Chemist1422 - shellyc PT

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You're the only one for me, shelly. I didn't want to say this in-thread but I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes, thank you for taking me. What kind of dances are you into?

Also, I'm genuinely shocked Pooky flipped scum. I thought the way he was acting towards me was really town-indicative from meta...

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Tayl0r has gotta be town, yeah. A S-S pairing is fine there, better than leaving him to the vultures.

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You're the only one for me, shelly. I didn't want to say this in-thread but I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes, thank you for taking me. What kind of dances are you into?

Also, I'm genuinely shocked Pooky flipped scum. I thought the way he was acting towards me was really town-indicative from meta...

The last time I saw pooky!scum, he treated scumpartner!ydrasse similarly. in Boardgames Mini Normal, me lazy to link it.

I'm afraid...

Nice!

And fair, we can just ruminate and mindmeld instead, that also works

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I'll out all of my dumb paranoia reads here, the one on the top off my head was luez:

don't tell anyone in-thread because decency or whatever, I don't like publicly alt outing, but he's obviously Menalque. Mene is very charismatic and charming as scum, he intentionally plays it up more and is good at it. I'm seeing that here. This is also a slight ego thing so I would never say it in-thread unless I was sure of it, but it felt like he making special care to try and pocket me early on, probably because I ALWAYS snipe and know his alts, so he knows that I know his scumrange, so I'm a higher priority to plactate. That's more of a paranoia thing though.

ALSO, he proposed to Ydrasse who i'm sure we'll both agree is very good at obvtowning as town, especially with how polarising her scummeta is in recent times. If he's scum, she's a prime dance partner, so I can see the early proposal being a planned thing, maybe.

Anyway, gonna read more and collect my thoughts when I have time in a day or two

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I'm now kinda townreading dunn? feels very inquisitive and proactive re: pushing DGB/DD, which I also agree with, by the Grand Process of Elimination.

meh, Dunny is very good at looking inquisitive as scum when he wants to be. unsure there, he's definitely still in his scumrange. will give him a closer look later

Agree on pushing DGB/DD though

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Nope lol, but I like calling him Oogle Boogle

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That's fine, I don't really mind

I like hoods too. I sometimes get iffy about revealing all my honest thoughts, even though I'm town. It might be weird to filter yourself as town, but I feel like appearing town as town is as important as appearing town as scum

ANYWAY, I'm not trying to pocket you, I do just feel more comfortable in PTs as well. I'm gonna read back on the way you treated Pooky and that whole thing later to hopefully put you down as town

Okay, I should really close the site. Farewell

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I can't remember a single post MariaR has made

adieu

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I get why Oka wanted to pair me with Isis because he was afraid I'd suicide tbh. Last he played with me, I spent an entire large game trolling and posting jokes (as town). It was under Hoctac which was like my extreme gimmick account though.

Dunny trying to link me with DGB annoys me.

Self-reminder for when I return to thread with more time:
post about that/anti-spew self meta.
Also reminder to post about Pooky/I Isis suicidal scum strat

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So I'm back at where I started today ugh - a PoE of Oka/FB or Maria/Bulge or DGB/DD

Yeah, those 3 pairs are bottom for me too off the top of my head

Also, I should mention that I think beeboy is incredibly obvtown, but don't want to say that in-thread, since scum will have less incentive to leave him alive for the WIFOM strats. I read back on you gunning for Tayl0r to leave Pooky behind, and feel a lot better about you being, so I'm cool with saying this here.

He's obvtown because scum!beeboy lacks the motivation and WIM that town!beeboy has, by a long shot. See the recent Undertale game for evidence. If he's scum, he's submitting himself to a game of agony in everyone doubting the WIFOM for him/Isis being left alive, and him havin to constantly convince Isis in their PT.

There's also the thing where Isis has a VERY high impression of town!beeboy's work in PTs. Check his game as Hayasaka in Purgatory. It's incredibly obvtown and pages of walls and effort. Being partnered with Isis means she'd have a certain expectation that another dance partner might not.

Also, he really, really wanted to pair with her. He wasn't just asking for the towncred, he pitched it and tried to convince her until she gave in.

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Basically yeah

More things to not forget:
-Ydrasse town because of reaction to Pooky flipping scum
-Bell town because Pooky was trying to set up him to be left behind at certain points

Hope you don't mind me using this as a notes PT. I'll probably paraphatse stuff over to the main thread with a bit of elaboration when I can

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Isis is a little controversial, but I like the rest of that block

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I mean, it's technically possible that Pooky/Bell were both scum in F3, but it's just really suboptimal play for them to be so lax about proposing to partners for both of them to make it there. Pooky wanted to dance with Isis which I get, but scum!Bell probably would've proposed to someone other than Tayl0r earlier who wasn't thaaat likely to accept.

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He did try to propose to Firebringer actually, but didn't bother to correct the bold

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I think Pooky gets really defeatist as scum, it's a tactic probably like you mentioned.

What other measures could scum have made to get him a dance partner, outside of S-S pairs?

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You should vote conspiracy, shelly

I hope you're gonna play in this upcoming marathon weekend btw. I'm already really looking forward to more conspiracy, I love how paranoid you were in that

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Do you actually think there's been a healthy dose of paranoia from me here? I've mostly just been assuming you're town

Sidenote though: I think PTs are more pleasant when they're not used as a form of ~interrogation~, but as a way to discuss reads to form a better opinion on the other person's alignment

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Next one is on the 26th, it's gonna be gooooood

I want to mod some with slight alterations and spins on them

And yes, this was a conspiracy, your paranoia's won out this time

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Do you actually think there's been a healthy dose of paranoia from me here? I've mostly just been assuming you're town

Sidenote though: I think PTs are more pleasant when they're not used as a form of ~interrogation~, but as a way to discuss reads to form a better opinion on the other person's alignment

"ANYWAY, I'm not trying to pocket you"

its not like you tried to directly buddy me or what

did Noraa's curlies affect you?

and yes, the scum PT is used for discussing reads

I can roll with that, though I've got a decent picture of you here

Okay, okay, sure

Noraa's basically a Paragon in the making so wouldn't be surprised if she's rubbed off on me. I generally shift between ~s, *s, and CAPS

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Haven't reached that point, still catching up overall

Bell is in a lot of games for him and had job interviews recently, so it's hard to tell how much of it is just overgaming

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huh, there's a pretty hefty wagon on Ydrasse/luez here, isn't there

this should be interesting

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Fire, Fire, Fire...

I generally have an "unsure" read on him. I just know he can power solve and have very accurate reads as town, which has been lacking so far.

I'll give him a more proper ISO when I'm caught up with the thread

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Yeah, Fire plays more like this as scum. Less WIM and motivation, while town!him can be a monster.

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deluez (hi mena!) did you want to have a conversation with me, I noted that from my skim

Brutal... did he claim Mene in-thread? I don't think he has.

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Ah, whoops

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Oh yeah, I know of that Normal game. You know, I just saw the final 5 for that and just knew Menalque was scum from the basis of him being UTR and still alive. Tragic how much people ignore NKA. Well played there though.

I guess leuz going for another pocket Ydrasse play is really bold if he's scum? and maybe kinda mean as well. I do just want to say that pairing is T/T

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Fire is more jokey and fun as town, and also just more proactive in solving

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I'm a little worried by Ydrasse's lack of solvely wall posts that spew her as town - you know the type, we saw plenty of them in that Datisi/IV scum game, but i think she's just been less active recently across the site

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Mhm, I still like my reasons for the tone in her early posting + reaction to seeing Pooky flip scum. That would just solidify the read

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it's a little alarming that leuz reads both of us as null-scum

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That's exactly it, yeah. His reasoning feels tinfoily in a bad way, like it's just a really weird reason to justify a scumlean.

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(scumleans)

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You can tell me if you're scum btw. I'm fully pocketed, so I'll be happy to willingly play as 5th Impostor if you just come clean. Transparency is good when dancing

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leuz is really annoying me but I don't think he's really even viable anymore, and I'm unsure how much of the annoyance means he's actually scum.

I'm not sure why they're all so convinced you're scummy. Maybe you've bussed too much.

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I agree a lot with your readlist. I would move Bell way down, and beeboy up, but other than that, that's where I'm at too.

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My role PM says I'm aligned with the town, my love

You sure it's not the sample role PM you're reading, yes? You are my one and only, so you can be sure I won't snitch on you if you claim scum here.

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You can't stop me from using meta, shelly, we've been over this

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Why do you prefer scum as an alignment btw? I enjoy town more because I prefer the puzzle/solving side of mafia more than the bluffing/lying side of it. Lying can be fun, but only for a short time. The deadlines are too long and my motivation falters when I roll scum..

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something is just strange about that EoD

shelly wants to work with taylor to find a pairing, then she breaks character at the last moments to yoink a pair and the delegate to choice to taylor? something just is weird about this. if shelly really wanted pooky to go you'd assume she would let taylor pick hectic and she could murder pooky herself right? wouldn't that be the play if she wants pooky dead? you know taylor is picking hectic... why throw a wrench into things? i know she suggests taylor to kill pooky but even still... idk something just isn't right

Oka makes a good point here tbh, but I don't want to concede it in the thread and consider you as scum... sheeellyy

Can't we survive a little longer before we're forced to leave and you break my heart when you flip scum?

I'm exaggerating btw, I just don't townread you as much as I did, as my rose-tinted glasses start to fade. I still

townlean

you I guess.

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I respect the lolpairing play

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I see you've taken a page fom Nacho/Vegeta's playbook

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Thought i'd shown you this

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Yeah

Don't actually leave, it's strictly worse than the 20% chance they find another wagon. I'd want to if we were about to get hammered though, just for the style points

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No, it does

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Oh, we lose if the timer runs out and there's no launch

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lol tell me if you want me to stop, I am technically fabricating what you're saying and all. You can just deny it in-thread though

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The series shall continue then

Writing fanfic about my favourite mafiascum users and then passing it off as "flavour" may or may not be my favourite pastime

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Hey, I wouldn't lie about something like that to pocket. I do admire your style though, I've mentioned this before but it's a rare a player can 1v1 as much as you do and go hard aggro without being toxic at all, it's really refreshing.

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Maybe I'm being pocketed by your paranoia of being pocketed :thinking:

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Wasn't MariaR threatening to leave and saying she never makes endgame?

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I actually agree with these Akarin thoughts in-thread. The passive/nice tone combined with narration over proactive pushing is probably scum-indicative.