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Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:38 pm

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Hello, my love!

Ego for now. Rereading when off work.

Pooky flipping red wasn't that surprising imo. The interactions re: taylor and the desperation for taylor to partner with him doesn't sound s/s. Taylor is my most solid TR atm.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:49 pm

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people that are high priority sort for me atm: {Oka, Akarin, Bell}

Bell has been ellitelling hard but gamestate-wise I'm not sure what the probabilities are for both scum to be in the "f3"?
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Post Post #5 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm

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In post 3, Hectic wrote:You're the only one for me, shelly. I didn't want to say this in-thread but I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes, thank you for taking me. What kind of dances are you into?

Also, I'm genuinely shocked Pooky flipped scum. I thought the way he was acting towards me was really town-indicative from meta...
The last time I saw pooky!scum, he treated scumpartner!ydrasse similarly. in Boardgames Mini Normal, me lazy to link it.

I'm afraid...
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Post Post #6 (isolation #3) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 pm

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I'm not that much of the dancer type, gotta say
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Post Post #8 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:03 pm

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Post Post #9 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:05 pm

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I think a lot of my early readslist has to be rethinked with the current gamestate

I'm now kinda townreading dunn? feels very inquisitive and proactive re: pushing DGB/DD, which I also agree with, by the Grand Process of Elimination.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #6) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:10 pm

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In post 10, Hectic wrote:I'll out all of my dumb paranoia reads here, the one on the top off my head was luez:

don't tell anyone in-thread because decency or whatever, I don't like publicly alt outing, but he's obviously Menalque. Mene is very charismatic and charming as scum, he intentionally plays it up more and is good at it. I'm seeing that here. This is also a slight ego thing so I would never say it in-thread unless I was sure of it, but it felt like he making special care to try and pocket me early on, probably because I ALWAYS snipe and know his alts, so he knows that I know his scumrange, so I'm a higher priority to plactate. That's more of a paranoia thing though.

ALSO, he proposed to Ydrasse who i'm sure we'll both agree is very good at obvtowning as town, especially with how polarising her scummeta is in recent times. If he's scum, she's a prime dance partner, so I can see the early proposal being a planned thing, maybe.

Anyway, gonna read more and collect my thoughts when I have time in a day or two
Menalque knows about ydrasse!obvtowning, I'll put this out.

This seems a bit too tinfoily for me to buy it though.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #7) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:14 pm

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Do you have any context on Oka's reaction to me talking about your tinfoil
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Post Post #15 (isolation #8) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:18 pm

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Hope you don't mind me outing the tl;dr part, didn't out ydrasse part because it kinda would partially out him.

Menalque also is quite paranoid of town!me after a game where he tunnelled me and I flipped town. I don't see that here. Can link if needed
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Post Post #16 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:22 pm

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posting in the pt is much less intimidating than posting in the thread. I like hoods.

I'm looking at DGB-DD/maria-bulge containing a couple of scum. Maria's posting seems overconfident in some places and the casual shrug off of the pushes on her I dislike. DGB has made that scummy comment towards dgb though, discrediting and WKing me.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:48 pm

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maria feels incredibly chainlaunchy but does scum!maria do that to scum!DGB. I'm not sure.

I might vote for maria
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Post Post #20 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:58 pm

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The suicide talk between oka-FB-dunn sounds like white noise to clog up the thread, imo.

So I'm back at where I started today ugh - a PoE of Oka/FB or Maria/Bulge or DGB/DD

i'd probably nuke the DGB one first, gives a decent amount of info and dgb is still going at dunn for no reasoning.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:38 am

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I skimmed thread when did Dunn link you with dgb

idk I'm starting to be less secure on dgb!scum a tiny bit, dgb's dunn/deluez are pretty anti-consensus
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Post Post #24 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:40 am

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I'm tired to fully digest that but tl;dr is beeboy has a weak scum range and is basically playing suboptimally if paired with Isis!IC?

I'll skim a few beeboy games tmr maybe
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Post Post #25 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:42 am

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In post 1604, Isis wrote:I really didn't like the "I always townread you post" but lots of DGB's later play seems a bit more townish to me. Drew seems very scummy though, unfortunately
I'm vibing with this

I think I'll roll with a town block of {me, you, Isis, Taylor, Bell, Ydrasse, beeboy?}
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Post Post #28 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:45 am

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Taylor!scum would require Bell!scum... as well? and for some reason they yeeted Pooky? overall bluntness and reads I vibe with

Bell!scum requires two scum in F3. Taylor seems to be satisfied with Bell in the PT, and I liked Bell's opening quite a lot.

Ydrasse has been hitting the marks I would expect with town!ydrasse. Not betting the game on this but tonally, content-wise when catching up, is quite good. also luez tinfoil supports

beeboy because I trust your reads if you're town
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Post Post #29 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:46 am

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In post 26, Hectic wrote:Hope you don't mind me using this as a notes PT. I'll probably paraphatse stuff over to the main thread with a bit of elaboration when I can
Paraphrase-

I don't mind that and would be pleased to look over where your heads at
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Post Post #30 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:47 am

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In post 27, Hectic wrote:Isis is a little controversial, but I like the rest of that block
hmm maybe I should consider an isis!scum world?

that sounds *plausible* :)
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Post Post #31 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:48 am

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I think your posting so far is also very adequate town!you content

I don't think scum!you goes to lengths solving beeboy/deluez in a non-consensus way.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #19) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:52 am

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In post 32, Hectic wrote:I mean, it's technically possible that Pooky/Bell were both scum in F3, but it's just really suboptimal play for them to be so lax about proposing to partners for both of them to make it there. Pooky wanted to dance with Isis which I get, but scum!Bell probably would've proposed to someone other than Tayl0r earlier who wasn't thaaat likely to accept.
^ this yeah.

hmmm I'm wondering due to the setup, scum would be aware someone would be left out and would take measures to prevent that
Pooky ending up dying might indicate lack of scum team communication/planning?
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Post Post #37 (isolation #20) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:58 am

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In post 35, Hectic wrote:What other measures could scum have made to get him a dance partner, outside of S-S pairs?
he wanted isis right?

he actually tried gunning for Taylor but failed
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Post Post #38 (isolation #21) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:59 am

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In post 36, Hectic wrote:You should vote conspiracy, shelly

I hope you're gonna play in this upcoming marathon weekend btw. I'm already really looking forward to more conspiracy, I love how paranoid you were in that
when's the next one

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Post Post #40 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:02 am

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In post 39, Hectic wrote:Do you actually think there's been a healthy dose of paranoia from me here? I've mostly just been assuming you're town

Sidenote though: I think PTs are more pleasant when they're not used as a form of ~interrogation~, but as a way to discuss reads to form a better opinion on the other person's alignment
"ANYWAY, I'm not trying to pocket you"

its not like you tried to directly buddy me or what

did Noraa's curlies affect you?
and yes, the scum PT is used for discussing reads
I can roll with that, though I've got a decent picture of you here
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Post Post #43 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:13 am

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In post 42, Hectic wrote:Okay, okay, sure

Noraa's basically a Paragon in the making so wouldn't be surprised if she's rubbed off on me. I generally shift between ~s, *s, and CAPS
Noraa should win all the scummies

do you think deluez re: DGB is TMI?
imo I don't think scum!menal (if it is indeed menalque) slips like THAT
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In post 1615, deleuzional wrote:Do you enjoy being bad, DGB, or is it an unfortunate recent turn that your play has taken?
here
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Post Post #45 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:51 pm

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I'm not sure Bell's heavy absence in times where he is active elsewhere on site is enough to keep him in the townblock.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:24 pm

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Eh.

i think scum!bell is the self-aware type and wouldn't go "hey I've been avoiding this thread".

talk to me about fire, I can't get a handle there for some reason
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Post Post #49 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:26 pm

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Oka's exchange with me doesn't really change my mind on him, and their lack of taking responsibility for the vote: shellyc doesn't match up with his attitude of questioning/poking at me.

i would flip that any day
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Post Post #54 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:19 am

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In post 53, Hectic wrote:
In post 1987, shellyc wrote:deluez (hi mena!) did you want to have a conversation with me, I noted that from my skim
Brutal... did he claim Mene in-thread? I don't think he has.
sorry mena

i actually thought he claimed it
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Post Post #56 (isolation #29) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:20 am

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In post 52, Hectic wrote:Yeah, Fire plays more like this as scum. Less WIM and motivation, while town!him can be a monster.
is fire just the tonereadable type?

luez still giving me townvibes - interactions with you sound pretty genuine. luez!scum scumming with me decided to pocket ydrasse though (and sorta succeeded?), so he's aware how to pocket her
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Post Post #59 (isolation #30) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:27 am

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In post 57, Hectic wrote:Oh yeah, I know of that Normal game. You know, I just saw the final 5 for that and just knew Menalque was scum from the basis of him being UTR and still alive. Tragic how much people ignore NKA. Well played there though.

I guess leuz going for another pocket Ydrasse play is really bold if he's scum? and maybe kinda mean as well. I do just want to say that pairing is T/T
thanks, i have some Doubts about luez but it'll be apparent with my experience with him + what ydrasse reports

I kinda think overall my strongest TRs are taylor, ydrasse, followed by bell
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Post Post #60 (isolation #31) » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:28 am

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In post 58, Hectic wrote:Fire is more jokey and fun as town, and also just more proactive in solving
busy and lazy to meta

I'm going to read that iso again probably. at first glance it seems pretty blunt which is prob sliiiiiightly town!AI
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im not worried

my Ydrasse tone reads are like, of a very high accuracy

I think at a cursory glance of towngame experience amount of solving can vary
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In post 64, Hectic wrote:it's a little alarming that leuz reads both of us as null-scum
i was going to say this


GALAXY MINDMELD

i think luez scumreading me for "not doing anything out of scumrange" is weird given my scumrange's pretty wide at times, and even as town i don't townslip/obvtown
and scumreading you for altouting is eh...
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*not altouting

it sounds a very weird point that is convoluted and not following normal townie logic to get to an SR on you
feels reversed, like scum!luez was trying to find reasons to push our pair
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My role PM says I'm aligned with the town, my love
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In post 2444, shellyc wrote:
In post 2442, Tayl0r Swift wrote:shelly whats your scumpool?
i'd say roughly ordered:
MariaR - The Bulge
OkaPoka - Firebringer (Fire here because I sorta like hectic's case there in the pt)
deleuzional - Ydrasse (luez here)
beeboy - Isis (beeboy here)
Dunnstral - Akarin (kinda null on both, could flip)
so uh...
maria's posting makes my stomach turn, very survivalistic, trying to make it to endgame. voting us then quickly pivoting to dunn/aka looks like a fake trajectory
bulge is more of a null-to-scum but I didn't really love the catchup

oka I'm townreading but I looked up a few FB games and I think I get what you saying?
deluez is going downhill as I said, keeping the SR to himself feels like "flip hectic without taking burden" and isn't from a town mindset imo.

beeboy - I know you TR but the iso has close-to-no content and isis hasn't said anything about content in pt so i'd imagine it not to be remarkable, which is alarming

I townleaned dunn and think this is solidified by scum!mariaR but akarin feels consistently like a middle-of-the-road takes person which is scummy
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Readslist:
Isis - IC
shellyc - obvtown
Tayl0r Swift - idk why people want to flip here at all? interactions with pooky, choosing bell over pooky, bluntness in tone

Ydrasse - tone, reaction to pooky
Hectic - I'm not sure scum!you posts paranoid theories here. based off content in pt warrants a TR
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OkaPoka - going against the grain and boldness

Dunnstral - I'm slightly concerned if the early TR on me was a pocket as it was based off vague reasoning like "shelly catches up from a town mindset" but looking back I think his thoughts are decent and scum!him prob doesn't hard push DGB like that?

Akarin - bit of a true null here, might let dunn/akarin evaluate each other. GTH scum based off weird shade of taylor? also very consensusy
beeboy - absence around key points of the game and ignoring the DGB wagon while posting when it was there doesn't exactly give me town!him confidence. but I could buy your Scum!Beeboy doesn't pair with isis theory

deleuzional - as said before, also when I was prodding him to give maria!town reasoning there was uh. none.

Firebringer - metadived, clear difference here, also little real content is concerning
The Bulge - passive play which is very scummy, catchup has some weird and unfollowed-up reads indicating scum lack of familiarity of the gamestate
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Post Post #76 (isolation #38) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:34 pm

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It’s not the sample role pm, it’s the one that FakeGod PM’d me.

Besides I’m pretty sure there’s a site clause banning me from rolling scum again since I’ve rolled it too much
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Post Post #77 (isolation #39) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:35 pm

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Also it true I am changing my meta as both alignments so uh. Meta isn’t the best way to TR me
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Post Post #81 (isolation #40) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:50 pm

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from my notes pt in another game
In post 45, shellyc wrote:being scum is more dynamic
being scum is gamestate manipulation
being scum is total freedom

whereas town is solving puzzles? that arent even fun to solve and instead require you feeling like a fish in the pond all the time?
In post 46, shellyc wrote:all you can do as town is pour in a ton of effort and flail like crazy and fuck up and get pushed by the big scary informed minority
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Post Post #82 (isolation #41) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:51 pm

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tbh i really lolpaired with you

im never flipping scum
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Post Post #85 (isolation #42) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:09 pm

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whos that
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Post Post #87 (isolation #43) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:17 pm

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hmmmm yes I quoted that lol

hectic are you actually town

im actually decently fine with leaving after I get my takes out there/reread.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #44) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:22 pm

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wait leaving doesnt end the day?
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Post Post #91 (isolation #45) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:23 pm

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In post 0, FakeGod wrote:If the game runs out of time and at least one Mafia is still alive, then Mafia wins.
wtf does this mean
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Post Post #92 (isolation #46) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:24 pm

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lol im just reading the ruleset in detail
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Post Post #94 (isolation #47) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:46 pm

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LOL the more correspondence part was actually hilarious
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Post Post #96 (isolation #48) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:51 pm

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its fine

hectic you are a good fanfiction writer
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its pretty funny i would like the series to continue
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Post Post #99 (isolation #50) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:59 pm

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hm.

does this mean im one of your favourite MS users? *eyes* I'm flattered
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Post Post #100 (isolation #51) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:00 am

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*wakes up from dream, hectic flips Pocketing Scum*
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Post Post #101 (isolation #52) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:00 am

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fairly important disclaimer: i dont expect you to flip scum lol

pagetop may have been intentional
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Post Post #104 (isolation #53) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:17 am

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In post 103, Hectic wrote:Maybe I'm being pocketed by your paranoia of being pocketed :thinking:
maybe I'M being pocketed by your paranoia of my paranoia of being pocketed...

do you think both maria/bulge true null btw? maria has been pretty actively scummy, i dislike the attempts to get to endgame
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Post Post #110 (isolation #54) » Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:21 pm

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i early TR'd bell due to predance posting being quite clueless in a way that sounds uninformed and some early inquisitiveness
also I'm not sure both scum in final 3, scumteam of bell/pooky prob wont be that disorganised
now I am showing Doubt due to obtuseness regarding things that have been explained clearly and recently
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