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Idk peta, I’m still considering but I do think your play today strategically serves you much more as town
Dave and lili are both scummy, no? And either one flipping would confirm me as town (basically)
Yet you’re voting me, despite having had a pretty strong TR on me earlier in the game
So it’s like, your position has changed and also very much serves what I think a scum agenda would be here (miseliminate the town leader before they can get cred from flipping scum)"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I guess? But if you know you'd be voting him in lylo, then you must already have solid reasoning on why he's scum, so you might as well share that reasoning now rather than waiting until then. Same goes for lilith.In post 3370, Menalque wrote:Oh I mean more
Like I’m very confident Dave is scum
But he won’t be confscum unless we’re crossvoting in lylo
Ya feel?
I agree that their dayplay has been pretty gross, but town is perfectly capable of playing like that. And they both have mechanical reasons that make them townier, and killing one of them today brings us no closer to solving the redirector group which given how screwed-up it is could be the key to solving this game.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Also your BoP on peta is terrible. The situations are quite different.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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i see literally 0 reason she or any team here would deliberately nokill an so i'm not going to vote her thereIn post 3374, Menalque wrote:I’m trying to say that either lili no killed or scum tried to kill me, actually
if you think i'm scum i see no reason i shouldn't be the optimal flip today over them except if you're afraid me being green comes back on your headfree crypto-
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Uh, any of you going green comes back on me badly lmao?In post 3365, Menalque wrote:Peta is maybe the Maori correctly mechanically
And I acknowledged you’re prob the best mechanically today"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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i don't find lilith towny on play but on actions it seems highly unlikely she's scum and so when i know one of {you, infinity, smart} is scum and you keep trying to flip heri'm gonna find that suspiciousIn post 3375, Menalque wrote:Idk peta, I’m still considering but I do think your play today strategically serves you much more as town
Dave and lili are both scummy, no? And either one flipping would confirm me as town (basically)
Yet you’re voting me, despite having had a pretty strong TR on me earlier in the game
So it’s like, your position has changed and also very much serves what I think a scum agenda would be here (miseliminate the town leader before they can get cred from flipping scum)free crypto-
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petapan Survivor
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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The fact that Infinity is townreading Menalque is throwing me for a loop. If not for that I would want to execute Menalque and sheep him to the end of the earth if he flips town, but that feels disrespectful to Infinity.
Occam's razor says that Infinity's townread for dubious reasons is just erroneous (even if correct, Menalque himself admitted that the reasons weren't that good).It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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This is like a super scummy thing to say and I am doubtful as to whether I should be trusting skitter on you to the extent that I amIn post 3383, Something_Smart wrote:I would want to execute Menalque and sheep him to the end of the earth"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I mean, I didn’t go out looking for it? I was reading the death curse dead thread for fun and you happened to be in it, and I can’t help connecting the two things in my brainIn post 3382, petapan wrote:and again this doesn't answer the question of why you're trying to meta/BoP me off a fucking spectator thread and not an actual game"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Objectively it isn't because I use that mode of thinking all the time.In post 3384, Menalque wrote:This is like a super scummy thing to say and I am doubtful as to whether I should be trusting skitter on you to the extent that I amIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Fwiw, it would bring us closer to solving the redirector group if Dave flips redirector?In post 3376, Something_Smart wrote:I agree that their dayplay has been pretty gross, but town is perfectly capable of playing like that. And they both have mechanical reasons that make them townier, and killing one of them today brings us no closer to solving the redirector group which given how screwed-up it is could be the key to solving this game."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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That's true. But I don't think that's likely.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That’s not at all persuasive because in this *particular* instance that line of thinking allows you to support killing town!me and to then use the place where I’m wrong (my townread on you and not having you in the PoE) to target one of the two townies who *are* in there for the winIn post 3388, Something_Smart wrote:
Objectively it isn't because I use that mode of thinking all the time.In post 3384, Menalque wrote:This is like a super scummy thing to say and I am doubtful as to whether I should be trusting skitter on you to the extent that I am"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Yeah, it’s disconcerting isn’t it?In post 3390, Something_Smart wrote:That's true. But I don't think that's likely."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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I mean as town it allows me to support killing town-you and then use the place where you're right to target the scum for hopefully a win. It also potentially allows me to support killing scum-you.In post 3391, Menalque wrote:That’s not at all persuasive because in this *particular* instance that line of thinking allows you to support killing town!me and to then use the place where I’m wrong (my townread on you and not having you in the PoE) to target one of the two townies who *are* in there for the win
"Person X doing Action Y is scummy because Action Y benefits them if they are scum" is not compelling if Action Y also benefits them if they are town. It's like asking the other two people to crossvote in 3p lylo. Yeah you get to hammer if you're scum, but you also get to hammer if you're town.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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...That's actually the most plausible argument for lilith-scum I've heard so far.In post 3393, Menalque wrote:I will laugh my ass off if it’s as simple as scum forgot to submit a kill in the official way or somethingIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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*shrug* When your strong gut townreads aren't wrong, you tend to trust them after a while.In post 3383, Something_Smart wrote:Occam's razor says that Infinity's townread for dubious reasons is just erroneous (even if correct, Menalque himself admitted that the reasons weren't that good).-
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Sure. But there's a first time for everything.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Yeah but that doesn’t change the perception of it, which is why you shouldn’t do it. Yeah, technically, it could come from either — but it’s a worse idea to do it as scum because the two town will both look funny at itIn post 3394, Something_Smart wrote:"Person X doing Action Y is scummy because Action Y benefits them if they are scum" is not compelling if Action Y also benefits them if they are town. It's like asking the other two people to crossvote in 3p lylo. Yeah you get to hammer if you're scum, but you also get to hammer if you're town."we knew everything... And we knew nothing."-
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Idk, I just think it’s more likely that peta/Dave are doing a weird gambit than that infinity is scum at this point
Maybe I get egg all over my face, and honestly I do have heebies because it seems so high risk/low reward and maybe I should be pushing S_S/infinity here but like... just seems so fucky that Dave and peta are claiming in such a way that it tries to get them out of the shit mechanically, and they’re both pushing town, and I imagine they can see ways they win tomorrow (e.g. hoopla seems p amenable to S_S)"we knew everything... And we knew nothing."
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