Silent Star 3: Royalty

[TheGoldenParadox]

hopkirk is painfully obvtown and anyone not seeing this should be launched into oblivion

Flea The Magician- Don't let the name fool you, Flea is really more of a sorcerer.

Ydrasse- With both Flea and Ydrasse around its sure to be a magical game.

Sorcery happens in a flash, magic takes time and effort.

Basically I buy the pre-made tricks and just make them look good


Heeeey Ydrasse, no clue who you are but this seems promising already


VOTE: Hopkirk - You almost made a reference, but failed.

hate this

ydrasse you're supposed to make a joke or personable comment this is

mafia

there are

rules

infinity looks town here

first!

I’d like to hear from Taylor as soon as possible that she isn’t going to make mean statements like that any more.

i never said anything that wasnt true. i AM cuter than you. and i WONT apologize. cant handle it? maybe this isnt the game for you.
VOTE: hopkirk for being needy and not accepting me as the cutest.

VOTE: taylor for this terrible vote and the "cutest" shit is not town

i suggest launching taylor and flea today

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We should all marry each other and commit to limming one pair of lovers each day phase

yeah okay infinity is town

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hmm isis's focus on me being serious in rvs is weird but that's a recent playstyle thing of mine and i think more information can be gleaned out of a few opening posts, specifically interactions, and i am liking hopkirk's posting enough to townlean him; both taylor and flea felt off at that point but my flea read is now at dead null

did not know gloria was an alt but that explains a bit
hmm VOTE: isis that's a really off thing to focus on your part

pedit: jesus christ this game is moving fast

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pedit: jesus christ this game is moving fast

can you explain this comment?

your answer might determine if you live or die here.

wrote up the post in a couple minutes
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i think the entire concept of a d1 townbloc is flawed, although the relative naturalness of it makes me question it far less. gypyx and gloria look town, as do ydrasse and infinity. i'm really going back and forth on pooky, but settling in on a slight townlean on them. hopkirk is still town, and i'm much less confident in isis, so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better.

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Why is gypyx town?

+1

@TGP

what a good question? gypyx, in short, is town because his posts go against the grain, in a way that makes him stick out as attempting to actively look at the game and understand it. here's a quote from RC that i think fits this:

3) People who have really out there reads, stick out too much, don't agree with the generally established townblock, and want to do their own thing which people don't largely disagree with get lynched incredibly consistently. They also incredibly consistently flip town.

because i feel like gypyx is doing a lot of this atm.

Hello y'all i'm a jester

VOTE: Gloria i just realized your name wasn't "gloria clearly"

let's start with the opening post, which is often a way to get a lot more information than you'd think about a player's alignment. the jester claim is nai for a player who's playstyle and persona is more casual and shitposty, like gypyx, but this vote is good; in general, this post doesn't look overthought like a scum post would.

i think

do you think it is important how long it was from game going up to game start? do you think it is important that there were immediately four confirms?

i think it doesn't matter, what about you?

again we see both interaction in the form of responding to questions as well as actual takes. admittedly this isn't like a townspew post, but it's part of a pattern of posts by gypyx that just make me see him as town.

maybe like the groupscum got to make choices before other peoples received their role PM's? PM's took quite some time to be sent too from what i recall

if gypyx was scum, and this was true, he would never make this post. this seems like town speculation rather than scum speculation to me.

Hey i thought about something, maybe we'll have a dance mechanic? It would fit with the theme / kinda with the fact that we're starting with 2 exes (like peoples pick a partner, they become neighbour + lover)

Pedit : wear

again - genuine mechanical play from gypyx that doesn't look at all like either scum trying to get towncred from knowing about this or scum trying to mislead the town into this. it looks like he is actually working on trying to figure out the mechanics of this game from an uninformed perspective.

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what a good question!

ebwop

"Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum"

What does this quote mean Gypyx?

Basically, i found that scum tends to try to say stuff that they know is true when they can, so if scum did in fact made choices pregame, i lean strongly towards scum!jessie

using mechanical speculation and locking himself to some extent into a scumread on jessie if his mechanical speculation is correct. gypyx is never scum with jessie here.

Basically, i found that scum tends to try to say stuff that they know is true when they can, so if scum did in fact made choices pregame, i lean strongly towards scum!jessie

why would scum say something they know that the town doesn't know?

Idk it's just a pattern that i've noticed, like i guess it could be that they want to be "the guy who was right" or smthing

And generally, you notice more easily the stuff that's wrong when it's linked to information you know

and finally, i really like this from gypyx, because unless he's been working this entire time to drop key pieces of scum information in a WIFOM play, if his mechanical speculation is correct, it calls HIMSELF out.

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i think gloria is town as well, because she looks like she is making a concerted effort to ask questions, not get locked into town reads, not be pocketed, and generally look at the game from as neutral of a standpoint she can.

scumleaning on trq, because their content is largely setup speculation based off of no information rather than reads. they have 47 posts, and look to be engaging with other players, but refuse to read them which i feel points to scum except in specific situations, specific situations not being day 1 of a silent star game.

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specific situations not being day 1 of a silent star game

glad we have an expert on silent star games (this post mostly for isis)

obviously i'm not an expert on silent star games and i haven't played one, but ONLY setup speccing on d1 with literally no information on a game that is known to be complex and have twists and turns without a single read on a player in the game is terrible.

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isn't this:
In post 413, Gypyx wrote:
Why think about recruiting specifically?

just like a super towny post? would rather here more about why gypyx isn't town from pooky

oh okay, i missed this, actually. i still think it's unfortunate that you don't have reads on most players in the game but i like this post so i'm putting you at null for right now. i really need reads from you though because you have 47 posts and 1 read on my count.

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You feel very nullish. What are your reads looking like Jessie?

i do feel nullish to me as well. no particularly strong reads, just some thoughts/feelings. dunnstral wants me to place a vote so i will get on this shortly.

the only person i really feel you've expressed an actual read on is gypyx from this point on?

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That's a weird thing to say.

I may have worded it weird.

I think his post is blatantly bad in that after not posting for 400 posts he looks, sees me voting him, and naked votes me by saying my slot has always been bad

And their is general low-effort coming from them to try to get a good scumread

i mean, it really isn't? i've been scumreading your slot from the start, and you have done absolutely nothing to make it townier.

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VOTE: taylor for this terrible vote and the "cutest" shit is not town

said this at the start of the game, but this is worth repeating. the vote was poor, the justification was poor, the entire post surrounding it didn't seem like "town naturally trying to enter rvs.

MT! Why are you and Infinity voting for my slot

this is a nullscum question to ask in rvs when you could have just... read the posts?

Hey Dunn, how come you're now the lone vote on a wagon

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

I read their 4 post iso, this seems acceptable

no reasoning for this vote, at all. i'm being attacked for my vote on dunn but i explained my thoughts on the slot at the beginning of the game, where as dunn all but naked votes me.

i think the entire concept of a d1 townbloc is flawed, although the relative naturalness of it makes me question it far less. gypyx and gloria look town, as do ydrasse and infinity. i'm really going back and forth on pooky, but settling in on a slight townlean on them. hopkirk is still town, and i'm much less confident in isis, so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better.

I don't think TGP is town and this post deserves pressure

again, stating the read without actual reasons until it was questioned later.

That's a weird thing to say.

I may have worded it weird.

I think his post is blatantly bad in that after not posting for 400 posts he looks, sees me voting him, and naked votes me by saying my slot has always been bad

And their is general low-effort coming from them to try to get a good scumread

i'm really confused as how you're attacking me as low-effort and naked voting when... you did almost the exact same thing to me?

i find it incredibly interesting that i'm attacked for low-effort voting dunn without a significant amount of reasoning but dunn is not attacked for the exact same thing, which makes me incredibly suspicious that at least one of the people using that line of reasoning are simply chainsawing on an easy argument.

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okay i've accepted i'm going to be limmed and i ask that y'all give me a chance to look at my reads before hammering me

here is what you should take from my townflip

gypyx is always town here
dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)

[TheGoldenParadox]

i've towncased gypyx pretty well imho

my scumcase on dunn is admittedly less evidence based but there is a strong opening post/gutread on that slot and i ask you take it into consideration

[TheGoldenParadox]

i'm not jester lol
like as much as i'm getting scumread this game, if i wanted to be eliminated d1, it would be incredibly easy for me to just.. get limmed d1 because i have to make real conscious effort in every game against that as both alignments so i could just.. not

[TheGoldenParadox]

infinity, you're town, right? can i just sheep you? VOTE: skitter

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hm. still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum. i was going to locktown jessie and then i saw the whole jester thing and now i'm just confused. i'm

vt

, so i have no idea what she's trying to do there.

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i think infinity is town here.

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yeah okay so my townlist (aka never fucking eliminate them ever ever ever unless there is a mechanical guilty on them and i doubt that happens) is {gypyx, infinity}

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oh wait, add hopkirk to that as well.

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yeah, that's my conclusion i think. {gypyx, infinity, hopkirk} are definitely completely always town. i'm a vt and limbait so it doesn't /particularly/ matter if i get eliminated, although i hope my townflip is informative. i think skitter is the best lim tomorrow based off infinity and isis' posting (the latter who i don't have as locktown but presents fairly good arguments against skitter anyways)

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gloria gloria gloria :^( i am town

[TheGoldenParadox]

gloria gloria gloria :^( i am town

Why did you drop your trs on me and Ydrasse?

i didn't
you're still town
just not locktown

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Why are me and hopkirk town?

you're town because like it's crazy painfully obvious that you are approaching the game from a perspective of trying to solve and scumhunt as best you can and i can see your read progressions pretty transparently

hopkirk is more gut but i get such ridiculous townpings from every single one of their posts it's ridiculous

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hm. still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum. i was going to locktown jessie and then i saw the whole jester thing and now i'm just confused. i'm

vt

, so i have no idea what she's trying to do there.

why'd the jester thing make you dislike jessie? or confused on her anyway

it seemed like an incredibly awkward thing to focus on when an elimination was close, and to me, the beginning felt like an original, genuine thought process but the amount of thought and time jessie tried to spend on it felt overblown and fake. to be completely honest, i suspect jessie is a 3p of some sort.

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flea, i know you had questions for me: can you quote them because i kind of glazed over them originally

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From #888 and quished down.
What was wrong with my and taylors entry?

Essentially, your entry felt forced. Hopkirk's joking around about sorcery and magic and all was natural, and they gave a review of everyone in the playerlist that gave people an incredibly good talking point to begin with and allowed for interactions in low information stage. You responded to that in a way that seemed nervous and jokey and that I didn't love. taylor's entry was problematic because she essentially "attacked" hopkirk in a way that felt overly aggressive and uncharacteristic for what i've seen of taylor, and it created fluff and continued a conversation that was unproductive and did not allow for real further interactions.

Could you break down what flags as good or bad to you in an entry post?

Honestly, it really depends on the player. Using extreme examples, someone like N_M has the exact same entry post every time, but someone like mastina (from what i've seen) has entry posts that profess genuine reads on every player that has posted so far. For a player I don't know (like you), a townie entry post would be a post that makes good observations, seems genuine, and/or tries to get out of low information stage, while a scummy entry post would be a post that seems forced, excessively random, an attempt to not tie yourself to your own vote, etc.

Could you explain your Isis vote in #277

Yeah, essentially I thought she was overfocusing on ONE specific thing I did instead of looking at content that had been given by people in general, and attacked me for being serious in RVS in a way that I thought was scum-motivated. She expanded and has been posting better lately, so she's nulltown.

What's a quick rundown of your reads list? We know your townlist, but little else.

town: gypyx, infinity, hopkirk
townlean: ydrasse, gloria, morning tweet, pooky
nulltown: jessie, isis
nullscum: flea
scumlean: dunn
scum: skitter

Why the defense of gypyx?

I feel like gypyx gets scumread far too often as town, and is a generally LHF type player, who i didn't want to see limmed because of how obvtown he was to me

Why so keen on Taylor/Dunn?

What little content they have, I've scumread quite a bit (as explained above), but to be totally honest I've reevaluated and they don't have enough content for them to be lockscum. skitter is worse for the reasons that have already been pointed out and like, ISOing her, she doesn't feel town in the way that I think town!her should; I don't really see the town motivation in her posts. also, my scumread on skitter is compounded by [redacted]

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i mean i think half my wagon is already scum :^p

[TheGoldenParadox]

i'm sorry i don't understand why everyone thinks i've lost my dunn scumread they're still a scumlean

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If I haven’t done a damn thing to be tr like Gypyx

i hate this
i hate this i hate this i hate this
gloria you're amazing but just... this general sentiment i hate so much
just because you think someone hasn't done something to be townread doesn't mean other players don't either see things you don't or recognize patterns that you don't or just generally play differently than you in a way that lets them locktown another player because in my eyes gypyx is absolutely completely locktown

and just this general sense, this general gamestate, i'm so frustrated with so i don't know what to say
i would case skitter but clearly there's absolutely no point in doing so because i'm the elim anyways so just lim me and get it over with

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like, no one will give a single shit about what I have to say after i'm dead, and i'm obviously dying today, so uh yeah good luck on your miselim town. get skitter tomorrow.

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If I haven’t done a damn thing to be tr like Gypyx

i hate this
i hate this i hate this i hate this
gloria you're amazing but just... this general sentiment i hate so much
just because you think someone hasn't done something to be townread doesn't mean other players don't either see things you don't or recognize patterns that you don't or just generally play differently than you in a way that lets them locktown another player because in my eyes gypyx is absolutely completely locktown

and just this general sense, this general gamestate, i'm so frustrated with so i don't know what to say
i would case skitter but clearly there's absolutely no point in doing so because i'm the elim anyways so just lim me and get it over with

Why weren’t you this emotional in Hideyoshi? I begged and pleaded with you guys to get off Hellbrooks and I don’t recall you giving a fuck about that.

i like, genuinely apologize here because that was not an outburst i needed to post but like i wasn't nearly as frustrated in that game
and i'm not even sure why i'm getting frustrated but it feels like scum is driving an elim on me and then town is getting on it for ??? reasons so i just feel like while i have done genuinely scummy things this game i'm not being elimmed for those
poor read progressions are generally nai for me i think
frustration is also pretty nai
the thing is that i don't really have a scum meta outside of one game where i died n1 and barely posted and a game of WNAF so there's little basis for comparison, which means that trying to use my town meta alone to provide evidence that i'm scum is questionable at best
the dunn wagon is good and their response to it is like. absolutely terrible so i'm going to reiso him and for now VOTE: dunn

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VOTE: dunstal

go away sweaty

what is this reaction ??
while TERRIBLE, this actually feels like a reaction slightly more likely to come from town than scum because scum wouldn't risk that kind of reaction, although in dunn's case from what i've seen of them they don't really care about that so it's fairly NAI

i think it really might be tgp/dunn

it feels like tgp was ok being elimd if it would give dunn some cred

then they changed tack to target skitter

and now its hard lamist AtE when we call out their change on Dunn.

I'm also incredibly optimistically wrong in horrible ways so im not placing like great odds on this but I don't see myself being willing to like TR TGP at some point given what they are doing.

Don't pin this on me for what TGP is doing. Why aren't we voting HIM out then?

this is an... off reaction to pressure because he's trying to deflect back onto the main wagon

I'm town though, and everyone hopping off of tgp here looks quite bad?

We have two elims today.

what are you implying with this post?

sounds like you know what TGP will flip

I have my reasons for voting him, they're in my iso

i'm inclined to agree with pooky that dunn knows what i will flip (although, obviously, that's town instead of scum like pooky thinks)
dunn hasn't made any tmi slips, but they state things in a way that i don't necessarily think is coming from town

What is a towny reaction then?

im not here to teach you how to play your red pm

That's not what you'd be doing

You'd be explaining your read

also like... nullish/maybe slightly towny

@Dunn, are you town? Can you give me a readslist?

I'm half-following the game right now, was kind of waiting for tgb to be elimmed so we had something to go off of. The way Pooky is pushing me right now doesn't feel right in the sense that their points don't make any sense and they're acting like they have something. Hopkirk I don't like. Isis is towny from what I've seen

translation: "i'm scum coasting, waiting for a townie to get mislimmed"

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You decided my response was terrible before reading my posts

no i decided your response was terrible before isoing you obviously i read the thread

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is he TMIing TGP town?

so confusing lol

yeah okay this is a town response to 1475

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Gloria have you noticed that TGP sheeped Infinity on Skitter but isn't sheeping Infinity on Dunnstral when TGP had a scum-lean on dunnstral to begin with?

V curious :3

If I haven’t done a damn thing to be tr like Gypyx

i hate this
i hate this i hate this i hate this
gloria you're amazing but just... this general sentiment i hate so much
just because you think someone hasn't done something to be townread doesn't mean other players don't either see things you don't or recognize patterns that you don't or just generally play differently than you in a way that lets them locktown another player because in my eyes gypyx is absolutely completely locktown

and just this general sense, this general gamestate, i'm so frustrated with so i don't know what to say
i would case skitter but clearly there's absolutely no point in doing so because i'm the elim anyways so just lim me and get it over with

Why weren’t you this emotional in Hideyoshi? I begged and pleaded with you guys to get off Hellbrooks and I don’t recall you giving a fuck about that.

i like, genuinely apologize here because that was not an outburst i needed to post but like i wasn't nearly as frustrated in that game
and i'm not even sure why i'm getting frustrated but it feels like scum is driving an elim on me and then town is getting on it for ??? reasons so i just feel like while i have done genuinely scummy things this game i'm not being elimmed for those
poor read progressions are generally nai for me i think
frustration is also pretty nai
the thing is that i don't really have a scum meta outside of one game where i died n1 and barely posted and a game of WNAF so there's little basis for comparison, which means that trying to use my town meta alone to provide evidence that i'm scum is questionable at best
the dunn wagon is good and their response to it is like. absolutely terrible so i'm going to reiso him and for now VOTE: dunn

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okay i'm really wavering on infinity now
powerlim dunn next phase when i flip green, please. never ever ever ever eliminate them unless there is a mechguilty or something of that nature. that's my super detailed readslist.

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oh my GOD i meant never ever ever eliminate GYPYX not fucking dunn i feel stupid