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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:08 pm

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In post 42, geraintm wrote:
In post 5, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Geraint

May as well get this over with now
should I be on my own wagon too? I feel I should be...

anyways, it is the 12th today....
In post 55, geraintm wrote:
In post 54, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 53, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the day
obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparking
VOTE: the golden paradox
my first post was 42
I said 12th
I quoted the 12th post after mine and voted for them.
go and look at all my other games and how I random vote.
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:10 pm

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thats bordering on provable randomness.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:10 pm

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In post 718, Shoshin wrote:
In post 704, geraintm wrote:
In post 581, Shoshin wrote:Geraint, why do you town read Fuzzy?
do I?
The following posts are clear evidence that Geraint believes Fuzzy is town:
In post 476, geraintm wrote:
In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic

That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.
This is a vote i don't like.

There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).

This has gotten my notice
In post 521, geraintm wrote:
In post 520, Hiraki wrote:
Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic


Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.
Due to time? What, 3 days to lynch?

This feels like scum needing their vote to be more likely to generate a lynch than their current one
Geraint attacks two people for voting Fuzzy. This isn't something you do unless you town read Fuzzy.

The fact that Geraint now doesn't have a town read on Fuzzy is very concerning.
if you look how I play, I comment on votes. and this is what I am doing here. the target of the vote isn't (to me) as important as how the person justified the vote.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm

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And to think I town read Geraint for 55 & 56...

Herta/Geraint seems like a plausible team. Partner could be any of Fuzzy/Jackson/Taylor/Golden.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm

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Anyway, the Herta lynch is basically done. It's eventually going to be me, Zurel, Hiraki, Taylor, Nora, Rock, and NM. I don't believe Nora's a viable counter-wagon, it just speeds up her vote on Herta.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:15 pm

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hmm i could see how im scum with gerain, but i dont see how i could be scum with herta here.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:15 pm

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Shoshin, do you still read TGP as scum? Although you're against their wagon?
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:16 pm

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In post 730, Tayl0r Swift wrote:hmm i could see how im scum with gerain, but i dont see how i could be scum with herta here.
Prior to your vote on Herta, I thought you & Herta were the most likely team. I agree that you're less scummy based on continued engagement with the game & the way your reads have evolved. I also liked your catch on Golden earlier. I just can't rule you out yet.
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:18 pm

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In post 731, Zurel wrote:Shoshin, do you still read TGP as scum? Although you're against their wagon?
I never read Golden as scum scum.
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:21 pm

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In post 726, Tayl0r Swift wrote:thats bordering on provable randomness.
? I am not sure what the issue is. I need a way to come up with a random vote to start the game. I pick a number, and then let the thread work out who my first random vote should be.
is that bad? I suppose someone who knows my early posts could spot this and stalk the thread, waiting to post to become my random vote.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:23 pm

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In post 476, geraintm wrote:
In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic

That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.
This is a vote i don't like.

There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).

This has gotten my notice
In post 521, geraintm wrote:
In post 520, Hiraki wrote:
Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic


Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.
Due to time? What, 3 days to lynch?

This feels like scum needing their vote to be more likely to generate a lynch than their current one
Can you elaborate your logic? What's scummy about voting Fuzzy over Golden?
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:25 pm

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JacksonVirgo has requested replacement, please do not discuss this.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:25 pm

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In post 548, Tayl0r Swift wrote:who wants a noraa wagon?
In post 550, geraintm wrote:
In post 545, Noraa wrote:Zurel is pretty meh but I dont sense any scummy vibes at all which could be a red flag but I'm willing to town bin for now.
Bull. You have posted how my view on them and yours were the same, that their vote was scummy.
I want to VOTE: noraa[《/v]
An interesting sequence here.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:26 pm

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I'm down to lynch Jackson because (a) he's scum, and (b) we save the mod the trouble of replacing.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:28 pm

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I really don't think he's scum...
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:30 pm

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Okay, let's wait for replacement. That'll help clear things up.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:31 pm

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@shelly -- I'd like to request an extension to the day because of late need for replacement as deadline approaches.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:36 pm

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Considering circumstances, deadline has been frozen at 1 day, 13 hours until I find a replacement for JacksonVirgo.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:37 pm

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In post 737, Shoshin wrote:
In post 548, Tayl0r Swift wrote:who wants a noraa wagon?
In post 550, geraintm wrote:
In post 545, Noraa wrote:Zurel is pretty meh but I dont sense any scummy vibes at all which could be a red flag but I'm willing to town bin for now.
Bull. You have posted how my view on them and yours were the same, that their vote was scummy.
I want to VOTE: noraa[《/v]
An interesting sequence here.
#taylor's post had nothing to do with mine. mine was at the end of a series of posts with them, there was clear progression in my posts
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:39 pm

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In post 735, Shoshin wrote:
In post 476, geraintm wrote:
In post 475, Zurel wrote:VOTE: FuzzyLogic

That's the best wagon I can see right now. Everyone else is either my town lean or I can't yet understand why they're voted.
This is a vote i don't like.

There was a washy unvote, and then soon after they decide to join a new wagon with zero reasoning. I scrolled through their ISO and couldn't spot any recent mention of fuzzy logic (who I really hope is named after the SFA album).

This has gotten my notice
In post 521, geraintm wrote:
In post 520, Hiraki wrote:
Unvote, Vote: TheFuzzylogic


Actually, due to time, I'm okay with switching.
Due to time? What, 3 days to lynch?

This feels like scum needing their vote to be more likely to generate a lynch than their current one
Can you elaborate your logic? What's scummy about voting Fuzzy over Golden?
nope, no elaboration coming. my thinking is in those posts.
I just said I think you ask pointless questions of people, and you do it again. if you like that style of posting, you do you but I will advise it won't help your interactions with me
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:30 am

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In post 678, JacksonVirgo wrote:Shelly welly really be mad.

That wasn't even enough for a prodge.

Not_Mafia is acting anti-town. Thar she blows I'm gucci now
No I’m not
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:37 am

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I TR Jackson's early postings so I'm not okay lynching him in his current state.

Unvote, Vote: Herta

This is E-2.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:43 am

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Official Vote Count 1.13
With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to launch.

TheGoldenParadox
(2) Noraa, Not_Mafia
Shoshin
(1): Herta
TheFuzzylogic99
(1): Rockhopper
Herta
(5): Shoshin, TheGoldenParadox, Zurel, Tayl0r Swift, Hiraki
(L-2)

Noraa
(2): JacksonVirgo, geraintm

Not Voting
(1): TheFuzzylogic99.

Deadline:
1 day, 13 hours, 0 minutes.


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Deadline frozen at 1 day 13 hours until I find the replacement.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:13 am

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In post 654, Shoshin wrote:Now, Herta.

1. Herta's first substantive post () is calling Gertaint out for "OMGUS." That's typical scum play, throwing out some buzz words without actually analyzing the situation. If you look closer, it was fairly evident that Geraint's vote wasn't OMGUS, it was a surprisingly substantive vote.
You said it yoiurself, it was a surprisingly substantive vote. When told it wasn't omgus, I asked why. It was far from "fairly evident" that geraintm wasn't omgussing.
Spoiler:
In post 114, Herta wrote:
In post 92, geraintm wrote:
In post 66, Herta wrote:
In post 55, geraintm wrote:
In post 54, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 53, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 49, TheGoldenParadox wrote:nm is also looking mildly scummy + i have a lot of townreads so nm is my vote today
dislike this if you follow through and actually votepark/stop trying to solve other slots for the rest of the day
obviously i'm trying to solve other slots i don't do voteparking
VOTE: the golden paradox
Why you omgus my liege?
I didn't :wink:
I think I caught that you were on him for saying you v Zurel were SvS theatre. Was there more to it?

2. Herta's second substantive post in the game () is asking me whether my vote is RVS. It's fairly clear to anyone who was reading that we were past RVS, so I'm not sure why he'd go there. As scum, Herta's focusing on things that don't require deep analysis (i.e. the lack of reasons attached to my vote). It's very easy for scum to look at a naked vote & question it. It's also evidence that Herta isn't putting much thought into the game, just grabbing easy things to comment on.
Your only two posts before that were two votes with no context, no reasoning, nothing. What else is anyone supposed to think? And it took you being called out to explain why you were voting Taylor:

Spoiler:
In post 20, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: not mafia
In post 62, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Taylor
In post 115, Herta wrote:
In post 68, Herta wrote:
In post 62, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Taylor

RVS yes?
In post 70, Shoshin wrote:More votes on Taylor!
In post 89, Rockhopper wrote:
In post 70, Shoshin wrote:More votes on Taylor!
why taylor?
Still wondering about this. Looks more and more like not rvs but ???

3. Where are Herta's early reads? He votes me, & then says a bunch of nothing about everyone else. In . he wants to keep Zurel from town reading Taylor too easily while also keeping Zurel from scum reading Fuzzy. Why? It doesn't square with Herta's defense of Taylor by attacking me. There's a lack of internal consistency to Herta's posting, and worse, no substantive commitment to any actual reads, just questioning other people's reads. This is how scum tends to play early game -- commenting on other people's reads, sewing doubt, but not actually taking positions of their own.
I don't give full reads lists early in the game; in fact I get suspicious of people who do. I had a couple of inklings:

Spoiler:
In post 117, Herta wrote:
In post 111, Zurel wrote:It can't be this easy, but

VOTE: GoldenParadox

This may lead us somewhere.
This shows playing for the good guys - looking to see what happens on wagons. Likely town?
In post 119, Herta wrote:Jackson's posting style is breezy but thoughtful. Leaning town there.

4. There's not much more to Herta's substantive posting beyond the above. Herta's been inactive during the important parts of this game. He's said nothing helpful or useful. When he finally posted again, he virtually ignored the main wagons, other than to say he didn't want to join them. He hasn't offered any substantive thoughts about most of the game's posts. He seems emotionally disconnected, unable to get involved. Scum tend to become emotionally disconnected from games where the town is doing all the work for them -- when town are voting each other -- and scum doesn't need to get involved or manipulate townies. As I've already suggested, I believe Nora's obsession with Golden is misguided, and it's likely causing scum to let town implode on itself instead of actively manipulating. This points most strongly towards Herta as scum.
Yes, I was inactive for a couple of days at the end of last week due to life, and in fact I was prodded. You saw my post about it being Sunday and I needed to catch up. It sounds like you've been delving into the wiki again coming up with this emotionally disconnected garbage being scum indicative. And manipulate townies? Why would I do that?

If you're town, you need to rethink your points again because your argument is actually pretty bad.

The good thing about this is the TGP wagon finally found a spark somewhere else and a viable counter took off pdq. That should say something. Turbo wagons don't happen in a vacuum. There's at least 1 or 2 red on my wagon rn.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:15 am

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And the shade on geraintm is unnecessary as well. I'm not sure where you're coming from Shoshin, but it's misguided. I'm agreeing with geraintm that what I earlier thought were solving questions are jsut throw it up against the wall and see what sticks.
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