Mini Normal 2177 | Town Win

[Noraa]

VOTE: Jackooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

JACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Noraa]

Ey shelly welly. make up ur mind. Is it mini 2177 or 2176 O_o

Corrected -S

[Noraa]

its Mini Normal 2177: Mini Normal 2176

Is this legit?

[Noraa]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

If town struggles with a consensus when we are nearing deadline, I want to say this is a very good PL right here. It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

[Noraa]

at this point i think you know me well enough to know i would never say something if it werent legit

*looks at tay tay with suspicion*
*goes to ask Jacko if taytay is lying to me*

[Noraa]

JACKOOOOOOO
*performs the summoning wild Jackos ritual*

[Noraa]

But I can't read u

[Noraa]

NM make a deal with me. Always have half my post count and posts that are relevant to the game and I'll never suggest a PL on you again this game.

[Noraa]

Hello, everyone. This is my first game out of newbie. I heard it's hell out here.

VOTE: Fuzzylogic

Whoever told you that is be shading us.

[Noraa]

mine

VC on this page. -S

[Noraa]

So, this is heaven?

*looks at Not_Mafia*

Yeah, I can totally see that.

Course its heaven dearie. Do you not see my devil horns?

[Noraa]

love your energy, noraa

[Noraa]

*waves*

*looks at taytay sternly*
I gets to welcome the newbies >:(

[Noraa]

Wait how do you get the Jack of all Trades thing under your name Noraa

Enough posts. Its like 5000 posts = JOAT title

[Noraa]

JACKOOOOOOO
*performs the summoning wild Jackos ritual*

It worked! :O

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

@noraa want to join me on that?

The answer was yes ... until I saw this post:

pings me as town

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me. VOTE: Golden

Town is paranoid and scared. Aint no town out there handing out town passes for no legit reason. Taylor's entrance post DID NOT say absolutely ANYTHING about her.

[Noraa]

No, I'm the epitome of the type of poster that nobody would miss if I were to suddenly disappear.

That makes me sad
NM I'd miss your quiet presence and your opening posts if one day you disappeared. I would be like "Hmmm MS is much less colorful without NM"

[Noraa]

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

[Noraa]

I never add anything of value

Colors are valuable.
Unique personalities are valuable.
Everyone is valuable some way or another.
dont sell yourself short.

[Noraa]

entrances are hard to fake well

I could literally go to a past town game and copy paste it and BOOM faked. You r P scummy.

[Noraa]

noraa on the other hand, she should probably just be wagoned into oblivion right now. she cant stop rolling scum.

thats mean

[Noraa]

We should yeet you for shading me like that >:(

[Noraa]

We should yeet you for shading me like that >:(

[Noraa]

We should yeet you for shading me like that >:(

[Noraa]

fuck my wifi

[Noraa]

*Taylor has been ejected. she was imposter*
*watches taytay fly off into space*
welp 1 down, 2 more to go!

[Noraa]

Red is always the imposter jus sayin

[Noraa]

i'm going to advocate hard for a nm policy today because their shit is objectively antitown and no one wants it

I'm going to say that you're scum because N_M is an easy vote-park for scum.

>:)

See, I suggested it first 1) to get reactions 2) to try to find scum and 3) because I *did* (before I was won over by NM's AtE) think that NM was the best PL if we were gonna do one.

I have come to the conclusion that golden is scum. They handed out multiple town passes. This can be described as "working hard with the little amount of info" or it can be described as scum slapping some words into a post and fake solving.

They ALSO immediately agreed with the idea of a PL on NM. Ok I suggested it legit like 4 pages in. Anyone that agrees in a not joking way is scum that trying to use me as a reason to try to lim NM. This could be scum theater specifically put there to make me look bad but I'm leaning Golden SCUM and NM town.

[Noraa]

*catching up*

[Noraa]

The answer was yes ... until I saw this post:

This can easily go into my town bin.

Holy fuck am I finally learning to obvtown?! After like ten games of getting limmed day 1 and day 2?!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*SCREAMS*
Ok now if u'll excuse me, my ice cream is waiting :3

It's incredibly coincidental that the person that they wanted to PL has become a SR for them. Although I may be looking too much into that

What is SR?

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.
Jacko not suspecting here is strange as well considering Jacko saw two of my first few scum games on site and he knows that I used to pull the noob card hard. I would be like "hmmm so if there's a fn and a tracker, its got to be column a setup"

Really I should just probably sheep Noraa once I figure her out but not yet.

hello! I dont like sheep but if u do it with style, perhaps I can accept it.

[Noraa]

My SRS atm are :
Golden
Zurel?(uncertain but we'll see)

I have zero townbins atm. someone obvtown >:(

[Noraa]

Taytay being real quiet this game. It's interesting and I'm not quite too sure what to think about it yet.

[Noraa]

I just briefly looked at Zurel's only finished game onsite. Tho the game was short I would die before I believe the abbreviation "SR" wasn't used.

[Noraa]

Also I'm going to spoiler on of their posts from that game for a little bit of an idea of what their posting looks like as town. In that game they were vanilla town.

Spoiler:

I will start with people I believe are townie:

- Titus: From the beginning I thought her L-1-ing Norway was a genuine mistake because it seemed like something so rookie and not something an experienced scum would do. But her case against Norway had been unpleasant, thus regardless of her alignment I thought it fine to lynch her. Right now, I'm inclined to believe she is town and the role she is claiming.
- Norway: I was not sure whether he was town or scum. All through that Titus vs Norway debacle, I thought either could be scum. The only clear things was they could not be both scum. Right now, I believe he is town.
- Trendall: From his posts, I think he is actively trying to scumhunt. And the difference between him and Titus is, at least he doesn't have tunnelvision. He was on Norway's tail for a bit but when he saw Titus as suspicious, he didn't have a problem leaving Norway to go after Titus. The way he plays make me think he is town.
- Salsabil: The fact she stands by her decision not to vote anyone Day 1 makes me believe that she is town. Even though I have experience as a player, I started this game not remembering almost everything about playing mafia. So I can understand why some issues may baffle a new player, because it did baffle me a bit until I read other players' explanation or asked them outright. An example, Norway was calling Salsabil sus for thinking either him OR Titus was scum/liar, but I think it was genuine new player's line of thought and isn't indicative or her alignment.

Now on the more murky water:
- Duke:

UNVOTE:
I'm not really comfortable with voting any more until I get some more information.

This post made me suspect him but he later explained

I probably should have prased that better, it was less about having a lack of information and more about having several therories and being unsure of which one to follow through on. I think you getting to E-1 also startled me a bit, as even though I've got a SR on you, I'm nowhere near confident enough to want to eliminate you, and I wouldn't really want anyone to be eliminated this early into the game.

and I bought that. Right now my read on him is null/town. He was ready to hammer Titus but when she claimed doctor, he decided against it and the way I see it, it looks like the reaction of a new player with a bit of experience who is also a town. But because of his lack of post, my conviction on him being town is not as strong as the four listed above.
- Wiyvern: Null/town. Similar to Duke. He did not understand why we wanted to vote Titus despite the claim not being CC'ed, so seems to be a townie new player. It's possible that Duke or Wiyvern is scum, but I think it's less likely that they're both scums together.
- AuroraDash: At some point I did believe that he might be scum.

I've not played this setup before, so I guess that if somebody has drawn either Jailkeeper, Friendly Neighbour or Mason, they know that that's not true.

I think this is a good approach. Looking at the table of possible setup variations, there's a high probability that

if

it's a fake claim,

then

there will be at least one town power role present who knows that for certain. (I think this'll work in any version of the setup except 1C, which is two vanilla mafia vs. cop). What this means is that we're highly likely to find out if it's fake pretty soon, so I think we should hold off on hammering until then.

Stating the obvious and using it as an excuse to buy time seems scummy to me, but what do I know.

But to me at least, he does seem to have the inclination to say the obvious. Like asking about Salsabil's choice of font colour. And his latest post seems like a rehash of points already made by other players. I read him as null/scum.
- TownLooter: Actually I might have thought Looter town. But by rule of elimination, if I'm more inclined to believe that everyone else was town (with the exception of Aurora), I'm left with only Looter as the possible scum. This, of course, is a flimsy case at best.

[Noraa]

Looking at the format of the post, this isn't a newbie. Looking from the reasoning, this is a newbie. I believe they are new but perhaps not as new as that previous question made it seem.

[Noraa]

Eh, I dont think we need to read into this specific thing too much. It just was like deja vu for me considering when I was noobscum, I pulled the noob card much much harder.

[Noraa]

Zurel is a SL but there's nothing more to it unless they keep using their noob card in a ... what I consider unreasonable way.

[Noraa]

+2 scum points

[Noraa]

Zurel/Not_Mafia/?

NM TL for this post.

vote: jackson virgo

Explain.

[Noraa]

Noraa mentioned two games though.

The other game Jacko repped out bc Mini spoiled it

[Noraa]

vote: jackson virgo

Why?

i feel like tgp was pretty unafraid opening with a bunch of poorly backed gut reads and i don't feel like scum would go after obvious lunchbait like NM
the wagon feels very surface level so i kinda think theres scum on it, jackson virgo is my top choice

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

[Noraa]

Hmmm...

Here is where I show how easy it is to sow doubt in my mind.

@Noraa

How hard did Jackson go after you for using noob card? I mean, since you guys dug up my game, I can also ask about your games.

go dig it up then! I didn't ask you anything

I hope you realize that both those games where I used my noob card hard were scum games. Whether or not people went after me doesn't matter. What matters is the newbscum will use their noob card more.

[Noraa]

^this post was extremely fencesitty and shades all of your TRs :/

[Noraa]

It also didn't make sense imo

[Noraa]

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

[Noraa]

My brain isn't comprehending how thats supposed to make sense. Like the pieces just dont fit together :/

[Noraa]

I think I've done enough interrogating here. Zurel is a null now. Meta diving didn't help and they only have one finished game so its hard to tell what's up.
I think my most confident reads atm are
Town: NM
Scum: Golden

Null: every single other person here

[Noraa]

this pings me

hello! Please explain your reads better. Stop hopping from wagon to wagon otherwise u will get some scum points from me.

[Noraa]

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

I'm just considering the possibility. Good on you for being able to have 100% conviction on your read, but I don't.

And Rock's argument makes sense to me.

Hmm. You're a very level headed newbie. Difficult to read but I like it! You're a puzzle. I'll figure you out sometime later

[Noraa]

Oh, I did cry a bit and threw a table out of the window.

Poor table O_O

[Noraa]

ok.

vote: jackson virog

do you always hop from wagon to wagon like this?

[Noraa]

Hm a 2019 account with zero finished games. Alt?

[Noraa]

hm hard play style to sort but I think it'll become more obvious later on.

[Noraa]

Okay so TGP is actually scum

mhm Golden is p much lock scum in my mind.

[Noraa]

Taytays reads this game are weird.

[Noraa]

Also she blatantly misreps what I said and cherry picked a small part of my post to come shade me for ??? reason

[Noraa]

Love u taytay but like :/

[Noraa]

Also she blatantly misreps what I said and cherry picked a small part of my post to come shade me for ??? reason

how did i misrep? can you restate what you meant?

My whole interaction with Zurel was not what you ended up saying it was. Go back and read it again. You has another chance cuz ur my fav

[Noraa]

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Except Shosin's reads are all very easy to agree with if you think about them a bit more carefully. I believe that slot is paying quite a lot of attention and doing some decent reads.

[Noraa]

Noraa, how many scumpoints do I already have? I want to risk asking what LHF means.

it got reset. Im no longer sorting you that way. LHF = Low hanging fruit or the more common term : limbait

[Noraa]

The reads may be good, I don't know, but without words, I can't solve the slot. If she's scum the reads could be bang on.

Leave that slot alone. I like the reads and either way, if that slot is scum, we'll be able to tell other ways later on. Just watch

[Noraa]

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

No can do. I will not unless you give some valid reasons. I dont take "I am town because I am town"
"

[Noraa]

Thanks, Noraa.

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

I'm liking you more and more

[Noraa]

Nope. TGP is scum. He aint LHF. if you consider him LHF, god knows how wonky ur definition of LHF is.

I dont think Taylor is scum. I dont know what she is yet but that doesn't matter cuz I'll be able to figure it out someday.

Everyone derailing this Golden wagon is actually gonna look jackshit if he flips red which imo, he prolly will.

[Noraa]

@Not Mafia
You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Nora
Am I guessing right? You think TS is scummy but TGP is the better elimination? Trying to figure you out bc you seem to be scum reading Taylor but not willing to commit. Kind of feel like you think Taylor is likely scum but you are giving her a pass. How committed are you to TGP as scum? Taylor as scum?

I could be wrong ..as I said my day 1 reads are usually bad, but TGP seems like LHF at the moment. Just have this bad gut feeling that TGP is being wagoned and the scum are applauding,. I am pretty sure there is scum on the TGP wagon but I dont know who.

Rocky's logic makes sense kind of... Rockhopper can you break down why you think Zurel or Virog is likely the scum on the TGP wagon rather than the other player on that wagon. Trying to understand your logic here

in response to ^

[Noraa]

Rocky's logic makes sense kind of... Rockhopper can you break down why you think Zurel or Virog is likely the scum on the TGP wagon rather than the other player on that wagon. Trying to understand your logic here

I think gerain and noraa are both town, more on that later.
My vote on JV is stacked on Fuzzy atm, something isn't right.

you sure dropped that golden scum read fast

[Noraa]

Gun to head solve atm is Rockhopper/Golden/Herta

[Noraa]

Looks like stalling and stalling imo isn't good.

+1

[Noraa]

love your energy, noraa

Why do you scumread this, Nora?

a little bit of buddying doesn't get anyone a TR from me.

A list of towny to scummy:

Geraint
Jackson
Zurel
Nora
Rock
Herta
NM
Golden
Nepenthe
Fuzzy
Taylor

I'm probably wrong.

I should be at the top >:(

NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.

+townpoints. willing to town bin for this post specifically.

NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.

This is NM being attentive? Oh, wow.

Oh you sweet summer child

BAHAHAHA. I agree with shoshin. NM is being quite talky this game
*pats NM on the back*
My spammy nature is contagious

[Noraa]

Just for Nora

Just for Nora

This I would see as pocketing O_O
except I dont think scum pocket like this. They try to make it ... slicker.
I can town bin you for now.

Town bin now contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden and ofc shelly welly who always rolls scum(even in the games she mods)

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

Yucky.

TGP started good but feels really fake in 49.

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me.

Really hate this though.

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

??????????

I like Fuzzy's postings. Can't say why though (not a PR hint - just can't explain why).

Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.

Weird ask - hoping it's for the right reason.

109 is bad but it's not scummy. Just not really good logic behind it - even on reads we agree upon.

Looking back. I think Taylors ISO so far is absolute garbage fire.

It's page 6.

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.

???

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

who said you were unimaginative?

I like Rockhopper's postings.

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

I understand this but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

Bad post.

this pings me
vote: Zurel

I have more equity on noraaa scum for this than Zurel scum. I see a newbie making this 'mistake' as scum but I see noraaa being able to draw Zurel out to make that mistake for a Day 2 or Day 3 conversation.

Okay so TGP is actually scum

How about this - if the wagon I choose today (probably not TGP) doesn't flip red, I will tunnel TGP tomorrow?

so to the people who think its both zurel and TGP, do you think zurel is bussing? zurel stated a scumread before the wagon formed, and imo created the momentum for the wagon going from a couple early votes to a proper wagon.

I noted this before when Rockhopper brought it up but I'd like to go in depth here.

It would make 100% sense for this to be the case but the reason why I don't think this happened was due to placement of reads and how hard Zurel went on those reads. If I'm trying to hide my buddy as a scumread, am I really doing it as my top number one scumread and then not committing to making sure that scumread is lynched? The problem I have with this buss theory is that it's a half-assed bus and I think I'd see a newbie going too hard rather than too soft (more experienced players do the opposite in what I like to think of a 'poker face' gambit because they realize what is at stake if they lose a partner. I don't think newbies have that same knowledge).

rockhopper is kinda the most obvscum atm, dunno why rockhopper is getting a pass for hopping on zurel. its sus too that rockhopper votes zurel who a bunch of people were shading when the wagon is on TGP.

I think you're reading a little too hard into the silence but I understand that's nothing I can convince you on.

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Yeah, this slot flips red.

You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Incorrect - N_M will continue to do this all game. He'll be helpful though.

FYI - TGP is effectively at L-1. N_M will hammer TGP once he gets to L-1 with or without claim. It's just an N_M thing.

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

Yikes

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

This does ping me though, especially if Herta flips red.

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

I don't think you can but it's worth a shot.

Vote: Herta

A long few moments later, Noraa finally reads the wall post -________-
Thank you Hiraki for making long ass posts that suck ass to read >:(
The lack of interaction with Golden and the noticeable kind of avoiding Golden but slightly agreeing with consensus with the "yikes" makes me think high partner equity. Scum bin for you, sir.

[Noraa]

Town bin now contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden, Hiraki, and Shelly welly

Now we're just missing one scum and the game's solved
Im being overly positive considering this solve might have some problems but eh, idc. Let a girl dream.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

Yucky.

TGP started good but feels really fake in 49.

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me.

Really hate this though.

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

??????????

I like Fuzzy's postings. Can't say why though (not a PR hint - just can't explain why).

Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.

Weird ask - hoping it's for the right reason.

109 is bad but it's not scummy. Just not really good logic behind it - even on reads we agree upon.

Looking back. I think Taylors ISO so far is absolute garbage fire.

It's page 6.

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.

???

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

who said you were unimaginative?

I like Rockhopper's postings.

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

I understand this but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

Bad post.

this pings me
vote: Zurel

I have more equity on noraaa scum for this than Zurel scum. I see a newbie making this 'mistake' as scum but I see noraaa being able to draw Zurel out to make that mistake for a Day 2 or Day 3 conversation.

Okay so TGP is actually scum

How about this - if the wagon I choose today (probably not TGP) doesn't flip red, I will tunnel TGP tomorrow?

so to the people who think its both zurel and TGP, do you think zurel is bussing? zurel stated a scumread before the wagon formed, and imo created the momentum for the wagon going from a couple early votes to a proper wagon.

I noted this before when Rockhopper brought it up but I'd like to go in depth here.

It would make 100% sense for this to be the case but the reason why I don't think this happened was due to placement of reads and how hard Zurel went on those reads. If I'm trying to hide my buddy as a scumread, am I really doing it as my top number one scumread and then not committing to making sure that scumread is lynched? The problem I have with this buss theory is that it's a half-assed bus and I think I'd see a newbie going too hard rather than too soft (more experienced players do the opposite in what I like to think of a 'poker face' gambit because they realize what is at stake if they lose a partner. I don't think newbies have that same knowledge).

rockhopper is kinda the most obvscum atm, dunno why rockhopper is getting a pass for hopping on zurel. its sus too that rockhopper votes zurel who a bunch of people were shading when the wagon is on TGP.

I think you're reading a little too hard into the silence but I understand that's nothing I can convince you on.

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Yeah, this slot flips red.

You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Incorrect - N_M will continue to do this all game. He'll be helpful though.

FYI - TGP is effectively at L-1. N_M will hammer TGP once he gets to L-1 with or without claim. It's just an N_M thing.

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

Yikes

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

This does ping me though, especially if Herta flips red.

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

I don't think you can but it's worth a shot.

Vote: Herta

A long few moments later, Noraa finally reads the wall post -________-
Thank you Hiraki for making long ass posts that suck ass to read >:(
The lack of interaction with Golden and the noticeable kind of avoiding Golden but slightly agreeing with consensus with the "yikes" makes me think high partner equity. Scum bin for you, sir.

Anyone else read that wall post and think the same thing? Gotta confirm that I'm not going insane. But either way, I defo felt something was off there.
He ran in and shaded the biggest pusher of Golden, avoids quoting most of Goldens posts that look extremely bad and just sums it up saying he looked towny at one point and then went downhill. He seems to be pushing a "Golden is just badtown" perspective. Then he quotes one of Golden's posts at the very end and hidden in a bunch of quotes anyways and says "Yikes"
Feels like hardcore scum theater.

[Noraa]

Apologies for all the paragraphs but everyone please read them. I might legit solve the game on day 1. I've never done it successfully before but I'm feeling really hopeful about this solve atm.

[Noraa]

Is everyone ignoring 288? Is that a claim?

ooo I actually didn't see that post. dunno why it didn't show up in pedits but it doesn't matter and if its a claim, thats dumb. Aint no one did intent and he's not even at E-1.

[Noraa]

NM, do not end the day before I hear some more from everyone here.

[Noraa]

NM, I promise you at least half of the hammers. If anyone steals your hammers, I will yell at them the next day.

[Noraa]

So dont hammer until everyone is ok with you hammering and ending the day. We want to get the most out of day 1 as possible and I'm trying to fulfill my dream of solving a game day 1.

[Noraa]

Not even for the lovely noraabear?
*uses puppy eyes on nm*

[Noraa]

c'monnnnnnn nm

[Noraa]

vote: fuzzylogic

town: {zurel, noraa, geraint, tgp, shoshin}

Maybe the solve is straight up Rockhopper/Golden/Hiraki
WOW. no way. that'd be insane. Lemme wait a bit more and see if I can actually solve this day 1. Everyone can call me Queen Noraa in the future if I solve the game day 1

[Noraa]

gun to head solve : {hiraki, tayytay, Fuzzy}

you keep sheeping me

[Noraa]

Each one of your solves has at least one person that I'm sus of. You started out with Golden and then dropped him and did Hiraki :/

[Noraa]

Didn't you vote golden earlier?

[Noraa]

remembered wrong then.

[Noraa]

Nu uh. The solve is Hiraki/Golden/TBD

[Noraa]

Town bin now contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden, Hiraki, and Shelly welly

Now we're just missing one scum and the game's solved
Im being overly positive considering this solve might have some problems but eh, idc. Let a girl dream.

those townreads are a bit ??
what makes you confident in NM town at this point?
talk to me about fuzzy?
why is hiraki scum? hiraki seems pretty townie so far

did you read my posts or no?

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

Zurel/Not_Mafia/?

NM TL for this post.

vote: jackson virgo

Explain.

love your energy, noraa

Why do you scumread this, Nora?

a little bit of buddying doesn't get anyone a TR from me.

A list of towny to scummy:

Geraint
Jackson
Zurel
Nora
Rock
Herta
NM
Golden
Nepenthe
Fuzzy
Taylor

I'm probably wrong.

I should be at the top >:(

NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.

+townpoints. willing to town bin for this post specifically.

NM, why you so attentive to this game? That seems unusual for you.

This is NM being attentive? Oh, wow.

Oh you sweet summer child

BAHAHAHA. I agree with shoshin. NM is being quite talky this game
*pats NM on the back*
My spammy nature is contagious

Just for Nora

Just for Nora

This I would see as pocketing O_O
except I dont think scum pocket like this. They try to make it ... slicker.
I can town bin you for now.

Town bin now contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden and ofc shelly welly who always rolls scum(even in the games she mods)

Spoiler:

It is goddamn near impossible to read NM. I cannot and unless someone else here can, this is the first lim that we go to if we are PLing.

Yucky.

TGP started good but feels really fake in 49.

Post is too long so I snipped it for you but the gist of it is Golden gives like twenty billion people a town pass. That aint towny behavior if u ask me.

Really hate this though.

Golden is trying too hard to justify a NM lim today. NM lim on day 1 are 100% always just low content PLs that do nothing. I proposed the idea to see reactions as well as to suggest something in case the game stalled sometime today. I'm sitting on this wagon for the rest of today unless someone else does something terribly scummy.

??????????

I like Fuzzy's postings. Can't say why though (not a PR hint - just can't explain why).

Ah gotcha, in that case. Who is your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. If you do not have that many, say so and give it a shot whether that be from gut or from logic.

Weird ask - hoping it's for the right reason.

109 is bad but it's not scummy. Just not really good logic behind it - even on reads we agree upon.

Looking back. I think Taylors ISO so far is absolute garbage fire.

It's page 6.

You're not *that* new. hm. am I worried this is newbscum now? absolutely.

???

TGP wanted to PL me and is now getting wagoned for it, I guess you could call it, a paradox

who said you were unimaginative?

I like Rockhopper's postings.

I believe scum doesn't do that purposefully. Rather, he just tried to obvtown but rushed it a bit so it came out as extremely scummy.

I understand this but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

So it basically just says Jacko accused you of pocketing but NO you can accuse them back. But for some reason they are still town?
Then Rockhopper jumps out of nowhere and SRs someone and they are a TR for ??? reason?

Bad post.

this pings me
vote: Zurel

I have more equity on noraaa scum for this than Zurel scum. I see a newbie making this 'mistake' as scum but I see noraaa being able to draw Zurel out to make that mistake for a Day 2 or Day 3 conversation.

Okay so TGP is actually scum

How about this - if the wagon I choose today (probably not TGP) doesn't flip red, I will tunnel TGP tomorrow?

so to the people who think its both zurel and TGP, do you think zurel is bussing? zurel stated a scumread before the wagon formed, and imo created the momentum for the wagon going from a couple early votes to a proper wagon.

I noted this before when Rockhopper brought it up but I'd like to go in depth here.

It would make 100% sense for this to be the case but the reason why I don't think this happened was due to placement of reads and how hard Zurel went on those reads. If I'm trying to hide my buddy as a scumread, am I really doing it as my top number one scumread and then not committing to making sure that scumread is lynched? The problem I have with this buss theory is that it's a half-assed bus and I think I'd see a newbie going too hard rather than too soft (more experienced players do the opposite in what I like to think of a 'poker face' gambit because they realize what is at stake if they lose a partner. I don't think newbies have that same knowledge).

rockhopper is kinda the most obvscum atm, dunno why rockhopper is getting a pass for hopping on zurel. its sus too that rockhopper votes zurel who a bunch of people were shading when the wagon is on TGP.

I think you're reading a little too hard into the silence but I understand that's nothing I can convince you on.

Shoshin is explaining nothing and parked on Taylor for reasons?

VOTE: Shoshin

Yeah, this slot flips red.

You are going to help catch scum soon, right???I get having fun but part of the game is to follow your win con and you are not doing it if you are town.

Incorrect - N_M will continue to do this all game. He'll be helpful though.

FYI - TGP is effectively at L-1. N_M will hammer TGP once he gets to L-1 with or without claim. It's just an N_M thing.

hiii noraa would you like to reevaluate your read on me because you know i'm town :^(

Yikes

Herta, I think there are other better slots to go after for the time being.

This does ping me though, especially if Herta flips red.

@Mod: Can you confirm if scum have daytalk?

I don't think you can but it's worth a shot.

Vote: Herta

A long few moments later, Noraa finally reads the wall post -________-
Thank you Hiraki for making long ass posts that suck ass to read >:(
The lack of interaction with Golden and the noticeable kind of avoiding Golden but slightly agreeing with consensus with the "yikes" makes me think high partner equity. Scum bin for you, sir.

@Taylor. Ask specific questions.

[Noraa]

Why is Taylor town, Nora?

never said she was.

[Noraa]

Town bin contains: NM, fuzzy, and Shoshin
Scum bin contains: Golden, Hiraki, and Shelly welly

Enigma bin contains: everyone else

[Noraa]

noraa why don't you try imagining me as town
upon my townflip, what are your new reads

impossible. ur role pm doesn't ever change color.

[Noraa]

Shelly welly

shelly is... the mod.

mhm this is a 14 player mini with a 4 people scum team where one is confirmed scum by the mod, shelly welly. It's like an IC but for scums.

[Noraa]

I dont think golden ever flips town here. But if golden flips town, I look at who derailed the golden wagon/were hesitant. I'd start sussing Rockhopper. Hiraki is still in the scum pool regardless of Golden's flip. I'll start sussing Taylor as well.

[Noraa]

voted taylor because i scumlean her but mainly because of wagonomics
i think my wagon is scum driven, so the primary alternative to my wagon (taylor) is probably town driven and more likely to be scum

"scum driven"
you are currently shading your TR Noraa

[Noraa]

Why is Fuzzy town, Nora?

too bold to be scum.

[Noraa]

Wow TGP sure dropped his dedication to my policy elim awfully quickly

mhm. after it wasn't favored by anyone, he dropped it like it never existed.

[Noraa]

you're not driving my wagon

yes I am. I started it and I am the most confident in it. I've basically shoved this idea down everyone's throats because of my confidence in a red Golden

[Noraa]

i come back after a day away, i dont think anyone has any quotes of my post or any questions for me. i just see me added to the town pile by a bunch of people.

i don't understand this site. i play the same way and in some games i get hung up quick, others i get a pass...

i dont understand pressur eon taylor, but you all do you. i cant see me joining it any time soon

engage me. drop a readslist. I dont know why anyone's townbinning you either. You're a big question mark for me atm.

[Noraa]

Why are you so sure on Golden, Nora?

Theres a lot wrong with the play. Jumping on NM and trying that hard to justify it beyond "its a PL" is extremely scummy and imo a scumclaim in itself. Limming NM day 1 in any game is 100% a PL. There is no discussion on it. NM dying on day 1 cannot be explained as anything except a PL. Trying to justify a NM PL is super scummy. Town wouldn't see the point cuz town knows NM lim is a PL but scum on the other hand, will be like hmm I want to sound towny by having "not garbage" reasons. Except what most scums dont understand is that town often have garbage reasons.

Also handing town passes to multiple on legit like page 2 is absolute bullshit.

Handing them off of first posts is also stupid. First posts are always legit like one sentence. You could literally find a town game and copy paste your first line there. Like thats stupid :/

[Noraa]

Everything about golden is just wrong. This slot flips red. I am 99% certain of it.

[Noraa]

What's too bold? Specifics, please.

pocketing out in the open is too bold.

[Noraa]

Your degree of certainty on Golden doesn't square with your reasoning.

how so?

[Noraa]

What's too bold? Specifics, please.

pocketing out in the open is too bold.

Specifics, please. I want the post & language, and your analysis.

Just for Nora

This post I interpret as "pocketing". But its too simple and out there to be from scum. Scum would go great lengths to pocket but in more slick ways. Like for example : agreeing with some reads from time to time, laughing at a few jokes they make, etc. small things. This post read as pure, beautiful town

[Noraa]

How accurate are your reads, Nora?

I haven't had that much experience playing mafia. Some games my reads are shockingly accurate and then I .... die night 1/2. Some games my reads are bullshit and I live til endgame for those trash reads.

I'm feeling good about this game. I think it's going to be one of my shockingly accurate ones.

[Noraa]

I dont think golden ever flips town here. But if golden flips town, I look at who derailed the golden wagon/were hesitant. I'd start sussing Rockhopper. Hiraki is still in the scum pool regardless of Golden's flip. I'll start sussing Taylor as well.

Can you elaborate on this? Why would scum derail a wagon on town?

for the towncred.

[Noraa]

a little bit of buddying doesn't get anyone a TR from me.

How do you square this with your read on Fuzzy?

very different. Fuzzy is at least coming off towny in general. Rockhopper has been on like three different wagons. Their solves have changed like 4 times now. Thats not exactly towny or even null behavior

[Noraa]

You should not read too much into it.

dont care. I believe my read is correct.

[Noraa]

if you think TGP is scum why not vote for him???

1) if you are town, retract that SR on NM. He is 99% town here.
2) NM always wants the hammers.

[Noraa]

You've played with me before.

its ongoing so it doesn't count until it ends and we aren't supposed to talk about it.

[Noraa]

I just think that flip turns green rather than red.

if golden flips red, we are limming you immediately the next day no question.

[Noraa]

This is when I first realized that Noraaa doesn't know how to read N_M.

dont discredit my reads.

[Noraa]

I didn't, I almost lock-towned them which is honestly a terrifying thought.

TBF, it was day 1 and that game literally went at like 200 mph speed. It was so messy with all the TvTs that no one paid any attention to me LMFAO.

[Noraa]

newbtown energy

explain. ASAP.

[Noraa]

Did you just TMI the scum amount?

All mini normals have 3 scum. That not a rule?

[Noraa]

Infact, you should vote TGP

No, scum would have claimed PR. TGP is town

I almost always claim vt as scum bc of this train of thought so absolutely not. Jacko, ur partner equity with golden just went up.

also he claimed when
1) he wasn't at E-1
2) no one even declared intent

That's towny behavior?

NU UH

[Noraa]

It's a 12 player list dude

shelly is playing and she is mod confirmed scum.

[Noraa]

i would get mor einvolved in Day 1 with more comments, but i dont have any extra info than the votes in thread and until i see some people start placing some i really dont think make sense, i cannot really engage very well

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I agree with this post from hiraki

[Noraa]

like come on man - are you really going to come in here and try to act like there's NOTHING to talk about and you have nothing to do? not to mention whatever the above is trying to say about there not being a lot of votes? what?

This post however is overly aggressive and not something I except from Hiraki. He seems to be a more chillaxed dude that's just like "what up homie" vibes.

I think I'm willing to bet on Hiraki/Golden/Shelly being three members of the scum team. Now I just have one last scum to find and imma solve the game day 1 :O

[Noraa]

TGP did claim Vanilla Townie and they are obviously Town for it. What mafia would NOT claim PR if pushed to be yeeted D1

hmmm
Hiraki/Jacko/Golden/Shelly

it sounds quite plausible if u ask me.

[Noraa]

why are you so sure NM is town noraa?

I've answered this question a few times already. go find it u lazy potato -_______-
*flicks taytay on the forehead*
*feels bad and goes to get her a smol hello kitty bandaid*

[Noraa]

Not just that game.

wdym? ur an alt?

[Noraa]

Will you do that to everyone else that calls him town too? Or are you just this high on being right?

ur partner equity with golden has been high since ur first post...

[Noraa]

To throw my hat into this ring, it's not a guarantee.

Idc. I've never seen a mini normal with more or less than 3 scum so I'm just going to assume this game has 4 scum, 1 being shelly welly, the mod confirmed scum.

[Noraa]

He seems to be a more chillaxed dude that's just like "what up homie" vibes.

i am the same person who has been called out for writing too many walls but yeah im the chillaxed dude bro XD

Will you do that to everyone else that calls him town too? Or are you just this high on being right?

ur partner equity with golden has been high since ur first post...

Didn't answer the question, noted!

To throw my hat into this ring, it's not a guarantee.

Idc. I've never seen a mini normal with more or less than 3 scum so I'm just going to assume this game has 4 scum, 1 being shelly welly, the mod confirmed scum.

Yeah, it's becoming increasingly obvious that you don't care unless you're "right".

Not just that game.

quick correction here - i was playing with nono, not noraa in the game i mentioned. this is not true then

Nah, ur scum. This jokey attitude is less chill and reads as scum panicking like "shitshitshitshitshit lets play it off ~cool~"
ur the chill, cold, ice cube type of playstyle :/
This jokey stuff isn't you.

To answer the question, ur trying to say that I'm just going to SR anyone that defends my SR. Thats incorrect as plenty of people have defended him but there are certain scum tells that I am looking for and defending is not one of them.
Hiraki/Golden/Shelly/Jacko is still the current solve.

[Noraa]

who has defended TGP that you are currently not scumreading? and what have they done differently?

Jacko's defense of Golden is slimy because he says its because of that bullshit vt claim.
1) scum dont always claim pr precisely bc people think they always do(take me for example, I've claimed vt multiple times as scum)
2) he didn't claim at E-1 or with intent and any claims like that are super antitown

town knows that u never claim until intent bc claiming vt helps scum find the prs. claiming pr gives scum setup info AND u die that night to weaken town(sometimes but it depends)

[Noraa]

You didn't even defend Golden until you realized you could try to "fit in with the crowd" and attack me this way, Hiraki.

[Noraa]

Rockhopper is not in my solve and he defended Golden. I SR him slightly for his antitown behavior, hopping wagon to wagon, changing solve constantly with no explanation, etc

[Noraa]

you are playing in a game with N_M

did anyone do intent? it was legit like 5 pages into the game or something. No one declared intent. We were all trying to make sure to get more info.

[Noraa]

You didn't even defend Golden until you realized you could try to "fit in with the crowd" and attack me this way, Hiraki.

i'm not attacking you, do you feel threatened? clearly if i'm not talking about the elephant in the room but i'm talking about all of the reactions to said elephant, i am ignoring that elephant even though i am making it clear by not voting that person or not talking about that person that i think he will go away if he has the biggest wagon in the game

that's totally logical and totally a really smart move

2) he didn't claim at E-1 or with intent and any claims like that are super antitown

you are playing in a game with N_M - it is effectively E-1 when it is E-2. N_M even admitted this himself, stop repeating this like a parrot as if it's going to be true one day

Rockhopper is not in my solve and he defended Golden. I SR him slightly for his antitown behavior, hopping wagon to wagon, changing solve constantly with no explanation, etc

okay but he is a scumread and therefore everyone that has townreaded golden is a scumread - im glad that mentioning that he isn't in your solve (which is apparently perfect because you are godlike now) and just sprinkling in that he is a scumread didn't hint anything to you about what i was going for

you were just trying to say that I SR everyone that defends Golden. Sure, technically that is correct because the whole 2 people that have defended him, I'm am currently SLing or SRing. Now what was the purpose of this convo with you?
1) to make it seems like you are scum hunting and questioning which gives u +townpoints
and most importantly,
2) to discredit my reads

[Noraa]

U p transparent Hiraki.

[Noraa]

Im a bit over my head atm, I won't lie. A bit overly confident. But I mean eh :/
I think my game has developed a lot in the past few months and I'm feeling a huge surge of confidence in all my games atm. It's like I ate ten thousand candy bars. Anyways, I'm sticking with my read because you say you are "forcing me to look at them again" but you really have no valid points.

I'm like town doesn't and shouldn't claim before intent/E-1. Ur only reply is that with NM E-2 is E-1. I mean, so? Like, it was like 5 pages into the game and no one declared intent. I see no reason why a townie would find the need to claim right then, right there. You really dont have valid points. All ur doing is saying I have a big ego and am being overly confidence. sure that's right but I mean if you can't disprove any of my case and give me valid reasons to TR all of my SRs, my SRs are staying.

All you are doing is discrediting my reads by saying there's some flaws in the way I'm thinking. But you can't actually give me reasons to TR any of my SRs nor have you defended urself regarding my SR on you. All u do is say I'm being overconfident and brush it away like I'm being stupid.

If ur town, u go Noraa ur being stupid, look at "this post, this post, this post"
Your not looking at everything, etc, etc.

I dont think ur thinking from a town standpoint.

[Noraa]

Hiraki and Golden are basically lockscum atm fmpov.
Jacko is debatable. I hate that he TRs golden for a crappy vt claim but I am willing to go either way on this slot.

I want a Golden lim today. If it flips green, ok I will shut up and reassess the game state(I admit, I might be overly confident). If it flips red, it means that all this resistance towards me was scum knowing that I will take a town leader position once I push a scum to their death so, they are trying to discredit my reads because of their shockingly high accuracy.

[Noraa]

Hiraki, I'll drop you to a null for the time being because you are only scum based off of some preflip analysis and that is kind of crappy on my end. It'll all come back if golden flips red but I do think I need to drop it for now considering if golden flips green, that'll change a lot of things.

Hiraki, give me your read on Golden rn.

[Noraa]

Also um sorries for spamming the fuck out of this game ... my post count is like 3x the majority of everyone else's.
I been getting too excited trying to find the solve :/

[Noraa]

Did you read my games or play with me on another account, Nora?

Not that I know of. I only have one account. I have no alts, only hydras and my main(this one)

[Noraa]

srs on taylor, gerantium, herta

this is interesting but doesn't change my mind at all.

[Noraa]

I'm leaning heavily towards the former, mostly because I've heard noraa doesn't like scum as well as [redacted]

oh sorry, meant to add that she's clearly enjoying this game, so i still townread her although she's incredibly misguided.

Dont use an ongoing Golden. You know nothing about my meta and using something weak like that to give me a TR is not acceptable.

[Noraa]

choosing a random townie and death tunneling them looks like something you do in FAR too many games.

more shade. I dont think ur town and I want you to be the day 1 lim.

[Noraa]

i just came from a game where everyone was convnced there must be 4 because town were winnign so easily

The closest I've seen to greater than/less than 3 scum was a game that just ended where there were 3 mafia except one was a traitor.

[Noraa]

TGP is basically conf scum, this day is already like 17 pages too long

I appreciate you.

I'm leaning heavily towards the former, mostly because I've heard noraa doesn't like scum as well as [redacted]

oh sorry, meant to add that she's clearly enjoying this game, so i still townread her although she's incredibly misguided.

Dont use an ongoing Golden. You know nothing about my meta and using something weak like that to give me a TR is not acceptable.

don't use an ongoing game to... inform my reads? what?

Dont use an ongoing game for anything. I've made super vague references to ongoings and gotten warnings for it. As long as someone reports it, u get a warning.

[Noraa]

I am starting to think that Noraa is tunneling and quite stuck in there. She is reading scum anyone who goes against her, but I don't think Jackson is scum. Just looking at the vote placement, if Jackson was scum, why would Jackson vote me when there are many other wagons they could push and get a town eliminated?

At the risk of getting her scumread, I VOTE: Unvote: TGP

Hello! You have fallen into Hiraki's trap then :/

[Noraa]

VOTE: FuzzyLogic

That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.

This is such a bad vote LOL.

[Noraa]

This is a vote i don't like.

There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).

This has gotten my notice

I dont have the exact same reasoning but I didn't like this vote either. Geraint, join me on Golden and end this day. This game is dead and stalling anyways.
Theres only two outcomes:
Golden flips red.
This means I was not in fact tunneling for no reason.
Golden flips green.
This means I was stuck on something for no good reason and I will reassess immediately tomorrow and be much more open to new opinions.

Either outcome is good for town.

[Noraa]

Dont use an ongoing game for anything. I've made super vague references to ongoings and gotten warnings for it. As long as someone reports it, u get a warning.

if you're suggesting something that I did breaks site rules, then please report my post/message the game mod/contact the listmods in the appropriate manner. stop passively aggressively suggesting in thread that i'm breaking site rules. thanks.

I have never reported someone and dont plan to.

[Noraa]

Right now there are no better options. Look at the suggestions : Taylor, Rockhopper, Zurel, Fuzzy

Basically just a huge group of lurkers. Those are compromise wagon material. Golden is the best lim today. Nothing is happening here. Let's just end the day rn.

People that have even just a SL on golden, vote with me.
VOTE: GOLDEN

[Noraa]

If Zurel comes back and then geraint hops on, nm hammers.

[Noraa]

mislims are not, in fact, good for town. furthermore, you CONSISTENTLY tunnel town, so consistently, over and over again, you are wrong, and consistently, you still KEEP DOING THIS.

Can you not shade me based on my literal like three newbie games?

[Noraa]

and i feel like this is generally a strange take

Taylor's right. That wasn't what I meant. It was just that all of these are low posters/LHF/easy people to wagon and therefore compromise wagons.

[Noraa]

I know you will not answer but is your thought process in the fact that the wagon stalled?

The more resistance, the more likely it's scum.

[Noraa]

?

good point. I didn't notice this part of the sentence. I only skimmed and saw an unvote. Thats quite some shade on me :/

[Noraa]

uh. what?

You said I "consistently tunnel town"
fine. explain what that's supposed to mean.
I thought it was meta and you were saying I always tunnel town in my other games.

[Noraa]

maybe... you should stop assuming everything is a personal attack on you jesus

shade is not a personal attack :/

[Noraa]

redados here, battle mage here

LOLZERS. I hope you realize that when I was tunneling Redados, I was scum so that really doesn't count.
BM. That was a game that I repped in and one of my few town games at the time after I had literally rolled scum like 4 times in a row or something :/
The only two games you can mention are 1) a rep in and 2) a scum game??????

[Noraa]

you... definitely did not replace into random facts. what?

Thought you were talking about Haunted Village(which I did rep in and tunnel BM)

Ok in random facts, I tunneled BM but as stated in the mod pt, I submitted a vig shot on Datisi day 1 but I had the modifier "novice" so I wasn't allowed to shoot day 1.

[Noraa]

there are exactly seven vanity wagons this is ridiculous

lmao did u just tell me there are 7 vanities?
that's dumb. there's no way all of them are town so I wouldn't be so quick to call them vanities
u trying too hard to seem town :/

[Noraa]

Golden, what's the difference between your town & scum play?

if i may, as town golden is probably out there trying to find the scum and kill them, while as scum golden is trying not to get killed and instead convince townies to kill each other.

Taytay is correct. The reaction to my tunneling is half the reason why I'm so convinced he is scum. ik it might seem like I was dead set right off the bat but no, when I first start tunneling, there is room for change.

Ah, beautiful. Thanks. Throws out that theory then.

This was a pretty absurd theory to hold. Feels like you're trying too hard to justify a Herta lynch. To help get some non-biased thoughts, can you assume for just a second that Herta's town -- who do you suspect in that case?

hm this is weird. you never had this convo with me and I'm tunneling and you dont support the golden wagon.
So, you dont support golden wagon but you dont ask me to assume he's town.
is it possibly because you think it'll look sus when he flips red because you KNOW he will?
Or is it that Herta is ur partner?

wavering on the TR here. Im retracting the TR. UR null. We can go from there.

im baffled. I commented on a bad vote by zurel, and you use that as a means of trying to to get me to vote for Golden?

You had a similar view as mine on something. is it weird I assume you might join my thought process somewhere else?

Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic

Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.

??????????????????

[Noraa]

noraa please stop making a boatload of assumptions

im p sure u flip red atm so all of this should be correct. if you really do pull a green pm out of thin air, I will be really weirded out and I will be reassessing.

Golden, if ur town, u should be making a last reads list for us. Not try so hard to escape the rope.

[Noraa]

yes, that is weird

nvm ur already on Golden LOL I'm blind

[Noraa]

something like half the players in this game are townreading me, so no.

We'll see about it.

[Noraa]

letting myself be limmed is killing an IC fmpov, so yeah, i really should be trying not to get limmed. this is a terrible post and makes me question my tr on noraa.

ver scummy

[Noraa]

if golden flips red like I think he will anytime this game, NM will be locktown fmpov.

[Noraa]

Scum bin: Golden, Hiraki, Shelly
Null bin: geraint, Taylor, Shoshin, Herta, Jacko, Rockhopper
Town bin: Fuzzy, NM, Zurel

If golden flips scum, the team is Golden/Hiraki/Shelly Welly/mystery person
Myster person is most likely in : {Jacko, Shoshin, Taylor} <- subject to change. its a gun to head pool that I threw out there.

So, I'll explain a bit about the changes.
Shoshin recently had some things that pinged scum a bit to me. It has brought to my attention the following pairings: Golden/Shoshin and Herta/Shoshin
So, Shoshin goes from TR to null.

NM town bin I never really explained, I realized. It's just that I agree with almost everything he says and I'm p confident in a red golden flip and if golden flips red, he has had the closest thought process to my own this entire time and has supported it a shit ton. Scum would support it and then maybe "get distracted" half way thru and switch off.

Zurel is pretty meh but I dont sense any scummy vibes at all which could be a red flag but I'm willing to town bin for now.

If Golden ever flips green, all my reads reset and I reread this entire game. If golden is green, something went really wrong somewhere and I will figure out what it was that went south.

[Noraa]

Currently, I dont believe golden EVER flips green here.

[Noraa]

that their vote was scummy.

yeah but they are a noob. by noob standards, that is nothing.

[Noraa]

I asked you exactly this. You resisted answering.

was different imo.

[Noraa]

Nora, I'd like an answer to Golden's question. Who are the scum if Golden flips town?

This was the post, Nora.

no, it was different. Here with Herta you are saying "assume herta is town now what"
with golden, you were like "if he flips green, then what"

[Noraa]

I think your views on the game are profoundly misguided, Nora.

it's possible. I admit, I'm overconfident. I do currently still believe golden is in fact, scum. Idk how I'm gonna get this point across bc no one really wants to listen :/

[Noraa]

put your energies there.

I am really tunneled and I honestly will not literally function until one of my SRs dies and I have something to work off of. I've made so many reads surrounding the people I suspect and I need a flip to either reassess or get validation.

[Noraa]

I won't compromise on anyone outside of {Golden, Hiraki} unless someone is being super duper scummy which so far, no one has.

[Noraa]

Your reasons for scumreading Golden aren't compelling, Nora. I'm happy to explain why when I'm not busy or on my phone & can go more into depth.

which reasons for which wagons are more compelling than my reasons my the golden wagon?
You can tell me why they aren't compelling but first, tell me what reasons for what wagon are and why.

[Noraa]

What's scummy about Hiraki, Nora?

I remember you said one of his votes was scummy, no?
his dodgy, scummy replies in my convo with him. His entire vibe changed and became noticeably more relaxed.

[Noraa]

the fact that Taylor's voting Golden without reasons to do so, and process of elimination (everyone else is townier).

This is more compelling than the literal 50 posts that I've made on Golden?

[Noraa]

which reasons for which wagons are more compelling than my reasons my the golden wagon?
You can tell me why they aren't compelling but first, tell me what reasons for what wagon are and why.

I asked you a question. Can you answer instead of ask me a question and ask me to join a wagon that you like?

[Noraa]

Refer me to the specific language you find scummy.

Him saying XD is a huge red flag if u ask me. His play style is super serious. If u briefly metadive him, you'll find he's super serious when town and I kind of imagine him with a very serious poker face.

[Noraa]

That's not scummy, Nora.

there was scummy stuff. I'm just too lazy to cut all those hella long quote walls. Ok wait a moment. I'll cut them out.

[Noraa]

Ok so Hiraki's entrance post completely shades me. Post 279
It's filled with shade on me but then he quickly transitions to a TR on me after he realizes that is consensus. It's really interesting how that "SR(cuz it was never finalized, he just shaded and never announced an SR at all)" never gets explained but just gets flushed down the toilet.

Post 284
he then pushes Zurel. Keep in mind this is around the same time I started picking at Zurel to see if there was anything fishy there.

His whole "case" on Herta is really bad. It's basically nonexistent imo but I mean, if I was being nice, I'd still say its really bad.

Shades Fuzzy, Herta, Geraint, and me in 386

Shades my entire case on Golden in basically the rest of his posts. He calls me town but then discredits all my reads thru shading. This is optimal scum play. Think about it. It makes everyone ignore my opinions and just toss me to the side.

[Noraa]

If we're just talking scummy things, he's shading more than he's solving. Same with Golden.

[Noraa]

You thought it enough that I should follow you onto another vote.

this is misrep. that was not what I said.

[Noraa]

Fine, Shoshin. I will unvote for now, but FOS still on TGP.

UNVOTE: TGP

weren't you already off golden?

[Noraa]

Nora, please vote for Herta over Golden. If not, please explain why you stopped scum reading Herta. What did Herta do that changed your read?

I never SRed Herta

[Noraa]

my peasants

:O how rude!!!!!

[Noraa]

I have one game with Noraa as town and she ended up being right. That just ended so I imagine that lends to her confidence. Is that fair Noraa?

I can take it. I did nail scum dead to the ground on page 5 of the game and its part of the reason I'm overflowing with confidence.

I'd like to yeet Hiraki just because his take on me is so bad but I think if this goes to elo, he could be valuable and I don't sr him at this point just for being wrong.

I would push for a rockhopper yeet today if it wasn't so late. I haven't seen town there just a bunch of jumping from wagon to wagon.

Geraintm and NM will prolly shake out in the next couple of days one way or the other.

Noaraa is likely town, but dunno. JV too.

spell my name right.
Join my on golden and I'll join you on Hiraki tomorrow.

Because I'm rereading the game with an open mind, meaning I have no reads atm.

??? you have no reads? but youre voting and have said several people are scummy.

+1

You have one main wagon that hasn't dissipated from beginning to end. That's scum indicative. Two counters that aren't gaining steam. If scum were trying to depressure the main wagon they would not form two competing wagons, just one.

I have pushed this wagon so hard but its not going thru. It has stalled for days now. Scums are hard at work, herta.

Gun to head solve atm is Rockhopper/Golden/Herta

You did, Nora.

lol that was a filler slot that I randomly picked. its gun to head on like page 10. what do u expect?

Fine, Shoshin. I will unvote for now, but FOS still on TGP.

UNVOTE: TGP

weren't you already off golden?

I feel like no one is reading the game (except Shoshin) and that hurts.

ok scuse me. I hadn't read up yet at the time. Considering I've been talking the most and keeping up with everything prior to this, this is a bit rude.

[Noraa]

Noraa

why do I have no explanation

[Noraa]

I don't like Noraa's discrediting and shading of those that disagree with them as well as their super confident tunnel on TGP. Zurel's constant pocketing of me I don't like either, especially when they are super aware that it may be seen as if they are which isn't a townie mindset also them trying to sway me onto a top wagon is scummy.

Are Jacko's reads normally this bad as town? That hyper focusing on me is super interesting. It's obvious he read up but then he doesn't even address anything from anyone else. Just points out stuff in my posts.

[Noraa]

This is very stupid. Golden wagon does nothing but die down and town doesn't realize this means golden is scum?

Think about it. Im being super confident and over the top. If I'm pushing a town wagon at 200 mph, there's no way scum doesn't help me. 1) its a mislim 2) it wasn't their fault 3) from then on my reads are discredited

[Noraa]

The only reason it died down is because
1) im right
2) they dont wanna lose a buddy day 1
3) they know town will listen to me much more once golden flips red

[Noraa]

The only reason it died down is because
1) im right
2) they dont wanna lose a buddy day 1
3) they know town will listen to me much more once golden flips red

This is confirmation bias, Nora.

yeah it is. I won't lie. it defo is.

It's possible that Golden's scum with Herta, btw. Don't rule this possibility out, Nora. From your pov, why not consider lynching Golden's partners today, given the clear resistance to lynching Golden today?

I dont think partner is herta. Atm I am leaning Golden/Hiraki/Jacko

[Noraa]

I have a problem with Herta. I've played with him once and I never SRed him(and he was scum). Like ... I said I did but I never really did. Im bad at sorting his play style for some reason.

[Noraa]

I mean, no. Deadline isn't even that close and I'm not interested in sheeping a read I disagree with.

I've told u why golden is scum and all u say is "ur reasons are bad"

I'm not about to just let you lead me around. You are not obvtown and I consider you a slight scum lean atm.

[Noraa]

Why are you scum reading Hiraki, Nora?

can you not ask questions that other people have already asked? you either talk to me about my response to this question previously or you dont talk to me about it at all.

[Noraa]

Sorry I forgot and am too lazy to go look. Zurel who are you voting?

[Noraa]

TGP is still super scummy, zurel still reads as super robotic newb scum to me.

I would put that in my sig if I were scum. Not only robotic, but

super

robotic.

ur technically not allowed to do that until the game ends regardless of ur alignment.

[Noraa]

Herta. I think Hiraki vs Herta can't be TvT.

Why can it not be TvT?
Do you still think golden is scummy?

[Noraa]

It was sarcasm.

its also against site rules unfortunately.

[Noraa]

being noraa should be against the site rules.

how dare you!
*throws a newspaper at taytay*

[Noraa]

I'm putting aside TGP for today, Noraa. Already stated it in my last read list.

is that so?

[Noraa]

its because youre too cute!

*retracts newspaper*
why ty

[Noraa]

Herta, claim. You are at L-2 and NM *drags NM over* is present so this is a differently structured game.

[Noraa]

N_M, nora, Golden Paradox, what are your reads?

2 of those ISOs should be fairly easy to read and u should go read them urself. As for my reads, skimming my ISO should give you an idea of what's going on.

[Noraa]

2 of those ISOs should be fairly easy to read

I acknowledge mine are hard to read here...