Open 797: Bus Service [Game Over]

[MiniVirgo]

I still want to yeet NM out of policy, but Farrar is likely just scum. No idea why I didn't see that earlier, probably kpop bias lmfao

- JV. Also that wall was mine as well

[MiniVirgo]

I'll wait for Johnny, but I wouldn't mind just yeeting NM

[MiniVirgo]

Hey, policy limming is whack. You knew you were getting a NM game. Has he done anything that shows he's scummy that he doesn't do as town? What does a NM scum game look like?

Why is it whack when they literally acting against towns goals, leaving them alive in lylo is suicide regardless of their alignment because they’ll just speed hammer the first wagon

[MiniVirgo]

Hey, policy limming is whack. You knew you were getting a NM game. Has he done anything that shows he's scummy that he doesn't do as town? What does a NM scum game look like?

Why is it whack when they literally acting against towns goals, leaving them alive in lylo is suicide regardless of their alignment because they’ll just speed hammer the first wagon

From JV

[MiniVirgo]

as for johnnyfarrar they are a player in this game that much I can say for certain. do you have a more direct question perhaps? prod me into a good direction

yeah. ok challenge 1 sort these names from town -> scum

Professor Mafia
A50
MiniVirgo
MWNN
JohnnyFarrar

probably somewhere like

MWNN
A50=johnny?
Prof
mini

or I'm just mad at mini for shit like:

Spicy take. Not_Mafia and Elbirn are scum together and they formulated that plan to get mad at them to distance.
Also A50 is v big wrinkler brain for putting them at L-1 while at the same time inviting N_M to hammer.
- JV

mini was town reading me yesterday but now they're floating bait like this? nah

Spicy take =/= I actually think that’s the case. The way I play is that I look through all possibilities even if it’s extremely unlikely that way I can’t be pocketed as easily.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Bingle is almost lock town to me, I’ll explain when I get on my laptop after work. If I can be added to

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

MWNN

do tell?

I hate this, actually produce content or I will yeet you to oblivion

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Oh I missed that wall loool

[MiniVirgo]

Oh I missed that wall loool

From JV

[MiniVirgo]

like literally just play and I will hold both heads accountable for everything because you're supposed to be the same person EZ clap

Stop being an absolute ass, I clarify for courtesy of those that know my meta and played with me before and I’m not aiming to have a bunch of posts nor does post count ever matter so pull your head in. I’m not going to accept this bull from you anymore so either vote me or don’t shade me with that again

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Johnny your entire post there is just fencesitting

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

mini was town reading me yesterday but now they're floating bait like this? nah

I'm +1 to PL of N_M. better to PL now than PL in lylo.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

just sheep me till im wrong, Johnny is a scumslot, professor mafia is a scumslot, elbirn I'm not 100% on but probably third scum

You say you think it's good to PL NM but then like don't

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Day 2

- 3v8.

Day 3

- 3v6

Day 5

- 3v4, lylo

If we don't lynch scum, we have literally today or tomorrow to yeet N_M.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Froppy's fine fam

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Shelly's dropping in my reads and if N_M dies and flips wolf I think that shelly may follow due to their defending of them in an indirect way via telling people to sheep them on Johnny until they're wrong etc. Though I don't really know much about how to read N_M so they're still mainly just a PL and the shelly read in association is useless until N_M flips and I'm still a bit fencesitty on Johnny as I'm not entirely sure if scum would defend shelly like they did back then like I called out but I wouldn't be too suprised either.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

My general plan is to PL N_M, and if they flip red, shelly's on the block and if they flip green Johnny's on the block.

Just what is on my mind right now.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

My general plan is to PL N_M, and if they flip red, shelly's on the block and if they flip green Johnny's on the block.

Just what is on my mind right now.

- JV

eh it's fine I guess except there's not much value for scum!me to preserve scum!NM if you think of it that way

re: froppy i want you to consider my world instead of like. deflecting towards something else yet not stating what that something else is

Losing a buddy is like losing 33% of a mafia team. There is a lot of value to preserve them.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

JV why are you TRing the froppy slot

I remember them acting like this as town in my game I hosted, I think it was the Hard Boiled game I hosted that they were in and they're just replaced in more or less.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Gotta have dinner, be back after

[MiniVirgo]

I looked over their iso in the game and there's a difference but that was ages ago so maybe their meta changed, either way I don't think Froppy is scum.

Gut tells me that

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

9 hour shift won’t be able to post until after that

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Or we could PL NM and then go from there, doing it tomorrow leaves not enough wiggleroom

[MiniVirgo]

Or we could PL NM and then go from there, doing it tomorrow leaves not enough wiggleroom

From JV. They’re negative utility to keep alive anywhere near lylo where they can speed hammer when we need to discuss.

[MiniVirgo]

At work though have another like 2.5 hours left

[MiniVirgo]

Or we could PL NM and then go from there, doing it tomorrow leaves not enough wiggleroom

From JV. They’re negative utility to keep alive anywhere near lylo where they can speed hammer when we need to discuss.

JV i actually kinda think NM is town here
The play here is quite bold with the no hypoclaim and the hammmer

That's NAI for them, got anything else you're TRing them for? And even so, it's called a policy elimation because they're acting against Town's efforts. Otherwise it's just a normal elimination.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Scum can't effort.

What's this regarding?

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

@shelly, what was your current solve by the way? I think I've got our solve (our as in mini and myself) but I'd rather keep it close to my chest for the moment.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I was waiting to see if you had what I saw or not without my input.

I was thinking it's either that or it's N_M, shelly and Elbirn.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Actually do we just yeet Elbirn here? They're in both of my possible solves

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I've been trying to get them to post but they're the type of person to like not post their actual thoughts ever unless she really needs to, also I think me posting as much as I do kinda makes it seem like her posting isn't needed when it would really be good to. Though we have been discussing and she has been reading the game, I've just been the main voice of the hydra.

VOTE: Elbirn

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Oh my bad wrong account

[MiniVirgo]

Swizzle Pop (hydra of Noraa and Tayl0r Swift) replaces Elbirn. Welcome!

NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not_Mafoa

Didn't even realise that Elbirn replaced out, back to PL as Noraa can give us a new outlook on their slot.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Noraa can give us a new outlook on their slot.

noraa is deadly good at scum and swizzle is pretty good as well so eh

Though she has scum-tells, saying you want to push for their elimination still even if you could just easily switch to PM or Johnny and have the replacement still change the situation. Not sure how I feel about how you deathtunnel the current wagon without thinking of why sometimes that's a bad idea.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Is swizz taylor or noraa or both.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

Please use your hydra to quote this so we can see it on your ISO and no it isn't but this is a dumb post

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

wow that didnt take long. quoting this into iso. obviously ^ was noraa

-senpa

Nevermind you did so. Please blatantly make it obvious who is posting, because swizzle and senpa means nothing to me.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

VOTE: Johnny

I'd rather find out which one it is rather than killing a policy

can you pls compromise on elbirn
we can get johnny tmr as they're in my solve as well but elbirn is like. more consensus scum than johnny 100%

Yeah, shelly I don't like how you tunnel like this but I'm unsure if it's AI or not.
- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I'm obvtown

I'm not a big fan of self-reading

- JV

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

wow that didnt take long. quoting this into iso. obviously ^ was noraa

-senpa

Nevermind you did so. Please blatantly make it obvious who is posting, because swizzle and senpa means nothing to me.

- JV

sorry. i figured everyone would know that taylor swift is sometimes referred to as T. Swizzle. noraabear is signing all her posts in a normal/boring manner.

-taytay

I don't listen to mainstream western music fam so anything to do with nicknames of those people go over my haed

pedit: Noraa and I go wayyyyyyyy back

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

TAYYYYYYYYYYYLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

so shelly being obvtown isnt consensus then?

altslip x 1

it was noraa's fault

(-this is obviously noraa confessing)

don't frame me >:(

Noraa can give us a new outlook on their slot.

noraa is deadly good at scum and swizzle is pretty good as well so eh

Though she has scum-tells, saying you want to push for their elimination still even if you could just easily switch to PM or Johnny and have the replacement still change the situation. Not sure how I feel about how you deathtunnel the current wagon without thinking of why sometimes that's a bad idea.

- JV

death tunneling .... idk. I think its a shelly town tell as she's always overly confident for no apparent reason when she's town. idk I want to talk to Taylor about it cuz I either am 100% sure of Shellys alignment thru my expert soul reads(nah I've just played with her a lot) OR I can't tell at all. normally its the "I can't tell category" that leans one way a bit but flip flops a lot.

-Noraabear

Yeah except if she's so dead set on her solve, it wouldn't matter if she yeeted you or any of the other two. The only reason why she started voting your slot was because I compromised on them as you were in both of my solves prior to the replacement.

I now want to PL N_M again because we have more utility in letting you semi-solve yourself and getting rid of the blatant anti-town player which is better off dead regardless of alignment.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Noraa and I go wayyyyyyyy back

go all the way back to my first role pm and my first reply of "I'm confused" and a Jacko on the other end like "huh what's up with this girl?"

-Noraabear

Hahahaha, good times

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I've caught on to something, I'm not going to say what it is today but I'm against a Swizzle/Froppy/shelly lynch. If I die tonight just feel free to ignore this because I am NOT softing what I've seen but if you see it also don't bring it up or even tell anyone that you've seen it.

As a consolidation vote, I am either voting Johnny or N_M today. My preference is the latter but the former doesn't pain me to do either.


We have three lynches before we lose. Two lynches before we hit LyLo. We have to PL them now if we do it at all as otherwise we leave it too close if they are Town. The reason why, for those that just replaced in, is that they're playstyle is completely and utterly anti-town and I have reasons to think that they're scum as well so this flip is double helpful. They lolhammered derp D1 and they will almost 100% do it again and again until they hammer town in LyLo. We can't let them live.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Also anyone who hasn't, hypoclaim thanks

[MiniVirgo]

MV I think I actually see what you see

but if you see it also don't bring it up or even tell anyone that you've seen it.

bruh

[MiniVirgo]

Also nobody's claiming unless they're on L-1 (or L-2 if N_M hasn't voted you) and an intent is declared to hammer (or put to L-1 yada yada)

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

what's hypo claim even mean?

-Noraabear

Where you say which actions you would have taken the previous nights and results.

are we only hypoclaiming our bus or also our cop action?

-the s train

Both

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Mini can't really move right now, she'll post when she can

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Honestly from my skim it looks like some kind of bloc has formed between mV and Shelly and y'all are deciding which lim you're on board for.

@Mini @Shelly is A50 not an option? I feel like A50 should be an option.

They can be, make a case on them

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I won't be unless it grows.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Well looks like JV has this all under control but I personally agree with Shelly on 1160 being scummy

- Mini

[MiniVirgo]

youd rather we vote you than present your reads? i dont understand this at all

-schwifty

Froppy's "just vote me" was a "I can see where you're going with this, just cast the vote".

This feels like it might be playing dumb a bit? Trying to appear as good faith as possible.

Tayl0r is Tayl0r though.

Froppy was acting scummy by saying that, I'll have to have a look at them for tomorrow.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

swizzle pops entrance is rather obviously town

imo, big elephant still scum, I'm on board with the scum!MV bits, they seem to constantly post but they arent really providing a lot of useful content and much of what they're saying is either common sense like policying N_M and also synthesizing shellyc's thoughts on johnny/elbirn.

VOTE: MiniVirgo

Prof's 2 scumreads here are pretty anti-concensus which is town-indicative for most scum.

You missed my earlier question, Prof.

Also, could you explain my shelly's still scum?

Town-indicative for scum? I don't understand

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Nevermind you did so. Please blatantly make it obvious who is posting, because swizzle and senpa means nothing to me.

- JV

Swizzle:

a mixed alcoholic drink, especially a frothy one of rum or gin and bitters.

Senpai:

(Japanese) mentor or teacher. Informally, it could also be used -in English- as a reference to anyone whose attention you want to get—that could be someone you admire and want to be friends with or someone you're interested in romantically.

JV:

(short for) joint venture; a business arrangement in which two or more parties agree to pool their resources for the purpose of accomplishing a specific task. This task can be a new project or any other business activity.

-This educational JV was brought to you by Senpai Monkey in collaboration with the Swizzle.

Lock town

- Joint Venture

[MiniVirgo]

I don't think scum!johnny wouldn't be voting N_M in their scenario.

- Joint Venture

[MiniVirgo]

Intent on Johnny.

Assuming Not_Mafia will lolhammer this.

PL on N_M will not move the game forward, Shelly isn't taking off.

Explain why scum would not vote N_M or even anyone that isn't a zero wagon.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I’m out rn but what are they at?

- Joint Venture

[MiniVirgo]

Now is the chance to yeet NM, we’re not limming that without a cc. Cc’ing here is no problem as we have have backups.

Scum would claim Cop.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

re: swizzle not based on ongoing games, but something interesting I've noticed.

pedit: I don't believe a word of that bs and want to hammer now but we're prob not ready to end the day

why would it be redacted if its something you can talk about?

also im inclined to believe the claim: why would scum claim bus driver? claiming cop potentially draws a CC. claiming backup is safe. claiming bus driver doesnt help even with a CC since the bus driver just gets replaced, but still runs the risk of getting CCd.
- toylar sweft

This is town

I’m on mobile, I’ll post when I get home I hate mobile posting with a passion
- Joint Venture

[MiniVirgo]

Alright so here’s the deal. I was thinking that if a Cop claims, and they’re not the real Cop. Don’t counterclaim them, as that would just bout the Cop. Instead, just lynch them or not depending on how scummy they are. The Cop is dead anyway no matter if they claim on L-1 or counterclaiming.

Thoughts?

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

That’s to stop any future scum claiming, also PM is almost 100% town here

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Alright so here’s the deal. I was thinking that if a Cop claims, and they’re not the real Cop. Don’t counterclaim them, as that would just bout the Cop. Instead, just lynch them or not depending on how scummy they are. The Cop is dead anyway no matter if they claim on L-1 or counterclaiming.

Thoughts?

- JV

mm i think thats wrong. cant we just busdrive the cop so scum wont know who to shoot? im still a bit confused on the exact mechanics if both busdrivers target the same person so maybe scum can get a kill off because of activation order?
-even the really bad ideas are all gone now

Mafia bus drive happens first, so they can almost 100% reliably yeet their intended kill target and someone else to make their kill reliable and thus kill the Cop whenever they are to claim.

For example, if yessiree was Cop and counterclaimed ProfMafia if they claimed cop. Mafia bus driver yeets one of their members with yessiree, attacks their member. Town bus driver literally has to yeet the Mafia with someone else to direct the kill away. If the Mafia choose their secondary target well enough they can reliably never have their kill interupted and thus counterclaiming the Cop is useless and actually worse off than either letting them live or just plain ignoring any possible Cop claim and lynch as if we're in a mountanous game.

The current Town Bus Driver is essentially just a functional IC with the chance to redirect a kill. That's literally just about what that role does and fake-claiming it is useless considering all the backups.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Prof claiming Bus Driver here instead of Cop means they're Town. There's no doubt about that, and now we can yeet N_M for trying to get them killed anyway.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I actually hate how fencesitty shelly is on N_M even after agreeing that they need to be PL'd many times.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I actually hate how fencesitty shelly is on N_M even after agreeing that they need to be PL'd many times.

- JV

Actually no, I hate how they always say they see a scum-team but dead ass focus on one of them and have to be literally bombarded by seven whole trucks in order for her to budge onto another.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I actually hate how fencesitty shelly is on N_M even after agreeing that they need to be PL'd many times.

- JV

Actually no, I hate how they always say they see a scum-team but dead ass focus on one of them and have to be literally bombarded by seven whole trucks in order for her to budge onto another.

- JV

And by another I mean literally another person they've got in their solve which makes it so much worse

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Prof is mafia because he's mafia, claims are irrelevant

[MiniVirgo]

Jackson and I are both in hospital so we will get on when we can

-Mini

Ah crap wrong account

Just so it’s in ISO

[MiniVirgo]

Now we can yeet N_M

[MiniVirgo]

Now we can yeet N_M

Oh god I have to do this again

- JVa

[MiniVirgo]

Minivirgo, I demand a 3000-word genuflecting apology

Not happening

[MiniVirgo]

I just got discharged from the hospital fam

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I drove Johnny and Bingle last night. Is that indicative of Johnny not being scum or did they drive off of Bingle?

Yeah alright interesting

Also Cop inno on Froppy

[MiniVirgo]

I just got discharged from the hospital fam

- JV

You did?? Those were the fastest 48 hrs I've ever seen.

Oh god I couldn’t imagine staying any longer

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Did you just claim cop?

[MiniVirgo]

[MiniVirgo]

no daystart pm bad mod

I'm literally townspewed, scum!Professor Mafia bussing scum!shelly and vice versa is some real double-decker, and totally impossible.
--
ftr, the solve is still swizzle/johnny. johnny has been having a weird trajectory with profmaf in where there is some distancing but when it matters johnny never put pressure on profmaf (before the cc) and instead chose to vote me mid-of-d1

Swizzle has been very shadey with most of their pushes and often elect to discredit my TRs (like froppy) and there's a weird general lack of TRs there. Swizzle also completely didn't mention profmaf slot before the cc war. in 1337 Noraa wants to go MWNN instead of johnny which makes sense with their meta considering they hate being lonely and play lone scum. The final profmaf vote didn't really make sense with their earlier trajectory of "yeet MWNN" either.

Swizzle/johnny is also a good fit with them seldom mentioning each other. When swizzle repped in, they kept enquiring about the johnny wagon, and tried to discredit my pushes there, which makes sense with taylor disliking bussing.

Hypoclaim cop inno on A50

VOTE: Johnny

You saying you're townspewed doesn't mean you are and no that's not impossible tf but I do agree Johnny looks bad
VOTE: Johnny

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Wait

UNVOTE:
Not yet I'll check something before I vote

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Day 3 Elimination

JohnnyFarrar,

Mafia Goon

, has been eliminated Day 3!

Night 3 begins! All Night 3 actions are due in (expired on 2020-11-07 11:30:00). If all living players agree to do a fast night, I will do a fast night.

Day 4 Begins

Not Mafia,

Town Backup Bus Driver

, has been killed Night 3!

Didn't mean to hammer there lmfao, but also what the hell is that kill

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

N1 Big Elephant (inno)
N2 Froppy (inno)
N3 Swizzle (inno)

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Here's the question, does the actual cop claim? We of course don't know the driving from the mafia but we generally will have a decent idea of what I did.

But at the same time.

VOTE: Swizzle Pop

Willing to unvote if someone has a spicy take on cop claiming

I already have a good idea who the Cop is. And I believe this is mafia because of shellys logic. The cop is essentially useless when claimed so the only reason to do so is if they have a red-check.

Literally the only way that kill happens is if Swizzle is mafia or Mafia made a stupid play to get one elimination in.

VOTE: Swizzle

[MiniVirgo]

Night three was MWNN - SwizzlePop

VOTE: Swizzle

I'm fairly sure scum BD bussed swizzle with N_M, the "elimbait". THIS IS GAME OVER.

This logic btw

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

We have three eliminations.

Scum is in Swizzle, A50 and Froppy. This is easy.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

anyways if N_M lolhammers this and I die tonight; remember the answer to this game is prob just

Johnny/Prof/Elbirn

I think I really fucking solved this game D2

I town lean froppy, because of Johnny interactions
I town lean A50 because of the town block with MWNN

All hail omega shelly lmfao

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

I think Jackson does it without realising

-Mini

Well done mini, well done


- JV

[MiniVirgo]

MV you are really great with hammers

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I have only hammered scum by accident so far so lets see how this goes.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Scum needs 3 to win btw

[MiniVirgo]

Scum needs 3 to win btw

I think its actually auto-win if cop outs

What benefit does it have if Cop outs, them dying?

[MiniVirgo]

Also Cop can counterclaim now, a 1 for 1 is easy

[MiniVirgo]

Clears aren't full clears

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Cop claiming isn't necessary until tomorrow maybe and the following day definitely. Today is a waste, especially if I just hammered here.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

Cop claiming isn't necessary until tomorrow maybe and the following day definitely. Today is a waste, especially if I just hammered here.

We might not have a tomorrow (:

Exactly, also if I am right on who the Cop is I wonder if anyone else saw it too.

- JV

[MiniVirgo]

If that was hammer. This flips town, it's probably a Froppy into MiniVirgo elims that win the game

What do you mean by this