Bad Idea Mafia III: Still Bad, Less Broken [GAME OVER]

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innocent T-bone

So why you want to do hypocop?

I am trying to think who might hate Untrod Tripod enough to want them dead this early

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well Untrod Tripod was the only pre-in so they wanted this game badly. I didn't find out about the game until end of signups. Did Shea advertize it elsewhere besides his signature?

my best guess would be someone that played with Untrod Tripod but he has been here since 2003 so that narrows little down. Perhaps it was a skittle given the signup thread banter

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There are some bad things about hypo cop too and ways scum can take advantage of it. I would say those ways but I ain't gonna give the scum any ideas

Is there anyone in our game with a history of quoting role pm, self hammering in lylo or anything like that?

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There are some bad things about hypo cop too and ways scum can take advantage of it. I would say those ways but I ain't gonna give the scum any ideas

Is there anyone in our game with a history of quoting role pm, self hammering in lylo or anything like that?

I'd much rather just hear your reasons and see if they make you scum

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hypo cop is where if you are not a cop you pick any name and say they are innocent. if you are cop, you say whatever you really got on who. If someone gets a guilty on someone we know who needs to die

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I'd much rather just hear your reasons and see if they make you scum

Did you just respond to yourself..?

I don't think so but this really confused me

I was continuing my topic since I accidentally tapped the submit button for the earlier post since i am on mobile

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hypo cop is where if you are not a cop you pick any name and say they are innocent. if you are cop, you say whatever you really got on who. If someone gets a guilty on someone we know who needs to die

murdercat town

Thats not really a good fake cop choice given the setup in the description

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why are you admitting that peta pan?

hypo cop is where if you are not a cop you pick any name and say they are innocent. if you are cop, you say whatever you really got on who. If someone gets a guilty on someone we know who needs to die

murdercat town

Thats not really a good fake cop choice given the setup in the description

and fact mc already shot

I need to get on my computer so i stop the fat fingering

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Is there anyone in our game with a history of quoting role pm, self hammering in lylo or anything like that?

i love too throw game's

why are you admitting that peta pan? Do you know who I am?

In the past the gf could day vig and since they are gf they would obv return an innocent. So if mc was gf or day vig they would turn innocent. This is why mc was a bad choice

I doubt goons can shoot. game was broken in favor of town, I think goons shooting could easily brake it for scum. So I don't think Shea would allow this

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I just thought of an interesting idea. Not sure if its a good or bad idea since its never been done to my knowledge. But I think its a good idea off hand so we should discuss it

What if we pre-claim who were are gonna hypocop or inspect?

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is goon. So Jake kills them at night. Bob flips cop and we have good reason to kill Jake next day. Profit!! Probably shoot kill them or force them to use their kill if goons can kill would be obv next day play

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is town. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting.

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is gf. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting unless Bob dies and we look too much at the innocent

Thoughts?

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I just thought of an interesting idea. Not sure if its a good or bad idea since its never been done to my knowledge. But I think its a good idea off hand so we should discuss it

What if we pre-claim who were are gonna hypocop or inspect?

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is goon. So Jake kills them at night. Bob flips cop and we have good reason to kill Jake next day. Profit!! Probably shoot kill them or force them to use their kill if goons can kill would be obv next day play

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is town. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting

unless Bob dies. Then its likly Jake is town or gf and everybody knows that

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is gf. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting unless Bob dies and we look too much at the innocent

Thoughts?

And if Bob is not cop and they die before giving a planned inspection of Jake, we know who should be involved in the next killing by either being the shooter or the target

Thoughts?

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and that should read anti profit on that last one obviously since we would be hurting us if we thought a gf was town

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And if Bob is not cop and they die before giving a planned inspection of Jake, we know who should be involved in the next killing by either being the shooter or the target

also Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is town. Bob dies at night. Jake should either be target or killer next day. Yay there could be framing but still gives us something since we can always learn jake is a day vig that kills whoever is most scummy or second most scummy if jake is most scummy

I basically saying we used plans of scummiest being killed by next scummies to get reads on people combined with this idea. See dynamite mafia for more on scummiest killing next scummiest.

I still think there is value in some of my idea but if no one is down with it then I won't push it

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link to old game i am refering to Dynamite Stick Mafia http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=8119

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My reads are I don't like those that claimed to have checked murdercat because I lean toward goons not having guns and that makes murdercat flipping town inevitable

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or being seen as innocent by a cop as inevitable

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So, you are certain MurderCat is Town? You more or less are saying that with your posts passively while shading the "cop scans."

Certain, no
very likely, yes

point I am making is the setup says we have town day vigs and goons and gf. gf's have had day kill in past and gf's always appear innocent to cops. So unless goons can day kill, Mudercat will appear innocent to any cops. So checking mudercat is a waste

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anyone play with tripod often? I don't think I ever did despite how long we both been on the site

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And in case it wasn't obvious you claiming you saw murdercat as innocent makes you suspect in my mind because you are not acting like a good cop and you need to act that way. Claiming him as innocent kinda gives us all less info since I kinda already explained why it very likely he would been seen as innocent by cops

This why I
VOTE: Toogeloo kills echovision
or
VOTE: echovision kills toogeloo
either one is fine and equal in my mind

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Wouldn't scum be more likely to be aware of that?

Can you elaborate? You calling them scum, me scum, or them town?

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Have not caught up since last post. Work had me come in at 2am on a sunday and i just got off work, so don't have the level of sleep needed to process this game at the moment. Will get sleep and porbably watch football and then catch up here after that

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innocent Micc

MurderCat, you said you didn't want to shoot again. However, there might be benefit in you shooting at the 24 hour mark (or after that at least). Since you can't be the Cop, you firing again keeps them masked for longer.

If there is general consensus this is best I'm fine with it, but I think there is a lot of benefit in picking someone scummy and saying "hey you, daykill this other scummy person or you get shot"

Agree, there is a lot of value here. Possibly more value than could ever come from keeping the pool of potential cops big. I’m phone only this weekend, but I can run some numbers Monday I guess if the day goes that long?

I would like to see what numbers you may have

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Have not caught up since last post. Work had me come in at 2am on a sunday and i just got off work, so don't have the level of sleep needed to process this game at the moment. Will get sleep and porbably watch football and then catch up here after that

You have not caught up PF....but knew enough to post and provide an excuse as soon as D3f expresses suspicion?? What?

Sorry that was Monty who posed suspicion. Don't mind me I have a "confusion" gimmick this week.

My post was not meant to address Monty's suspicion of me. I was active in game on that friday and saturday and was not planning on being active sunday for the reasons I gave. This games posting rules are every 24 hours you should post, so I figured I would let everyone know I was not going to be active for awhile. I am obviously caught up now and will be active now

Also why is PrivateI called Monty?

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I have various hydra accounts with others that they created and had emails for. These people have since left the site and I lost original passwords for. I spoke with some mods a few years ago I believe it was Mr. Flay and he reset the password for me and the other users. You should do something similar if you need to login to your old account and change its email to something you do have access to

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I'm going to shoot brassherald and pokerface today.

And you are shooting brass herald because he killed murder cat or some other reason?

And you wish to shoot me because of my views on voting on person to shoot another person?
(I am willing to back off on this pending Micc's math on if it's better to do that or have the same person always do the shooting. I await Micc's math on this)
OR
you wish to shoot me because of my views on Echo and toogeloo's checks on murdercat?
(Would it be better if I said I suspect the bills fan (Echo) because the jets fan (D3F) is now dead after wanting to shoot the bills fan? )
OR
some other reason?

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In some ways this game is still young, like its got day 1/random voting phase level of content without actually being in those phases. So if someone has other/stronger suspicions of someone for some reason, then that stuff should be talked about

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Zor and TBone are town/GF.

This is just a convenient consolidation of info from PrivateI

Yes this is the only reason zoraster should live given how often zor has not posted. I was gonna go gun ho on zor today since lurking would be good way for scum to live in this. Who is current biggest lurker right now?

@echo,

what do you think of worst's previous hypo cop choices?

Innocent on the penguin, you should see a pattern...

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Zor and TBone are town/GF.

This is just a convenient consolidation of info from PrivateI

Yes this is the only reason zoraster should live given how often zor has not posted. I was gonna go gun ho on zor today since lurking would be good way for scum to live in this. Who is current biggest lurker right now

after zor

?

@echo,

what do you think of worst's previous hypo cop choices?

Innocent on the penguin, you should see a pattern...

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@toog

, I don't think part of that is something you want to point out in game where all, including the scum can see

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Zor and TBone are town/GF.

This is just a convenient consolidation of info from PrivateI

So I should....shoot Zor?

No I don't think gf hunting is not the play at this time

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Zor and TBone are town/GF.

This is just a convenient consolidation of info from PrivateI

So I should....shoot Zor?

No I don't think gf hunting is the play at this time

fixed double negative

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Zor and TBone are town/GF.

This is just a convenient consolidation of info from PrivateI

So I should....shoot Zor?

No, I don't think gf hunting is not the play at this time

fixed double negative

issue was i forgot a comma not double negatives. 2 negatives should be there, my grammar just sucks

I am at work, when I get home tonight gonna figure out if any other those lurkers you list is scummy too. And thats probably most deserving of a bullet today. This is of course after everyone checks in and after we figure out if we have same person always shoot or scumiest and second scumiest involved in the shooting

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Bad town play, too much quick killing. Was I the only one that joined this game and tried to scumhunt?

I just thought of an interesting idea. Not sure if its a good or bad idea since its never been done to my knowledge. But I think its a good idea off hand so we should discuss it

What if we pre-claim who were are gonna hypocop or inspect?

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is goon. So Jake kills them at night. Bob flips cop and we have good reason to kill Jake next day. Profit!! Probably shoot kill them or force them to use their kill if goons can kill would be obv next day play

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is town. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting.

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is gf. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting unless Bob dies and we look too much at the innocent

Thoughts?

Think about it for 2 secs PF, i'm sure you can find the advantages

btw def and PP should hypocop

Inno on herald

Though part of me wishes I could've gotten a read on His Royal Highness The Prince Penguin, Duke of Enderby Land, Earl of Wilkes Land, Baron Gessner, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Feather, Extra Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Fish, Member of the Order of Bray, Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the Gentoo Empire, Knight of the Order of Macaroni, Additional Member of the Order of Little Blue, Royal Chief of the Order of Jackass, Extraordinary Companion of the Order of Humboldt, Extraordinary Commander of the Order of Aquatic Hunters, Lord High Admiral of the Antarctic Kingdom

Ahhhh! Nothing like the scent of a little ultra violence in the morning!

You wake up to find your number has diminished by 1.

D3f3nd3r, day killing townie

, has been shot during the night.

There are 14 of you left.

Day 2 ends in:
(expired on 2020-10-27 17:05:00)

I should have killed the penguin when he outted himself to this gambit instead of trying to find the other scum with my other posts. See the pattern... more on my master plan later

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how did hypocoping out private I?

Pardox did out as cop as i mentioned in the dead QT

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This is kinda why I suggested the pre-hypo cop plan. Speed it up so scum have to act quicker and can't as easily control or hunt cops. Kinda wish people had seen that since it did out penguin. I should have time for me to explain my master plan thursday and hopefully by then my math is done on what optimal town play is in this game.

Optimal scum play is for GF to play to be investigated. One goon gets a shot off at a time that the shot hides them or makes them look town. Other goons actually play mafia by going with the flow and lurking as the game would allow

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I have no idea why you keep saying I was outed by your plan. Can you explain?

As you may recall I suggested a pre-hypocop play by the town

I just thought of an interesting idea. Not sure if its a good or bad idea since its never been done to my knowledge. But I think its a good idea off hand so we should discuss it

What if we pre-claim who were are gonna hypocop or inspect?

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is goon. So Jake kills them at night. Bob flips cop and we have good reason to kill Jake next day. Profit!! Probably shoot kill them or force them to use their kill if goons can kill would be obv next day play

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is town. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting.

Let's say Bob is a real cop. Bob thinks Jake is scum. Jake is gf. Bob checks Jake and gets an innocent. Not really any new profit than we are already getting unless Bob dies and we look too much at the innocent

Thoughts?

And Defender said this

Think about it for 2 secs PF, i'm sure you can find the advantages

btw def and PP should hypocop

Inno on herald

Though part of me wishes I could've gotten a read on His Royal Highness The Prince Penguin, Duke of Enderby Land, Earl of Wilkes Land, Baron Gessner, Royal Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Feather, Extra Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Fish, Member of the Order of Bray, Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the Gentoo Empire, Knight of the Order of Macaroni, Additional Member of the Order of Little Blue, Royal Chief of the Order of Jackass, Extraordinary Companion of the Order of Humboldt, Extraordinary Commander of the Order of Aquatic Hunters, Lord High Admiral of the Antarctic Kingdom

He made it clear that if he was a cop he wanted to check you

Ahhhh! Nothing like the scent of a little ultra violence in the morning!

You wake up to find your number has diminished by 1.

D3f3nd3r, day killing townie

, has been shot during the night.

There are 14 of you left.

Day 2 ends in:
(expired on 2020-10-27 17:05:00)

And you killed him the very next night. So you did exactly what I said scum would do in that situation. Outing yourself as a goon that didn't want a possible cop check to catch you

I noticed this but didn't do something about it imediatly like shoot you because I saw that I was the only player scum hunting also I wanted to know 100% if scum could shoot so I worked out a plan...

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Doesn't matter which scum did the act in a game that lacks trackers. You were scum and defender was dead after posting that. So it adds up regardless which of you pulls the trigger. The motive is still there. And your side has an opportunity and you at least had a say in the defender kill since its a group action

At any rate back to the full plan. I wanted to find all the scum, figure out what they could do and then start shooting. If I shot a scum too soon I figured I would die and no one would be scum hunting. So I did the following

I already explained in the dead thread that paradox made a cop tell. Toog (A player I already said I was scum for reasons I gave day 2) claimed the same hypocoping as paradox. This told me toog was either signaling to his buddies that I was cop or that paradox was cop. I figured a player like yourself would notice paradox's tell and also see toogs signal. And probably see toogs redunant pointing of:

I would like to point out that PrivateI had 3 posts and was Cop,

so the other Cop could also be hiding in the lurkers to avoid aggression as well

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so I took advantage of my current play and made this post.

Zor and TBone are town/GF.

This is just a convenient consolidation of info from PrivateI

Yes this is the only reason zoraster should live given how often zor has not posted. I was gonna go gun ho on zor today since lurking would be good way for scum to live in this. Who is current biggest lurker right now?

@echo,

what do you think of worst's previous hypo cop choices?

Innocent on the penguin, you should see a pattern...

The pattern is all my checks were on skittles current or former. And I said day two, a skittle was probably associated with the kill of Tripod. So I gave an obv fake hypo on an obv goon in you. This would out me as not a cop and keep me alive if you misread toog's signal and killed me instead of paradox. This post also had a further move that didn't go according to plan. Echo killed Worst and worst said they checked defender who just died. Now why would anyone fake hypo cop a dead player? Worst would do it if they were trying to look like a real cop that wanted to give real results. So I asked echo what echo thought of worsts checking. I thought echo could be a god father that shot worst trying to kill a cop

I basically had you, toog, echo, and esuriospiritus in my mind as scum. esuriospiritus because esuriospiritus suggested the hypocoping and toog kinda just took advantage of it to make a signal. And because private I and defender were dead. Scum were clearly cop hunting so esuriospiritus being scum trying to take advantage of hypo coping made sense.

I didn't know that goons could shoot. I thought it might be possible based on toog's signal but also thought echo might kill another possible cop when echo was off cooldown. So i tested the waters at you and echo. But then you shot Paradox during the day, which I didn't think would happen but it was something I was going to act on. If I had gotten the chance to post before petapan's kill of DS I would have shot penguin, and said "yo everyone goons can shoot!". You would have been revealed goon on death and that would have basically encouraged the rest of the town to shoot in the pool of penguin, toog, echo, and esuriospiritus.

I didn't net the GF. Petapan did that so I ok with plan not going perfect. It would have been nice for me to shoot you and quit being subtle. I was subtle in the dead thread about my play too and who I would have shot but meh that was probably unneeded there.

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I am also ok with not thinking goons could shoot for so long. And what I now see as bad grammar as that last post should have read I thought scum would kill paradox, not necessarily penguin. I used the word you and that could be gramatically seen to point at one person and not a group. Should have said you guys or usted

i mean I said it from the start. playing optimally probably meant actually playing mafia.

that's not what most of us signed up for, so here we are

I think I might be the only one that signed up to play this as mafia. Why did I do that you ask? Well I already got my be scum fix and kill scum fix in previous bad idea games.

I was retired so I wanted to shake the rust off and find scum. And since I designed some gambits that found 2 of 4 scum (I will explain these later), I think I shook the rust off pretty well

Also I wanted to see if there is a way to brake Shea's new setup. I am a Software QA guy in real life. Its my real life job to break the system. Its my job to break the program. I have broken many mafia setups. I wanted to see if I could break another. Now that we know the setup, I believe I owe it to Shea to try to break this thing.

Step one, let's pretend that this game was run as an open. Let's pretend everyone knew what mafia could do day 1. And let's assume no one goes kill crazy (Big assumption, but let's assume it). Is Town ideal play to :
A: Have scumiest and second scumiest be involved in the killing with 1 as shooter and other as target each day (neither of those 2 should be someone that already shot)
B. Have scumiest with low/no shot delay kill the scumiest with a higher shot delay each day
C. Have the same person do the kill each day

Think you can run some numbers with me now, Micc? Or am I doing all the work with this since I know the setup now

These are also reasons why I was in no hurry to schoot

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Doesn't matter which scum did the act in a game that lacks trackers. You were scum and defender was dead after posting that. So it adds up regardless which of

you

scum pulls the trigger. The motive is still there. And your side has an opportunity and

you

penguin at least had a say in the defender kill since its a group action

more "you" use failure on my part there too but meh my grammar sucks and always has so why change who you are?

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Also I am still working on maths of ideal town play. Will post that soon in case this ever is good to run as an open in the future

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my plan was also not really needed as scum kinda worked themselves into a poe situation because toog, esuriospiritus, and DS had not shot or been cop checked and petapan was clearly shooting in that particular pool. I think if brass herald had not been modkilled or Micc had shot, town would have won because of petapan's play

so meh I ok with it it. I think i still came out of retirement well enough in a funny shooty shooty game

Also my specialty is not scum hunting its setup breaking. I must do my maths...

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You didn't stop the kill did you, penguin?

Nightkill: D3fender

as always, feel free to change

You allowed it all the same. And allowing it is enough proof that you were fine with it and agreed to it. And why did you agree to it I wonder...

petapan proposed the hypocop, I just took it and ran with it cuz it seemed towny at first glance (and then only later did I realize the scum benefit to it, lol. My iso 3 or whatever came from my townie heart)

And what does scum do in the game of mafia? They go along with town plans to look town. So yay I thought you were scum for that too.

Really wish I could have multishot but then I would have killed echo too, and this game would be broken so probably good thing I couldn't do that

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Many people thought micc was behind the same player should shoot play but toog started that. And yet micc got credit for it

I sure thought you were behind that play. but you pushed it more than peta when I asked about it so definitely felt like you started it or at least went the furtherest with that hypo play

Falling into a good strategy often works better than making one day one. Chance is a lot of things. My name is pokerface.

Should be noted that I am by no means criticizing the scum's play. You are scum and you shot cops. How was that move wrong for scum? It never is. And I kinda encouraged you to do it by outing myself as not cop so you might kill paradox instead of me. I assumed echo would get paradox or you would do the kill at night but meh. I had all the scum mostly figured out so I did not care if I got a cop killed as town at that point.

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Many people thought micc was behind the same player should shoot play but toog started that. And yet micc got credit for it

I sure thought

you were

esuriospiritus was behind that play. but

you

esuriospiritus pushed it more than peta when I asked about it so definitely felt like

you

esuriospiritus started it or at least went the furtherest with that hypo play

Falling into a good strategy often works better than making one day one. Chance is a lot of things. My name is pokerface.

Should be noted that I am by no means criticizing the scum's play. You are scum and you shot cops. How was that move wrong for scum? It never is. And I kinda encouraged you to do it by outing myself as not cop so you might kill paradox instead of me. I assumed echo would get paradox or you would do the kill at night but meh. I had all the scum "mostly" figured out so I did not care if I got a cop killed as town at that point.

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I take risks and love chance and odds and math. cast a wide net and things can fall into place well enough if you are lucky

I don't know if there is a setting for you to be a pronoun choice on this site but maybe it should be

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Real life has been slowing me down a bit. Meant to post what I gave on friday on thursday. At any rate here is some of the scenarios I am doing math on

Step one, let's pretend that this game was run as an open. Let's pretend everyone knew what mafia could do day 1. And let's assume no one goes kill crazy (Big assumption, but let's assume it). Is Town ideal play to :

A:

Have scumiest and second scumiest be involved in the killing with 1 as shooter and other as target each day (neither of those 2 should be someone that already shot)

B.

Have scumiest with low/no shot delay kill the scumiest with a higher shot delay each day

C.

Have the same person do the kill each day

For simplicity let us call the player making the kill the Executioner and the person being killed the Target. Now if the math shows B or C to be ideal town play it should be noted that scum can obv just kill the player(s) with the delay at night. That of course assumes that the executioner is not scum. Should the executioner be scum, refusing to make a kill and getting killed by town should eventually happen. And then there will be a new executioner who is town. After this we could expect things to run in a loop pending when scum kill the town executioner

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Any scum that is pushed to the point they are Execution Target should claim cop. This will force the real cops to check the scum at night. If that scum is goon, the goon should do everything in their power to be online and able to kill the cop when they claim the guilty. Or they can just get shot. Not sure which of those is better at this time. If the GF claims cop then they should look town up until a real cop is killed and or another cop claim occurs.

Ok let's do A and assume worst case scenario.

Day 1

18 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 12 town that can shoot. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other. At night both cops inspect the player that gets night killed or inspect the GF or the other cop

Day 2

16 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 10 town that can shoot. 1 town with a day delay. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other. At night both cops inspect the player that gets night killed or inspect the GF or the other cop

Day 3

14 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 8 town that can shoot. 2 town with a day delay. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other. At night both cops inspect the player that gets night killed or inspect the GF or the other cop

Day 4

12 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 6 town that can shoot. 3 town with a day delay. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other. At night both cops inspect the player that gets night killed or inspect the GF or the other cop

Day 5

10 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 4 town that can shoot. 4 town with a day delay. Scum know who can shoot and who can't and who is what. A goon day kills one of the 4 town that can shoot. Scum kill another town that can shoot at night. Who cops check really don't matter now

Day 6

8 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot but its on delay so we have 2 town that can shoot. 2 town with a day delay. Scum know who can shoot and who can't and who is what. One of 4 scum being available to kill vs 2 town being available to kill. Scum got better odds of getting on line. One of them is online and gets the kill. They get the other town that can shoot at night. This game is sealed for the scum.

Will go over best case for A and see if there is a scenario where town can bring it back when in a bad scenario.

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Honestly I think a cop living and not getting any value out of their inspects is worse than them dying in this game type since cops can't kill and their death prevents the death of someone that can kill on town side

Ok let's do A and assume best case scenario

Day 1

18 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 12 town that can shoot. Let's assume you find Goon and GF scummy. They refuse to kill each other. A town kills the GF. That town is killed at night. Both cops check the other goons at night

Day 2

16 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 10 town that can shoot. 1 town with a day delay. Cops claim their inspections. All the scum have been outed. Game is practically over but will still take a few days to kill them all. Assume the scum don't get online to make a kill and you get game over

Day 4

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There really is no way scum can mount a come back from its worse case scenario. After all they can only kill 1 cop at night, if the one they let live checks goon found scummy day 1, then all goons have been checked and it truly is GG. But is there a time where town can mount a come back against the scum?

Day 1

18 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 12 town that can shoot. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other. At night both cops inspect the player that gets night killed or inspect the GF or the other cop

Day 2

16 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 10 town that can shoot. 1 town with a day delay. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other. At night both cops inspect the player that gets night killed or inspect the GF or the other cop

Day 3

14 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 8 town that can shoot. 2 town with a day delay. Let's assume you find 2 town scummy. One town shoots the other.

At night both cops inspect different goons.

Day 4

12 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 6 town that can shoot. 3 town with a day delay. Cops both claim their checks at the same time so both posts go through before one of those same goons shoots one of those cops and the other cop dies at night.

Day 5

10 players. 4 scum that share a shot on delay. 6 town that can shoot. 3 town with a day delay. One of the 3 without delay kills a goon that was inspected. Scum kills a townie that has no delay at night

Day 6

8 players. 3 scum that share a shot on delay. 5 town that can shoot. 4 town with a day delay. The townie without the delay kills the other goon that was inspected. Scum kills the most active town player with a delay

Day 7

6 players. 2 scum that share a shot on delay. 4 town that can shoot on delay. Pending what other evidence cops have given, the final goon may have been poe...Wait a sec, this is an open where everyone knows how the scum's shot delay works...that means the final GF and goon have not shot yet and have no way to explain why they are on a delay other than, hi I am scum. So a town on delay gets to the thread on time and kills one of them. Scum kills the most active town player with a delay

Day 8

4 players. 1 scum that share a shot on delay. 2 town that can shoot on 1 day delay. 1 town on a 2 day delay. Let's say the scum gets to the thread on time. He kills someone with 1 day delay during the day and gets the other one at night

Day 9

1 player is town and the other is scum and they both have a 2 day delay. Player that gets there on time wins!

Considering that second cop check might not even be needed since the remaining team gets outed by their delay later. Very possible Town does the math on who has and has not shot on delay a day sooner and all scum are outed already. Its also possible that...

Day 4

12 players. 2 cops that can't shoot and 4 scum that share a shot so we have 6 town that can shoot. 3 town with a day delay. 1 cop claims check on a goon and GF shoots that goon. One cop is shot at night. That GF was also announced to be innocent

Day 5

10 players. 3 scum that share a shot on delay. 6 town that can shoot. 3 town with a day delay. 1 cop that can't shoot. One of the 3 without delay kills an inspected goon if there is one. Scum kills the cop at night

Day 6

8 players. 2 scum that share a shot on delay. 6 town that can shoot. 4 town with a day delay. The 2 townies without a delay are in a 50/50. You got 3 players that have not shot. One of them has a delay and is scum but no one knows who that is. Each townie without delay knows themself to be town so its between 2 people who is last goon. 50/50. Let's say they make the right choice. Goon dead. The final townie without a delay is killed at night

Day 7

6 Players. All on a 1 day delay 1 of them is GF. If we assume GF lurks to avoid getting shot and only towns with lowest delay get killed at night We have town killing town and town dying at night so...

Day 8

4 players. 1 is town with 2 day delay, other 3 have 1 day delay. Again we have the 50/50. You got 3 players that same shot delay. One of them is scum but no one knows who that is. Each townie with that delay knows themself to be town so its between 2 people who the GF is. 50/50. Town won the last 50/50 so let's do the fair thing and assume they lose this one

Day 9

2 players. 1 is town with 2 day delay and the other is the GF with 1 day delay. GG for the scum assuming they get there before that town's delay ends

Unless town gets both 50/50's right, they will lose. Only getting 1 is not gonna cut it. So two 50/50's means 3/4 of the time, shit will go wrong for town here.

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Did some math "off camera". I have bumped this thread long enough

I think things are even BUT I would change a few things.

-Don't mod kill someone that makes a fake kill or a kill when on delay.
This can hurt the town as it did here. Kills a townie that deserved punishment during day and kills a player at night that did not deserve punishment. And this punishment won't hurt scum as much since the day ending early can help scum as it will cut down on discussion and scum can still get a kill at night after the modkill. As long as you have a kill and its clear who your target is (Abbreviations and slight misspelling allowed), your kill should go through. If you do not have a kill or its on delay,

mod should just say NO or maybe extend that single player's delay or remove their chance to inspect for a night. That penalty to that player only would be more fair then effecting the entire town or mafia. Penalize a single player, not an entire team

-In a scenario where a win is inevitable as in scum have more players and or a shorter delay than town, game should just end.
This should have applied in our game here and in the scenario I outlined earlier where GF had 1 day delay and only remaining townie had 2 day delay.

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Are you seriously still telling people how we played poorly?

This game has been over for three weeks.

No i am not trying to do that. I was trying to determine if the game could be run fairly in an open format unlike the closed one we had