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[catboi]

VOTE: superbowl9

:3

[catboi]

Also don’t i know you from somewhere cat man?

we played together once a long time ago~

[catboi]

what have i walked into ヾ( •́д•̀ ﾉ

[catboi]

I havent been to a site where i'm new and i dont get lynch first, so i figured it must be because it makes me unpredictable threat to scum.

lmao

[catboi]

So like, that timing does suck Tommy but I have an alternative theory: the personality clash. He pushed you, you came and annoyed him and he wanted to leave. I think that's just as likely as your theory, which is why he's not the slam dunk you think he is.

I have not read the full game yet (on page 10 atm), but out of context, this is what that looks like to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[catboi]

Oh whats up ari! I feel like you rolled scum this game for some weird reason

I wish!

I love the idea of winning this as scum or especially as SK!

Alas, it is not in the cards this time

Here Johnny

That is nullest of incredibly null posts and it's more than a little concerning you'd have someone as town above everyone else based on a page 2 post where he says he's sad about not being mafia/SK (¬ω¬)

[catboi]

On page 13.

VOTE: Chaos Triforce

[catboi]

Also don’t i know you from somewhere cat man?

we played together once a long time ago~

Wow throwback! Good to see you again!

Wanted to join to say hi, unfortunately starting to think you miiight be scum~

[catboi]

On page 13.

VOTE: Chaos Triforce

Ok. Now's where you write a whole analytical essay about why

-youreditornornor

Maybe when I'm done reading …φ(ω￣*)

Wanted to join to say hi, unfortunately starting to think you miiight be scum~

a short-lived reuinion

Can you elaborate on why you think guillotina is scum? Do you have any other reads?

[catboi]

I replaced Sirius (who did not post anything), not plusjoyed. Also, don't talk about modkills in-thread, if a post is against the rules, report it.

Still reading up, almost done but heading out for a bit

[catboi]

And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.

This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. It’s an overton window shift, we’re now having a discsussion about whether or not what Guillo said is really THAT bad or not. I’m saying can we ditch this and have more productive conversations?

What would you define as 'more productive'?

[catboi]

Gamma reads different in this game than he did in our two previous games together. But also both of those games were WEIRD AS FUCK so not willing to act on that.

You've expressed he's "different", but in what way, exactly? You named him as a scum read in 555 but keep saying you're not willing to act on that? Do you have thoughts on anything he's posted since then? This whole read from you is super weak.

[catboi]

Gamma reads different in this game than he did in our two previous games together. But also both of those games were WEIRD AS FUCK so not willing to act on that.

You've expressed he's "different", but in what way, exactly? You named him as a scum read in 555 but keep saying you're not willing to act on that? Do you have thoughts on anything he's posted since then? This whole read from you is super weak.

Doesn't matter, not limming Gamma today. Gut.

I wasn't suggesting voting him, I'm just curious why you'd ever considered him scummy in the first place.

[catboi]

BM I highly suggest you read the thread before Town blocking

Also @catboi tbh I think Johnny is approaching me in a pretty sensible way for the view he is expressing. My only games with him have been Town games so if he thinks I look different that would look sus on me. I won’t call it a Town move yet but it’s certainly the proper move if he is town.
I like you asking that sort of question though. You can go into the weak townreads tier

I'm just highly curious about his progression there, because a lot of his play was fairly neutral, breaking up fights and questioning reads other people gave, but when it came to his own stances he'd offered very few and had named you and tayl0r as scumreads, and his reasoning on you didn't seem great. I like that he's backed down but I still want to understand his process there.

Almost caught up but was liking Thomas, Gamma, and the plusjoyed slot for town.

[catboi]

The whole 'case' against Gamma from Guillotina is hot-air nonsense that mostly assumes gamma being scum as a prior then assembles "evidence" working off the idea of him being scum in the first place when he's been fairly studiously scumhunting for most of the day. Does guillo-scum bother with such an elaborate setup, though? I have doubts.

[catboi]

I can certainly make another tho. Thats easy.

-nornorthanksgammafortheoffertho

It's fine, just keep using the same account even if one of you isn't posting. Easier to ISO-read the game that way.

How do i subscribe to or bookmark threads here?

Subscribe and bookmark are both at the bottom of the page.


I don't really support a guillotina vote today.

[catboi]

I don't really support a guillotina vote today.

Why not?

Not really easy to explain. My feeling is, may be loud, annoying, distracting, but that doesn't necessarily add up to scummy, even if his case is bad I don't think it's a rabbit hole scum goes down. I also agree with battle mage in that I don't expect scum to pursue a loud, high-impact approach to the game on day 1 in this setup.

I sort of like the progression in Catboi's ISO, as it has the vibe of genuine solving. But it's also pretty cagey and not throwing a lot of shade.

Catboi - who are your top scumreads today?

That's a tricky one to me, I sped through the thread yesterday and my thoughts are a little disorganized. I disliked chaos the most as I felt their posting lacked substance, and their avoidance of actually reading into the thomas/superbowl fight shows a lack of willingness to sort, their main pushes have just been retaliatory toward pob long and gamma, and I didn't really care for their attack on gamma. Had been suspicious of johnny and how he was staying in the background but is seeming a little bit more town. I haven't really cared for anything superbowl has said, when I subbed in the slapfight with DT looked ego-based but he mostly seems keen on voting people for being annoying rather than finding scumreads? Taylor's another one who's been active but not providing much substance.

I see your vote on pob long, but I actually got very slight townvibes from what he posted, at the start of the game people were mostly fluffing around and he came in early with a serious accusation. Not impossible to fake, but absent anything else to read him on, that's town points. That puts him slightly ahead of Aristophanes in my mind, who didn't say much of anything.

[catboi]

Not really easy to explain. My feeling is, may be loud, annoying, distracting, but that doesn't necessarily add up to scummy, even if his case is bad I don't think it's a rabbit hole scum goes down. I also agree with battle mage in that I don't expect scum to pursue a loud, high-impact approach to the game on day 1 in this setup.

I assume you TR DT for the same reasoning then?

I actually think DT is town (said as much after catching up). I'm iffy on guillo but don't want to go there on day 1.

[catboi]

chkflip is town.

[catboi]

This whole destructive ego-driven 1v1 is really unhelpful. Neither side really looks scummy and I just want it to be over.

[catboi]

God bless pob long

[catboi]

God bless pob long

OK im reading now so calm down will you!

Please do not misunderstand pob long, I find your presence an entertaining and invaluable relief for a game that has been way too hostile lately

[catboi]

i just dont see how not knowing theres a vig would indicate someone is town. thats kinda a prerequisite for something being a townslip

Scums more likely to know the setup? It's an angleshoot, but I've seen plenty and most of them are this bad.

also first that wasnt sassy. ill show you sassy if you dont give me the respect im entitled to. and when i do get sassy with you i recommend not lying to me.

How dare you call me disrespectful. I know a woman and she has told me I'm a very honorable person. So p'shaw to your accusations of anything otherwise. Harumph! (Read as: I was just prodding you. Yikes.)

weird read, but: the bolded reads as very theatrical, it's meant to be a joke I know, but I think scum avoid sounding like that to their buddy. don't think chk and Taylor are scum together

-tabletop

I don't see the purpose of a non-aligned read with no flips in a setup with only 2 mafia. Like, yes, those two are unlikely to be scum together, but there are 66 possible pairings of players in the game, and only 1 is going to be a team, you could pick 2 people at random and have something like this be true.

[catboi]

The vibe being "different from this one game"

I ALSO know Ari doesn’t like playing scum as much as playing town
With THAT knowledge it looks pretty sus for Ari

His posts were moderately suspect but he also stopped posting while the game was more or less still in RVS fluff phase so it's hard to hold that against him. I don't have strong scumreads and a lot of people seem town so it may amount to a scumread on him for poe reasons, but I'm willing to see what he says when he comes back.

[catboi]

Okay so I've read up on the 3 pages that popped up while I was asleep and I've had to reevaluate some things.

Mostly I think DT is definitely super towny and that SuperBowl69 is scummy.

VOTE: SB69

The reactions within these pages to the conversations and especially to suspicuons on each of them were AI and gave me a lot to go on

What made you reverse course from thinking he was town earlier?

[catboi]

Just seems a strange reversal because his content in the last couple pages has been sarcastic quips and being paranoid of gamma agreeing with him, I'm not really seeing what there is especially scummy relative to everything else he's posted.

Johnny really falling in my eyes, thomas scumread is no good and the only reason I can see for it is him quoting something Battle Mage said about thomas attacking people who disagree with him.

[catboi]

You know what, I’m gonna call this out rn. I really don’t think Chaos hydra is scum atp. Get off of them.

I'm like 100% confident of this now btw

What caused the boost?

[catboi]

I don't know that all of sb9's posts hit me like they did Ari, but I like the way he dissected things.

[catboi]

I want an answer from Gamma before I move my vote.

[catboi]

Okay.

VOTE: superbowl9 (E-1)

townread most of the people voting him, him still mainly advocating for voting people because they will be an obstacle to him finding scum rather than because they are scum is pretty bad.

No one hammer without announcing intent and getting a claim first.

[catboi]

Taylor just slid her hand so far into noraa's pocket that she committed a crime in 49 states.

[catboi]

Someone else commented on that first part, but I genuinely don't care what you think of me, I'm more interested in catching scum. That's my point with the earlier post, I don't care if you think I've been "owned" because I didn't respond to an insult either, I'm more concerned with not dragging our game quality down any further than it already has been lowered.
I already explained my strategy with trying to break up those 3 so we can get valuable pushes in later (which is pointless if I'm not alive tomorrow, hence that strategy), but I want to re-empasize one thing here. Is this really how you think I set up miselims? What type of absolute buffoon would I have to be to think this is a sly way to chain elim?? It's kind of insulting that you think this low of my ability.

My issue is I still don't understand why your emphasis is on breaking up a group of players vs actually finding scum. You have all this concern over the DT/Guillo/Gamma group but the only points you raise against them are being problematic later in the game, not actually being suspect. I don't understand why that's your fixation like it's going to be some game dominating force when there's a decent chance some of them just die.

[catboi]

I'd rather you just tell me who you think is actually scum.

[catboi]

I'm ready to end this day as long as we don't shift to something unbelievably stupid
Noraa you wanna post intent?

I mean, not particularly cuz I'm not interested in hammering anyways :/
when's deadline? if close tho, I declare intent. If not, then I did nothing.

-norbear

The deadline's on this page, just under 3 days. You have a stale vote on gamma that no one is following. Even if you don't agree with this vote your current one isn't doing anything.

[catboi]

Why is this wishy washy bullshit still breathing in my gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

Intent to not hammer erbow.

You mean chaos?

[catboi]

Want to be on the record that I still think johnny/chaos/taylor are scummy

[catboi]

I'd be lying if I said I felt good about this vote anymore but I'm not voting thomas. Might join a flashwagon elsewhere if one cropped up.

[catboi]

pob feels like a shot in the dark, if I had to guess probably town but an acceptable kill as a gimmick lurker who's never going to get nightkilled or be a factor in the game.

I should go back and try to explain my chaos triforce read.

[catboi]

pob feels like a shot in the dark, if I had to guess probably town but an acceptable kill as a gimmick lurker who's never going to get nightkilled or be a factor in the game.

I should go back and try to explain my chaos triforce read.

think chaos is town. why would scum!chaos not vote already?

In this setup? optics. You hammer town prematurely you look bad. have to work your way up to it. Plus plenty of times I've seen scum stay off a wagon on town they figured would go through anyway. But I don't find the way nora pushed on gamma to be very honest looking at all.

[catboi]

Self-hammering isnt considered rulebreaking as town, just poor form right?

It's poor form but in a situation like this with deadline approaching and a counterwagon looking unlikely I wouldn't hold it against you.

:<

[catboi]

sorry.

(I mean, it is an apppeal to emotions. But people do it as both alignments, it's not a scumtell. I'm just bad at reading emotions.)

[catboi]

Bit unfortunate that our uh ... vig chose a townie.

I take it the scums killed Guillo because he hard softed pr yesterday. I remember asking table how to derail Guillo's wagon because of what I perceived as "newbie pr softs"
Vig probs killed BM. As for why, I'm going to go ask and see if table has any thoughts on that.

-nornor

Why are you assuming that the vig kill has to have gone through, and that it had to have been on town? There's 3 killing roles. possible a kill was doubled up on, roleblocke stopped the kill, or someone shot the SK.


However, yes, guillotina softclaimed PR pretty hard yesterday which is why I didn't want to vote him but couldn't really explain it.

[catboi]

VOTE: Johnny

[catboi]

Serial Killer has 1-shot NK immunity, it's in the setup.

[catboi]

Noraa is on the record as someone who fakes town slips as scum

[catboi]

Hi!

I'm not sure about strategy in this setup, since we don't get flips from nightkills. Also the game seems kind of...dead. Have any questions you need answered?

[catboi]

Johnny's probably the easiest ISO of the 3 current wagons. Usually when I ISO people I'm lazy and start with the shortest ones first.

[catboi]

lol PlusJOYED really left the game like that as scum huh

I thought the complaining about toxicity was NAI. Shamefully, thought he was town on content. But no matter.

early read list (unordered)

towny
johny: posts content and progresses the game so far. pretty genuine too

superb: reasons earlier stated

gullotine: I sense newbie paranoia from them very similar to what I experienced my first game with a similar background, he's also quite obstinate and stubborn without tunneling which I like. My empathy tells me he's town.

pob long: I lowkey love this man he's hilarious. I don't know if he isn't a native english speaker or is playing a character but I love it yet struggle to understand him. His few posts are him making good observations too.

Aristophanes: Similar bubbly style to superb and noraa leans him town a bit but he hasn't really contributed so this read is pretty weak. I was told this is how town Aristophanes acts.

taylor: following town meta pretty hard from what i recall. Small observations and boosts.


scummy:
Triforce: reasons earlier stated

doubting thomas: skepticism and ... wait I think I see where he gets his name. Regardless a bit of a scumtell and his early whining about meta didn't really please me.

Chk: their absolutes and how hard their reads are I dislike so far. I've seen town players do that but i think it's a scumtell or sign of tmi.

gamma: I've played like 2 games with them as scum and I can tell you he feels like scum cuz meta. But I concede my perspective is lopsided so I might be wrong. Weaker read cuz of this.


null shame corner: sirius

I think scum in this setup have very little reason to distance, you probably find a teammate somewhere in the townreads and between the reads of plus and BM, I'd say Johnny or Ari? BM greets johnny but doesn't say much to him afterwards, puts Aristophanes in his "solve" but doesn't really mention him otherwise.

[catboi]

Theres one thing that I think might be happening here. It's that Gamma is a scum that killed Guillo who was a vig.

I thought about it and its entirely possible. considering that my partner as SRs gamma, I'm going to say there's a 50-50 chance of gamma being real vig and gamma being the evil faction(doesn't matter which one) that killed a vig yesterday.

Lemme think on this a bit. I originally thought gamma had to be vig but that's not actually true cuz with everyone having the "cannibal" thing, nothing is entirely certain.

-nornor

I think the claim is still likely to resolve itself in that even if he's fakeclaiming as mafia/SK, he gets shot anyawy, but I don't scumread him particularly and don't think he claimed in a scummy way

[catboi]

Him repeatedly insisting he wasn't going to b eliminated = nooby softclaim. Plain as day, VTs don't speak with that level of confidence. I saw it, about half the people in the game saw it. I understand Chaos's distrust there but don't think it's worth being concerned about right now. I also think neither guillo or BM are likely to have shot the other as vig, the only way I'd expect one to be vig is if they shot the SK or were roleblocked, both of which are fairly unlikely outcomes. I would strongly urge chaos to consider players in the game besides gamma.

[catboi]

I don't know what "tell" you found aristo, but im never gonna trust a tell from u again after this :/

Im not a pr. I slightly softed vig yesterday but idc no more. Im not even gonna soft a pr to attract nk's. it simply doesn't work in open setup.

-nornor

Can you quote this soft?


It's sort of weird to say it after I was focused on them so much yesterday but I don't think chaos being paranoid of the vig claim is scummy. I think town's more likely to be suspicious, scum know they can just kill the vig anyway. I don't like that vote anymore.

[catboi]

well johnny isn't town so that's a problem

[catboi]

I'm really confused why there were 3 kills. But I ASSUME if there was an unclaimed vig, they would have just killed gamma, else it's more or less gamethrowing...so I think we still have to trust gamma?

I think everyone should claim before gamma outs his result.

[catboi]

I feel as though there's no reason for him to claim first, unless we think for some reason he's not town? I'm confused why he wasn't shot, but i guess SK and mafia thought the other PRs were more of a threat?

[catboi]

Not guaranteed 3:1:1, since one of the kills could have been scum, but we play as if it is.

I'll go ahead and claim VT.

[catboi]

I'll respond to both at once. I wanted to see if the dietician was dead or if you were going to make a false claim about who you ate.

I know Pob is going to claim VT because I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked Taylor Swift/DGB both nights. The reason I returned to them last night was because there were only 2 kills N1 and I thought I'd gotten lucky.

Gamma, who of the other 3 is the VT? The other two are scum factions.
You also have to No Kill tn unless we read everything incredibly so that town can have a chance with 3 ppl left tomorrow.

Why didn't you push that slot on day 2 if you thought it was possibly a blocked kill?

[catboi]

well johnny isn't town so that's a problem

why'd you think this?
I ate johnny because he seemed like a consensus SR from what I remembered

I thought in general he was playing at the level of background noise, staying out of the way of really pushing anyone, and I didn't like the way his read on Thomas progressed. Day 2 he just seemed to pop in and add momentum to the triforce wagon and not really do much else. Unfortunate result, but I don't really regret saying that.

I'm not really trusting of Aristophanes's claim, but in terms of play, at least, I do think he looks better than chkflip and pob long, who both fell into the "saying just enough to make me not want to kill them" category. The fact that gamma wasn't shot, at least, implies that guillotina was not the roleblocker. I think probably right now pob seems to most suspicious to me.

[catboi]

well johnny isn't town so that's a problem

why'd you think this?
I ate johnny because he seemed like a consensus SR from what I remembered

I thought in general he was playing at the level of background noise, staying out of the way of really pushing anyone, and I didn't like the way his read on Thomas progressed. Day 2 he just seemed to pop in and add momentum to the triforce wagon and not really do much else. Unfortunate result, but I don't really regret saying that.

I'm not really trusting of Aristophanes's claim, but in terms of play, at least, I do think he looks better than chkflip and pob long, who both fell into the "saying just enough to make me not want to kill them" category. The fact that gamma wasn't shot, at

least, implies that guillotina was not the roleblocker. I think probably

right now pob seems to most suspicious to me.

why

Scum didn't shoot the claimed vig last night, and the only plausible explanation is that they were hunting for other PRs (or attempting to cross-kill, but that seems like it'd be a very bad strategy)

[catboi]

Why would you vote no elim on 3:1:1?

[catboi]

Tbh I wasn’t entirely aware of that, but even then last time I did the town-leader thing I led almost all 4 miselims
So there’s a bit of trepidation there yaknow?

Ultimately you're going to be a decisive vote anyway so you need to think about it.

I'm not sure pob's confidence is particularly AI, as scum here I think he'd

need

to push on the roleblocker claim if he believes it to be legitimate. I also...don't...really...townread...anything from him.

What are the chk/bm anti-associatives?

Also want to hear from Ari on what his reads are.

[catboi]

Basically nothing between BM and chk at all which would make me think they could be teamed, but one weakly anti-aligned thing between plus and chk. I can't say I'd strongly bet the game on it, but...


On the other hand, Battle Mage definitely tried to get pob long killed a lot, so he's very unlikely the second mafia. I feel like he could be SK though?

[catboi]

This is me not hammering you, Aristopants.

[catboi]

Now mind giving a

real

read?


I don't really think it'd be particularly hard for pob long to play like this as scum and if anything the hard lurk would be pretty beneficial in a setup like this - the loudest voices get nightkilled.

[catboi]

That's true, quickhammering doesn't necessarily mean anything but I have every incentive to just go against you here as scum. I find it interesting you're both townreading pob. FMPOV, if there ARE 2 scum alive, at least one of chk/pob is one of them, which is why them both being against you makes me hesitate quite a bit.

[catboi]

Clearing Gamma as town pr is okay.
Clearing Astropants as town pr is not.

I agree with this. I'm not clearing him based on his claim. I do think it's at least interesting here that at E-1, he didn't just push back onto pob long, which would have been the easy way out, but townread him for what he was doing.

I just had a thought, going to look back real quick.

[catboi]

I cannot for the life of me figure out who here kills drippinggoofball as scum with her havin 6 posts.

I thought reading the reads of people who were killed might give something, but nope. The closest is that DoubtingThomas said it might be worth eliminating pob long on a future day. He had expressed townreads on both Ari and chk so I can't see either killing him for that reason, unless he was PR. I CAN see pob-sk killing off battle mage N1 since he was one of the few people wanting to get rid of pb on day 1.

I kind of think Ari-scum fights harder here if there are votes against him? I'm going to reread everyone real quickly, I realize time's short here.

[catboi]

This interaction between BM and Catboi seems a little staged almost. Like the "I townread you but you're cagey and not throwing shade" bit is weird and lets Catboi have an easy follow-up with where he interestingly doesn't give a read on BM? Also, starting both sections f the post saying it's hard to explain/do and then explaining/doing exactly what is asked feels like giving oneself an easy out.

I get why you'd think that, but it's just not the case. Scum can ask townies their reads on other people all the time. I think if I really were partnered with BM, I would be a little more deliberate in making sure I gave a read on him? But I don't really have an excuse, I thought the slot was town from plusjoyed's content. I think I mostly ignored his fight with DT because it just seemed like neither was saying anything worthwhile. Maybe if I were a better player I would have been able to see that BM was being scummy, I don't know

I'm not fond of the jumo onto Noraa so quickly at the start of D2 either. I mean, the point needed to be made about assuming the kills and whatnot, but I really dislike the "shade and wait" they are performing here. As if to see whether people would vote there before doing it.

I don't have an excuse, my read there wasn't good, but I did think they were scummy for the way they pushed gamma because gamma was very towny to me and their arguments against him were bad. I reconsidered when the wagon pushed them close to elimination as I thought they were getting more towny, but the game was pretty much on autopilot by that point. I thought Johnny was scum instead for his minimal contribution and sheepvote.

[catboi]

I CAN see pob-sk killing off battle mage N1 since he was one of the few people wanting to get rid of pb on day 1.

I claimed the bm kill so I hope your suggesting me and pob both targeted BM n1

Yeah, that's what I'm speculating. One of the possibilities for the missing kill is that two of the shots were on the same target, and that makes sense to me.

[catboi]

Ari I appreciate you trying to solve here even if you're wrong on me. I will not be hammering you. I'm going to vote pob long. I understand he's a gimmick and is had to read because of it but I'm not okay with losing to someone who's played like he has and he doesn't seem as town as either you or chk.

[catboi]

Also I went back to iso pob long and found this:

Sorry Thomas, but i understood it as “there is no way you are town”, ne never townread you there.

ah ok then sorry. but also he yet continues to misrepresent my stances,

as that was one of many other reasons i've already been scum reading him for

it's sad people try to pretend they've read my posts when

it's clear

the thoughts they can have about my slot

shouldn't be rea

l if they've actually read my posts..

doubling Thomas looked like town to me first but his talk with Battle Mage looked really bad Especially this post that sounds really scummy because his arguing that peoples thoughts arnt real or shouldnt be real but theyre real.

Which is certainly...a post.

[catboi]

More than half of pob long's posts in this game have come during this day phase. Suddenly he's gotten very active.

p-edit: Still very funny, though~

[catboi]

VOTE: pob long

[catboi]

They were a VT. Maybe they were baiting the NK. Maybe it was some weird noob shit. I don't know.

I'm inclined to think this is more possible now than I did before, because [redacted]

[catboi]

I am kind of worried after seeing chain of command

[catboi]

For the record, if I were mafia, I would always hammer Astropants there, because if there is any chance his claim is real, I probably won't be able to win with him alive in the game.

I do think chk is more likely to be the mafia, though. Ari is less likely to no-kill and leave gamma alive because it makes it harder for him to win (he has to be the most townread out of all 3 of us, rather than just winning a 1v1 with one of us and the other decising)

[catboi]

VOTE: chkflip

[catboi]

Tbh I felt really bad about limming you after the fact and the questions you asked when pleading with me really struck a chord. I was just on a hellpath so I did what I did. Alas.

I felt terrible about it too because I stopped thinking he was scum but didn't have a good second option...In hindsight, should've voted pob long, but at the time it felt like there wasn't much chance on them. :< Least I wa right on Gamma-DT-Guillo town.

Wait was chk DT?
LMFAO
so PlusvDT was SvS?

PFFFFFFT

nah, chk replaced LLD, DT got et on night 2