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Post #547 (isolation #0 ) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:08 am
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Is this a good place for normalcy questions?
Does combined apply only to active abilities with targets? How for example would a combined cop doctor commuter work under the normal guidelines?
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Post #550 (isolation #1 ) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:40 pm
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Seems like a slightly more fun vanilla townie and yes I'd say it's normal.
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Post #552 (isolation #2 ) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:49 pm
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That seems like a problem with activated.
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Post #554 (isolation #3 ) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:06 pm
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I guess I don't see it because it seems like such a harmless joke ability.
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Post #556 (isolation #4 ) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:11 pm
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by Ythan » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:11 pm
You can optionally appear as scum to investigations. So you forget you ever had a power and play as a named vanilla townie. Unless I'm missing something.
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Post #558 (isolation #5 ) » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:15 pm
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Post #563 (isolation #6 ) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:12 am
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An anything finder, without multitasking.
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Post #564 (isolation #7 ) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:13 am
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Cop-finder/doctor-finder/roleblocker-finder/...
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Post #568 (isolation #8 ) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:32 am
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by Ythan » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:32 am
Can't vanilla cop find vanillas of any alignment? How does finder work wrt vanilla townie/goon/vanilla serial killer?
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Post #574 (isolation #9 ) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:31 am
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I'm going to throw my hat in with this role sounds cool.
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Post #582 (isolation #10 ) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:06 am
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The point is that the finder as it exists is even more unfun.
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Post #584 (isolation #11 ) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:10 am
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I don't think the purpose of the whitelist is good roles but rather known roles that conform to the normalcy guidelines. So yes I guess.
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Post #591 (isolation #12 ) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:13 am
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What about targets with multiple abilities if you already covered this tldr.
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Post #600 (isolation #13 ) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:24 pm
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by Ythan » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:24 pm
The issue here is referring to a traffic analyst variant as a something cop in a game with gunsmiths. It should probably have been called something else if that's how it's gonna be.
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Post #603 (isolation #14 ) » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:34 pm
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Neat!
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Post #613 (isolation #15 ) » Sun May 02, 2021 2:39 pm
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It doesn't really feel like a matter of taste though so much as understanding that 50% is sufficient or not understanding.
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Post #615 (isolation #16 ) » Thu May 06, 2021 6:42 am
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We could both allow mods to spell it out and establish a standard for games in which they don't. Win win?
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Post #641 (isolation #17 ) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:14 pm
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I see that backups of roles with guns are listed as having guns. I think the reverse is reasonable but I'm not sure how I'd phrase it in that list.
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Post #651 (isolation #18 ) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:03 pm
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It sounds like it would be a goon that becomes a traitor when the traitor dies, which, lol.
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Post #653 (isolation #19 ) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:06 pm
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That's my interpretation of the interaction.
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Post #700 (isolation #20 ) » Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:24 pm
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I disagree that it's a lie but it's a plausible change you're suggesting anyway I guess if people are into it.
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Post #714 (isolation #21 ) » Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:45 am
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Years and years ago when I sometimes modded I ran a game full of red herring roles that was actually just a confusing vanilla game.
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Post #733 (isolation #22 ) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:12 pm
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by Ythan » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:12 pm
You have notably interesting and clever thoughts on mafia mechanics (notably even in a forum about mafia) and I've thought so for a while now.
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Post #779 (isolation #23 ) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:39 pm
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That's an interesting question Wake. I have nothing to add but I'd be interested as well theoretically, although launching such a large game is a whole other thing.
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Post #789 (isolation #24 ) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:52 pm
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I'd be interested in a just huge game with no special mechanics to make it bearable.
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Post #793 (isolation #25 ) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:26 pm
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Wow are checker and visitor really not normal?
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Post #797 (isolation #26 ) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:29 pm
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All three of those are actually, good.
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Post #798 (isolation #27 ) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:29 pm
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I don't read pedits it's a bad habit.
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Post #810 (isolation #28 ) » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:59 pm
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Sounds tangentially related to how detective works.
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Post #824 (isolation #29 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:25 pm
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Normalcy is nebulous because it's just defined by arbitrary (if overall sensible) inclusion in a list. It's difficult to say what else could or could not be normal because the answer is whatever gets on that list.
My two cents in case anyone finds it interesting idk!
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Post #834 (isolation #30 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:09 pm
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In post 825 , TemporalLich wrote: Normality really needs to be defined or else it's just a cloudy "plays like a typical Mafia game" that leads to the Normal role list being bottom up (like it is now) instead of top down.
If there was some way we could do this it would be wonderful.
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Post #836 (isolation #31 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:20 pm
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In post 835 , TemporalLich wrote: In post 834 , Ythan wrote: In post 825 , TemporalLich wrote: Normality really needs to be defined or else it's just a cloudy "plays like a typical Mafia game" that leads to the Normal role list being bottom up (like it is now) instead of top down.
If there was some way we could do this it would be wonderful.
it would require literally building Normal from the ground up again so I doubt the NRG would do that
maybe an intermediate solution would work in outlining the expectations players have for a Normal game?
Agreed and agreed.
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Post #841 (isolation #32 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:13 pm
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Wow good feedback.
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Post #848 (isolation #33 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:54 pm
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Only just noticed that this thread does not actually seem to be for recommending changes. Or has that changed since the op, and that not been updated?
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Post #850 (isolation #34 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:00 pm
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Have you considered something close to "mostly normal" games in the theme queue with their own guidelines as to what constitutes "mostly normalcy"?
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Post #851 (isolation #35 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:01 pm
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Seems like the ideal (within the existing queue arrangement) place to test roles and modifiers for potential inclusion in the real normal list as well.
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Post #854 (isolation #36 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:08 pm
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My suggestion would if anything help with that problem I think.
Although as Gamma points out it's not really my suggestion this is a thing that has been tried before with success.
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Post #859 (isolation #38 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:16 pm
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But like, if the queue is empty, and the kind of games you want are best suited to that queue,
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Post #860 (isolation #39 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:16 pm
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In post 859 , Ythan wrote: But like, if the queue is empty, and the kind of games you want are best suited to that queue,
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Post #863 (isolation #40 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:21 pm
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That makes sense. I think it's a good option when someone (a mod specifically) does want to step just a toe outside the normal queues though.
Pedit at Jake again
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Post #870 (isolation #41 ) » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:04 pm
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In post 869 , Wake1 wrote: Could there be a review of the game by mods/NRG just to get their feedback on how it went and any pros/cons of the tested role?
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Possibly a lot of work but there's bound to be ways to mitigate that.
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Genuine.
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Post #877 (isolation #44 ) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:33 pm
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In post 876 , Dwlee99 wrote: You could do neighborhoods of people with an informed modifier that no one in the hood is x faction.
Whoa this is sharp.
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Post #879 (isolation #45 ) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:58 pm
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I also like your suggestion Jake I just got distracted by Dwlee's deft application of the informed modifier. It does seem that it could be used within the current normal guidelines to accomplish the same effect. Always behind any streamlining though.
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Post #881 (isolation #46 ) » Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:03 pm
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I think what he's getting at is that you can describe masons as neighbors plus more (specifically, information), even if they did come first. So they're more complex in that they can be broken down into two other roles, even if those roles didn't exist when masons were first conceived which I suppose probably predates this site.
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Post #885 (isolation #47 ) » Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:45 am
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In post 883 , Not Known 15 wrote:
Nope!
With Masons and Informed Neighbors are not the same.
Informed gets redacted upon flip.
Mason does not.
(the identity of the other Mason(s) is/are redacted, but not what the mason was informed of)
Ah yes.
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Post #939 (isolation #48 ) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:55 am
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I don't see why actions should ever be submitted in a way that makes their meaning ambiguous. Could you give me an example of what you mean?
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To be clear my answer is yes if not already the case.
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Post #943 (isolation #50 ) » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:12 pm
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I see now, I wasn't familiar with the normal guidelines on the compulsive modifier. That does sort of interact oddly with multitasking but at the same time if you fail to submit an action you have Fucked Up and those guidelines are only there to ensure that a non random method exists to resolve the situation as per normal guidelines. I don't think there's any reason at all to worry about what the absentee compulsive intended with the list.
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Post #956 (isolation #51 ) » Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:43 pm
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In post 955 , Umlaut wrote: If a 1-Shot Backup Tracker tries to track someone before a Tracker has died (who knows why, maybe they misunderstood the role PM), does this failed attempt use up their one shot?
One shot backup or backup one shot? I'm joking but also maybe.
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Post #968 (isolation #52 ) » Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:52 am
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The question of how abilities that effect or detect certain roles react to to modifiers is an interesting one.
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Post #971 (isolation #53 ) » Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:14 am
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Ideally there would be a better name for backup that would make the principled answer less unintuitive.
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Post #974 (isolation #54 ) » Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:49 am
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Are there any other modifiers we don't want triggering a backup? If it can just require a non-backup that would be a pretty simple solution.
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Nice.
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Silly names are at worst neutral imo.
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Post #1338 (isolation #57 ) » Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:53 pm
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You could try running them in a theme game.
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Post #1340 (isolation #58 ) » Wed Sep 27, 2023 6:50 pm
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I am not sure that is a priority most users share.
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