Open 799 Chosen Mafia (Game Over)

[OutWorldER]

Hey, hey.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Spoiler: Look at me

[OutWorldER]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

[OutWorldER]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

im happy to answer that once people have answered the question (although i think there are probably several reasons, some more obvious than others). appreciate you know none of the people - who would you have picked?

I would've had to metadive people in order to give you a proper answer to that and as it stands I've done none of that so I can't really give you a proper answer.

[OutWorldER]

I wouldn't have.

I would have stayed quiet a bit longer to see if there was a trail I could tag in on before casting my first vote.

This is why it's curious to me that for random initial voting, we already have people with two votes on them.

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.

interesting - I won't comment on this yet as I actually think it would be helpful to ask this question of everyone at the outset.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

who and what are you responding to with this, I'm somewhat confused.

[OutWorldER]

what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

[OutWorldER]

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

[OutWorldER]

Trying to wrap my head around this current situation.

BM and Koba locktown, I agree.

Norwee's thought processes look similar to my own at this point so I've got a minor townlean there. I'll metadive him later to see if that's a constant throughout his games.

between the other two, Norwee seems like the obvious scum from the pre-emptive outrage about lolhammering in 72 and 82

could you explain to me the logic behind "they opposed the lolhammer so they are scummy", because that really doesn't follow for me. Especially since Umlaut was also dismissive of the hammer.

this goes for Norwee and myself, by the way.

It's either Ben or Username, I think. And Username looks to be scumhunting pretty genuinely to me so PoE tells me to vote Ben.

VOTE: benhalkum

[OutWorldER]

I feel like if Outworld is town then that makes IamUsername scum.
While Benhalkum is just this unspicy inactive nub that probably wouldn’t make an kill like Umlaut.
So vote in Outworld/Username for the solve i think?

I'm not sure I agree with that because Username is also the one who immediately started pushing me.

I'd think, if he were scum, he'd be aware of the position he's in and wouldn't push me like that immediately.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

i quite liked this post, as doesn't scream "informed", but why midway here?

My thought process (at the time) was that people who were pushing a speedwagon on D1 (usually the most informative day and one I generally prefer to take slow) were probably scum, especially if that person was chosen.

[OutWorldER]

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scummy

No.

[OutWorldER]

could you explain to me the logic behind "they opposed the lolhammer so they are scummy", because that really doesn't follow for me. Especially since Umlaut was also dismissive of the hammer.

after having determined that all of BM, Koba, ben and midway are town, narrowing my pool down to two, it would seem to make some kind of objective sense that the person speaking out against hammering scum is more likely to be the other scum than the person who voted for scum. this is why i singled out Norwee as the 'obvious' choice. note that i didn't actually vote for him.

again, the logic falls apart when you consider that Umlaut was also against the hammer (and somewhat defended Italiano actually), and he was NK'd. It especially doesn't follow since my objections were made

after

the hammer.

[OutWorldER]

ah sick, I'm at L-1.

I mean, I don't see anything that indicates that I am or am not Chosen so I have no idea if I'm actually ok with being elimm'd. I kinda want to like, keep playing, man.

I still do think it's gotta be Username or Ben in the scum and Ben is more likely from my POV.

[OutWorldER]

it's a weird situation because unless I'm Chosen a Townie elim is not purely negative town EV so like

???

I still don't follow the logic Koba and Username are using to case me though.

[OutWorldER]

It was Election Day yesterday and stuff is still happening to us yanks so give some of us a hot minute.

[OutWorldER]

whats the fastest town win on this site?

probably one of the Assassins in the Palace games because the strat in those is literally to speedelim people.

[OutWorldER]

i've explained this multiple times.

you and I seem to think similarly at points which gives me minor townleans and I've already stated that the logic behind you "seeming like obvious scum" (as stated in Usernames first post of D2) doesn't follow for me

BM and Koba are obviously town, midway too for the intent to hammer.

so it just leaves Ben and Username, and Username looks pretty towny to me. So Ben gets my nom by PoE.

[OutWorldER]

hmm is Username scum or chosen

is Norway scum or chosen

decisions I must now make.

[OutWorldER]

actually fuck it, unless BM or Koba are big braining us I don't think Town can really lose.

VOTE: iamausername

[OutWorldER]

what

[OutWorldER]

You and BM are most likely town. The scenarios in which you two are scum are incredibly far-fetched.

We can solve either of you if Username flips Chosen.

If Username flips scum then we obviously win.

Username flipping regular town means we can PoE the Chosen tommorow and win off of that.

it would be incredibly hard for town to lose here.

[OutWorldER]

if i have a strong read that im not the chosen imma honestly just self

did we ever confirm if there's only one chosen remaining scum still gets endgamed?

[OutWorldER]

hold on I just had a big brain revelation

[OutWorldER]

or well maybe small brain but I think I got something

[OutWorldER]

okay maybe it is small brain after all

my thought was basically that if Norway was here BM probably gets elim'd easy but thinking about it'd probably be just as contentious as it is now.

[OutWorldER]

i've been ISOing both of you and my conclusions are

i have no fucking idea.

[OutWorldER]

Koba you do seem to play like you have TMI at times but I'm also not sure such brazen tone comes from scum

BM has seriously massive contradictions in his ISO and tbh some of his stuff reads to me like pretending to look busy now that I take a more critical eye to it.

[OutWorldER]

I AM SO FUCKING NERVOUS I KEEP LOOKING AT THE ISO'S AND MY HEART TELLS ME TO VOTE BM BUT MY PARANOIA TELLS ME NO.

[OutWorldER]

so you dont consider the fact u could be chosen?

THERE ARE MANY FACTORS I AM TRYING TO CONSIDER.

[OutWorldER]

Day 2 it kinda feels like you knew ben was chosen and were distancing yourself from the wagon purposefully. the same is also kinda true for Italiano but in reverse.

it seems like when you got the questions you always knew the right answer which is making me lose my shit.

[OutWorldER]

i should've asked for a notes PT or kept a google doc because I now have to do fuckin math

[OutWorldER]

it was my poe solve at the time. I thought there was no way you, BM or midway were scum, so it was norway/username/ben, and I liked the former two far more than ben.

clearly I was wrong but there it is.

[OutWorldER]

i need to sleep

i will try to solve tommorow.

[OutWorldER]

gg

this is why we do not lolhammer

D1 is the most informative day, ending it early is almost always a bad idea.

well played koba.