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if you are the town here, then i'm fairly confident you can reach that conclusion on town!me

simply by virtue of how i was acting during massclaim :p

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ico: datisi probtown
also ico: shellyc probtown

i'm finding reasons for town!either of you yeah

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that shows how much time scum!me thought about this lylo lol

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is this game close to balance with

doctor, 1x bp, checker

v

1-shot rolecop
goon/weak pr like informed?

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pedit: what you referring to? the way you started softing but asked to go last? i'll have to go reread that

yeah, and by how i reacted to mini's doc claim

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hot take

shellyc is a goon/non-blocking scum role and their preferred lylo was datisi/BM/shellyc but couldn't kill me :p

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inb4 vengefull bulletproof, vig and ascetic neighbour doctor lol

what are the odds of 2 town roles in a 9p mini that protect from kills?

close to zero, right?

i think ur scum

1-shot rolecop and what looks to be a full roleblocker

vs full doc/full gunsmith/??

Why do you believe there is a third tpr?

i've got a feeling we are going to see more non-vt claims

In a normal case, if both you and BM are flipped (green), assuming 2 nightkills, this game is LONG over by the time i need to worry about something like that.

To me they way this is said is in a “I won’t be a night kill” kind of way

well, ur not wrong

i just wish i was vengefull this game

that woulda been awesome lol

all these posts were hints/crumbs/references to me being BP

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i think 1426 is especially worth laughing about lol

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a scum!shellyc who came into this game with the idea to fake gunsmith would have prepared those crumbs
it's ballsy for sure

but it would explain the early claim (prior to even being at E-1 IIRC)

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datisi crumbs are on the lazier end of the datisi!crumb scale, but is probably NAI

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i'm just gonna townspew myself here and work from there

Why does scum!Ico see a doc claim, and then go 'i'm BP'
i don't gain anything from that, in the contrary even

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you know what, if this is true or not, but the entire concept of you thinking this makes me townread you here

ico, pls enlighten me why you think this is town!indicative thinking?

the solving GB part in it

ok but like why?

like it's a read that's very easy to invent and that's easy to walk back from later (also it's lowkey worrying those are the only reads he had coming back but)

don't see a problem

"sorting" in of itself gets less and less as a towntell the more experience someone has

and coming in with an "early read" on page 20, that is quite easy to toss away later, *while* not commenting on the 7-8 other slots (and openly saying they're not even trying to read some of them) would sooner make me think that the read is ~for show~ rather than genuine sorting

do you see why i don't think it's a townbinnable thing?

you should definitely indirectly shade me more without engaging me/talking to someone else!

i don't think this is scum!iv interacting with their buddy tbh

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you should definitely indirectly shade me more without engaging me/talking to someone else!

you are free to answer 73 (

cough

153) and 186 whenever you're ready

do you have any explanation for your reads that don't include stretching tells about activity?

yeah but like, those aren’t even the things that you shaded me for

ok and? you're complaining that i'M NoT eNgAgInG yOu, i clearly am, and you're choosing to ignore it and instead present and explain one (1) read whose entire basis is "not posting"??

why do you care so much about random answers to questions from like, many pages ago

I like don’t understand

like do you even care about the answers?

I like, also don’t have to share every read that I have and I feel like you’re making it seem like I’m scummy because of that alone

because i'm trying to figure out if your reads are bullshit you make up on the spot

and when the only explanation to a read you have provided so far in the entire game is "hurr durr this person didn't post so no scum pt" and you're actively avoiding questions, it's starting to become *concerning*

what’s your read on me right now?

you kind of just came the conclusion that my georgebailey read was BS? or am I misinterpreting

back to null, trending downwards

pedit: yes, for the reasons i laid out earlier, i do think your beorgegailey read smells of bullshit

do you think i'm scum, iv?

or is it too much to ask to share that read?

so you didn’t think to engage me on the thing you ACTUALLY thought was scummy though

like null trending downwards

i'm pretty sure i already said that your lack of any reads based on content actually posted in the game was way worse but go off i guess

pedit: s i g h

instead let’s talk about other useless questions You pretend to care about!

i'm pretty sure i already said that your lack of any reads based on content actually posted in the game was way worse

I don’t recall tbh

okay I guess scumread anyone who isn’t posting their full readlists on page 2 and townread anyone who is!

oh wait...

also

like it's a read that's very easy to invent and that's easy to walk back from later

(also it's lowkey worrying those are the only reads he had coming back but)

and coming in with an "early read" on page 20, that is quite easy to toss away later,

*while* not commenting on the 7-8 other slots (and openly saying they're not even trying to read some of them)

would sooner make me think that the read is ~for show~ rather than genuine sorting

maybe i didn't fucking spell it out letter for letter but

okay I guess scumread anyone who isn’t posting their full readlists on page 2 and townread anyone who is!

what the fuck are you even trying to say with this

like i'm not townreading people for ~*posting readslists*~?

my read on shelly has n o t h i n g to do with the fact she has or hasn't made readslists / shared all her reads? like did you even read the game?

pedit: oh hi ydrasse

so to be clear.

Someone who talks about all their reads - NAI
Someone who doesn’t talk much about their reads - scummy

yes?

oh wait, do you still want me to answer the question about why I lol scumleaned ico on page 3 when he posted a meme? I’m sure that will really help you figure out my alignment

oh and, to be clear, as much as I’d like this to be a scum thing because I really don’t believe you care about those questions answered, it’s still possivle you’re just town and don’t like it when people don’t answer your questions

so to be clear.

Someone who talks about all their reads - NAI
Someone who doesn’t talk much about their reads - scummy

yes?

mostly, but i really don't think this is as black-and-white as you're making it out to be because the way people talk about them and also personal meta etc but go on

pedit: it would surely be nice to know what your read on ico is, yes :upside_down_emoji:

ppedit: ...

pppedit: oh hi gypyx

you know what, i'm gonna go for a walk before i say something ~inappropriate~

so why didn’t you ask that question instead (:

because if you have a problem answering a simple fucking reads question from page 3 or whatever how can i expect that you answer a--

you know what no
walking away
see y'all later

after rereading this

i'm literally *-* this close to voting shellyc here

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a scum!shellyc who came into this game with the idea to fake gunsmith would have prepared those crumbs
it's ballsy for sure

but it would explain the early claim (prior to even being at E-1 IIRC)

do you think from a scum!shelly pov, she gets a role pm of goon or whatevz, she sees her partner iv being 1-shot rolecop, and assumes gunsmith fits in the setup for whatever reason?

i'm town, and i'm 1 shot BP. And I just saw a full doc flip. I'm not taking this setup into consideration, but going mostly off of dayplay here and just pretend we are all VT claims.

Setup literally doesn't make sense

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new avi who dis



vaguely in the order of would not yeet > would yeet:

ico - so like. this just looks like classic town!ico that i’ve played the last god knows how many games with. (do you ever roll scum anymore?) didn’t see anything red-flagy, don’t feel like i’m being led astray, his reactions feel like they always do, etc, etc. i won’t waste time typing here.

ydrasse - if this is scum, i’mma hate myself for falling into that pocket. the paranoia on me feels townie as it almost seems too... convoluted? illogical? for scum to make up. also feels decently solve-y for day one.

staarling - the tone is good, each post follows a clear train of thought... while i *could* see her being scum, i think it’s more likely she’s Just Town? i wish you posted more, though :c

george - he is like, close to null, maybe a smigde towards town. i cooould be getting fooled here because of haunted village, but... eh. i feel what he’s saying about mini, and for some reason, i feel like scum!george would’ve jumped on the shelly wagon there that was building? unless obviously they’re scumbuddies, but do i ever nail a scumteam on day one...

gypyx - first i kinda thought this would be much more towards town due to start-of-day tonal read thing, but as i was rereading his iso, i thought that’s the only thing he has going for him? like tonally he still feels more town than not, but he seems to have trailed off as the day is progressing. the only serious vote being on a at-the-time non-poster is... ehh.

iv - what even. fuck if i know. my first thought is to townbin people being purposefully difficult with me, becuase ~what is the scum motivation behind that~, and i got burned enough times by that.

mini - right, what exactly feels solvey here? i think ico said she’s commenting on what he’d expect her to, but i dunno chief, i just don’t see it. also the read on me feels like weird shading.

shelly - ... i think i have explained my read here, like, a lot of times by this point, but two main things, again.
> townbins me, then takes me out of the townpool for “pocketing ydrasse”, a read that clearly didn’t make any sense given what happened.
> townbins me for going against the grain. later on shades me and calls it “weird” and asserts that she’s inclined to scumread people who have differing takes than her. i call her out beause she was townreading me for the *exact same thing* earlier, but no, that was situational (???) because the most of the game was scumreading gypyx at the time. (which is when she started townbinning me originally???)
(also apparently ico is disagreeable and that’s “another reason to townbin him” lmfao)

this would literally fit with town!tisi having both scum in the null-scum pool early on

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on one hand, we have ico-mini, scum!ico basically counterclaimin' (BP) doesn't make sense
iv-daddytisi doesn't make sense either

I'm still 50/50

but that shellyc bus and early claim is just so…

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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actual feelings rn

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the IV wagon

IIRC both you and shellyc were strongly pushing there

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granted your iso with iv is a LOT spicier :p

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tbh i think you have the best shot at figuring me out correctly

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i honestly don't think that kind of scumtheater is in your scumrange

and the frustrations you had with iv felt very similar to how i feel when my scumreads are ignoring me /refusing to answer

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i think this is solved with town!you

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there are reservations, but the majority of what i'm rereading points to town!you

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reservations mostly concerning town!shellyc

like the solid crumbs

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and the way they helped flip IV (but then that goes for both of you so i can't really count this for anything)

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honestly, i think scum!me would have defended IV harder and helped BM push Mini

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i am now officially completely lost.

we haven't voted yet so no, not yet :p

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and the way they helped flip IV (but then that goes for both of you so i can't really count this for anything)

you mean the person i've been pushing since day one? :p

i've made it clear i think your iso doesn't match for being buddies there

but the facts are what they are, and shellyc was the one to give me the final nudge to come onto IV

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(i'd also say lack of enthusiasm to solve but it feels like the majority of the game has been like that for thr past few days)

Get that WIM high up, folks!

Ico, willing to vote IV with us right now? (or are you already)

i didn't read enough during my last reread and just saw this and went with it

This was the main post that I'm talking about when 'shellyc' pulled me on

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honestly, i think scum!me would have defended IV harder and helped BM push Mini

*opens ico iso to check what he did on d2*
*3 pages*
*cri*

*only*

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sure, maybe those questions make more sense "to you", but it's not just about the reads you formed or didn't form in that moment, it's about looking at your reads across the game. (and i kinda wrote about it in the above posts, but it's because you were gone for a while so i'd expect you to have Actual Thoughts on things that are happening, and having just one random townread on a person who isn't posting is lowkey lazy, not wanting to go against anyone, *and* easy to walk back from, which is behaviour often seen in scum!)

of the "reasons" you said you gave in respond to my wall I really only saw this? which you've already said you had reservations about long before my wallpost, which was still when you were "null" on me

like your read progression on me still feels weird

and i had two townreads not one from my brief skim, the other was ydrasse but honestly still weird that you're pushing a one sentence catchup post where i say two townreads

i thought the georgebailey one was more important to mention also because I imagined that no one would've gotten the read I had from that. there is information to be gained outside of just the posts themselves that people tend to write off as NAI when I personally at least believe they are more indicative than they seem. one recent example, look at Open 788 and ctrl-f "spicer" in my ISO. i correctly pegged them as town despite their whole iso being a one-liner and everyone was like "wtf are you talking about iv". I'm not saying that I'm right, it's just something that I notice.

and also, I have a hard time believing you think I, of all people in this game, am scum for "not wanting to go against anyone". Am i being lazy this game? yeah, i am, is that scum indicative for me, maybe. and I really should stop responding to your walls and iso some other players but like... idk we keep getting into discussions and i currently feel the least good about you anyway.

shellyc why are you voting me?

one of these quotes is scum trying to engage with a town
one of these quotes is scum engaging with their partner

if you ask me, they are in order

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hmmmm

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i'm like 85% sure i just wanna vote shellyc

but i'm also enjoying this so much and i don't want it to end :p

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yeah i said it

i'm enjoying lylo

sue me

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why is nobody trying to pocket me

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shellyc you wanna continue your push on me that you started a couple pages ago, when you went 'oh look IV did this thing with Ico on page 3'

datisi do you or do you not think i'm town and why

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ico i said im going to evaluate this game through datisi and iv mainly

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why would you hate a lylo that you (probably) chose? ^^

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i have a sinking feeling how you two will end up crossvoting and then i'm gonna reread the game five times over and still make the wrong choice and we're all gonna die

i actually had the same feeling, but with the 2 of you cross voting

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ico i said im going to evaluate this game through datisi and iv mainly

why not thru me, shellyc?

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i'm strongly leaning towards scum!shellyc

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where u at with your solve?

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same Q to shellyc

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same place where i was yesterday, except you are starting to pull on my paranoia

i haven't even pushed you to vote yet :p

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i'm here to talk about stuff

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i have a sinking feeling how you two will end up crossvoting and then i'm gonna reread the game five times over and still make the wrong choice and we're all gonna die

same feeling with this and with

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ico, am i right to think that this looks like you've already made up your mind?

this

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but my solve is hanging onto you and iv not doing *that* much scum theater basicly, yeah

both of your claims feel like they can be fake
but both of you have solid crumbs so

i'm just ignoring that?

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where u at with your solve?

slightly leaning towards towntisi

why? what made you change your initial thoughts here?

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daddy

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to vote or not to vote hmmmmm

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the fact that shellyc is just not gonna try and solve me is never coming from a town mindset
right?

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am i going to scumread datisi? probably not

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VOTE: shellyc

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live footage of Ico, waiting to see response

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plz

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oh

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if you don't hammer then i'm done here with my reads

and i just have to convince you to *do the right thing here*

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how tf am i scum here datisi

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paranoia? sure

but i don't know why it should be anything more then that

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i wish you were more sure about scum!shellyc and that you voted first

that woulda saved you a lot of pain :p

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what do you need from me here?

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tl;dr on why you're town. don't write an essay. just quick bulletpoints.

all the small things why you were townreading me for in the first place

the way i got excited during massclaim and *couldn't wait* to rub my claim in Mini's face (ok granted that didn't age very well but still, the intent is what counts)

i was practically falling over my own crumbs during that time

the way i approached this game and sorted/acted is (i think) extremely solid in my town meta

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VOTE: Iconeum
I need say no more.

it's a valiant effort shellyc, but *not wanting to sort me in lylo* was the biggest give-away you did here

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literally only scum would wanna not have to sort anything right now

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tl;dr on why you're town. don't write an essay. just quick bulletpoints.

- i pushed iv to tipping point when scum!me could have cased mini
- are you seriously going to launch the claimed gunsmith with crumbs
- early claim + specific crumbs point to a scum!me world that was planning to claim GS from d1, which does not make sense given current setup

all 3 of us are claimed pr, and the setup is rough to sort
the iv thing goes for both of us, I could have easily pushed mini over pushing iv
early claim can be faked

also, the way you pushed me to Just Hammer mini before they even got to claim is a big one.

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bye

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don't worry i got this

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oh

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shellyc why did you not wanna sort me lol

fml

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the realization that it was in fact scum theater is slowly sinking in

i cannot grasp this

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my d1 townblock of ico/iv/shellyc was fucking WRECKED

F

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takeaway from this game: scum theatre is real

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i'm sorry i really did not want to troll but we used the rolecop on ico night 1 and fuck if was gonna risk another surprise

i was literally gonna claim bp vengefull here but no

not even that is allowed

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i hate the world

can we not release my notes pt k thanks

we are releasing our notes pt's

this is not optional

trust me, mine is gonna look a LOT worse

(no redactions, release whenever you are ready)

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THANKS FOR MODDING SIRIUS

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do u really want to read 50 pages of dead people saying checker makes no sense in this setup :3

omg the lies

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hmm they are going to try scum-theater in front of shelly

that might be a bad idea :3

that's from the mod pt

yeah

absolutely fucking terrible idea

nobody is ever going to fall for that

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thank you to Sirius and Pooky! Fun game, well modded

i wouldn't go that far

this setup was extremely scumsided, with a rolecop, roleblocker, and checker for a 2p scumteam

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they also had emotional backup from 2 mods, who were clearly working against us (town) now that i'm reading the town notes

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ah i see, you must be a boomer

just put the /s at the end of my 1806 and 1807