<--- voted for Biden

[Titus]

So I take it everyone has decided fuck hunting and I am the only one trying?

Today is a short, already decided day. We just need Nero and mastina to place their votes.

Then everyone can say what they want.

Then we go to bed.

[Titus]

who are the interns? is that one of the hoods?

Interns = A50, superbowl9, MM
Society = mastina, nero cain, me
Alliance = Interns + Society + NorwegianboyEE

[Titus]

Too bad drunk Titus can't come out.

[Titus]

Don't worry. We still have room for Nero.

[Titus]

VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

My prior vote did intend that but if we're being quibbling.

[Titus]

Our wincon is setup.

[Titus]

I did

[Titus]

VOTE: Taylor Swift

Hopefully not too late.

[Titus]

Chemist, what have your results been?

[Titus]

Might as well just say it at this point.
Any of our recruited members have the ability to suicide without ending the day by bolding it in the hood PT. We recruited Tayl0r explicitly for this purpose as we were planning on using this ability to lower the PoE faster without letting scum nightkill conf!town. But Taylor is refusing to comply.

yeah this is exactly what i thought, and was inferring above. Nero doesn't actually necessarily think Taylor is scum, he just picked someone at random to add to the hood and then put pressure on.

I picked Taylor. No one else would make the call. So I picked based on VCA, not play.

[Titus]

Good cop going to bed now.

[Titus]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

[Titus]

....
They're accelerating the game that from my perspective can only really be a good thing.
She can also control who she blows up on, so they're giving her the option to pick whoever she wants.
If she's scum she should just explode on one of the town or whatever.
If she's town, she's got pretty good shot of just hitting scum.

Taylor is not a suicide bomber. Only she dies. She just has input on who dies if we're wrong.

[Titus]

They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

That’s literally scum siding.

Scum for all intents and purposes cannot win if we lynch kill lynch kill.

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.

Huh?

If Taylor refuses to suicide, we lynch scum. Guaranteed.
If she suicides as town, we get a 50/50 on scum.

If she refuses and is town, we lose a lynch opportunity and scum are in a better spot. This is foolish.

That's simple basic math. Something that you're failing to grasp.

I defended you when Nero was FoSing you for disagreeing. Here seems a bridge too far.

[Titus]

And what makes you say they won’t?

Scum reducing the PoE by shooting Taylor makes no sense. That means scum have to be in shelly/TPG and they do our job for us. Chemist/TPG/Taylor/shellyc are not getting killed.

The Alliance is dying because we were finally a threat to scum.

[Titus]

Our plan= "2 town directed deaths to lower PoE. 1 scum kills"
Your plan= "1 town directed death to lower PoE. 1 scum kill"

Or it's just an guaranteed scum elimination as Titus explained.

[Titus]

She says Yes she scum sides when she’s dead and gave scum an extra kill.

She says No she’s scum because she disagrees with you

Dying here as town isn't scumsiding. It's like being shot by a vig, just during the day.

[Titus]

You’re not asking why the masons only had one die last night.(yes yes not masons blah blah) what changed?

Why should i ask about that?

Because any shift should be poked prodded and explained.

Here Titus’s hood is literally giving free kills to scum. Kills they don’t have to make.

If we're so bad, why do scum kill us?

If Taylor is town, mislynching her is an objectively worse position than having her suicide right?

[Titus]

**misexecuting

[Titus]

I would suicide here in Taylor's shoes. I'd put a last will with VCA and do just that.

[Titus]

@Math, The what if we're wrong perspective is literally baked into the plan. If we're wrong on Taylor, she suicides, giving us new direction.

This is either a guaranteed scum elimination or a 50/50 scum elimination. That's the math.

[Titus]

@Math, The what if we're wrong perspective is literally baked into the plan. If we're wrong on Taylor, she suicides, giving us new direction.

This is either a guaranteed scum elimination or a 50/50 scum elimination. That's the math.

Giving “US” new direction.
You did the same damn thing with April.
We eliminated them to give you a “new direction”

You’re so busy thinking mechanically you’re not playing the game.

I will say it again we are not your little chess pieces to move around.

This level of arrogance will cause you to lose.

US is the collective town. Any slot using a hidden ability to harm scum is a good thing.

I picked Taylor because she was the most talkative and likely to understand basic logic. That's likely why she peaced out as Nero said.

Thinking mechanically is playing the game.

No one says to a cop guilty, stop thinking mechanically.

Taylor was scummy in my VCA. She had scummy interactions with Gamma. She was my pick for scum in the 3.

[Titus]

It'd be an loyal vig shot actually, not disloyal.

Loyal to you, disloyal to Titus

And scum!Taylor never rejects imho she just forgets to submit it you silly peoples.

Her literal response, was I'll do it later.

[Titus]

No they referred to specifically "after we've had an elimination first" day.

This.

Later was after we executed.

Taylor just wants a mislynch before dying.

[Titus]

*misexecute

[Titus]

No they referred to specifically "after we've had an elimination first" day.

So then they are still resisting no?

Which is Townie as scum wouldn’t resist.

I fail to see your point here.

I said as scum she wouldn’t resist and just lie.

She here seems to still be resisting.

Passive resistance ("forgetting while posting which is nigh on impossible") or active resistance ("no or execute elsewhere first") are both resistance. Scum can take both.

Votes remain until she suicides. The sooner she suicides, the more time we have to execute elsewhere.

[Titus]

If scum was “caught” and truly “caught” they Suicide to resist giving anything else up.

Look at Pete’s play when outed.

He was trolly AF.

Scum can still resist as we can't force Taylor to suicide.

That's why it's suicide or execute.

Scum can fight an execute.

[Titus]

Taylor hasn't given us any usuable intel on the other two btw.

[Titus]

No they referred to specifically "after we've had an elimination first" day.

So then they are still resisting no?

Which is Townie as scum wouldn’t resist.

I fail to see your point here.

I said as scum she wouldn’t resist and just lie.

She here seems to still be resisting.

Passive resistance ("forgetting while posting which is nigh on impossible") or active resistance ("no or execute elsewhere first") are both resistance. Scum can take both.

Votes remain until she suicides. The sooner she suicides, the more time we have to execute elsewhere.

And so can town.

Your head is so far up a certain hole that you won’t even listen to your town reads telling you you’re wrong. AGAIN.

Town can gamethrow. We are following the evidence, mechanical and gameplay, that she is scum. If town gamethrow by not getting an extra lynch, then we can't force good play.

We can trap scum though.

[Titus]

Taylor hasn't given us any usuable intel on the other two btw.

Did you ever stop and think that maybe she can’t because she is not scum?

Hmmm?

That townies may play “suboptimally” or not get your stupid plan.

I sure as hell dont. Bell doesn’t

And one of us HAS to be town at minimum. Imho both

Math, if you're town, Taylor's town, then Bell is very likely scum.

[Titus]

It's either you Taylor Chemist
Or bell Taylor Chemist

That's my solve today

[Titus]

The new category of three screams don't lynch Taylor, look at the overlap. Chemist, another suspected slot in my VCA replaced Taylor.

To me, my VCA has this radically simple.

Where's your VCA?

[Titus]

Why can't Taylor be scum?
Why can't Chemist be scum?

Or are you just objecting to Math/yourself being the third?

[Titus]

The new category of three screams don't lynch Taylor, look at the overlap. Chemist, another suspected slot in my VCA replaced Taylor.

To me, my VCA has this radically simple.

Where's your VCA?

My VCA requires town driven wagons as I have said.

I don’t have one.

The new category of three doesn’t scream anything until a flip happens and that’s if you’re assuming scum made it which we have no proof of.

Come on. You and I know you are absolutely capable of making a VCA with assumptions that we're townsiding.

[Titus]

Why can't Taylor be scum?
Why can't Chemist be scum?

Or are you just objecting to Math/yourself being the third?

The latter.

Join us on Taylor then? Nero and I are both on.

Ok, let's suppose that it's not you or Math despite you defending the possibility of Taylor gamethrowing. Who would be the last scum? SS? Why?

[Titus]

Mathblade's refusal to do VCA here, when it's patently clear we are townsiding is a big reason I scumread them.

For all their talk of I am wrong, Math won't step up and show where. Town!Math would.

[Titus]

Instead, Math falls back to the tired refrain of the Alliance are egomaniacs who refuse to work with town despite Dr. D's wildly desired execute.

[Titus]

Why can't Taylor be scum?
Why can't Chemist be scum?

Or are you just objecting to Math/yourself being the third?

The latter.

Join us on Taylor then? Nero and I are both on.

Ok, let's suppose that it's not you or Math despite you defending the possibility of Taylor gamethrowing. Who would be the last scum? SS? Why?

I’m failing to see how Taylor is game throwing by declining to kill herself.

Because PoE. Ya. Or Shelly, or POD.
It really doesn’t matter which way we go here as long as it’s not me and my one town read.
Even if both math and I are a scum team I think we still lose even if we’re saved till last.

At least you recognized that we’re not scum partners.

Whoever we picked, if town, it would be gamethrowing not to suicide if I was wrong. The only one who can is the one in the hood.

Bell, you and Math are unlikely scum partners for two reasons. First, you don't fit mathematically. Second, even if I was wrong on Taylor (the only way you do fit together), it's unlikely you support Math in the way you have if you're partners. It's more likely T v S with one if you egging the other on with the town don't suicide thing.

[Titus]

The easiest one for me to get is she’s scum siding 3P.

Oh look, you’re pulling the exact same crap Taylor was in the hood now.
With this scum siding 3P balooney.

I think the only question RE:MathBlade is agency captured or scum himself?

[Titus]

Math is probably just scum.
I still didn’t get a reply of wher Shelly "scum slipped" earlier.

Math has been this stubborn as town before, so I leave it as an open question.

However, once we flip Taylor scum and we hood Chemist, town!Math should sing a different tune.

[Titus]

...
NGL, I’m troubled by their thinking.
I could see where Martina was coming from but if scum wanted to kill themselves they’d have just conceded already.
I’m not some bastion of logic, people are pretty able to see their own flaws in their plans, so I don’t really get how they all missed it.

Then again, bay of pigs.

They’re all so far buying Titus’s BS that they’re gone.

It was mastina's idea to use the hood for the suicide play. It was me who made the call as to the target.

[Titus]

Well, time to get ready to move. I'll be seeing you guys around.

VLA today.

Pics may come later.

[Titus]

y'all can recruit me tonight and i will suicide - if i do not, it will be tatamount to a scumclaim.

Noted: But I want to try and target scum with it unless Nero and I suddenly can't agree...

[Titus]

Tayl0r Math might just be both scum and they're making a song and a dance about it because they're getting boxed in faster than they planned.

Possible. If I hadn't seen this from town!Math before on at least two occasions, I would be at game lock Math Chemist Taylor.

[Titus]

if shelly is scum she's just giving up and we can eliminate her tomorrow

why not today? if you get taylor to self-destruct as town, surely we can elim Shelly today?

I would be ok with this.

[Titus]

y'all can recruit me tonight and i will suicide - if i do not, it will be tatamount to a scumclaim.

Noted: But I want to try and target scum with it unless Nero and I suddenly can't agree...

you really dont think either Shelly or TGP can be scum??

No, we're both firmly in Chemist scum camp though.

[Titus]

if shelly is scum she's just giving up and we can eliminate her tomorrow

why not today? if you get taylor to self-destruct as town, surely we can elim Shelly today?

I would be ok with this.

works for me too! i haven't caught up yet though - last i checked, your Taylor wagon had already fallen apart

A VC should prove that is not the case.

[Titus]

y'all can recruit me tonight and i will suicide - if i do not, it will be tatamount to a scumclaim.

Noted: But I want to try and target scum with it unless Nero and I suddenly can't agree...

you really dont think either Shelly or TGP can be scum??

No, we're both firmly in Chemist scum camp though.

I don't really have a strong view of Chemist, which given the amount of other scummy players makes her likely town by process of elimination, in my opinion. i wonder if you're thinking partly because of the way the Mod reveals have gone, it tends towards Taylor and Chemist as a pair? i could sympathise with that logic.

Partially that. Partly mastina dying and her case on Chemist claim. Partially VCA

[Titus]

Titus cannot continue her Suicide plan if she wants to win. She would be betting the house on her reads.

Everyday, I bet the house on my reads now. Having evidence isn't bad. If all 3 of us aren't on scum, we likely lose. The suicide either nets us a point or gives evidence the read was right. Win Win fmpov.

[Titus]

Something_Smart was Destructed in the night! he was a

vanilla townie.

humans are not animals

Day 6 Starts!

vote count 6.0

not voting (11):

shellyc, Chemist1422, Bell, Nero Cain, MathBlade, Morning Mage, Almost50, superbowl9, Titus, NorwegianboyEE, TheGoldenParadox

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to Execute someones Ass. day 6 starts now and ends november 15th at 14:45 central US time; in (expired on 2020-11-15 14:45:00)

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He DIED.
End of story.

is flipping mathblade an option today? is there anyone outside of chemist-bell you would consider?

If Chemist self executes, I would like the time to discuss between TGP and shelly.

[Titus]

He DIED.
End of story.

is flipping mathblade an option today? is there anyone outside of chemist-bell you would consider?

Sure. Mathblade could be buttered up, toasted, breaded, and served on a plate for all i care.
But we should probably check the status of our hood recruit first.

Given we need 100% accuracy to win most likely, I would like to execute within the pool of three.

[Titus]

@MM, Chemist1422 TGP Shelly contains at least one scum. It, in theory, could contain both scum.

Once we get the last pool of three scum, Math should be forced to fullclaim honestly, even if he takes a bullet. We have plenty to spare.

[Titus]

They didn't post last day phase either did they?

One post saying they couldn't keep up.

[Titus]

@MM, Chemist1422 TGP Shelly contains at least one scum. It, in theory, could contain both scum.

Once we get the last pool of three scum, Math should be forced to fullclaim honestly, even if he takes a bullet. We have plenty to spare.

That is against my interests. I will stop the spacing since it’s annoying people.

The problem is your third party claim runs directly counter to our information. You have no scum wincon. You can't. It's simply not allowed.

[Titus]

@MM, Chemist1422 TGP Shelly contains at least one scum. It, in theory, could contain both scum.

Once we get the last pool of three scum, Math should be forced to fullclaim honestly, even if he takes a bullet. We have plenty to spare.

That is against my interests. I will stop the spacing since it’s annoying people.

The problem is your third party claim runs directly counter to our information. You have no scum wincon. You can't. It's simply not allowed.

i know you're family, but it's definitely possible he's scum here...

Agreed. That's my point to him. His claim runs counter to what we know.

[Titus]

I think we should terminate Chemist one way or the other, and if they are town we do Mathblade.

if misty is town, shouldn't you neighborize/force to suicide one of shelly and me and eliminate the other?

If Misty is town, we get our point for eliminating in the hood. We can't score it again.

Then, if we eliminate correctly, there's no point to hooding the other.

If we're incorrect, then sad days, we have to think about what to do.

[Titus]

Math, you were hard defending scum!Tayl0r yesterday. What did neutral!you have to gain in that situation from being so occupied with what happens to them? And ojecting to an perfectly valid and +town plan?

I will die if I answer this openly.
It wasn’t that Taylor was being pushed.
It’s how.

I really really am struggling with not dying here.
I’ve practically underlined the answer.

Go back to IRC days if you have to.

Ugh. Math, at first I thought you were implying Godfather but that's impossible too.

At this point, it's best to lay your cards on the table. Scum has our wincon so we only win by townsiding anyway. Scum aren't killing us.

[Titus]

....Now that I know math is a third party I can't even talk about what the fuck happened with S_S.
That wasn't a scum kill obviously.
Does no one know what destructed typically means? Is that common terminology for some other role?

If Math is 3p, they have to be only protown. Our role pm doesn't allow for true neutrals aside from ourselves.

[Titus]

Math, you were hard defending scum!Tayl0r yesterday. What did neutral!you have to gain in that situation from being so occupied with what happens to them? And ojecting to an perfectly valid and +town plan?

I will die if I answer this openly.
It wasn’t that Taylor was being pushed.
It’s how.

I really really am struggling with not dying here.
I’ve practically underlined the answer.

Go back to IRC days if you have to.

Ugh. Math, at first I thought you were implying Godfather but that's impossible too.

At this point, it's best to lay your cards on the table. Scum has our wincon so we only win by townsiding anyway. Scum aren't killing us.

That was my point.

Based on what I have at the start

I have been trying to tell you this is likely King’s Commander.

Go back at look at Mastina being shot knowing that.

Keep in mind ALL the mason’s claimed guard

Huh? Must be my moving brain, but I don't understand.

[Titus]

....Now that I know math is a third party I can't even talk about what the fuck happened with S_S.
That wasn't a scum kill obviously.
Does no one know what destructed typically means? Is that common terminology for some other role?

If Math is 3p, they have to be only protown. Our role pm doesn't allow for true neutrals aside from ourselves.

Would you please stop saying this already ffs?

If you’re truth telling you’re only killing me when I am trying to fucking help you without getting shor

Math, you getting shot would literally save the game for us given the clamour around executing you and that we can't be wrong for our wincon.

I'm sympathetic on a personal level. In game, I must be savage.

[Titus]

Kong’s commander

It’s a mafia variant where scum only have to reach equality with true town.

There’s a hidden number of “Kings” that scum have to get rid of to win.

I think with this set up it’s the town.

This sounds like more bullshit.

Actually, I buy that, but it's not a reason why Math must live in particular.

[Titus]

Kong’s commander

It’s a mafia variant where scum only have to reach equality with true town.

There’s a hidden number of “Kings” that scum have to get rid of to win.

I think with this set up it’s the town.

so you think scum are on cusp of winning because they only need to match non-3p?

Yes. That's what he's saying.

[Titus]

like i can believe you believe that, but i dont understand what your point is then? and how it links to your own wincon?

Actually, I buy Mathblade's claim. Math is a town aligned 3p. I'll explain tonight or after chemist implodes.

[Titus]

like i can believe you believe that, but i dont understand what your point is then? and how it links to your own wincon?

Actually, I buy Mathblade's claim. Math is a town aligned 3p. I'll explain tonight or after chemist implodes.

he just said over and over again he wasn't town aligned. i dont get that at all.

I'd rather not explain it with the possibility of scum hearing. Yeah, he's a stinking liar but he's town aligned 3p.

[Titus]

Saying his wincon is against his wincon! (lol)

Theme of the game in a quote.

[Titus]

like i can believe you believe that, but i dont understand what your point is then? and how it links to your own wincon?

Actually, I buy Mathblade's claim. Math is a town aligned 3p. I'll explain tonight or after chemist implodes.

tonight? how you gonna tell me tonight?

I suppose A50 or superbowl would relay that.

[Titus]

like i can believe you believe that, but i dont understand what your point is then? and how it links to your own wincon?

Actually, I buy Mathblade's claim. Math is a town aligned 3p. I'll explain tonight or after chemist implodes.

tonight? how you gonna tell me tonight?

I suppose A50 or superbowl would relay that.

eh fat chance, just tell me now

Nope.

[Titus]

Nero, check the hood.

[Titus]

So no executing someone because they won’t Suicide is really really stupid.

like look @ this little scumbut try to defend taylor.

neutral my ass. If you were nuetral you wouldn't fucking care!


so here's what's going down my guys. Chemmist is gonna either suicide or get roped but if chemist does suicide then we rope Math.

I'm not voting Math today.

[Titus]

I actually know what Math is doing here. We're executing within the pool of three.

[Titus]

....Now that I know math is a third party I can't even talk about what the fuck happened with S_S.
That wasn't a scum kill obviously.
Does no one know what destructed typically means? Is that common terminology for some other role?

If Math is 3p, they have to be only protown. Our role pm doesn't allow for true neutrals aside from ourselves.

Would you please stop saying this already ffs?

If you’re truth telling you’re only killing me when I am trying to fucking help you without getting shor

If you are 3P you have nothing to worry about. Scum are NEVER going to shoot you over TOWN. There's no point in going after you for them.

That's the point but he thinks he is dying over his claim, so he's making up a scum wincon.

[Titus]

I actually know what Math is doing here.

Manipulating you?

No. I can't explain with Chemist in the hood.

[Titus]

What's your wincon, Math?

Notice how he is avoiding that question.

Yes he is. I have deduced his wincon.

[Titus]

Give me till Chemist is dead. I'll explain what Math is getting at.

[Titus]

Math has been fighting scum eliminations every step of the way and scum-siding at any and all opportunity. But no, he's a neutral guys. You gotta believe it.

But Math has been a townbeard this game. It may be too late to redeem him. If Chemist flips scum, we hood him. He'll still be expected to suicide, knowing his suicide is better than his execution.

[Titus]

Actually, I buy that, but it's not a reason why Math must live in particular.

I don't. Not for a minute. Unless WE (an explicitly 3P aligned with the Town faction) count as "true town", in which case the game is still on lock because there has to be at least one more townie (most likely 2) in Bell/TGP/sheely/chemist) PLUS the 3 of us. There' simply not enough time for Scum to be killing enough of us to reach "equality"

I'll explain this when Chemist is dead.

[Titus]

I'm sad. I've never seen you this accurate so I was pleasantly surprised. Although, game was more or less solved by like d3 but I think Math is playing you like Nero plays the lute.

There is the possibility of that, which makes it vital I am not wrong on Chemist, so we can afford a Mathblade suicide.

[Titus]

Because if Mathblade suicides, we execute Bell and win.

[Titus]

I actually know what Math is doing here. We're executing within the pool of three.

I fully trust you. so will follow without second guessing

Thank you. Hopefully, we don't need a second lynch in there for my wincon.

[Titus]

I have very strong doubts. But as Chemist should be the focus right now i'll back off on it until they're dealt with.

Thank you.

[Titus]

i guess. I just think Math is the last scum and Titus won't go there so....

I'm doing okay and yes that kill makes no fucking sense.

It does if Math's theory is true. I forgot that NORWEGIAN is also GREEN.

I could be a cyan coloured church of the spaghetti monster worshipper for all you know.

But you count for parity sooo

[Titus]

I could be a cyan coloured church of the spaghetti monster worshipper for all you know.

Not if MATH's THEORY is TRUE. The game would be OVER if you were anything but.

do you not think by Day 6, Math-scum is smart enough to have come up with such a theory? also you're relying not only on Math's theory being correct and his claim being true - they are 2 different questions and may have 2 different answers. it's perfectly possible Math is right about the setup whilst also being plain old scum.

Which is why after Chemist flips scum, we hood Math, which ekes out enough for a Bell lynch.

[Titus]

But if Math doesn't suicide and we have to misexecute him, we lose.

[Titus]

run the benefits of hooding math by me again? he wont self-destruct, so then what do we do?

I have to persuade him to or we've lost.

[Titus]

Because if Math refuses to suicide, we execute him.

[Titus]

But if Math doesn't suicide and we have to misexecute him, we lose.

exactly. but maybe better to hood Bell then, as at least he claimed town. so he should self-destruct and give us the chance to flip Math for the win.

I'd be ok with that but my hoodmates would stage open rebellion, despite the accuracy of my reads.

[Titus]

Well, we got sometime to reflect on that morning. I see your point, but scum!Bell is going to continue the antisuicide path too.

[Titus]

Alright, I am not getting into a credibility match night now Nero. I have boxes to move.

[Titus]

I'll think about hooding Bell. This is a situation the four of us need to discuss after Chemist is gone.

[Titus]

*Five

[Titus]

you guys want to hear a tinfoil theory though?

scum is chemist and Bell and Math

is

a traitor doc wich would also make a ton of sense with a town vig

Nero, that would be 6 scum.

Essentially, this game boils down to whether or not we believe Math.

[Titus]

With that back to work

[Titus]

I presume everyone is onboard with Chemist then with either Bell or Math?

I do give Math some points. He's stuck to his guns about his theory before it was his neck on the deciding block.

What it really boils down to is it Bell or Math as the last partner? Neither has pushed scum. Neither has really scumhunted. Math I see evidence of trying to work with us, albeit reluctantly (after the note). The only thing Bell has done of note is try to wagon SS day one.

[Titus]

Math hasn't been as wrong as Nero stated. Math did prefer Pickaxe Pete out of the three when asked while most everyone else wanted DDL.

Math did hard defend Taylor, but it wasn't the play Math was defending at all but the premise instead.

Math wasn't around for the Gamma execution. Bell was and did jackshit despite being active.

[Titus]

Please kill the third party before you kill town bell.
Ty

What have you done that's townie?

[Titus]

Please kill the third party before you kill town bell.
Ty

What have you done that's townie?

Not gotten in the way.

Where have you scumhunted?

[Titus]

I think once I am done moving, Drunk!Titus will look at this game.

[Titus]

Math, are you sticking to the 3p with a scum wincon?

[Titus]

And if there's a doc protection, that gives town higher odds.

[Titus]

I am not sure I believe or not. I want to really focus on it. I plan on bring done with moving tmo.

[Titus]

this game is going to be fun when we eliminate both Bell and chemist and Titus is still bending over backwards to defend her brother.

When you say things like this, it's really demotivating Nero.

[Titus]

I am off to bed.

Nero, Math I suggest you do the same.

[Titus]

That reminds me how yucky I felt about Bell's answer.

[Titus]

What answer?

That he "doesn't disagree" with a DDL flip.

[Titus]

Looks like everyone thinks it's DDL.

I do not disagree. Though would like to note that Schadd said at least 1. So there could be two or more in that list.
I don't know how much I should be trusting the self-proclaimed 3rd party town block. This game could be easy or we could be on the cusp of being mowed down.

Here

[Titus]

Oh yeah, that does look pretty bad.
Especially the: "looks like everyone thinks it's DDL" part.

Then there's the natural pushback against the 3p.

[Titus]

How I feel about Math and Bell scumhunting wise

1) Both have been incredibly wrong but for Math on April and Pete. Math was the most vocal on April. Bell hasn't really been vocal about anything. By vocal I mean pushing for not volume.

2) Both refuse to scumhunt in their traditional ways, even when they should feel the game is on the line.

3)I favor keeping Math around because he has a meta like this.

[Titus]

chemist today>>>>shelly sacrifices herself in the hood or gets eliminated>>>math>>>>bell

town win!

Bell Math

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure of it. I'm following MM here.

[Titus]

VOTE: Chemist

[Titus]

chemist today>>>>shelly sacrifices herself in the hood or gets eliminated>>>math>>>>bell

town win!

Sounds good to me.

@Titus no, to protecting a third party player who threw me under the bus the second his butt was on the line.

Hurt your scum ass will lose to a bunch of 3p? That's what this comes off as.

[Titus]

I'm following MM here.

no you aren't b/c MM thinks Math is scum.

MM said hood Bell because a) he's scum that won't sacrifice.

[Titus]

Chemist isn't going to ever show up again are they?

She's not. That's why I voted her.

[Titus]

Well MM is wrong.

So you will sacrifice?

[Titus]

sometimes I dunno what u ppl r doing. a50 is scum reading Shelly. But Shelly has already said she'd sacrifice and if we add her and she refuses to sacrifice then she's just scum and if she's town and sacrifices herself then a50 can just move on.

lets you know, actually add ppl that will sacrifice.

Sure, let's add obvtown. We'll be deciding between Math and Bell anyway.

[Titus]

@EE, Do math for me. If town executes tmo, how many town are left by D7 if Math is honest. Then if he's lying.

To me, if my math is correct, it's fully advantageous to the society to add someone certain to execute to determine which of Bell/Math is scum.

[Titus]

Back to moving for me.

[Titus]

So my position, even if I think Math is 3p, is to force a suicide. Then the game will be over and we get our points.

If Math is 3p, then town loses. So it's a scenario where I tried but wincon first.

[Titus]

in the very unlikely scenario that Math is 3p and thus Bell is scum that leaves 3 town.

One dies tonight if Math guesses wrong.

That leaves 2 tomorrow.

If one suicides, that equals parity.

So if Math is honest, town loses.

If Math isn't 3p, then town probably executes him over my objection.

[Titus]

Given our wincon, it's actually good for us to add the suicider to the group.

Of course, I feel Math is a stinking liar about being 3p anyway you slice it.

[Titus]

So maybe I would execute Math in the event of a suicide. I dunno.

[Titus]

I kinda hope a suicide just decides the game. Then I get to be right and win.

[Titus]

im not sure if town will die tonight b/c if we are right that shelly/tpg is a town it seems like the scum need to keep them alive so they can have mislynch bait. ditto bell and even if they shoot @ norway to remove his vest he still doesn't die.

Nero. I think it's obvious by now we don't have a misexecute left.

[Titus]

If scum shoots the vest, we revoke the suicide request to Shelly and execute Math because we'd have the misexecute to spare.

[Titus]

I think that math holds.

[Titus]

Of course, that's totally townsiding and gives us a good chance of losing.

So I think the play is Math has to save in shelly/TGP. Bell has to shoot in there. If Math is correct, we execute Bell as we'd have the misexecute for Math after.

[Titus]

So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.

[Titus]

inb4 math shoots @ norway and claims that its proof he's a doc

Then he loses anyway even if we execute Bell first. The only thing that happens is we get screwed if wrong.

[Titus]

It's practically 9 1/2 vs. 2 scum. We have the numbers to just bulldoze our way through all of chemist/math/bell

Nero, we don't count for parity. It's in our role pm.

[Titus]

So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.

This is objectively the best plan and satisifies everyone mostly.

[Titus]

i know

It's like 6 alive, 2 scum right now. The neutrals are just extra votes. We don't count for when endgame happens.

[Titus]

Are you sure that's objectively the best plan.
It involves executing town Bell.

Town bell still wins in scenario 1 because scum Math gets executed right after.

[Titus]

The only thing that happens in scenario 1 is that if wrong on Math/Bell, society loses.

[Titus]

personally, I rather add Bell and have him blow up but he's being incredibly hard-headed.

Probably bc he's scum but I think my plan works unless we neighborize the dead guy.

[Titus]

Iunno, I'm not being very hard headed from my POV. I'm genuinely saying I'm town here. I don't think it's in either of our interests for me to actually xplode instead of just taking myself off the chopping block by convincing you that this is the case.

Are you ok with being executed in the event of a no kill which would prove Math scum?

[Titus]

but you could argue the same for Math that he refuses to suicide b/c he's scum.

That's why I came up with the plan in the first place.

[Titus]

EE, what do you think of my plan?

[Titus]

but also...Math is not town so eliminating Math literally has no downside.

Math being an idiot is not a reason to eliminate them of a no kill happens tonight. A no kill proves Bell is scum as ot eliminates Mathblade's path to victory.

[Titus]

like if we eliminate Bell and he's town then we get screwed but if we eliminate Math we don't get penalized if he flips 3p and if he's just scum we just win with the town.

We do get penalized for that.

[Titus]

So let me type this out.

Hood neighborizes Shelly or TGP, if they don't die, move to step 2.

Execute Bell, then Math as Math proved he's a doctor or GG for him anyway if he no kills.

If we neighborize shelly or TGP and the other dies, we encourage a suicide, which verifies Math's 3p claim.

If we neighborize and the target dies, then we argue math v bell.

[Titus]

we only get penalized for town elims and Math isn't town...

My PoV, Math is town and lying or 3p and telling the truth. I'm holding both views simultaneously as my plan gets us to victory either way.

[Titus]

EE, what do you think of my plan?

I don't agree.
Why would we hood one of Shelly/TGP when eliminating in Bell/Math has more likely chance of hitting scum?

Neither of them will suicide and a suicide verifies Mathblade's 3p claim.

[Titus]

if Math were a town doc claiming 3p is like the stupidest thing ever.

We are dealing with Math

[Titus]

If they don't suicide we just eliminate them. Easy as that.

Then that just triggers me and Nero fighting over who gets the last call and a bunch of lost sleep for me making that choice. A suicide proving Math is somewhat better. We're still fucked in a lying town Math scenario but it's the one I feel is least likely.

[Titus]

oh so you want shelly or TPG to suicide to "confirm" maths claim.


i think you are just getting played like my lute

Nope. If a suicide doesn't end the game, then we argue Bell v Math but with Math proven as a liar. At that point, I would favor executing him.

[Titus]

If a suicide ends the game, then I am confirmed right about Bell. Town loses but society wins.

[Titus]

oh so you want shelly or TPG to suicide to "confirm" maths claim.


i think you are just getting played like my lute

Nope. If a suicide doesn't end the game, then we argue Bell v Math but with Math proven as a liar. At that point, I would favor executing him.

I don't think town!math lying exists. If Math isn't scum, he us likely 3p.

[Titus]

You're playing wifom with them. That's just not a working strategy.
The less assumptions you make the less likely you are to make a mistake.

You don't want to chance a 50/50. If Math heals right, town wins.

[Titus]

Question.
What does scum!MathBlade get out of claiming 3P?

Us abandoning the suicide = gg. The same thing scum bell gains by refusing to suicide.

[Titus]

Math's play so far is just sowing divide, that's all he's done. That's all he can do. He's scum.

Then my plan proves it as long as we don't neighborize the dead guy.

[Titus]

You're playing wifom with them. That's just not a working strategy.
The less assumptions you make the less likely you are to make a mistake.

You don't want to chance a 50/50. If Math heals right, town wins.

No, I really don't! There are better odds than that if you just suddenly decide I'm town and I think we win just right then and there?

We isn't town in that case. If Math heals right, scum you has no path to victory.

[Titus]

Then you should have no problem being the execute if Math heals correctly.

[Titus]

Actually, you know what, something just clicked. Mathblade's doc claim is likely fake.

[Titus]

Yes DS died but that was strongman shot

Hence why I cried in 2010 the day after DS died.

I thought Titus was running a gambit and asking me to heal DS

Flavor is Solearn Solemnity (spelling matter be off I am on mobile)

If scum get a strongman, why not use it on Norway?

[Titus]

Like my gut still says it's Bell but there's too many things about the claim that don't add up.

[Titus]

Nero, how many times do I have to tell you...if we don't get a no kill, we don't have the extra bodies. We don't count for parity.

[Titus]

Nero, how many times do I have to tell you...if we don't get a no kill, we don't have the extra bodies. We don't count for parity.

Yes DS died but that was strongman shot

Hence why I cried in 2010 the day after DS died.

I thought Titus was running a gambit and asking me to heal DS

Flavor is Solearn Solemnity (spelling matter be off I am on mobile)

If scum get a strongman, why not use it on Norway?

I don’t know?
Maybe they roleblocked me and shot DS?
But then why am I not dead?
I don’t know.

Prevailing theory is they knew DS was the Vig and saw our gambit?

There was no gambit. I had zero clue of your claim.

[Titus]

hey norway, you know what would be spicy? if chemist were just town and scum was actually Bell/Math

A suicide should prove that right up.

UNVOTE: Chemist1422

[Titus]

hey norway, you know what would be spicy? if chemist were just town and scum was actually Bell/Math

Well that doesn't work though. Because if Chemist is town that means one of Shelly/TGP are scum.

Oh right

[Titus]

Nero, how many times do I have to tell you...if we don't get a no kill, we don't have the extra bodies. We don't count for parity.

Yes DS died but that was strongman shot

Hence why I cried in 2010 the day after DS died.

I thought Titus was running a gambit and asking me to heal DS

Flavor is Solearn Solemnity (spelling matter be off I am on mobile)

If scum get a strongman, why not use it on Norway?

I don’t know?
Maybe they roleblocked me and shot DS?
But then why am I not dead?
I don’t know.

Prevailing theory is they knew DS was the Vig and saw our gambit?

There was no gambit. I had zero clue of your claim.

Oh I thought your play like it’s 2010 and mentioning that year repeatedly was to heal DS since DS has the 2010th post. Maybe scum thought the same?

No.

[Titus]

hey norway, you know what would be spicy? if chemist were just town and scum was actually Bell/Math

A suicide should prove that right up.

UNVOTE: Chemist1422

?

Chemist, claim results then suicide if you're town.

[Titus]

Chemist is confscum. Stick to the plan.

[Titus]

VOTE: Chemist

[Titus]

Chemist haven't denied suiciding tho, they just left.

She'll keep leaving. She isn't going to give results or suicide. She hasn't given results all game.

[Titus]

Peace out moving

[Titus]

Math, I know you have a limited window to play IRL (work then game night with me) but you really need to explain your claim without lies or hiding anything. You need to go through and explain why you acted the way you did from that mindset. Still, there's good odds of you getting lynched. If the hood had its way, you would be turbolynched. Since there is a possibility of this being mylo, I am willing to hear you out. I still believe, with the flaws in your claim, there's a huge chance of you being scum.

[Titus]

This is likely lylo.

Fear mongering to make us not eliminate him^

That's not fear mongering if it's true. That doesn't suddenly create a new suspect or defend Math at all. He still has to put up his defense.

[Titus]

Shelly suicides. That leaves Norway and Bell for parity bc two town one scum.

That leaves the two people who refuse to suicide against each other.

[Titus]

even if Bell is scum Norway take 2 night phases to die so a50 just becomes a king maker

Nero, for the 50th time. It's in our large role PM. We don't count for determining mylo or lylo.