Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

[Noraa]

the vast majority are... chatty.

Cobra out here exposing my true nature. How dare you.
VOTE: Cobra

[Noraa]

Holy fuck its already page 18?

[Noraa]

*rubs my glasses furiously*
no
effing
way

[Noraa]

Did I miss RVS?
NoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

[Noraa]

Sorry Cabd, no can do. I just got out of class and chem is starting in *squints* 5 minutes :/
After that .......... endless loads of chem hw and I have ten minute piece to memorize. god. fuck me.

[Noraa]

>:(

woah there. That is MY emoji. it be copyrighted >:(

ok I'll catch up after chem. c everyone laters.

[Noraa]

I lied. Im not reading up today. Too many pages. Someone talk to me. I'm here.

[Noraa]

I lied. Im not reading up today. Too many pages. Someone talk to me. I'm here.

Vote cakez.

And I'll carry us to victory.

Ok!
VOTE: Cakey boi

[Noraa]

Now what?

[Noraa]

Do I get some green apple candies?

[Noraa]

Do I get some green apple candies?

You get a day one scumflip AND crabapples. They're bitter but that's the appeal.

ew. crabapples

[Noraa]

im town too btw

wouldn't lie about a serious matter like that

-Nacho

This is clearly an alt made specifically for this game. locktown. I like the name.

[Noraa]

your vote hasn't left me lmfao

Are you scum? My local Crabapple provider says you are.

[Noraa]

Yeah Cabd is my Blade and I am a Driver we have weird role where we always have to link

Can you explain why you made this post?

Is this post a legitimate claim? If yes, someone's trolling.

[Noraa]

oh noraa, in case you missed it, I'm a blade.

good for you?

[Noraa]

it was a joke

is this post that Dunn just mentioned the reason why people SR cake?

[Noraa]

if you're a driver, you have to come and visit me tonight to use my special powers.

I know how this game works -_______-

[Noraa]

do u tho

its just drivers go to blades and drivers pick someone and blades use their magic. that's it right?

[Noraa]

idk i was hoping u would know. i dont read game mechanics.

unacceptable

[Noraa]

Ok I have 14 more minutes until I go off to do most likely a few hours of chem. Any last words for the beautiful Noraa before she departs to her hibernation cave with her pile of hw?

[Noraa]

well ... ig u have 14 minutes to write some beautiful departing poetry for me.

[Noraa]

Ok sure

Cake keeps saying "Ok sure"
is this scum indicative for him?
I dont remember hearing it in Betrayal.

[Noraa]

the bigger discussion here is why Noraa is not giving me any town vibes at all when I usually get them from her immediately

what a lie. in my only game with you, I was town and you SRed me.

[Noraa]

VOTE: LLD

oo I missed this. why?

[Noraa]

i am scared of LLD.

good reason.

[Noraa]

*snip*

Hi grilled cheese provider!
Why is gamma scum?

[Noraa]

Ok I definitely was TRing you by the end of Betrayal
And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

No shit I was TRed there. I nailed scum dead to the ground day 1 and got nk'ed night 1.

[Noraa]

noraa if you'd like a special gift
drive on over, give me a lift
because if you come and visit me
i can give you 1 x elim immunity

why is u so insistent on finding out whether I'm a driver or a blade?

[Noraa]

Ok then how come you just said I SRed you in that game

dude u modded that game. you literally knew my alignment right off the bat.

Im talking about a dang game that you PLAYED in.

Cabd's right. ur scum.

[Noraa]

i'm a blade, but i need a driver

mm I see. add some lollipops into the mix and I'm sure someone'll take ur offer.

[Noraa]

And i'm also using your town meta from the Great Idea game I just modded

[Noraa]

i'll see you tonight

did u get those green apple candies?

[Noraa]

Nora chooses weird things to comment on like they’re playing the lottery and responding to whatever post number comes out of the wheel.

Put this in my ISO. my wiki needs more quotes

[Noraa]

He lifted not one finger to get Tayl0r elimed before we outed the Dethy. He had her in his elim pool, but she wasn't his priority.

Anyway, this is neither here nor there. The here and there are his scumread of you in this game.

dumb this down 50% and maybe I'll understand what ur saying.

[Noraa]

Now that multiple blades have claimed, drivers are overwhelmingly likely to target only those blades who have claimed, meaning any remaining blades who don't claim are effectively choosing to do nothing (I'm still not advocating for all blades to claim, there are alternate solutions to this, such as drivers not doubling up so hard on claimed blades)

yeah this is worrisome.

[Noraa]

Nora’s earlier lists.

I haven't given any reads lists.

[Noraa]

I'm not saying I read you correctly there but I am saying I can recognize your playstyle from it

u have played one game with town me and now ur a Noraa meta expert O_o
okay then.

[Noraa]

Cabd have scumread.

FFery have scumread.

ffery get day one scum lynch.

Cabd sad because cabd scumread stronger role.

Ah this make sense

[Noraa]

Maybe they meant nautical listing. Are you in danger of tilting over and taking on sea water?

*looks around*
hmmm when'd I fall into the ocean?

[Noraa]

keep it up

Ok. It is officially 7 minutes pass my normal hibernating session. Goodbye. Write me beautiful farewell for an hour poems and get me my green apple candy.

[Noraa]

Don't worry about my role because I'm getting shot night one once cakes flips mafia, lmfao.

I don't need to find anyone to shitpost with.

Cabd you are that certain cake will flip scum?

[Noraa]

Site rules prevent me from expressing exactly how sure I am of my life decisions.

its based off an ongoing?

[Noraa]

We've already discussed night actions, bear.

when?

[Noraa]

VOTE: Cakez
Signal received
I’m curious why Cakez tried to claim what he did thought given that

this wagon is garbage. no resistance whatsoever. people joining for the stupidest half assed reasons possible(ok ik imma hypocrite. I joined for a bad reason too) but still. this is ridiculous.
UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

VOTE: Gamma
a little birdie told me this was a big wagon and for good reasons as well.

[Noraa]

Noraa... Come clean to me, lass. Are you trying to derail my cakez scumwagon?

I hate some of the votes on it. they are literal garbage.
Atm, im 70% convinced cake is just LHF so yes, you could say I'm trying to derail this wagon.

[Noraa]

The fact Noraa dodged addressing my townread on her is pretty damn dodgy too

what townread?

[Noraa]

But why are you voting for Gamma?

Out of the little I've read, namely the GammaxBM interactions, gamma looks noticeably worse.

[Noraa]

I had a light townread on you back when you had 6 posts
I’m not happy I stuck my neck out for you only to get repaid with betrayal and disregard

well I haven't read up but also my first few posts were RVS level posts. why'd u even have a TR anyways?

also its not "you TR me so now I'm obligated to TR you"

[Noraa]

Noraa is trying to dismantle the wagon on cakez to save him.


NORAAAAAAAAAAAAA you were supposed to be town and sheep to victory.

the wagon is trash. if he truly is scum, u just got lucky.
from what I gather, there is zero case on him, zero resistance, and almost all of the opposing wagons are voting him.
Gamma, a decent sized wagon can just jump on with the lamest reason possible and no one says a thing.

fmpov, its literally just like Cabd says Cake is scum. Everyone jumps on cake. Isn't that basically how things went down?

[Noraa]

This game is insane. The wagon is garbage but everyones looking at it like its a hunk of gold. There is nothing to it except that Cabd suggested it. Everyones acting like Cabd's some hot shot expert soul reading scum hunter.

this is actually just stupid. I'm going back to hibernation.

[Noraa]

*yawn*
so much talk about my meta.
boring.
back to hibernation.
any posts that need an answer from small bear, Noraa must have this:

@Noraa

[Noraa]

I don't remember what they played like in Haunted Village, truthfully

lemme give u a hint
*whispers* I was day 1 lim bait

[Noraa]

I really dont get all this backlash. Im literally pointing out that this here *points at cake* "lock scum" or so everyone seems to be hinting at, doesn't even have a case on him. I dont understand why this isn't a red flag to everyone. Like sure, I get it, apparently Cabd is a hot shot scum hunter. Ok, so? Everyone is just gonna be like one word from cabd > anything else in the world. So great that we now dont even need a case to justify a wagon. One word from Cabd is enough. Like all these people that are fine with it, I dont even know wtf is up with them considering the majority haven't even played with cabd before.

I'll stop derailing cuz it isn't even doing anything but if this flips green anytime this game, everyone has to call me daddy for the rest of the game.

[Noraa]

Also I think as long as I don’t get overly critical I can read Cakez as town properly
VOTE: Noraa
I wanna push this more than Cakez rn

lmfao.
ok ive decided.
imma claim.
im a blade. whichever driver wants to target gamma tonight should link me.

[Noraa]

I am not allowed by site rules to take this bet and you should stop making this kind of post.

that's a site rule?

[Noraa]

whichever driver wants to target gamma tonight should link me.

I take it back. its one shot. I'll use it later.
But regardless, link me up tonight.

[Noraa]

Counts as an out of game influence or bet. Ask your game mod for more details. Terms and conditions may apply. Worth 1/100th of one cent. Deal not valid outside of the continental US.

Everyone should just call me daddy anyways. actually, maybe no. hm idk that would be funny. everyone should do it. I'm decided.

[Noraa]

If this was a red flag why did you vote him.

I didnt figure out it was a red flag right off the bat without reading anything.....?

[Noraa]

This is a bad line of questioning

They joined the wagon and later said they couldn't endorse it because of the way it grew and the reasoning

It went from an early game wagon to a serious wagon

+1

[Noraa]

There will be no leashing of scum this game.

what is this supposed to mean? it almost comes off as a scum slip but I'm confused.

[Noraa]

Maybe if you actually read what I quoted then it would make sense.

I read it. it still doesn't make sense.

[Noraa]

Brian means we're not going to leash scum, we're going to elim them.

*knocks on my head*
anyone home?
nope.
looks like braincells all upped and left :/
sorry Brian. Bad timing.

[Noraa]

You weren’t obligated to TR me but I figured you’d respond.

Ok but I didn't even see the TR in the first place. quote the posts.

[Noraa]

I said leashing a SCUMMY player. Not scum.

Is this TMI that I am town?

[Noraa]

I have read from page 36 or something and up. Anything before that is skimmed/not read at all.

[Noraa]

I kinda like Noraa rn but it’s still quite early wrt reading her

I’m less reading Noraa on the explicit content and more on how it feels
I feel like town!Noraa sounds more natural but less genuine compared to scum!Noraa
As such she’s pingy as both alignments but paying attention to the sort of pings is probably the best way to sort here
So far I feel like she is a little extra about things like missing RVS, but she also seems to not be worrying about how she sounds rn
Scum!Noraa is quite meticulous about her image

What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?

A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off

@Noraa

................these posts are bad. If you expect a TR from me because of these, ur not getting it.

[Noraa]

@cabd we could all easily be wrong.

This post pings scum.

Myb /:
She is actually wagoned and eliminated a lot as either alignment I think. But that’s not a great reason to hesitate, mostly trying to control for every post pinging me and trying to determine her alignment through that.

Not easy. *sigh*

Oh yes. She is always eliminated early. That sure doesn't say absolutely anything about her. Let's just lim her cuz ???

l4pe is scum btw

I didnt like their stance in the BMvGamma. Their way of stopping the whole "fight" was weird.

I take back my thought about 'let's end the day', I think that was largely selfish and that I will have to adjust to the thread accordingly. I think what matters in these large games is not going back and re-reading all this nonsense, but just taking in small pockets of conversation that can build trust between two, three, four etc. people.

That being said, my trust is pretty low right now. I think it's odd (not discouraged) to give out townreads, because I see a lot of them but not really many people sorting out who's scummy. The thing is if the game goes on like this is that you'll have people within others activity and it will mostly become circles within circles of arguments and that's just impossible to fully cover until more people die. Right now, I am still most interested in Brian Skies. Maybe a little Flavor Leaf. Maybe it's my doubting paranoia as town but I find scum doesn't really wanna talk about other scum if they have to. Am I saying that makes Brian Skies/Flavor Leaf scum because of it? No, but I am saying that I would like to have others talk to me about if they think

I

am town. This is very much a chat room and I'm still trying to sort which of you I would invite to my DMs.

VOTE: Brian Skies

Im null on Brain. Flavor had a funky push on me that seemed rather like an overreaction. If Cake really is scum, I take that as an attempt to shift wagons from Flavor.


I dont like the hydra and will catch up later's convo. The hydra looks funky.


CATCHING UP~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Noraa]

i don't really agree with your scumread there - the sum total of her posting is 4 parts complaining and 1 part messing around

Maybe I'm secretly just a cake recipe.
4 parts of

complaining

flour
1 part of

messiness

eggs
2 tablespoons of

fun

sprinkles
1 can of

exploding fun

frosting

[Noraa]

if she was scum she might make more of an effort to cultivate an image.

This is a very valid take on Noraa

Do you SR me or no?
It's never been made clear.

[Noraa]

What made you think this?

Flavor's push on me was bad and last game I was in with him, he openly admitted post game that he tried to set me up.

[Noraa]

I agree his push was bad

Wanna vote him with me?

VOTE: Flavor

Hop aboard!
This wagon is cozy.

[Noraa]

Good afternoon passengers. This is the pre-boarding announcement for flight 89B to Flavorland. We are now inviting those passengers with small children, and any passengers requiring special assistance, to begin boarding at this time. Please have your boarding pass and identification ready. Regular boarding will begin in approximately ten minutes time. Thank you.

[Noraa]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome onboard Flight 89B with service from Mafialobby to Flavorland. We are currently third in line for take-off and are expected to be in the air in approximately seven minutes time. We ask that you please fasten your seatbelts at this time and secure all baggage underneath your seat or in the overhead compartments. We also ask that your seats and table trays are in the upright position for take-off. Please turn off all personal electronic devices, including laptops and cell phones. Smoking is prohibited for the duration of the flight. Thank you for choosing Noraa Airlines. Enjoy your flight.

[Noraa]

*might be fourth in line
can't remember how many wagons are bigger.

[Noraa]

@cabd we could all easily be wrong.

This post pings scum.

Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa

A vote for something this small? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
the post is scummy because "cabd we could all easily be wrong" is directed at the hot shot scum hunter, "we" puts emphasis that he *has* to be town, "easily wrong" is a great way to backtrack before the flip even happens

[Noraa]

Which alignment would you say is a Noraa who has jumped at everyone else's push on her as being bad but completely ignores the cakez push (who is the biggest wagon and would be trying to find a counter wagon as scum?)

town flailing looks like that too lol.

When I'm town and the biggest wagon, I push the next biggest wagon/wagon with most potential especially if I'm a pr. If I'm a vt, it depends.

[Noraa]

Uh huh ok so?

[Noraa]

two hot shot scum hunters back at it again. continue ur fanfic session. I won't interrupt.

[Noraa]

The way you're acting, you're going to die. You might die today. If you don't, you're going to die tomorrow. If, on the weird off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass and start talking to us.

I think y'all are the ones not willing to listen. I suggest an opinion that contradicts urs and u both are all OMG caught scum. Ok like sure, I look pretty bs if cake flips red but he hasn't even flipped. Why is everyone this certain.

[Noraa]

Said wavelength referring to Noraa scum.

why am I scum, cobra?

Cabd if Cakes flips town you die tomorrow okay?

I like this idea.

if noraa doesnt visit me tonight, we can flip her tomorrow i guess.

Im a blade. can't fucking drive someone.

[Noraa]

I like this idea.

why not cabd today. instead of lynching towncakez

I will die before I believe this stupid town lims Cabd atm. I'm hoping Cake flips town. That way I can rub it in everyone's faces.

I still want everyone to call me daddy. For my amazing reads.

[Noraa]

You’re scum because your role PM has a bunch of red letters in it, noraa.

VOTE: Cobra

Explain your read on me RN

[Noraa]

I just need to vote Noraa for a while. Her scumfuckery has fried so many circuits in such a short time.

This made me laugh

[Noraa]

Nah.

VOTE: noraa
Die potato

why is everyone making me laugh

[Noraa]

too many fucking blades what the fuck

need to flip one of Cakez or Noraa for that reason alone.

Did cake claim blade?

Ik imma blade. It can be proven easily. If a driver links me, they can prove I'm a blade tomorrow.

[Noraa]

let's unite and destroy all other blade-claims.

it's literally the only way.

I have to say this is a really bad idea. I dont know about other blade abilities out there but mine look dope.

[Noraa]

Ok actually .... I should start obvtowning cuz my abilities are p dope.

Cabd, I think Cake might be scum but I dont have the level of confidence you do there so I will vote to end the day but before that, I'm going to use my vote to scum hunt.

Cobra, I want a reason to SR me. The current does not work. Last game I was in with you, you called me scummy and claimed you had meta on me. I never questioned it much because I couldn't cuz I didn't know what game you were talking about. I have a hard time believing town!you SRs me again just like that without any doubt about your ability to sort me(studies show ur not capable so explain why ur so confident)

BM, am I scum?

Bell, why am I scum?

The three headed hydra, why am I scum?

@everyone that SRs me, why am I scum?

Out of respect for a human being, dont reply with some snarky and rude.

[Noraa]

my powers

Hope you realize I'm prolly more dope than you :/
tho I'm like .... kind of gated

[Noraa]

You're scum cause you don't give a shit.

I never give a shit when im a pr

[Noraa]

Annoyed, and scum reading Noraa more because I pushed and voted them a long time ago, and they didn’t really acknowledge it then, not now. I’m down to move onto Day 2 with the wagon

your SR was conditional. You later acknowledged you didn't see a post, no?

[Noraa]

Noraa out of respect I'll say I feel decent about you being scum because your 180 on me seemed very bizarre and scum motivated and until this wagon fired up you were not even trying to scumhunt

Lol I literally never SRed you. where's the 180 from?
It was legit my own mini RVS but ok....

[Noraa]

We're all PR's, so none of us are when you think about it.

Drivers are prs to?

[Noraa]

If you do something at night that does something, you're a PR.

from what I understand drivers are not prs. they just get to choose someone but they dont actually have the magic

[Noraa]

You know as much as it pains me to do it I think I do actually owe an explanation of why this is happening to cake it's going to have to wait for a keyboard and a mouse though but I will do it tonight before my surgery tomorrow and I guess I can just wake up to the fallout from everything 16 hours later

Am I the only one that thinks BM's push on me is ridiculous?

[Noraa]

I was the first to vote Noraa and push her as scum this game, course I’m backing it. I’m already voting her.

scuse me?
ur "SR" was literally like "OMG I voted Noraa and she had to go to chem class. SO SCUMMY SHE WASNT IN THE THREAD DURING CHEM"

[Noraa]

You know as much as it pains me to do it I think I do actually owe an explanation of why this is happening to cake it's going to have to wait for a keyboard and a mouse though but I will do it tonight before my surgery tomorrow and I guess I can just wake up to the fallout from everything 16 hours later

Am I the only one that thinks BM's push on me is ridiculous?

dunno why that quoted

[Noraa]

Why Firebringer? He has a very weird positioning if scum.

Why am I scum? answer.

[Noraa]

Ninja
Acknowledging and ignoring

This is bs. I kindly asked and you won't answer.

No one is answering and just calling me scum. WTF.

[Noraa]

she tried to act natural and play and troll around with the rest of us.

What are your standards. According to you everyone's trolling is towny except mine and there's no reason for how mine's different. u say ur a hot shot scum hunter in other games. that doesn't help cuz I dont care. ur wrong here and that's all that I see.

[Noraa]

I would like to discuss Cobra shading my Noraa push by saying we have "associatives"
Because what kind of fear mongering crap is that

Cobra’s probably scum with Noraa.

ur high on confidence

[Noraa]

and then it came back to bite her.

no one is SRing me because of the trolling except you.

[Noraa]

noraa im partly SRing you because you aint posting much

wtf

[Noraa]

noraa, why arent you voting cakez??

I'm trying to get stupid cobra to talk to me and he's just going "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala"

[Noraa]

I’ve already stated i think it’s more likely only 1 of you are scum, so i don’t get what you’re pushing with that “not a good look” thing.

I just think that's really convenient to line up your reads like that. I think the only relation me and Noraa have is disliking you, but you're treating us within the similar range. I don't like this and I find your reasoning to still be half-hearted, especially with 'well it's d1 so I'm not gonna worry if I'm wrong I'm wrong'. There's nothing inherently bad about having confidence, but I seriously don't know where it comes from and why I'm just

supposed

to believe it.

if ur green, then this is just like chain mislims or something. I agree the link is fishy considering we haven't actively agreed on everything.

[Noraa]

There’s no passion behind her push on me. Look at her vs Joyed and her vs me.

Yeah, when ur going "lalalalala I can't hear you", I can't engage you surprisingly enough.

[Noraa]

I find it funny that LLD's getting pressure. LL has like .... ten posts.....

[Noraa]

Outside of what Cabd suggests, does no one have an actual SR lmfao?

[Noraa]

could you just say what you meant, I don't think you answered my Q.

???????

[Noraa]

I find it funny that LLD's getting pressure. LL has like .... ten posts.....

More of a reason they need pressure.

Also extremely naive of you to assume LLD wagon is just about LLD.

Naive of me to assume that outside of what Cabd suggests, this town literally has nothing?

It sure seems to me like that's how it is.

[Noraa]

SRing someone with 10 posts. That is such a vanity and more compromise wagon material than anything else.

[Noraa]

Not condescending scum.

?

[Noraa]

SRing someone with 10 posts. That is such a vanity and more compromise wagon material than anything else.

Misrep.

Also, what does them having 10 posts do to their chances of rolling scum?

I’m not even pushing the idea of fading LLD, i just want to see what happens when LLD gets pressured.

You cannot read someone with 10 posts. It is clearly compromise wagon material not an actual legitimate SR.

[Noraa]

Naive of me to assume that outside of what Cabd suggests, this town literally has nothing?

It sure seems to me like that's how it is.

What?

All big wagons this game are either Cabd approved or compromise wagons

[Noraa]

What game are you talking about?

God I am going to fucking scream if Cobra dares use this game against me.

[Noraa]

do you think that means anything re: cabd's alignment? @noraa
cabd seems like he's in a similar position to shea in the normal game we played with him

Yeah and shea pushed all the town prs to their deaths.

[Noraa]

tbh I'm starting to feel like we've gotten a good amount of content wrt associations
so atp I think a hammer on whatever is fine (as long as I don't outright object to the wagon)

Can I request we dont? I want everyone to call me daddy as a birthday present

[Noraa]

check out partway through

[Noraa]

@fferyllt- Haunted Village. We miseliminated Noraa day 1. She was near rabid to all her aggressors, they made up the entirety of her scum pool. Joyed in particular had a read that could not be explained. She went on and on about it despite multiple people saying drop it (Gamma actually encouraged her train of thought that game).

You have zero right to use my meta for anything. Your reason to lim me in Haunted village was my meta and u twisted my meta up so fucking much it wasn't even funny.

I repeat you have ZERO RIGHT to use my meta.

Back the fuck out of Noraa meta land.

[Noraa]

three people are gonna read it

I'll read it. Im waiting.

[Noraa]

@fferyllt- Haunted Village. We miseliminated Noraa day 1. She was near rabid to all her aggressors, they made up the entirety of her scum pool. Joyed in particular had a read that could not be explained. She went on and on about it despite multiple people saying drop it (Gamma actually encouraged her train of thought that game).

You have zero right to use my meta for anything. Your reason to lim me in Haunted village was my meta and u twisted my meta up so fucking much it wasn't even funny.

I repeat you have ZERO RIGHT to use my meta.

Back the fuck out of Noraa meta land.

[Noraa]

tbh, it's not a very good wagon from my blind town perspective.

Which wagon are you talking about? If cake .... this doesn't match up with what u said previously.

I didn't proofread that shit, sorry in advance for the three people who read it, not sorry in advance for the scumbutt about to go and try and make a rebuttal of it.

I read the majority of it. All the CakexNoraa scum equity stuff is bullshit but that's not what I'm here to say. What is negative/positive utility and why is it even important to begin with? I rarely hear terms like this and I think the only time I've heard it was when someone was describing a gravedigger. I believe that's considered negative utility? Idk its just ur whole case is that Cake is trying to find you but I dont understand why negative/positive utility is so special?

[Noraa]

Wishing you an easy surgery and recovery

Same. *sending well wishes to cabd*

[Noraa]

has anyone brought up the idea that nora was so opposed to listening to cabd on cakez because she knows cabd is wrong?

just an idea im tossing around while i think about things

-Nacho

I mean no one listened to me. Does that mean everyone somehow is scum buddies with Cake and knows I'm wrong?

This logic is flawed

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

I speed-read and have done nothing but read this game since I got home. Gonna try to step away cuz I'm getting a headache.

I haven't read my other heads thoughts to completion yet, as I didn't have time to do that too, but right now where I'm at:

Town to varying degrees: Battle Mage (I just like his posting. Call me stupid but him telling everyone he's a blade in the way he has makes me chuckle and that's my weakness), Gamma (once he finally stopped arguing with BM I started feeling better about him.), Cabd, Flavor Leaf (this is probably actually premature, but I like his stuff so far. I don't feel completely inept at reading him, so he stays here until I start feeling uncomfortable), l4pe and unwnd (this one I'm slotting to see exactly how I feel about it being in this group. I've gone back and forth on a few of the reasonings for their posts, but right now I'm leaning towards me just not agreeing with their logic rather than they're scummy.)

most people are shades of null. I'm actually surprised I have that many people that I have in a townish pool! midway bear, bell, and brian might belong in that group as well but meh they're on positive levels of null.

both my other head feel pretty strong about cakez scum as far as I understand, and I kinda want to throw in with theirs and cabd's confidence on cakez but for me yeah he could flip scum but I'm not personally that confident. This could be because I'm still feeling guilty about last game when I had a little good thing to keep town reading him for and I didn't voice it even though last game was an attempted game throw anyway. BUT.

Think noraa is just scum.

I didn't read every post from today but I'm caught up enough. I don't think I missed too much based on discord chats, so I'll probably not go back to reread all that unless I absolutely have to. I'm way too tired from waiting up to talk to nacho last night and my eyes feel crossed to do much more tonight, so hopefully sleep soon!

I'm still basically here.

Though move l4pe down to null. Lack of posting loses my they feel fine in the moment. i do still like my thing about the self-awareness thing. I'm just not sure it's very strong. I still feel decently comfortable about the other townish reads.

Add bell and reagan to the townish pile. (reagan was moving in here before prism showed up, but I do *like* prism's first post. erm was gonna say I think they post that kind of what they expect from themself and how they prefer to play more as town than scum and came off differently than when we were scum together but now when i started typing it out I remembered a game moons ago where a type of post like this came from scum, so this point is moot. I still do like the first post but I don't know if it's because I was already starting to think that peta was leaning town, so meh. idk but they're there.)

cobra kai might be here too actually. This is a comfort and flow read.

Brian should probably be moved from null into town. I did like the way he was reading muffin from nacho's posts last night. Kinda liked the "town muffin would never scum read me' thing. Don't think that's at all alignment indicative on the muffincho side though. My other heads have him as super town, and i don't have any objections really, the shining halo just hasn't appeared to me yet.

muffincho are positive shades of null. I liked nacho's interaction with me last night quite a lot, but I know that i've also given scumcho an early pass for having a good interaction with me and good posts in the early game. If he's able to interact with the game more, I'll be able to move this up or down. We haven't played together for years though; hopefully I'm still okay at reading him. Also I did not reach out to him beginning game, and I did this purposefully so as not to jinx it. 90% of the time when I reach out, he ends up scum. I did not reach out which should only give him a 10% chance at scum. I know this is how probabilities and percentages work because I never mess those up!

noraa is an actual scum read that I'm wavering on a little bit but I still like. beeboy is my back pocket scum read. MWNN might be too, not really too sure about this but something feels off can't put my finger on it.

Noraa - My scum read on you is largely due to your entrance feeling fake. When you first came in you made the big thing about RVS, which I get! it's a travesty to miss RVS, which is the only good part of mafia. You seemed very friendly with Cabd at first and asked him how sure he was about cakez and voted there while interacting with cakez in a weird way about meta. It looked like you were trying to find a way to vote him besides just cabd said so. I get that you came back and said all that was your own mini rvs, but it wasn't clear at the time that you were doing that, and I guess maybe? I don't know that it totally looks like that in retrospect, but sure I'll squint and say I can see it.

My major problem is what happened next. When you came back you chastised the thread and Cabd for the read and declared if you were right everyone had to call you daddy. Which is fine, arrogant chutzpah doesn't make you scum. Except you never gave a read on cakez; you were just yelling about people sheeping cabd and there being no case. What it looks like is that you cared more about trying to discredit cabd than do anything else in the game, and that's what concerns me the most. I asked you three times earlier what your actual read on cakez was and you ignored every time I asked you the question. Even while you were around and posting. I don't really buy into the scum theater argument there. My problem with you is that your shtick this game seems to be focusing mostly on discrediting people than trying to figure out the game. Maybe this is your town game, but as someone who replaced into undertale and told the remaining townies in final three that they were both playing badly, I expect you know how to play town. And I'm having a hard time seeing this as your town game.

Your push on flavor leaf likewise didn't make sense. you claimed that he was pushing you as a wagon to distract from the cakez wagon who could be scum that flavor is scum partners with even though flavor was scum reading you and cakez and voting unwind. (If I've misunderstood your argument here feel free to correct me. This is how I understand it.)

I'm just having a hard time reading your thoughts as believable. I'm always reassessing and willing to be proven wrong, so if you're town please start acting like it.

For cakez man guys I just don't know. My other heads have a decently strong scum read there and are putting their faith in cabd's read there as well. I'm not saying they're wrong to, but I just don't know. Cakez doesn't feel as natural as he did last game, and i didn't like the early push on BM for the reasoning, but I just really don't know. I'm willing to put my faith in my hydra partners and cabd's read because sometimes conviction sways me and I want that warm blanket of certainty, but personally I'd not take a bet on what he'll flip.

town bin. Hold up. Im going to reply to this with a detailed post of what I was thinking at what times and why.

[Noraa]

This was the post I was gonna make yesterday but bork closed thread so I had to send myself an email with it:

The entrance went down like this: I saw the game start pm, came in and was skimming the first page and saw cobra's post and decided it was gonna be my RVS vote. Now at the time, it was not RVS but I didn't know that until I posted but page numbers are at the bottom. I was bummed RVS had ended without my portion and so made my own little RVS. I agree, stuff like this can look remarkably fake from an outsider view cuz people normally .... dont do this. Like the norm is "if u miss rvs, suck it up and deal with it"

A while later, I realized that Cake was a legitimate wagon that was actually big. I looked around to see if there was a case and I found nothing. I decided that I was going to hop off because, keep in mind, I did not SR cake at the time. I was just looking for ways in which my experience playing with Cake might mean something.

The moment I hop off, people immediately started SRing me, especially Cabd and I started getting mad. It felt to me like I wasn't allowed to express my own opinions. My goal, in a way, was literally just to shade Cabd at that point. Petty as it is, it is what it is. I was pissed that people were gonna SR me for jumping off a not well justified wagon and they kept basically pushing that "if I jump off, I'm scum cuz town me "likes to go with the flow""

Push on Flavor makes sense imo. Him SRing Cake and I doesn't really say anything if he's scum cuz u never know if its true or not so my SR here still stands.

The reason why I have ignored your hydra is because almost all of your heads just tunnel me and I dont tend to like to engage slots like that. It always ends up pissing me off.

[Noraa]

If it helps, I am a confirmed blade after last night. I linked up with a driver that will testify for me if need be.

Also I have evidence that someone might be scum based on my night action.

Whoever lied about their role should link with me tonight because I want to verify something. Not doing it is a full on scum claim. There is possibility this person is town but I'll have to see tonight.

[Noraa]

lemme make it bigger so that person sees it.

Whoever lied about their role should link with me tonight

[Noraa]

lemme make it bigger so that person sees it.

Whoever lied about their role should link with me tonight

There is only one and you must explain something to me asap tonight.

[Noraa]

Why the fuck does being confirmed blade matter

I feel like its towny to not have lied about my role since drivers don't have abilities and shit so claiming blade is like claiming pr.

[Noraa]

lemme make it bigger so that person sees it.

Whoever lied about their role should link with me tonight

Just full claim. No real reason to beat around the bush at this point.

sure, I'm gonna get to E-1 someday soon anyways. Might as well just claim rn.
I have two abilities and another thing? idk what the other thing is but its like a "classification" or something. My role doesn't have an explanation for it and it doesn't do anything I'm p sure.
my 1 shot ability, I'm not claiming for now.
my other ability is basically an entire wagon rolecop. I rolecopped all of Cake's wagon from yesterday.

Guilottina did not lie about his role(driver) but that aside, he could be scum. I did not reread during the night so I'm not that up to date on much stuff but I'm down to hear cases.

[Noraa]

A wagon rolecop sounds like a scum ability.

The scum that flipped yesterday that I was wrong about if I remember correctly was driver/blade. Atm I believe that the whole scum team might just be like that so my rolecop is there to make sure no one is lying about their roles. Also I'm gated, I only see if they are a blade. So if they claim driver and then show up as a blade, it's worrisome. The person that I got a guilty on never full claimed I believe but they softed driver and showed up as a blade to me. Idk I have to go check. My driver was talking to me about this yesterday.

[Noraa]

my other ability is basically an entire wagon rolecop. I rolecopped all of Cake's wagon from yesterday.

Claim my role

ur a blade.

[Noraa]

My characters name is like Poopie something or another. I forgot. One sec. Lemme go find the pm.

[Noraa]

Still waiting for Nora to out the liar. No reason to wait until tonight because chances are you won't live that long.

I'm not going to reveal any more about my night results for the time being. I need some time to ISO and think. This is partly why I wanted to in with a hydra here - because heavy mech games are confusing to me.

[Noraa]

Still waiting for Nora to out the liar. No reason to wait until tonight because chances are you won't live that long.

I'm not going to reveal any more about my night results for the time being. I need some time to ISO and think. This is partly why I wanted to in with a hydra here - because heavy mech games are confusing to me.

Im sure this comes off as scummy. But I do want some time to process my night results. I have quite some info and last night I just made my driver go look thru the thread for claims. I need to doublecheck.

[Noraa]

My characters name is like Poopie something or another. I forgot. One sec. Lemme go find the pm.

This is cool. Still waiting for the liar's name.

Poppi Alpha

[Noraa]

Noraa- out the liar or we run you up and make you out. It's that simple, stop dodging.

I want time to think. Period.

[Noraa]

driver

OH well I found a solid driver claim. Yeah ok. This is the scum.

[Noraa]

My driver did tell me MWNN had claimed driver and I just went back to check and indeed he claimed driver.

[Noraa]

MWNN said that was a joke claim...

Did MWNN ever serious claim driver?

[Noraa]

MWNN said that was a joke claim...

Did MWNN ever serious claim driver?

if no, ignore me.

[Noraa]

Did MWNN ever serious claim driver?

No, who was your driver?

Don't answer this question

wasn't planning to.

[Noraa]

My driver was telling me that my role seemed overpowered but its not because I don't even get like blade or driver. I only get yes or no for blade and I'm not like role block proof or anything so my results can p easily be messed around with.

The president's argument that my claim is scummy is really weird if there are fake claims for scum in bork games.
I think solid SR on president for saying my role is scummy.

[Noraa]

[quote="In post 2974, Cobra Kai"][/quote]

Maybe its just me but I feel like cobra has done an insane amount of quick and dirty pocketing. Very unnoticeable and surface level but its there.
SR.

I dislike Flavor, Cobra, and Presidents atm.
The ragequit is basically a scum claim honestly speaking so guillotina is easily on the chopping block for me today.
I'm willing to go a lot of places but obviously not on myself.

[Noraa]

I'm a blade who was softing driver yesterday (particularly via my *I am targetting between hot and catchup hydrae").

So, I was the "liar."

But, it's MWNN?

My driver told me that you "crumbed driver targets but not blade targets"

[Noraa]

Mafia are unlikely to fakeclaim driver when they're really a blade, and vice versa.

disagree actually. I remember someone on day 1 was saying there were too many blade claims. That'd be a reason to claim driver from a scum stand point. Cuz its basically the equivalent of "if there's too much town power, all the vt claims have to be true" in a normal game.

President's argument that my role itself is scummy is stupid considering scum have fake claims so that would mean there's like no way to tell whether or not a person is scum by the claim ig?

It's a decent argument cuz its true it could potentially out multiple scum on day 1 but at the same time, most people only softed their claims on day 1, never full claimed. And there could be all sorts of weird shit like informed goons or something.

Idk if this makes sense but I feel like that was a TMI slip from Presidents.

[Noraa]

I'm actually just a blade with a semi-useless set of roles.

I mean, I can confirm this is true.

[Noraa]

Noraa you have zero chance of getting my head on a pike this game.

Lmfao its not like I had a chance last game I was in with you where u tunneled me for no reason and I died day 1.

[Noraa]

I think Noraa's reaction to Cabd was a lot more concerned with asserting that Cabd & co. weren't all that great over genuinely trying to sort Cakez/Cabd. Their defensiveness was kind of fine? But I'm concerned as to why they're so concerned with shooting down other players' ego over just sorting them/the people following them, the concern is to win the game not prove Cabd is a moron.

The moment I voiced an opinion that didn't fit with his, he immediately just jumped at me. Thats not exactly welcoming.

[Noraa]

If somebody is acting as a driver that night, they do not appear as a blade to noraa. Probably.

ig its possible that's how it is but I'd hope its just like .... role otherwise I'd have to get pretty lucky to catch a scum :/

[Noraa]

Really curious who this driver was...already have some suspicions

if my driver wants to claim, they can.

[Noraa]

high conviction on this tho, and bumping for new page

if u have a question for me, I'm already at like E-4 or something. Ask away.

[Noraa]

It doesn't matter who the driver was, though

Probably. I just find it weird that she seems to be relaying a lot of her thoughts through this driver character.

I didn't reread. My driver reread tho and shared a lot of their opinions regarding the people on Cake's wagon with me.

My driver is not me if that's what ur wondering.

[Noraa]

Noraa, you should ask the mod if your role will catch a blade/driver acting as a driver that night

Ok. One sec.

[Noraa]

Noraa, you should ask the mod if your role will catch a blade/driver acting as a driver that night

Ok. One sec.

Mod said I can catch driver/blades even if they are not acting as a blade

[Noraa]

Read up to this page. Bookmark.
I'm signing off this game for the night. Have other things to do. See everyone on the other side in a world called tomorrow

[Noraa]

Actually Noraa is Ellitelling pretty hard rn
Until she a) returns and b) reveals her other ability I’m not gonna fight it
But like can we please not leash me to someone I don’t have faith in being someone who can make use of MY specific benefits

not caught up but my other ability is a 1 shot wagon cop.
I don't get to know who are the mafia members on the wagon but I get to know quantity.

[Noraa]

Why the fuck would you use a driver/blade cop over that d1 with a scum elim? Lmao

because it only tells me if there are 2 or more scum on a wagon. Thats really not helpful and if there's less, it could be 1 or 0. If there's a positive result, then that means there's 2 or more out of the 11 people on wagon. This ability is only useful nearing the end.

[Noraa]

That just doesn't seem like a real role to me. You have someone claiming guilty on you and if you know that person is lying then you should be fighting to show us why they're scum or who is scum just taking advantage of you.

who claimed a guilty on me?

[Noraa]

I get to know quantity.

it didn't change drastically lol. I just specified more details about the ability is all.

[Noraa]

who claimed a guilty on me?

[Noraa]

what am I supposed to say right now? all I can say is that is not true but I mean, will anyone believe it?

rather than trying to explain and getting killed anyways, I'd rather just claim up and be done.

there's not much explaining needed. I didn't wanna use my 1 shot cuz I didn't think it was useful. I used my wagon role cop. I'll drop all the night results in a second that way even if I die, scum can't fakeclaim.

[Noraa]

I have a wagon cop and a wagon rolecop. I used the latter last night.

[Noraa]

You just said that you didn't use your wagon cop because it wasn't useful, now you're saying you did

Please

Everyone is confbiasing so hard and making shit out of nothing. Lol just look at posts like this. If you'd paid just like a tiny bit more attention you would've understood that I didn't just like suddenly say I used my cop last night. This is ridiculous. Half the accusations are made up bullshit and the other half are that my role is scummy itself. Cabd said bork always makes fake claims so there's no way anyone catches scum thru some weird scum hunting looking for "weird roles" if there's literal fake claims for all of the scum team. People jump on me when they think they see a scum slip but like god fuck people, if u'd just read the damn post.

I didn't see a guilty on me upon skim but I might've missed it so someone'll have to quote it.

I hope that my green flip makes everyone shut the fuck up and stop confbiasing the hell out of everything.

[Noraa]

Also if someone really claimed a guilty on me, yeet the fuck out of them tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Other reads than the person who guiltied you

Make a list

I think most people pointing their fingers at me rn are scummy. It looks super bad to be supporting my wagon with no good reasons but it does seem to me like this town just has the biggest damn ego so whatever.

Guillo is basically confscum.
I still dislike Flavor, Presidents, Cobra.

The townies are probs the ones with the biggest egos which is fucking annoying but I've come to terms with it.

Cake red cleared people that pushed that wagon hard including hot shot scum hunter Cabd and his buddies.

Also, I remember seeing someone say the three headed hydra dying pointed to Noraa scum because the hydra sussed me. Cant remember who said it but thats a really lame reason. Almost every single possible nk from last night would've been someone that sussed me at one point in time. I remember thinking that post was slimy and that's someone to look at tomorrow.

[Noraa]

It means everyone is annoying the fuck out of me but if my sacrifice makes everyone stop being stupid, it's fine.

I dislike just about everyone that is sussing me and I'm not interested in doing a reads list that'll basically be based 100% on who's sussing me the most.

[Noraa]

What did gamma say when you told him you weren't using your wagon cop?

I didn't tell him I had a wagon cop. I only told him my other ability.

[Noraa]

who claimed a guilty on me

anyone gonna fucking answer?

[Noraa]

Asked and answered several times, Noraa.

Oh I was wondering why people kept saying his name.
1) he confscum then
2) what was his guilty on me?

[Noraa]

It means everyone is annoying the fuck out of me but if my sacrifice makes everyone stop being stupid, it's fine.

I dislike just about everyone that is sussing me and I'm not interested in doing a reads list that'll basically be based 100% on who's sussing me the most.

Listen

If you're town, in the very slim small chance that you are town, the best thing you can do for me and everyone else is to just tell us your thoughts on players specifically and then categorizing them as town-scum in a format that could be considered a 'list'

The more you choose to not do this, the more you are confirmed in my eyes. And if somehow you flip green then you've failed as town and it will be nobodies fault but your own

Ok. Then it'll just be my own fault. Idc. I have bad townplay and town's like this one don't make me want to get better whatsoever.

[Noraa]

Mafia are unlikely to fakeclaim driver when they're really a blade, and vice versa.

disagree actually. I remember someone on day 1 was saying there were too many blade claims. That'd be a reason to claim driver from a scum stand point. Cuz its basically the equivalent of "if there's too much town power, all the vt claims have to be true" in a normal game.

President's argument that my role itself is scummy is stupid considering scum have fake claims so that would mean there's like no way to tell whether or not a person is scum by the claim ig?

It's a decent argument cuz its true it could potentially out multiple scum on day 1 but at the same time, most people only softed their claims on day 1, never full claimed. And there could be all sorts of weird shit like informed goons or something.

Idk if this makes sense but I feel like that was a TMI slip from Presidents.

[Noraa]

Ok then hammer me and yeet flavor tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Hahah. I really do love you.

you should.

[Noraa]

Why the fuck is anyone hesitating to hammer me? TMI slip lmfao?

If there was a damn guilty on me and I'm a USR, nows the time to hammer.

[Noraa]

Lie down Noraa, I'll get the train and the train tracks set up.

I need to bus everyone of my partners and deep wolf this game.
It'll be great.

Ok.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa

cool, hammer.

byebyeeee~

[Noraa]

I hope it's wrong so the game is more interesting

huh this is p scummy.

[Noraa]

OH WAIT WAIT WAITT WAIT WAIT.
WTF WTF WTF WTF.

[Noraa]

FLAVOR IS A DRIVER. He's lying. He didn't show up as a blade to me and drivers don't have abilities right?

[Noraa]

Yeah, yeah. NO. NUH UH

[Noraa]

Flavor is a driver. The guilty is fake.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Falvor

[Noraa]

VOTE: Flavor

[Noraa]

This is scum. Even if I die today, town must yeet this tomorrow

[Noraa]

norra what drugs do u take

drivers don't have abilities. Flavor is scum unless he can explain why he didn't show up as a blade and somehow "got a guilty on me"

[Noraa]

the night result messing up is possible but he's a driver so that's impossible.

[Noraa]

Noraa, get on the train tracks.

no need to remind me. ik I'm dying today. Had to make sure that flavor was a blade which he is nto.

[Noraa]

drivers don't have abilities.

based on what

wasn't it just that blades are prs and drivers only get to select targets but can't actually do anything?

[Noraa]

I already claimed I’m a Town Special.

it makes very little sense for scum to try and save noraa today, so i dont buy the argument that scum are trying to derail the wagon on a partner.

VOTE: noraa

@BM - they specifically don’t want to save Noraa.

Scum want Noraa faded because she already used her ability.

Scum are completely trying to save Spiffeh, likely to use some ability they have before they go down.

lmfao wtf?
My rolecop is every night and my cop is 1 shot and I haven't even used it.
god why does this game spam so much?

[Noraa]

I already claimed I’m a Town Special.

it makes very little sense for scum to try and save noraa today, so i dont buy the argument that scum are trying to derail the wagon on a partner.

VOTE: noraa

@BM - they specifically don’t want to save Noraa.

Scum want Noraa faded because she already used her ability.

Scum are completely trying to save Spiffeh, likely to use some ability they have before they go down.

lmfao wtf?
My rolecop is every night and my cop is 1 shot and I haven't even used it.
god why does this game spam so much?

and ok, flavor but ur still lying so ....

[Noraa]

The pain in my teeth is also in my heart for you hqvunbto get all the reds.


Noraaaaaa be town with j me another time.

Death curse hurt.

[Noraa]

Morwwpew.


Noraa toieontgottq


Wqveyouewrfoet for chem homwwork

cabd ur like too drugged to type O_O

[Noraa]

bookmark

[Noraa]

phew its over lol.

[Noraa]

It's funny. Two of my games ended today.
This one where all the scums flopped over and died and I was scum.
The other one where all the scums flopped over and died and I was town.
coincidink?
I think not :3

[Noraa]

well. Technically.
3 games ended
This one where all the scums flopped over and died and I was scum.
The other TWO where all the scums flopped over and died and I was town.

[Noraa]

So MWNN, why'd you guys wanna kill me? I didn't feel like I was leading the charge so my guess was that I was just townie/associative purposes

they didn't

[Noraa]

Like I'm scared to ever play in a game with him again
I need to go on a quest for some magical mafia weapon first

I really wanna beat him as scum some day. That is my goal and I will roll scum as many times as I need to get it