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[Menalque]

Idk peta, I’m still considering but I do think your play today strategically serves you much more as town

Dave and lili are both scummy, no? And either one flipping would confirm me as town (basically)

Yet you’re voting me, despite having had a pretty strong TR on me earlier in the game

So it’s like, your position has changed and also very much serves what I think a scum agenda would be here (miseliminate the town leader before they can get cred from flipping scum)

[Something_Smart]

Oh I mean more

Like I’m very confident Dave is scum

But he won’t be confscum unless we’re crossvoting in lylo

Ya feel?

I guess? But if you know you'd be voting him in lylo, then you must already have solid reasoning on why he's scum, so you might as well share that reasoning now rather than waiting until then. Same goes for lilith.

I agree that their dayplay has been pretty gross, but town is perfectly capable of playing like that. And they both have mechanical reasons that make them townier, and killing one of them today brings us no closer to solving the redirector group which given how screwed-up it is could be the key to solving this game.

[Something_Smart]

Also your BoP on peta is terrible. The situations are quite different.

[petapan]

I’m trying to say that either lili no killed or scum tried to kill me, actually

i see literally 0 reason she or any team here would deliberately nokill an so i'm not going to vote her there

if you think i'm scum i see no reason i shouldn't be the optimal flip today over them except if you're afraid me being green comes back on your head

[Menalque]

Peta is maybe the Maori correctly mechanically

Uh, any of you going green comes back on me badly lmao?

And I acknowledged you’re prob the best mechanically today

[petapan]

Idk peta, I’m still considering but I do think your play today strategically serves you much more as town

Dave and lili are both scummy, no? And either one flipping would confirm me as town (basically)

Yet you’re voting me, despite having had a pretty strong TR on me earlier in the game

So it’s like, your position has changed and also very much serves what I think a scum agenda would be here (miseliminate the town leader before they can get cred from flipping scum)

i don't find lilith towny on play but on actions it seems highly unlikely she's scum and so when i know one of {you, infinity, smart} is scum and you keep trying to flip heri'm gonna find that suspicious

[petapan]

prior to today i would've had smart as scummier than you or infinity but then you both started getting weird

[petapan]

and again this doesn't answer the question of why you're trying to meta/BoP me off a fucking spectator thread and not an actual game

[Something_Smart]

The fact that Infinity is townreading Menalque is throwing me for a loop. If not for that I would want to execute Menalque and sheep him to the end of the earth if he flips town, but that feels disrespectful to Infinity.

Occam's razor says that Infinity's townread for dubious reasons is just erroneous (even if correct, Menalque himself admitted that the reasons weren't that good).

[Menalque]

I would want to execute Menalque and sheep him to the end of the earth

This is like a super scummy thing to say and I am doubtful as to whether I should be trusting skitter on you to the extent that I am

[Menalque]

and again this doesn't answer the question of why you're trying to meta/BoP me off a fucking spectator thread and not an actual game

I mean, I didn’t go out looking for it? I was reading the death curse dead thread for fun and you happened to be in it, and I can’t help connecting the two things in my brain

[Menalque]

Ahhhhhh this game feels like a loss tbh

[Menalque]

We deserve it tho

[Something_Smart]

This is like a super scummy thing to say and I am doubtful as to whether I should be trusting skitter on you to the extent that I am

Objectively it isn't because I use that mode of thinking all the time.

[Menalque]

I agree that their dayplay has been pretty gross, but town is perfectly capable of playing like that. And they both have mechanical reasons that make them townier, and killing one of them today brings us no closer to solving the redirector group which given how screwed-up it is could be the key to solving this game.

Fwiw, it would bring us closer to solving the redirector group if Dave flips redirector?

[Something_Smart]

That's true. But I don't think that's likely.

[Menalque]

This is like a super scummy thing to say and I am doubtful as to whether I should be trusting skitter on you to the extent that I am

Objectively it isn't because I use that mode of thinking all the time.

That’s not at all persuasive because in this *particular* instance that line of thinking allows you to support killing town!me and to then use the place where I’m wrong (my townread on you and not having you in the PoE) to target one of the two townies who *are* in there for the win

[Menalque]

That's true. But I don't think that's likely.

Yeah, it’s disconcerting isn’t it?

[Menalque]

I agree it’s unlikely but like, something is super fucked up this game

I will laugh my ass off if it’s as simple as scum forgot to submit a kill in the official way or something

Although I feel like ducky would have poked them so this seems unlikely

[Something_Smart]

That’s not at all persuasive because in this *particular* instance that line of thinking allows you to support killing town!me and to then use the place where I’m wrong (my townread on you and not having you in the PoE) to target one of the two townies who *are* in there for the win

I mean as town it allows me to support killing town-you and then use the place where you're right to target the scum for hopefully a win. It also potentially allows me to support killing scum-you.

"Person X doing Action Y is scummy because Action Y benefits them if they are scum" is not compelling if Action Y also benefits them if they are town. It's like asking the other two people to crossvote in 3p lylo. Yeah you get to hammer if you're scum, but you also get to hammer if you're town.

[Something_Smart]

I will laugh my ass off if it’s as simple as scum forgot to submit a kill in the official way or something

...That's actually the most plausible argument for lilith-scum I've heard so far.

[Infinity 324]

Occam's razor says that Infinity's townread for dubious reasons is just erroneous (even if correct, Menalque himself admitted that the reasons weren't that good).

*shrug* When your strong gut townreads aren't wrong, you tend to trust them after a while.

[Something_Smart]

Sure. But there's a first time for everything.

[Menalque]

"Person X doing Action Y is scummy because Action Y benefits them if they are scum" is not compelling if Action Y also benefits them if they are town. It's like asking the other two people to crossvote in 3p lylo. Yeah you get to hammer if you're scum, but you also get to hammer if you're town.

Yeah but that doesn’t change the perception of it, which is why you shouldn’t do it. Yeah, technically, it could come from either — but it’s a worse idea to do it as scum because the two town will both look funny at it

[Menalque]

Idk, I just think it’s more likely that peta/Dave are doing a weird gambit than that infinity is scum at this point

Maybe I get egg all over my face, and honestly I do have heebies because it seems so high risk/low reward and maybe I should be pushing S_S/infinity here but like... just seems so fucky that Dave and peta are claiming in such a way that it tries to get them out of the shit mechanically, and they’re both pushing town, and I imagine they can see ways they win tomorrow (e.g. hoopla seems p amenable to S_S)