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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:52 pm

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Hm. Thats false.

I'll change to 'nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a final digit of any triangular number'.

You'll notice that there are no triangular numbers that start with 2,4,7 or 9.
eq.t nonprimes which the first digit from left is 1.3.5.6 or 8
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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:23 am

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Can we institute a new rule where I have to understand what’s going on?
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:51 am

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I'd object to that, because it would imply that I'd have to understand what's going on too, and my understanding of the meta-rule isn't as firm as I'd like.

Like, take your bingo. Numbers containing a 1. I can turn that into a meta-rule: "Numbers containing a specific single digit." But I'm not sure where exactly the dividing line is between "cases where there's a meta-rule" and "cases where there isn't."

I also have no idea how to prove that a given bingo falls foul (or doesn't) of the meta-rule clause; all I know how to do is experimental "proof" (generate hands of numbers and see how many are a match - which proves nothing; if you flip a coin three times and it comes up heads three times, that doesn't prove the coin's rigged). And I can't do that very fast with my current understanding of spreadsheets, so trying to do it 64 times is a major headache.
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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:11 am

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In post 1450, Sirius9121 wrote:Hm. Thats false.

I'll change to 'nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a final digit of any triangular number'.

You'll notice that there are no triangular numbers that start with 2,4,7 or 9.
eq.t nonprimes which the first digit from left is 1.3.5.6 or 8
I think this might still be too overengineered: is "nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a, b, c, d, or e" going to generate a bingo with more than 1/64 of hands?
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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:15 am

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In post 1452, Farren wrote:I'd object to that, because it would imply that I'd have to understand what's going on too, and my understanding of the meta-rule isn't as firm as I'd like.

Like, take your bingo. Numbers containing a 1. I can turn that into a meta-rule: "Numbers containing a specific single digit." But I'm not sure where exactly the dividing line is between "cases where there's a meta-rule" and "cases where there isn't."

I also have no idea how to prove that a given bingo falls foul (or doesn't) of the meta-rule clause; all I know how to do is experimental "proof" (generate hands of numbers and see how many are a match - which proves nothing; if you flip a coin three times and it comes up heads three times, that doesn't prove the coin's rigged). And I can't do that very fast with my current understanding of spreadsheets, so trying to do it 64 times is a major headache.
The simpler the bingo is, the more likely it fits the rules. For example "all the cards are even" or "is divisible by 3 with 1 left over" are acceptable bingos, and the meta rule in this case is "Are any of my cards divisible by 2? Divisible by 2 with 1 left over? Divisible by 3? Divisible by 3 with 1 left over? Divisible by 3 with 2 left over? Divisible by 5? ..."

If your method of generating bingos is "glance at my hand and notice something really obvious, like all of the numbers are prime" then that's always going to be allowed as long as less than half of the numbers below 100 have this property. (nonprime by itself is way more than 50 so that wouldn't work).

If you're playing without a spreadsheet, then you will never run afoul of the meta rule.


but if you're curious, the way you work out it without trying all the options is through a branch of mathematics called Combinatorics. It's pretty fun, especially early on when the problems are less hairy, but it's also pretty easy to make mistakes and real life combinatorics problems can get pretty ugly
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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:23 am

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This site is aimed at teenagers and has questionable color scheme choices but it has some worked examples for learning the fun parts of Combinatorics https://www.coolmath.com/algebra/20-combinatorics
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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:35 pm

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In post 1453, Plotinus wrote:I think this might still be too overengineered: is "nonprimes which the first digit from the left is a, b, c, d, or e" going to generate a bingo with more than 1/64 of hands?
I improved my spreadsheet game. Generated a fresh 64 hands. Checked them against both meta-rules.

13/64 met the "no duplicates / no primes" category.
7/64 met the "no duplicates / no primes with 3 or more digits missing" category.
6/64 met the "no duplicates / no primes where the leftmost digits are A/B/C/D/E" category, with a few A/B/C/Ds and a few A/B/C/D/E/Fs.

Then did it again.

8/64: no duplicates/no primes.
4/64: no duplicates/no primes/3+ missing digits.
4/64: no duplicates/no primes/A-B-C-D-E starting digits.

I'd say that second one is probably a no as well.
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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:03 pm

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But is it that easy to find a common thing of 5 numbers without it also being applicable to the other four?
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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:19 pm

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Is this game still going on?
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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:27 pm

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Plotinus hasn't posted anything anywhere on-site since November 7th.

If and when he comes back ... probably?

Only alternative I can see to waiting or abandoning would be trying to find a back-up mod with the mathematical savvy to be able to run the game, and I'm not sure if that's something we can do without Plotinus?
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:35 pm

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Technically I have the math abilities...

If yall can’t find a game mod I can help mod the game and get someone to sub for my slot...?
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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:53 pm

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Or someone suggest a suitable gamemod
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:11 pm

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I’ll assume this game is abandoned?
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:55 pm

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At this point I'd assume yes. Only half of the players responded the last time it was bumped.

Hope Plotinus is okay. :(
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:00 pm

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Was fun playing with y'all.
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:44 am

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If ploti comes back we can pick it back up
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:47 am

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Good idea :)
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:57 pm

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He’s fine but I haven’t asked him about the game.
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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 8:04 am

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Bump

@Plotinus, can we possibly resume this game?
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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 7:07 pm

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If it's just a matter of telling people what their cards are and reminding them that it's their turn, I can do it, but I don't have the energy for making a lot of decisions about edge cases or whether a sequence is too over engineered or not. If someone wants to volunteer to co-mod and make most of the hard decisions, then that could work.

I'm sorry for disappearing in the middle of this before and it'd be nice to see it through if we can
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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Sat May 01, 2021 7:36 pm

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First question: are all of us still interested in continuing?

I am. Obviously Nancy is. What about everyone else?

If everyone is, then we can tackle the second question: how to handle edge cases / bingo evaluation.
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Sun May 02, 2021 1:44 am

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I would continue, and I would also offer to comod and withdraw just because most of the over-engineering comes from me and I think me withdrawing and comodding would technically lessen Plotinus' troubles?

(p.s. I really don't mind, if this continues, me being either a player or comod is okay.
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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Sun May 02, 2021 3:12 am

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I'm still interested in continuing :)
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Sun May 02, 2021 4:27 am

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Yeah I’d still like to play

If no co-mod can be found, I think we can just make ruling collaboratively, they usually involved player input anyway
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Mon May 03, 2021 5:27 am

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I'll message rockhopper to see if they're still interested, it looks like everyone else has chimed in. Sirius can co-mod.
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