Open 799 Chosen Mafia (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

did you choose me Norweg? how could you resist...

[Battle Mage]

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

[Battle Mage]

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.

interesting - I won't comment on this yet as I actually think it would be helpful to ask this question of everyone at the outset.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

[Battle Mage]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

im happy to answer that once people have answered the question (although i think there are probably several reasons, some more obvious than others). appreciate you know none of the people - who would you have picked?

[Battle Mage]

keen to get everyone's answers to that question - or failing that, a good justification for why you won't answer. (spoiler: there is no good justification for that)

[Battle Mage]

easy pagetop:

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

[Battle Mage]

oh...i just re-read the setup, it isn't what i thought at all.

I thought scum chose the chosen townies.

hmm...tactical retreat.

[Battle Mage]

let me re-phrase my question...

who would you have veto'd if you were scum

(thereby preventing them from becoming chosen)?

[Battle Mage]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

im happy to answer that once people have answered the question (although i think there are probably several reasons, some more obvious than others). appreciate you know none of the people - who would you have picked?

I would've had to metadive people in order to give you a proper answer to that and as it stands I've done none of that so I can't really give you a proper answer.

ok thanks!

[Battle Mage]

oh...i just re-read the setup, it isn't what i thought at all.

I thought scum chose the chosen townies.

hmm...tactical retreat.

Hmm, either you're dumbtelling or that's just a dirty trick.

lol i'm actually wondering if you made the same mistake as me, based on your initial answer?

[Battle Mage]

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

Essentially

just

Dkkoba cus they kicked my ass in a previous cult game and they're pretty good at pushing their reads.

the word "just" implied you could've picked more than 1 perhaps

[Battle Mage]

tfw norwee vetod me ): VOTE: norwee

having now read the setup properly, this makes sense.

[Battle Mage]

Hmm. Would scum!Mage try to fake a dumbtell like this?

I don't know for sure, but I think

probably

it's somewhat unlikely? So I'm going to provisionally guess he's town.

excellent, i have accidentally obvtowned by being a fool. a classic BM-move. let's hope I am Chosen and scum are now halfway to being screwed.

[Battle Mage]

oh...i just re-read the setup, it isn't what i thought at all.

I thought scum chose the chosen townies.

hmm...tactical retreat.

Hmm, either you're dumbtelling or that's just a dirty trick.

lol i'm actually wondering if you made the same mistake as me, based on your initial answer?

Nah, i was fully aware scum puts in a veto.

in that context, i can follow your dkkoba answer more, although not sure I believe it. I reckon scum-Norweg would hate the idea of having to day-elim me, knowing that i almost never get day-elimmed.

[Battle Mage]

luckily most people in the game dont know me, so probably wouldnt have vetoed me.

[Battle Mage]

I wouldn't have.

I would have stayed quiet a bit longer to see if there was a trail I could tag in on before casting my first vote.

This is why it's curious to me that for random initial voting, we already have people with two votes on them.

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.

interesting - I won't comment on this yet as I actually think it would be helpful to ask this question of everyone at the outset.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

dumbtell not withstanding, I don't understand this. Please tell me more Ben!

[Battle Mage]

hmm...midwaybear might have veto'd me. doesn't really matter now though now even scum dont know who is chosen.

[Battle Mage]

haha if scum didn't veto me, ya suck. It's been 28 consecutive games since I was last day-elimmed.

[Battle Mage]

Er, scum do know who is chosen, they're the only ones who know. That's the whole point of the setup.

LOL goddamnit!!!! I'm already floundering. Can we start again?

What I meant is, they don't choose...

Spoiler:

phew, saved it

[Battle Mage]

haha if scum didn't veto me, ya suck. It's been 28 consecutive games since I was last day-elimmed.

People saying this sort of thing just makes me want to vote them purely to mess up their record.

dude i need something to cling to, my winrate is shite!

[Battle Mage]

Weird that BM already supposedly dumbtold once and didn't even bother to understand the setup.

Dumbtell twice, that's good old BM.

I totally meant to do the second one, i was just testing you.

Now I'm just going to pretend none of this ever happened.

[Battle Mage]

interested to get takes on Benhalkum's post while we wait for him to return?

[Battle Mage]

Weird that BM already supposedly dumbtold once and didn't even bother to understand the setup.

Weird, sure, but what if anything do you make of it?

it's a blessing and a curse. Let's just hope it doesn't hurt my credibility...

[Battle Mage]

[Battle Mage]

I would let my partner decide who to veto.

and who is your partner?

[Battle Mage]

No, my partner is Black Mage.

lol you could probably get away with this if I wasn't black...

[Battle Mage]

Stop...

...Not hammertime because i am taking this game seriously and lolhammering is -EV town wincon and should be avoided.

Norweg is the voice of reason in this game? I'm gonna need a minute...

[Battle Mage]

I'd like Italiano to claim his role first.

gross, VOTE: midwaybear

[Battle Mage]

unless he was kidding...hmm...

it struck me as deadpan on initial read, but maybe I was hasty

UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

Does Italiano not realize he is at L-1?

do you seriously want him to claim?

[Battle Mage]

it wasn't clear, but ill give the benefit of the doubt

[Battle Mage]

also i dont actually think he's at -1...i tried counting but then got bored lol

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: italianoVD

let's roll the dice!

[Battle Mage]

too slow buddy

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if this is scum, you'd better NK me tonight because i'm gonna smug as fuck tomorrow lol

[Battle Mage]

also sorry ItalianoVD etc etc

[Battle Mage]

i skimmed all of his completed games, didn't give me much of a sense either way. but he's got as good a chance as any, it's been a long time since I saw a flip this early, and last time I did it did hit scum.

[Battle Mage]

also it's also a massive cock up if he flips chosen lol

[Battle Mage]

also it's

also

ONLY a massive cock up if he flips chosen lol

[Battle Mage]

this is how we used to do it in 2007... lol

[Battle Mage]

the little animated thing tipped me over the edge tbh. he did that in his scumgame, and none of his towngames.

[Battle Mage]

interested to get takes on Benhalkum's post while we wait for him to return?

think it was also a fine dumbtell, seems like he thought the question you were asking was "who would you vote, if you were scum?", suggesting he had even less of an idea of the mechanics of the game than you did. if every town player could just go ahead and inadvertently reveal that they have no idea what is going on, this game will be very easy.

Haha I drew the same conclusion. Tentatively townblocking Benhalkum.

in answer to the original question (or, not the original one, but that one that actually applies to the setup), i don't know most of the playerlist at all, so if my partner had a strong preference, i would have deferred to them. if i was making the choice myself, though, i'd probably pick Battle Mage. he's the player i'm most familiar with here, and i don't know that it would necessarily be difficult to get him executed, as such, but i do know it would be kind of a hassle.

VOTE: ItalianoVD (E-2)

ah damnit, i hope you're not scum, im banking on being chosen!

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage is my kind of guy. Don’t go after him tomorrow though. It was a simple mistake. I’d look more at Midwaybear for trying to get me to claim.

haha only love brother, only love.

I'm struggling with Midway, but if you flip town I promise to take a close look at him tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba and midway, but not BM, tommorow.

I agree, as amended.

[Battle Mage]

How is lol hammering a simple mistake? What?
Also, me asking you to claim was a complete joke.

well its a simple mistake if he flips town lol which i suspect from his reaction may be the case...

[Battle Mage]

the little animated thing tipped me over the edge tbh. he did that in his scumgame, and none of his towngames.

Check again.

haha that's real meta mate, tell me where i'm wrong!

[Battle Mage]

Out of the eight games I’ve played on here I’ve posted gifs in all but 2 and those were my very first two games on the site.

not in your first few posts though - specifically, the early gif did it

[Battle Mage]

(it would be helpful if you could say i'm right, to buy me some towncred for tomorrow) lol

[Battle Mage]

were you scum though ItalianoVD?

[Battle Mage]

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scum post

what do you think about mr umlaut?

[Battle Mage]

ah explain now! i'm all for some towncred!

Also, Norweg - what do you think about ben's open here?

[Battle Mage]

i guess i'm either Chosen, or Norweg is scum trollin' me

[Battle Mage]

We were just lucky that we speedwagoned scum. If Italiano was actually town, I think he wouldn't have been hammered. His reaction was pretty bad.
Umlaut is a weird kill yeah.

it was all about the meta dude - this is one for all those ppl who say "meta is trash"

[Battle Mage]

I agree that i look like obvious scum here,

I actually wasn't thinking that at all coming into today. You'd be towards the bottom of the list of people I'd flip.

i thought it was Umlaut and i'd have to fight them today. So that kill really took me by surprise.

you thought Umlaut was scum and were worried about a 1v1? eh, we're in a strong position bro, keep cool.

But honestly, i've never played with Italiano before, and even though i got some slight pings on them from the beginning. An fast growing wagon like that felt like bad news to me so i didn't want someone to immediately hammer. Sure they flipped scum, but 9 times out of 10 a wagon like that would flip town and that's why i opposed it.

Genuinely my experience has proven exactly the opposite. In small games, a fast early wagon on scum is pretty common. It's the laborious stalling wagons you need to watch out for.

I'm probably gonna catch up on the new posts and then give my overall thoughts on the game.

[Battle Mage]

How is lol hammering a simple mistake? What?
Also, me asking you to claim was a complete joke.

its also town in a way i can explain if im alive d2.

I'd like Dkkoba to explain this^

[Battle Mage]

i do agree it's more likely scum was on wagon than off wagon. i don't think anyone is nailed on town (apart from me, but that's more for my earlier townslips than the hammer)

[Battle Mage]

Norweg, your read/general thoughts on Ben please? (i saw you both played an open setup together before)

[Battle Mage]

oops cross-posted, but please feel free to expand lol

[Battle Mage]

so my initial thought coming into today was that it's Iamausername

[Battle Mage]

but i think probably most helpful for me to sit back a little bit to get more info. As scum need to orchestrate 2 specific mis-elims now, so if we have clarity, it should be fairly obvious. We don't need to rush today.

[Battle Mage]

but that's more for my earlier townslips than the hammer

Yes, I didn't really think your hammer was too town indicative.

does that matter to you?

[Battle Mage]

TBone

- if it ends up 1 chosen v 1 mafia, does town win?

[Battle Mage]

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

i quite liked this post, as doesn't scream "informed", but why midway here?

[Battle Mage]

Outworld -

Ben or Username

, and has ruled out ever voting

me, Dkkoba. Likes Norweg too

.
Norweg -

Outworld or Username

, and has ruled out ever voting

me, Dkkoba or Midway

.
Username -

Outworld or maybe Norweg/Midway

(although one might be chosen?), and has obvtowned

me and dkkoba. Likes Ben too.

Midway - no commitment so far, just some reflections on the previous day and a lowkey attempt to downgrade my obvtowniness. implied scum is on-wagon, so assumes

Norweg-town.

Ben - nothing
Dkkoba - nothing

Some questions then:

Dkkoba - once you have answered my previous question to you, please share your reflections on the game?
Midway - please could you give me your top town/scum reads, including any locktowns from your perspective?
Ben - same as above

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

[Battle Mage]

intuitively i'm looking favourably on those who have been pro-active with townblocking. as scum should really want to keep options open here.

Norweg, why are you so fond of Midway again?

[Battle Mage]

dkkoba townread midwaybear for making a joke, and that's the basis for your own townread?

[Battle Mage]

Weird that BM already supposedly dumbtold once and didn't even bother to understand the setup.

This post pretty bad actually.

2 observations i would make on midwaybear:

He seems pretty detached and disinterested - which could be scum who is just going through the motions of a game that is gonna be hard work from here on out.

He has not seemed at all excited at me being obvtown and has tried to play it down a couple times - which could imply he is scum who is relying on getting me day-elimmed.

Just thoughts!

[Battle Mage]

How is lol hammering a simple mistake? What?
Also, me asking you to claim was a complete joke.

its also town in a way i can explain if im alive d2.

This clearly shows Dkkoba had a reason for townreading it though, that's why i'm asking them about it here.

oh, i see, maybe.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not thinking about this game too much right now, but I'll read back sometime.

tbh mate, it's not a long game, there isn't much to think about, and if you're town, you're on the cusp of an easy win. What's not to get excited about?

[Battle Mage]

How is lol hammering a simple mistake? What?
Also, me asking you to claim was a complete joke.

its also town in a way i can explain if im alive d2.

I'd like Dkkoba to explain this^

its a way to get scum to slip and claim chosen when all of us get vt role pms no matter if chosen or not

yeah maybe if scum are as stupid as me then haha

[Battle Mage]

oops, multiple hydra slips...sorry Mod (that was Battle Mage)

[Battle Mage]

i do not support flipping anyone until we get some reads/takes from Ben. Unless it's Ben we're flipping.

i also don't really think outworld is that scummy, so not planning to drop any hammer today.

[Battle Mage]

V/LA until Monday evening

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: benhalkum

may as well go to night now then

[Battle Mage]

Am i being insane here? Or is this making sense?
I think Battle Mage and Benhalkum should both be cleared so far based on this.

Not insane, but taking a small leap I think.

I don't necessarily buy the Benhalkum play-dumb town-slip here, given:

He has clearly read some of the game, given his passionate defence now he is on the chopping block.
The game has largely been dominated by idiotic town-slips and the aftermath, and I'm sure that wouldn't have been lost on him.
He doesn't appear to be an idiot, and it's perfectly reasonable in the context of this game that he would be faking ignorance.

It strikes me that he didn't care much during Day 1, or about Day 1 after it had finished. His engagement on Day 2 has purely been to try and survive and throw shade at those attacking him. Post 265 is not good, and I'm still perfectly happy flipping Ben today.

VOTE: Benhalkum

[Battle Mage]

If he has read your dumbslip and thought of faking it, why would he claim you are scummy?

perhaps i'm Chosen.

[Battle Mage]

If he has read your dumbslip and thought of faking it, why would he claim you are scummy?

perhaps i'm Chosen.

Would anyone buy getting in on a wagon on you at this point?

i dont think scum have much choice now other than to try and push chosen ppl.

*shrug* i'll be disappointed if you're town and you threw away our benhalkum flip.

VOTE: iamausername

[Battle Mage]

it's only -1, I do want an actual hammer if we're doing this.

[Battle Mage]

why are u whiteknighting my reaction test

dude you pulled the same thing on Day 1. and I want to get some actual legit reactions to the fact he is at -1, not days worth of confusion about whether he should already be dead.

[Battle Mage]

Because BM is a blockhead.

you're a blockhead. why are we not flipping Ben? we could actually do it right now.

[Battle Mage]

BM single-handedly eliminated scum with robust meta analysis. And now we are inexplicably not just eliminating obvscum Ben, but posting pages of nothing. Making this a bore.

[Battle Mage]

If you're the scum i pre-emptively congratulate you though Dkkoba, lolhammering your scum partner and then just riding that towncred to victory would be an pretty impressive scum strat.

he didnt hammer, and also he shouldn't be town-blocked simply for being on the wagon, any more than anybody else.

[Battle Mage]

So just kill all of Iamusername/Benhalkum/Outworld for the solve?
*Munch munch*

dude you're overthinking it, can we please take this one day at a time. I'm in favour of flipping Ben, but not assuming too much about anyone else - although pinning people to positions is helpful.

[Battle Mage]

id swap ben with BM but sure

this is also pretty gross.

Order of preference to flip today:

Ben
Dkkoba

VOTE: Ben just to confirm

[Battle Mage]

If you're the scum i pre-emptively congratulate you though Dkkoba, lolhammering your scum partner and then just riding that towncred to victory would be an pretty impressive scum strat.

he didnt hammer, and also he shouldn't be town-blocked simply for being on the wagon, any more than anybody else.

Ok so he was like "Dude it would be so AWESOME if you just hammered Italiano here! DAMN BOII!!"
But yes, they didn't actually place the hammer vote.

you think he couldnt do that as scum? come on man.

NOBODY should be off your radar based on Day 1 play. if you're town, suggest keeping a somewhat open-mind, but also making the best flip choice each day.

I am going to go from low effort to zero effort at this rate.

[Battle Mage]

Let's just kill Ben because they barely contribute. I don't care anymore.
VOTE: benhalkum

and also in a world where BM is chosen, it can only really be Ben or Dkkoba.

[Battle Mage]

the way bm be pushing me makes me really think theyre scum and im chosen

haha thats exactly what i said about you.

[Battle Mage]

If you were chosen why kill Umlaut.

who knows

[Battle Mage]

Benhalkum...ffs man.

VOTE: username

which incidentally, is what i said we should do at the beginning of Day 2. Although at this point, who the fk knows. I'd say most likely town is Norweg.

[Battle Mage]

if it isn't username, the kill tonight should tell us a lot. but i dont think its helpful to say more now.

[Battle Mage]

Also i think i understand why second chosen wasn't killed tonight. It might say too much about who was likely chosen by mafia.

[Battle Mage]

If this flips town can we all ok to fast night.

it's 24 hours dude, and this is a bit of a crapshoot now

[Battle Mage]

If this flips town can we all ok to fast night.

it's 24 hours dude, and this is a bit of a crapshoot now

But if we're going to spend 2 hours to vote and hammer like it's an marathon game then 24 hours feels like forever.

QFT

[Battle Mage]

- Chosen Townies are immune to nightkills and cannot be endgamed if both are still alive. (Ie. 2 Chosen vs 2 Mafia is a town win)

I think this means that both chosen are always immune to nightkills. But it doesn't say anything about whether mafia will be endgamed if the last chosen is still alive. Only if both are alive.
@Mod
Can you clarify this?

i asked this in thread on Day 2, but assume the same as you.

Also can a chosen townie be nightkilled if the second one has been eliminated? (as is the case here)

i assume not? isn't the point of the game that mafia have to day-elim the chosen ones?

[Battle Mage]

TBone

- if it ends up 1 chosen v 1 mafia, does town win?

did we ever get this officially confirmed

think it's going to be pretty important now

ah, that'll teach me for reading backwards

[Battle Mage]

Here's an idea. How about we DON'T quickhammer next time.

i agree - it will be exLo tomorrow if username is being real.

[Battle Mage]

the thing that concerns me is that BM made a plan to execute Outworld if Ben flipped Chosen, then immediately hammered me today when given the opportunity

makes that plan feel more like the old lining up miselims

did I? tbh, I feel like I've been right to be open-minded in this game. Ben just made a mistake to shade me yesterday when I was obvtown, but it was clearly due to him not reading the game. I'm not going to say more about my reads today - we'll see how the dust settles, but the less info for scum the better. Obviously if I'm dead, just

quick-hammer someone

be careful and take your time.

[Battle Mage]

sure.

i think it might be BM at this point. if not, i was right in the first place and it's Outworld. Koba and Norwee are town for sure.

I really have no idea how I can be scumread in this game. It's inconceivable.

[Battle Mage]

i mean you insisted on an execution of a Chosen townie yesterday then speedhammered town today

i don't know why you think you wouldn't be suspicious at this point

because i obvtowned with my idiocy on Day 1, unless you really think that was a gambit (in which case, thanks I'm flattered!). I don't think anyone comes up smelling of roses from these day phases otherwise, and nobodies voting behaviour makes them conftown.

i'll share more thoughts tomorrow if alive.

[Battle Mage]

Here's an idea. How about we DON'T quickhammer next time.

i agree - it will be exLo tomorrow if username is being real.

If he’s real?

really town, and not just slow-rolling.

[Battle Mage]

You can’t seriously believe they are scum after their reaction BM.

i don't tbh, but it's not confirmed. half the players on this site slow-roll as scum.

[Battle Mage]

especially at endgame

[Battle Mage]

that's incorrect - I asked the Mod again during the night, the 1 remaining chosen is basically useless. We need to flip scum today to win.

[Battle Mage]

in a never-before-seen move during ExLo, I'm going to re-read the ENTIRE GAME in full before doing anything.

[Battle Mage]

the rules were pretty ambiguous. i asked on Day 2, and still hadn't got an answered. I figured there was a good chance I'd be alive today so it would matter.

i think it's possible scum didn't know the rules either

[Battle Mage]

as i read back, it strikes me that if Dkkoba is town here, he could've put in a bit more effort to engage and give some views to allow himself to be sorted. likewise, if Outworld is town...his early targetting of Ben was unfortunate.

[Battle Mage]

Hey, hey.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Spoiler: Look at me

opening-vote distancing. a classic scumbuddy move.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

i don't really get good vibes from this, but nothing major.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

I know none of the people here so uhhhhhhhhhh

curious though, why exactly do you think this question helps town? I can actually see how it does, but I want to know your own reasons.

im happy to answer that once people have answered the question (although i think there are probably several reasons, some more obvious than others). appreciate you know none of the people - who would you have picked?

I would've had to metadive people in order to give you a proper answer to that and as it stands I've done none of that so I can't really give you a proper answer.

again, not the best. too many words to say very little. Minor townpoints for willingness to engage. But deduct those for only engaging in a defensive way - Outworld answered my questions, but didn't ask me the same back, although he did challenge me on 1 thing.

I wouldn't have.

I would have stayed quiet a bit longer to see if there was a trail I could tag in on before casting my first vote.

This is why it's curious to me that for random initial voting, we already have people with two votes on them.

If i was scum here i wouldn't have selected you. Just sayin.

genuine question - why?

Cus i don't think you would have been my number 1 threat. Assuming SvT.

interesting - I won't comment on this yet as I actually think it would be helpful to ask this question of everyone at the outset.

If you were scum, who would you have Chosen and crucially, WHY?

who and what are you responding to with this, I'm somewhat confused.

Outworld immediately jumps on Benhalkum's first post (who we now know was Chosen).

keen to get everyone's answers to that question - or failing that, a good justification for why you won't answer. (spoiler: there is no good justification for that)

no

not engaged, until...

VOTE: italiano e-1

this vote came a bit out of nowhere. Dkkoba didn't seem to think Italiano was scummy - he hadn't commented on it previously, and Italiano hadn't posted since Dkkoba's last. Yet he was suddenly very excited and as conspicuous as possible, making the biggest possible show of eliminating Italiano. In this setup, if Dkkoba-town, it's a dubious play.

but what if we lolhammered scum within the first 3 hours of the game

SPEEDRUN

is this ur partner norwee

VOTE: italiano
and thats hammer

do it

why are you so concerned?

or maybe they're caught scum ggez

Does Dkkoba know Italiano is gonna flip scum? Sure looks like it. Also half-hearted attempt to set up a Norweg-elim off the back of it.

Lol not hammer goofy Koba!

But I will do this

VOTE: Koba

So eager. OMGUS

a performative style of vote, screaming "look at me". More likely a time to distance, so indicates dkkoba-scum.

ggwp

Does Dkkoba know Italiano is gonna flip scum? Sure looks like it.

what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

town points. no reason for OutWorld-scum to mourn his lost compatriot like that. at the very least it goes against basic scum instinct.

Battle Mage is my kind of guy. Don’t go after him tomorrow though. It was a simple mistake. I’d look more at Midwaybear for trying to get me to claim.

Italiano seeming confident. Not sure he'd have much faith in Outworld winning from this position, given his previous post above. Dkkoba though? he got his distancing vote in before the end, and Dkkoba also had played the part.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

overall I love the 2nd half of this post - lots of good town vibes here. Doesn't seem remotely informed, casts the net wide and isn't afraid of throwing some shade despite being all alone.

However, the first part is just copying someone else's rationale (which was actually a weak rationale anyway) and is a bit of a change of course from the initial "wtf is going on", so slightly less town.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scum post

maybe dkkoba is just a genius town.

I am a teensy bit paranoid Dkkoba is big braining everything. But it could just be someone with slightly fake posts like Outworld. I wanna see their posts before i place votes though.

nice reads Norweg, there's scum in that solve.

ItalianoVD - 5 (benhalkum, OutWorldER, iamausername, DkKoba, Battle Mage)

I think it's probably just an early busser tbh.

so Norweg thinks it's Outworld.

We were just lucky that we speedwagoned scum. If Italiano was actually town, I think he wouldn't have been hammered. His reaction was pretty bad.
Umlaut is a weird kill yeah.

I agree with Midway's logic here. Normally these early flips on scum happen because a wagon forms, and their partners hop on late to distance/bus. which would imply Dkkoba.

nice im chosen.

slightly scummy - I think Dkkoba-scum is more likely to sell this than Dkkoba-town.

Trying to wrap my head around this current situation.

BM and Koba locktown, I agree.

If he's scum, Outworld's 2 locktowns include 1 Chosen. If Outworld-scum believes he needs to elim both Chosen to win, this is backing himself into an impossible corner. My gut is that Outworld didn't know the rules which would suggest he's town for this, but it's possible the Mod gave scum an edge.

Norwee's thought processes look similar to my own at this point so I've got a minor townlean there. I'll metadive him later to see if that's a constant throughout his games.

between the other two, Norwee seems like the obvious scum from the pre-emptive outrage about lolhammering in 72 and 82

could you explain to me the logic behind "they opposed the lolhammer so they are scummy", because that really doesn't follow for me. Especially since Umlaut was also dismissive of the hammer.

this goes for Norwee and myself, by the way.

It's either Ben or Username, I think. And Username looks to be scumhunting pretty genuinely to me so PoE tells me to vote Ben.

VOTE: benhalkum

Opens with a vote for the Chosen. Looks bad, especially as:

A. he's the only one to really target Ben this early on Day 2.
B. he's the only one who really seemed interested in Ben on Day 1.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scummy

again, if Dkkoba-town, his reads this game have been on point. if only he'd done more to push them.

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.

We eventually unpicked that OutWorld was favouring a Ben-elim at the start of Day 2, and username was a booby prize. it's not great.

Outworld -

Ben or Username in that order

, and has ruled out ever voting

me, Dkkoba. Likes Norweg too

.
Norweg -

Outworld or Username

, and has ruled out ever voting

me, Dkkoba or Midway

.
Username -

Outworld or maybe Norweg

(although one might be chosen?), and has obvtowned

me and dkkoba. Likes Ben too.

Midway - no commitment so far, just some reflections on the previous day and a lowkey attempt to downgrade my obvtowniness. implied scum is on-wagon, so assumes

Norweg-town.

Ben - nothing
Dkkoba - nothing

Some questions then:

Dkkoba - once you have answered my previous question to you, please share your reflections on the game?
Midway - please could you give me your top town/scum reads, including any locktowns from your perspective?
Ben - same as above

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

Ok a proposition:

We flip Ben today. If he flips Chosen, we flip Outworld tomorrow (as he is the only one pushing for a Ben-flip, and is doing so as top preference), and we can townblock username who had said he wouldn't flip Ben.

Goddammit. If Outworld is scum, everyone should've listened to me on Day 2. I clearly said Ben-chosen meant Username-town, and we should immediately flip Outworld. Y'all suck.

Outworld - how come, after i'd done my lovely coloured list, you now don't think username is necessarily scum anymore?

I think, out of the two possible candidates (that I see from my POV) for scum, he is the more unlikely of the two.

I mean I kinda agree that Italiano just completely dismissing the fact that he was at L-1 was uhhhhhhhhh but like half the playerlist hasn't posted still.

If this flips Chosen then a serious evaluation needs to be done of Koba, midway and BM tommorow.

scummy

No.

yes
VOTE: outworlder

OK IM DRUNK BUT OUTWORLD IS SCUM LETS GO

are you so good dkkoba?

ah sick, I'm at L-1.

I mean, I don't see anything that indicates that I am or am not Chosen so I have no idea if I'm actually ok with being elimm'd. I kinda want to like, keep playing, man.

I still do think it's gotta be Username or Ben in the scum and Ben is more likely from my POV.

repetitive line, begs for life, hints at being chosen. not stellar.

it's a weird situation because unless I'm Chosen a Townie elim is not purely negative town EV so like

???

I still don't follow the logic Koba and Username are using to case me though.

struggling to know what a townie would say in this situation.

VOTE: username

dkkoba not at all interested in flipping Ben, barely a mention in fact.

Hammer Ben boys.
I’ll even take some of the responsibility if they flip town.

this never happened Norweg.

In fact i think i'm just going to vote here.
VOTE: Iamausername

reading back, this is the point where the gameplan got fked up (if Outworld-scum).

id swap ben with BM but sure

bc i townread ben over BM?

the way bm be pushing me makes me really think theyre scum and im chosen

only a passive defense of Ben here. Dkkoba scum would be playing the long game anyway, so probably had to do it, so null. the targetting of me looks bad, although less bad with the Ben-chosen flip (as still possible I'm not chosen, although unlikely).

hmm is Username scum or chosen

is Norway scum or chosen

decisions I must now make.

in fact, both were neither scum or chosen. big fail.

actually fuck it, unless BM or Koba are big braining us I don't think Town can really lose.

VOTE: iamausername

this makes me think maybe Outworld-town because why the fk would he leave Dkkoba and me alive until the end otherwise? It would be really poor scumplay.

You and BM are most likely town. The scenarios in which you two are scum are incredibly far-fetched.

We can solve either of you if Username flips Chosen.

If Username flips scum then we obviously win.

Username flipping regular town means we can PoE the Chosen tommorow and win off of that.

it would be incredibly hard for town to lose here.

i sorta dig this. if Outworld is scum, give the guy some kudos.

the thing that concerns me is that BM made a plan to execute Outworld if Ben flipped Chosen, then immediately hammered me today when given the opportunity

makes that plan feel more like the old lining up miselims

nah man, i just forgot the plan. you shoulda reminded me.

What is slow-rolling?

in twilight after being killed but before a flip, pretending that you were a role you weren't (i.e. town claiming scum/scum claiming town).

[Battle Mage]

in summary, it's a tough call today. For Outworld to be scum, I have to basically believe that dkkoba had amazing reads this game, but made it more difficult by low-efforting, and Outworld's towny posts in places were feigned. For Dkkoba to be scum, I have to believe that it's a coincidence that Outworld distanced from his scumbuddy early, and was the only person who showed real effort to push a Chosen-elim (Ben). Also I haven't really commented on it, but Outworld's open today wasn't great - just trying to clarify (incorrectly) the rules on how scum can win.

I think I'm leaning towards Outworld-scum, and if wrong, I'll accept that we were unlucky with his Ben-push. Although dkkoba, your ISO man, bleh.

[Battle Mage]

does Outworld kill Norweg here?

well if he can only choose from Norweg-Dkkoba, he is clearly better off in ExLo with me and Dkkoba than me and Norweg.

if he can only choose from Norweg-BM, he is 100% absolutely better of in ExLo with me and Dkkoba than Norweg and Dkkoba.

So, yes Outworld always kills Norweg here.

does Dkkoba kill Norweg here?

well if he can only choose from Outworld-Norweg, his odds are probably slightly better with me and Norweg, than me and Outworld. so a bad kill choice.

if he can only choose from Norweg-BM, his odds are clearly better in ExLo with Norweg and Outworld than with me and Outworld. so a very bad kill choice.

Dkkoba probably shouldn't be killing Norweg in that spot. Although who knows.

[Battle Mage]

i was defending ben and had him outside of my pov theres nearly 0 chance u should be seeing me as scum.

are u actually trying to figure out which one of us is scum or are u just trying to find scenarios where either of us are scum?

you've played this entire game like an informed minority - it's very reasonable that i would consider the possibility of you actually being one, so please don't talk silly.

[Battle Mage]

bloody hell, i get an immediate mod reprimand for accidentally getting someone's pronoun wrong, but bugger me if we could get clarification on how the setup works for 2 day-night phases.

i am checking out, i'll be back to make my casting vote later.

[Battle Mage]

or.. i can just read people.. lol

in all honesty my ego says to omgus u but logic states that outworld made that kill with the intent to frame u as scum + that id be most likely to not go after them.

omgus me? i havent even voted for you, or them, or whatever fk it

[Battle Mage]

T-Bone come on man, I subscribed to your YT channel and everything...

[Battle Mage]

having not been day-flipped in like 30 consecutive games, i'll be baffled if it happens in this one where I townslipped on Day 1 by not understanding the basic rules

although it's not 100% conf, because in theory i could fake it, it's pretty unlikely that i would (and i certainly never have before).

i don't think there's any need to overthink it beyond that. *shrug*

[Battle Mage]

i'm pretty much on Outworld at this point I think. quick meta search has me leaning scum here.

[Battle Mage]

also I'm like the only person who has always been suspicious of dkkoba for the entire game, meaning:

A. If he's scum, he made it about as difficult for himself as possible.
B. If he's scum, I still get some bragging rights, as I think Norweg would've already roasted Outworld in this spot.

[Battle Mage]

also if dkkoba scum, gotta give some credit for not even properly pushing a chosen after flaming his partner.

[Battle Mage]

Outworld just hasn't seemed that interested in solving today, and I have no idea what his dilemma would be anyway? How could Outworld-town think I'm scum at this point!?

[Battle Mage]

ah fuck it, let's gamble

VOTE: OutworldER

[Battle Mage]

haha damnit, but at least a quick verdict

[Battle Mage]

well, fair play GG

[Battle Mage]

it was close - i think we couldve got there if Outworld had been a bit more decisive in ExLo and pushed you hard, and we were pretty unlucky with him hunting Chosen-Ben from the start.

[Battle Mage]

some regrets but was a fun game - moved nice and quick!

and my never-getting mis-elimmed record is intact

[Battle Mage]

the thing that concerns me is that BM made a plan to execute Outworld if Ben flipped Chosen, then immediately hammered me today when given the opportunity

makes that plan feel more like the old lining up miselims

nah man, i just forgot the plan. you shoulda reminded me.

well, you know, maybe i would have done but you hammered me before i had the chance, pal

this game was silly

well played, Koba

tbh it wouldnt have much difference in the end.

[Battle Mage]

gg

this is why we do not lolhammer

D1 is the most informative day, ending it early is almost always a bad idea.

well played koba.

lol tbh, D1 went great, the problem was we stopped doing the basic scumhunting after that and got too wrapped up in the "chosen" gimmick.

In a normal game, I think we can flip dkkoba on Day 2 for the over-conspicuous bussing. But we collectively lost our heads.