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[Purple Heart]

Hi me and Taly are the new koba

[Purple Heart]

I'm going to read up when I wake up because I've kinda been up all night but im just here to say hello

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It would be nice to get some cliffs on what happened though, its mostly nice to just keep said cliffs in mind when I'm reading up.

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Hi! Is this a hydra?

Yeah it says in the sig that we don't have attatched to every post for some reason.
Its an Alisae and Taly hydra.

[Purple Heart]

WOW what a salty bean

Purple Heart i'd be curious what you think of your slots game relevant content

wha
why?

[Purple Heart]

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b

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Skimmed 19 pages

think tension in thread is up so lets rectify that

<3

~taly

[Purple Heart]

btw nora sorry for sniping your hydra spot

[Purple Heart]

btw nora sorry for sniping your hydra spot

mod told me I'm allowed to bring a hydra in anyways.

oh okay cool

[Purple Heart]

WOW what a salty bean

Purple Heart i'd be curious what you think of your slots game relevant content

wha
why?

@Flea

[Purple Heart]

i am literally blind

[Purple Heart]

Okay, so I have no idea when the fuck I'm sleeping but I don't see any signs of me going to sleep anytime soon so I decided to read up and these are the conclusions I came to.

Flea the Magician - I read 19 pages and I haven't found a contribution that I really thought was worthwhile.
MURDERCAT - I think when we get more flips (especially on slots like infinity and gamma), this slot will just be super readable.
Infinity 324 - I could actually see myself making an arguement for this slot being any alignment so I might take another look after I sleep. I mostly do agree with koba's comments on the slot when I read them but I can see a town!infinity sorting the slot and coming to the conclusions that they came to. I honestly just need to re-read the slot with a clear mind honestly. That or just sheep whatever conculsion Taly comes to so I don't have to
tracy flick - Their interactions with people seem really natural and to me it feels as if they're really trying to figure out the motivations of the other players.
Noraa - Feels more townie then scummy tbh
Uncrowned - I actually really want to townread this slot but I have this feeling that they're scum who knows that koba had their head completely up their ass and is playing them like its his win condition. 420 gives me these feelings especially.
Gamma Emerald - I actually really think his content is fine. I genuinely just don't see the problem with it.
OutWorldER - I feel like every post they wrote just feels super weird. Would not be surprised if they're scum not playing because they don't feel obligated to play.


tracy flick, norra, gamma
Murdercat
Infinity, Uncrowned, OutWorld, Flea

[Purple Heart]

was just curious on the thoughts on your own slot ^_^

I don't see how me scumhunting my own slot helps you?
Indulge me here a bit because when I read up, you were the person who I felt did nothing that was worth talking about so I need help here.

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I respect that.
I consider myself to scale as well

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Gamma Emerald - I actually really think his content is fine. I genuinely just don't see the problem with it.

This text reads like it is going to lead to a null read, but he is town for you. Any posts you liked in particular?

it's not leading into a null read I think its town.
I don't see anything thats wrong with Gamma tbh. Like I just don't. What do you think makes Gamma look suspect?

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Infinity 324 - I could actually see myself making an arguement for this slot being any alignment so I might take another look after I sleep. I mostly do agree with koba's comments on the slot when I read them but I can see a town!infinity sorting the slot and coming to the conclusions that they came to. I honestly just need to re-read the slot with a clear mind honestly. That or just sheep whatever conculsion Taly comes to so I don't have to

This also doesn't seem consistent with what looks like an SR. What was your unclear mind seeing that made you nervous?

You know, I think you're misreading my readlist and thats honestly fine.

It goes from top to bottom top being the people who I don't want to kill and the bottom being people who I am not opposed to killing.

Or in otherwise, the top is who I think is most likely going to be town and the bottom is who I feel like is least likely to be town.

[Purple Heart]

going into a bit of a circle in how I give my POV here. that'll get some turned heads

Noraa

, how do you feel about the townreads on you?

471
Not a fan of the two-universe dichotomy posts in 260 268 and I want

MC

on why he felt similarly. 325.

Also

infinity

, since questions help you assert reads, I'm waiting for ones directed to me.

noraa doing that thing they did in the mini normal where they hate and SR someone for what's ultimately playstyle differences

if she could stop that would be great

my brain is telling me to sheep koba here but my gut gives me bad vibes for reasons that will probably be found invalid but hey

i know I said I hated the no vote until council thing but i will refrain from now, I'm just gonna let the game play out for a bit.

General question: Why is the no-vote council a thing? I didn't pick up on the logic in my original skim.

Since you found value in

Koba's

input, where do your thoughts lie with the

MC, Gamma, and Infinity

slots?

Koba, Outworld, Tracy = Town.

Gamma ripped my asshole pretty hard in the one scumgame I played against him where I was town, so I'm gonna re-read the game when I can to see what I'm finding there.

Flea I've lowkey ignored and need to pay attention to.

Like I said probably one scum in Infinity/Noora/MURDER

Bolded is what I care for most; is the 1-potential-scum idea due to the circle-heal?

MC

;

Is flea scum with Tracy or gamma?

This was after 423, where do you find scum motivation with

Flea's

council?

Flea

, I'm not seeing much reads or motivation from

Gamma

, where is your thought process on the council for them?

To my understanding

Gamma

, your votes have not changed from 119 and 120, has the rationale supporting them changed at all?

As for

Tracy

, I liked 74 because giving meta without much input is the only non-manipulative or biased way to give the opportunity for reading someone in depth.

Note to look into that more.

I don't think she's given much context to her reads or ideas beyond the mechanical discussion, so I want to know your idea here as well

Flea

.

~other thoughts on recent posts~

376 to 383 feels like a natural exchange and I think

MC

or

Infinity

would've pushed onto the other or they wouldn't have interacted. Their circle-heal feels much more sincere rather than theatre or trying to townbloc a partner. Not thinking S/S.
418

Uncrowned

, what do you think

Koba

had accurate about the gamestate in 268, 418?

OWER

has not given much unique thought outside of the

Tracy

vote (itself, not much behind the reasoning) which didn't last, so I encourage them to engage with our heads.

Alisae

head gets townvibes from

Noraa

but that's a popular sentiment in the thread without much explanation or context, hmmm.

ooooof, thats a lot. ill be more conversational here.

~taly

thank you taly

<3

yay, i am appreciated.

[Purple Heart]

it's not leading into a null read I think its town.
I don't see anything thats wrong with Gamma tbh. Like I just don't. What do you think makes Gamma look suspect?

Nothing in particular, I was just surprised to see a TR based on that explanation

I mean, I saw that you thought Gamma looked suspect while I was reading. Where's your head at when it comes to that and how did you reach that conclusion?

[Purple Heart]

tracy flick, norra, gamma
Murdercat
Infinity, Uncrowned, OutWorld, Flea

So infinity is less likely to be town, no? An I missing something? Out are you referring to the order of the reads, in which case, what is this list?

Yeah its not something I'm sure about at the moment so I'm willing to vote it until I investigate it a bit more.
Its easier for me to just get townreads and work down from there you feel?

[Purple Heart]

oh and

UNHEAL ALL KOBA'S HEALS

.

UNVOTE:

gonna mindmeld with

ali

a bit before we start with the council. we have to have

council

voted prior to EoD, correct?

~taly

p-edit

I have a good bit of

Gamma

experience but I don't have a strong foothold on their tone because it seems quite unique and broad. What came off strange to you?

also

MC

, I gave you some homework in 492

p-edit again

Ehh, and how would your council differ? (

MC

)

[Purple Heart]

Wait what
Why would we need god tier acting skills to convince you that we’re town?
Hell, why should we even care about convincing you we’re town?
We are town and town shouldn’t need god tier acting skills to convince other people they’re town. It should just come across naturally.

[Purple Heart]

Taly’s posting isn’t bad, but alisae still looks scummy as hell. “Acting skills? I’m so town I don’t even know what those are!!”

Bro she literally posted “You need got tier acting skills to convince me that you’re town.”
Why should town need “god tier acting skills” to convince another person that they’re town? That’s not how the game works.

[Purple Heart]

When you are town, it will show because ultimately it’s self-righteous.
How is someone saying that they need to “act” town not fucking weird to you?

[Purple Heart]

Wait what
Why would we need god tier acting skills to convince you that we’re town?
Hell, why should we even care about convincing you we’re town?
We are town and town shouldn’t need god tier acting skills to convince other people they’re town. It should just come across naturally.

How much have you played with Noraa before?

nope never

[Purple Heart]

When you are town, it will show because ultimately it’s self-righteous.
How is someone saying that they need to “act” town not fucking weird to you?

Noraa thinks you’re scum.
Scum needs to act to look town.
Therefore, noraa thinks you need to act to look town.

oh
When you put it that way it makes more a lot more sense

[Purple Heart]

Taly’s posting isn’t bad, but alisae still looks scummy as hell. “Acting skills? I’m so town I don’t even know what those are!!”

agreed. the reaction was a bit overboard.

That’s just how I am and how I play the game

[Purple Heart]

nope never

This is kind of a noraaism I think

explain this a bit?

[Purple Heart]

Taly’s posting isn’t bad, but alisae still looks scummy as hell. “Acting skills? I’m so town I don’t even know what those are!!”

agreed. the reaction was a bit overboard.

That’s just how I am and how I play the game

very unfortunate if ur town cuz I didn't think ur slot was town ... ever and this playstyle reads scummy to me O_O

the fuck you want me to do?

[Purple Heart]

Right now is Noraa and infinity

Hasn't changed much from gamestart, eh?

Noraa, how do you feel about the townreads on you?

good question. I won't be answering tho. btw I still think ur slot's scum. ur gonna have to pull out some god tier level acting skills to convince me.

Your approach that you won't answer due to your read is fair, but is your read more based around

Koba's

posts or this hydra's?

I hope your answer isn't playstyle, again. 515.

Taly’s posting isn’t bad, but alisae still looks scummy as hell. “Acting skills? I’m so town I don’t even know what those are!!”

Also infinity, since questions help you assert reads, I'm waiting for ones directed to me.

When you are town, it will show because ultimately it’s self-righteous.
How is someone saying that they need to “act” town not fucking weird to you?

Noraa thinks you’re scum.
Scum needs to act to look town.
Therefore, noraa thinks you need to act to look town.

The wording here is unclear, are you saying that

Noraa

expects us to act town because she scumreads us or that this slot is trying to emulate town based off our posts?

nope never

This is kind of a noraaism I think

My only mafia impression of

Noraa

is vague and I can't detail that here because of site rules, so I'm assuming your townread on

Noraa

is based in meta.

Enlighten me on what a town-

noraa

looks like.

was just curious on the thoughts on your own slot ^_^

I don't see how me scumhunting my own slot helps you?
Indulge me here a bit because when I read up, you were the person who I felt did nothing that was worth talking about so I need help here.

Maybe look closer ^_^ Just because it may seem I'm not doing anything, doesn't mean I'm not doing something.

I was asking you to townhunt your own slot actually, fresh eyes, bit of reflection, maybe gauge what reads may be there. <3

I can understand the vex with

Koba's

slot since their posting seems tinted with some form of emotion or based around the reads on them

(re: Push on Gamma as scum with little build-up, which I found to be a bit blinded)

. I don't have any experience with

Koba

, and while I didn't follow 268 that much in terms of reads, on further thought I don't think scum plants two universes of thought that early in the game. It's very restrictive and easy to tail associations to their line of thought.

Their progression of townreading

Tracy

and

Uncrowned

have remained consistent 173 to 349.

I also don't see a lot of dialogue revolving around the scumreads behind

Koba

and that makes me more sympathetic to their frustation.

And even though I don't replace into games much at all, take my POV here with a grain of salt. My view of

Koba's

posts are biased because we're the same slot. So I'm wondering what your mechanism of solving behind the question was.

OutWorldER - I feel like every post they wrote just feels super weird. Would not be surprised if they're scum not playing because they don't feel obligated to play.

how am i not playing

huh

Your posts feel as though they blend in with the thread, who would you council if you had to choose

right now

?

And if you're not keen to answer that, I want to know what your lim option is.

~taly

p-edit

Purple something/Flea scum team.

Associations already? I think I missed the explanation for

Flea

scum, too.

I don't buy into

MC's

reasoning 498 about the

Flea's

council coming from scum because it assumes that

Flea

is scum based on a difference of reads rather than an outline on why

Noraa/Murdercat/Infinity/Flea/Tracy/Gamma

cannot be all town.

(Even though scum existing here is a valid assumption because this is 2/3rd's the plist, it's not sound because it's possible.)

So I want a nuanced read over

Gamma/Tracy

and not a pre-flip association gut feel attached to

Flea

to help me understand your perspective.

[Purple Heart]

also today is nail care day so be back soon

~taly

[Purple Heart]

The wording here is unclear, are you saying that Noraa expects us to act town because she scumreads us or that this slot is trying to emulate town based off our posts?

I’m saying noraa expects you to have to act town because she scumreads you. I thought alisae’s response to that was scummy.

why is it scummy bro?

[Purple Heart]

It read to me like you were trying to look town by being incredulous at the suggestion that you had to act.

And why can’t I be town acting like this?
For every scum player who acts that way you will find 2 more town players who will act the same way

[Purple Heart]

That’s what gut is for

thats super believable bro.
Totally a 100% natural read that may or may not be agenda based

[Purple Heart]

Your approach that you won't answer due to your read is fair, but is your read more based around Koba's posts or this hydra's?

I hope your answer isn't playstyle, again.

both u scummy af honestly. DK was off their town meta. You made a big deal out of me calling you scum.

Is this all there is to your read? Because if it is it is super scummy considering you rep’d in a slot that I rep’d out of, because I was town in that game and I was literally the same in that game as I am here.

[Purple Heart]

The wording here is unclear, are you saying that Noraa expects us to act town because she scumreads us or that this slot is trying to emulate town based off our posts?

aint that hard. I think ur slot is scum and I want it dead. Don't understand why both heads are gonna fuss about it. It's a weird approach regardless of alignment but defo pings scum.

BECAUSE IF UR TOWN
YOU ARE WRONG

[Purple Heart]

And at teh same time you are probably playing into scum’s hand.

[Purple Heart]

Your approach that you won't answer due to your read is fair, but is your read more based around Koba's posts or this hydra's?

I hope your answer isn't playstyle, again.

both u scummy af honestly. DK was off their town meta. You made a big deal out of me calling you scum.

Is this all there is to your read? Because if it is it is super scummy considering you rep’d in a slot that I rep’d out of, because I was town in that game and I was literally the same in that game as I am here.

lmfao you really think I ever look at my predecessors posts in a game that I repped into on like day 4 or something?

Yeah you really should
You don’t even have to read that much just the tail end of the ISO

[Purple Heart]

Noraa’s read on my slot is super unnatural and she legit doesn’t care LMAO

Pedit: You don’t even care about being right alright lmao

[Purple Heart]

At least with Infinity he maybe seems like he wants to be right?
That’s like, a point in his favor?
You on the other hand literally do not care.

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Like my job here is to evaluate the reads on me that I feel like are bullshit and the reads that aren’t.
Your read on me is complete bullshit and Idunno what to tell you

[Purple Heart]

What kind of townie ignores evidence that proves they might be wrong?
Holy shit dude.

[Purple Heart]

I do think I’ve been a bit lazy with this game today and I want to re-evaluate a bit. I have only played with town noraa once before, but I keep getting worried since she looks so towny here and normally doesn’t as town lol. I would like alisae to go into depth on a read because he has trouble faking depth as scum iirc.

I actually think her scumread our slot is fine. I don't think anything me and Taly can pump out right away will invalidate her read on koba.

I think the biggest difference between town!noraa and scum!noraa is I feel like scum!noraa will want to paint our slot scummy using whatever means possible and saying I'm overeacting does that. I think to noraa saying that me overeacting is scummy allows her to maintain an ironclad reason to scumread me. If she was town, why would she continue pressing me for overeacting when I told her that I act like this all of the time? This doesn't make sense to me.

[Purple Heart]

Like if Noraa was town, anything me and Taly post probably doesn't matter to her.
I feel like Noraa painting our play as scummy is extremely unnatural.

[Purple Heart]

Infinity truth is, I panic a lot when I get scumread as both alignments I can give you links but tbh I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two at a point.
atm I have no idea what's going on.

Like in my rant to taly I literally posted this before I started posting again in thread

Yo I actually have no idea what the fuck is happening in this game anymore tbh
Is it infinity who is pushing me for his 503 because that’s not how scum actually act and for every scum player who acts that way a town player can also act that way
Is it noraa for calling my playstyle scummy when she literally replaced into a town slot I was in where I was doing the exact same things?
Is it flea or Overworld for just being non-contributors and letting town kill itself?
Is it that one dude who wrote 420 for TMIing us town?

Like I honestly just have no idea whats going on atm so please be patient for me. As of writing this I think its noraa because calling me scum for overeacting just seems way too unnatural for it to be town.

[Purple Heart]

The Purple slot ate their TR on me really fast.

Why would I not throw my TR away on you when you started pushing me for bullshit hello?

[Purple Heart]

I think the biggest difference between town!noraa and scum!noraa is I feel like scum!noraa will want to paint our slot scummy using whatever means possible

What makes you think that? I think very strong reads are town indicative for Noraa

There is a difference between "strong" and "unnatural"

When you have a few valid concerns that you feel like need to be addressed but how the person is addressing them just doesn't work for you, that would be a strong read. It's strong because the concerns cannot be addressed.
When you are doing everything in your power to force a read, you are being unnatural. When you are trying to justify a read using anything you can grab onto, you are being unnatural.

Which one do you think Noraa is right now? Do you think she has valid concerns or do you think she's just trying to force the read?

[Purple Heart]

Purple definitely is starting to read genuine

please help me

[Purple Heart]

Which one do you think Noraa is right now? Do you think she has valid concerns or do you think she's just trying to force the read?

I disagree with the premise of the question. I think this is town Noraa thinking she caught scum. Off the top of my head I can think of three examples where Noraa acted like this. She was right for one of them

How am I supposed to identify that? To me it seems like noraa is just forcing down a read and refusing to listen to anything that might prove that she's wrong.

Also no offense, but how am I supposed to trust your meta on noraa? What if you 2 are both scum covering for each other?

[Purple Heart]

ali <3

sleeeeeeep

i cant talk much for the remainder of the evening, but i want to clarify something about

Noraa

and reply to

Infinity

Infinity

; no fun 3: It's easier for me to engage with a game when people want me to spew. Do you feel that your current answers to questions you pose have helped you solve?

also today is nail care day so be back soon

~taly

The taly head is less scummy but both r low-key scummy anyways....

The Purple slot ate their TR on me really fast.

just seems way too unnatural

both heads using the same phrase to SR me is a 99% scum tell. Hydras never work like that even if they agree with each other.

>

This head did not state a townread or a scumread on you. Your posts of me are a misrepresentation. I am evaluating the strength of the reads on you so I can solve you and your interactions better.

But it is good to know that you scumread both heads outside of

Koba

.

~taly

[Purple Heart]

just seems way too unnatural

both heads using the same phrase to SR me is a 99% scum tell. Hydras never work like that even if they agree with each other.

How many hydra’s have you been apart of? Is it a single digit number?
I’ve been in a lot of hydras, like 10 or maybe 20 honestly.

Like if you’re town, I don’t believe how delusional you must be to think you perfectly understand everything there is to understand about hydras when you just started playing on site and you’re just starting to try out hydraing.

Like, I’ve not been apart of a lot of hydras (Even with more then 2 players in them, hell, I’ve even apart of one of the biggest hydras on site that was had 12+ People in them), but I’ve modded a hell of a lot of games, and was the best mod in 2017, partially because I modded really cool Hydra ONLY games.

I feel like I would understand hydras to know more then well enough that you are just wrong here. If player’s view the game similarly, they will tend to use the same words. It rubs off of people. It’s very easy for both heads of a hydra to use the same phrases.

And that’s because this is a really amazing hydra. Its a hydra where both players are participating and thinking about the game and cooperating with each other. Talking to Taly about reads has been a blast.

This isn’t an experience you will get right away because sometimes hydras just won’t work.

You’re not lucky and you just don’t understand hydras well enough to deduce what is a scumtell and what isn’t.

[Purple Heart]

Oh nvm that was all Ali?

Ok well Ali is either an extremely scummy player or just scum here.

Taly signs all of his posts.

Honestly, this is somewhat releaving to hear.
You might actually just be town

[Purple Heart]

I'll apologize for 588 most of that post came from feelings of me feeling like my experience and knowledge of the game when it came to hydras. I know a lot about hydras and I've participated in many and modded games with many of them. I'm sorry if you feel like that discredits any of your experiences.

[Purple Heart]

@Purple

First of all... hi!

Secondly. Yeah, the MURDER/Infinity/Noraa came from the circle voting and what felt like really unearned and handed out TRs. Although I believe MURDER may less likely be part of that now given some of his posting. I think out of the 3 of them he's most likely Town.

Hi! Let's talk, because quite frankly you worry me a lot.
I'm assuming you think the team is Infinity and Noraa?

I honestly disagree.
I think it would be really impressive for noraa and infinity to cordinate a play where me and noraa get in a fight and another member of the scumteam tries to break it up.
Mostly because I don't really see the point here, both slots just benefit from letting me self-destruct and explode. There's no reason to step in and mediate this fight if you're scum UNLESS you're scum with me.

I feel like for infinity to be scum, it would be much more realistic for him to be scum with me then noraa. If I'm scum with him, he has more incentive to try to break up the fight then to let it keep going.

What I'm basically trying to say is I don't think it makes sense for it to be Infinity and Noraa.
If you really think that Infinity is scum, wouldn't make more sense for him to be scum with me?
Like I'm town, I know I'm town, and I think Infinity is town because as scum it makes no sense for him to break up this fight.

[Purple Heart]

No, I said I think 1 of the 3 is scum and that the other two were being semi-pocketed, and now I think MURDER is less likely to be part of that, so it's more like 1 of Infinity/Noraa are scum.

The other scum is probably between Flea/Gamma.

Okay, this is somewhat better.
Who exactly do you think is scum and why do you think the gamestate is the way it is?

[Purple Heart]

I really don't care for 1 scum in {2 people} and 1 scum in {Another 2 people} I want you to present me a team and why you think that is the team.

[Purple Heart]

Yo Infinity, how do you feel about Gamma?

[Purple Heart]

I have a proposition for you.

Gamma may not be anything special, but I actually have a lot of respect for him.
I think if he is scum, I believe one of 2 things will happen
- He will attempt to play me like a fiddle and enable me to just go kaboom
- I will read him correctly and we kill him.

If he's town, I believe we will both be able to identify each other as long as we have a mediator.

Taly isn't 100% on board, but from what I've seen so far of Gamma, I think he looks fine?
Do you think that maybe we should try to push for a council between you me and gamma?
tbh, I feel like I'm going to need the hood of noraa is actually town because the last few times I've played mafia I just had mafia deathtunnel me for the whole fucking game which results in me continuing to self-destruct. I need someone to mediate me and Taly is doing his best, but we're the same slot, and having an outside perspective is really good.

[Purple Heart]

Like I'm not sure on committing to this yet.
Taly really wants to talk to Gamma and I feel like its inappropriate to commit to this when he isn't ready to.
but think about it.

[Purple Heart]

plus I need the hood.
I can't deal with noraa all game if she's just going to deathtunnel me and she's actually town.

[Purple Heart]

I think Infinity is playing a rather calculated game and I don't really see why he's TRing me? I think he's handing out reads a little too easily. Trajectories don't make sense to me.

Between Flea/Gamma I'll need to reread. Both gave me active lurk vibes which I generally don't like.

I don't really have an answer about gamestate, outside of people trying to sell themselves as Town more than they do usually, but I believe that's a by-product of the setup and that it's probably not AI as both town and scum would be equally invested into getting onto the council.

Why is Infinity trying to break up the fight between me and noraa? It may be calculated but why would he do that? How does it benefit him? And what's his gameplan? Who do you think he's going to want to vote if he's scum?

[Purple Heart]

Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

I'm not sure if this addresses your points, but I really feel like from a logical perspective, there is always 2 scum, they know who each other are, and they're going to work together to win the game. The game is a team game, not a solo game. You can't 1v9 games easily. This ain't league of legends.

As you get more flips, you get more hints and clues as to who is manipulating the gamestate (aka, who are the scum). Because there are people out there that are manipulating the gamestate and they're likely working together to do so.

Things happen for a reason. If you're town, you are presented with a puzzle and it is your job to solve it.

[Purple Heart]

Hi me and Taly are the new koba

welp
I have bad memories with this hydra (not that I hold it against them). thank god for ONE of the new site rules being a thing

In our defense
we were in the right to sheep beeboy.

[Purple Heart]

Also I think during 2018 there was something exceptionally going wrong with my mental health and I had to resort to doing THAT.
Now before the site policy, I had to resort to doing THAT with koba actually and I was actually warned and told not to do that.

[Purple Heart]

that's true
I have no problem with your reads that game but how I was treated

This might sound super manipulative because I see myself as a manipulative person (because I hate myself).
But I honestly don't know how the fuck you tolerate me tbh.

[Purple Heart]

Like why do you stick around me dude?
I treated you like that way similarly in FakeGod's game.

[Purple Heart]

I actually realized
have I apologized for how mean I was to you in 2018?
I was so mean to you I'm sorry dude.

[Purple Heart]

Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

I'm not sure if this addresses your points, but I really feel like from a logical perspective, there is always 2 scum, they know who each other are, and they're going to work together to win the game. The game is a team game, not a solo game. You can't 1v9 games easily. This ain't league of legends.

As you get more flips, you get more hints and clues as to who is manipulating the gamestate (aka, who are the scum). Because there are people out there that are manipulating the gamestate and they're likely working together to do so.

Things happen for a reason. If you're town, you are presented with a puzzle and it is your job to solve it.

This is fair.

I don't consider myself a great or even a good scumhunter. I had a stretch of games in late 2019/2020 (when I joined here) where I was decent at catching at least 1 out of 2 scum in most of my games. I think I only played games where there were 2 scum as well.

Much of the reason I haven't or didn't play in many larger games is solely because I don't think I'm good at finding teams unless I'm playing social deduction games in person. I haven't been able to test this theory out entirely yet, but I'd say given my brief experience on site that this is not one of my strong suits. Hence why I try to simplify by looking for who I find independently scummy, and then sorting teams out later if I'm still alive by then.

I see the value in finding teams for sure, but I'm not going to sit here and bullshit and pretend I'm seeing a team here D1 when I'm not. If I actually had a strong read and was sure I was actually seeing a lot of equity between two slots, I'd mention it. But I'm not, and I think it's more harmful to town to come up with reads I don't have faith in myself.

Micros become progressively more easier the deeper you get into the game. The smaller the game the better.

[Purple Heart]

Infinity who is scum?

[Purple Heart]

Thank you
it means a lot
thank you for tolerating me

[Purple Heart]

OutWorldER - I feel like every post they wrote just feels super weird. Would not be surprised if they're scum not playing because they don't feel obligated to play.

how am i not playing

huh

Your posts feel as though they blend in with the thread, who would you council if you had to choose

right now

?

And if you're not keen to answer that, I want to know what your lim option is.

probably myself, MC, uncrowned. if I couldn't self-vote i'd pick noraa. i'd rather have safe options i'm mostly sure are town at the current moment. lim option is probably Infinity because my gut feels the worst about him and flipping one of the {Infinity, Gamma, Koba slot} three-way that happened earlier will probably help me with the remaining two guys.

i will admit i'm mostly sheeping stuff koba and others have said right now but i'm also just not a very strong or convicted player at these early stages of the game

why Infinity?

[Purple Heart]

Noraa being scum would make me happy because that would mean that scum decided to deathtunnel me again but this time they actually get punished for it.
That would be nice to see for once instead of just letting them live for long periods of time to let them get close to, or maybe actually winning the game.

[Purple Heart]

Why are you suspicious of Murder?

[Purple Heart]

Honestly, not sure.
I feel a lot better about infinity. Not sure why Infinity breaks up the fight between me and Noraa.
Noraa I honestly will just never be sure about. I townread scum who deathtunnel me all of the time and flip flop between it all of the time.
I want to like uncrowned mostly because I feel like his approach to the game is more natural but I wanna talk to Taly about it to see if he thinks I'm just full of shit or not.

Like, if you forced me to put a vote down, it would be on flea or OutWorlder

[Purple Heart]

idk about flea as scum, kinda thought they've been towny
but beyond that your reads and your thoughts seem good on a "yeah this makes sense as a thought process" level

What do you think has been towny from them? Honestly its possible I just missed something

[Purple Heart]

Why are you suspicious of Murder?

He’s a lot less proactive than when I played with him as town before, and it feels like he’s trying to buddy me (whereas normally when we’re both town, it’s the other way around lol)

I mean this sounds valid?
I honestly don't really have anything to say about it other then that because like I don't really know much about the dynamic between you two.
If anything, it does seem like he is a little bit less productive maybe?

[Purple Heart]

Noraa being scum would make me happy because that would mean that scum decided to deathtunnel me again but this time they actually get punished for it.
That would be nice to see for once instead of just letting them live for long periods of time to let them get close to, or maybe actually winning the game.

Why do you think I'm going to die? perspective slip? scum tend to think I'm LHF.

I'm confused?
How did you get the idea that I think you are going to die when I said "it would be nice."

Like, I've been deathtunneled a lot by scum who have be determined to agendapush me too many times and you seem to fit all of the notes except you recognized that I could just be a "scummy player" from your POV. Which means there's hope for you and you could be town.

[Purple Heart]

Honestly, not sure.
I feel a lot better about infinity. Not sure why Infinity breaks up the fight between me and Noraa.
Noraa I honestly will just never be sure about. I townread scum who deathtunnel me all of the time and flip flop between it all of the time.
I want to like uncrowned mostly because I feel like his approach to the game is more natural but I wanna talk to Taly about it to see if he thinks I'm just full of shit or not.

Like, if you forced me to put a vote down, it would be on flea or OutWorlder

basically .... there are no reads? idk this post reads super fence sitty and ur still scum imo.

what the fuck?
I literally said, I feel better about Infinity
I'm not sure about you but in my latest post that I have hope for you.
And that I want to like uncrowned.

And also I would vote flea or OutWorlder

How is that me saying "I don't have reads lol xD"
How am I fencesitting
What fence am I even sitting on?

[Purple Heart]

I am so confused right now like what

[Purple Heart]

I am only fencesitting on you and I have reason to do that because of my past experiences of people who have decided to deathtunnel me.
How does that even make me scum?

[Purple Heart]

omg I'm malding

[Purple Heart]

idk about flea as scum, kinda thought they've been towny
but beyond that your reads and your thoughts seem good on a "yeah this makes sense as a thought process" level

What do you think has been towny from them? Honestly its possible I just missed something

A certain level of inquisitiveness I've seen. It's probably me who's being surface-level here honestly tho

I'll look into it with Taly.
What do you think of noraa?

[Purple Heart]

fuck man idunno i mean
does scum!noraa randomly say that I could just be a scummy player
I mean, to be fair, its not something they've gone out of their way to entertain. I feel like they've just been dead set on tunneling me still so maybe that was a fluke?

[Purple Heart]

Why are you suspicious of Murder?

He’s a lot less proactive than when I played with him as town before, and it feels like he’s trying to buddy me (whereas normally when we’re both town, it’s the other way around lol)

I think I probably won't be able to find you if you are scum so i decided to just act as if you are town. It gives me a starting point for the day at least

Do you believe that if Infinity is town he will draw a nightkill?

[Purple Heart]

Do you believe that if Infinity is town he will draw a nightkill?

Tonight or ever? Also in the current gamestate or is he capable of it?

I don't think infinity would draw a N1 kill at the moment. But it depends on who scum is, they might respect him. If I were scum I would kill him. I think I am perhaps town read enough to draw a night kill, but probably not respected enough as a scum finder to get shot tonight.

Let's say tonight given if the day were to end in this gamestate.

I'm basically asking because I only give day passes to
- people who I feel like will just resolve themselves somehow ie here, that would be getting shot and because of that, it would just be a better use of time to just not read them.
- people who I feel like are easier to sort as we get deeper into the game.

Do you feel like Infinity fits into either of these categories?

[Purple Heart]

have you done it before?

[Purple Heart]

bruh

[Purple Heart]

Purple trying so hard to get TRed. Whatever, I get to tell everyone I told you so whenever they flip red.

I'm always like this

[Purple Heart]

btw I think I become a lot more interested in flipping murder if noraa flips red.

[Purple Heart]

last I talked to Taly he was not liking the murder slot so I'm wondering what he thinks of the slot when he does get back.

[Purple Heart]

wait what the fuck

[Purple Heart]

wait what the fuck

[Purple Heart]

Infinity if it helps, I didn't really even know you SRed DK and if I remember correctly, I SRed DK before you anyways so if anything ur the one pocketing.

Infinity, did she literally respond to you by saying "No U" when she posted everything you quoted in 675?
What the fuck

[Purple Heart]

Is this real life?

[Purple Heart]

Accusing you of buddying?
That's fucking wild

[Purple Heart]

ya honestly im voting noraa when we're ready to end the day.
Im done tolerating this bullshit
I literally can't imagine town doing that like literally ever

[Purple Heart]

Im done tolerating this bullshit

you are so over the top its almost funny. Im debating whether I even want my hydra to rep in now cuz if I bring him in just to witness another dang town Noraa day 1 elim, I'm actually going to die of shame.

wow you’re correct yeah I am being over the top I’m trying to have a good time and entertain myself. I’m not high and it’s not like I drink alcohol.

[Purple Heart]

I’m having fun noraa.
Wbu?

[Purple Heart]

Buddy everyone like how you buddied Infinity and then tried to blame him for buddying you?

[Purple Heart]

I’m having fun noraa.
Wbu?

I mean, if everyone starts turning on me because of you, I won't be happy cuz I still think ur scum and u have no valid reasons against me that isn't like pure OMGUSing

Just play better next time

[Purple Heart]

I think the whole scum team is just in {uncrowned, purple, flea}

>immedietly SR's and attacks the people who point out she's playing badly and town shouldn't do this

yep, this is noraa's town game

Why are you enabling this?

[Purple Heart]

I’m having fun noraa.
Wbu?

I mean, if everyone starts turning on me because of you, I won't be happy cuz I still think ur scum and u have no valid reasons against me that isn't like pure OMGUSing

Just play better next time

does this not come off as TMI?
it basically like ... assumes I'm town cuz scum doesn't do better at all. all their reads were fake.

I’m talking trash

[Purple Heart]

Man ur desperate

[Purple Heart]

Gamma does that readlist remind you of diamond’s reads from the Fakegod game?
It sure does ring some bells to me

[Purple Heart]

Alright
I can back off a bit

[Purple Heart]

Ur right infinity I’m honestly being obnoxious right now

[Purple Heart]

Angry Noraa is more likely to be scum actually so I suddenly feel the read weakening

there really is no one in this world that can read me

Look, I’ll be reasonable here.
It was like that on my first few months on the site.
If ur town here, it’s probably just the same thing that’s happening and I feel like if ur town, you’re making it really hard to identify.

[Purple Heart]

Here’s a funny story for you noraa.
During my first year on site, some of my friends decided to talk about how poor town’s win rates and how well scum winrate’s were and they compared that to my townplay and my scumplay.
They called it the alisae effect and the thesis was basically that the cause for the site’s poor town win rates and good scum winrates come from me joining the site due to the fact that at the time, I was bad at town and good at scum.

Being the d1 lynch sucks. I Get it. It happened to me a lot, and it still happens to me.

But the first step to getting lynched less is to try to find out what you’re doing wrong in your games and what you’re doing right in your games.

Let’s say that I am actually scum and you’re town.
Even if you had a good read on me the whole time, does it really matter if you get lynched and no one cares afterwards? Who cares if you read me correctly if you can’t kill me due to the fact that no one trusted you.

Noraa, if you’re town, please recognize that maybe you’re being really unreasonable. I’m begging you.

Pedit: Just saw the post. Give me a moment to read it please

[Purple Heart]

You see the problem is that if ur town, u'll have to think about it from my perspective.

From my perspective, ur predecessor was scummy af and completely off their town meta.

Then u barge in and make a huge deal out of my SR on you. You run around and buddy everyone except me with a shit ton of AtE and ur TR on me disappears as soon as I express a light SR on you. You push me for crappier reasons than I am pushing you for. You seem really over the top and everything from u feels overly exaggerated. I'll admit, my reasons on you aren't the strongest but seriously speaking ur OMGUSing is bad.

You successfully buddy everyone else. I start going under and from my perspective, it now looks like ur trying to be the one to "help me out". I don't care if town!you always wants to buddy everyone in sight but what ur doing is making me SR u hard. I think u'd have to do something literally insane for me to reverse this read.

If I were u and I wanted a TR from me, I'd just shut it and wait for Taly to do it cuz that's ur last hope of every getting a TR from me. I will not be convinced by you.

thank you

You're in the right to maintain the read you had on my predecessor, but here's the issue.

I'm town, and if you're town, we need to work out our issues otherwise scum will just win because we wanted to kill each other. Okay?

I think you're in the right to scumread me for most of these things actually, but here's the thing.
- How am I supposed to react to people literally saying that I'm scum for being like "I don't to act like I am town because I just am town" I honestly don't remember what the exact quote was. It's not like I can ignore it because the same people that could be saying that could also be scum and in my experience, it has been easier to identify scum who are scumreading me and town who are scumreading me.
- Who am I supposed to talk to calmly while you're running around like a chicken with it's head chopped off and calling for my head? How am I not supposed to be overwhelmed by that? If you're town I just joined the game and you're immediately calling for my head like what do you want me to do?
- If you think my arguements are crappy, how am I supposed to respond to someone who I think is scum who is literally just taking every post I say and is trying to frame it in the most scummy way possible.
- I'm really over the top because that's just who I am. I'll leave it to everyone else to judge if they think I'm scum for being over the top.

how am I supposed to respond to summon who just seems like they want to tunnel me into the ground?

[Purple Heart]

it has been easier to identify scum who are scumreading me and town who are scumreading me.

Ok not 2 B rude but I feel like when I’ve done this in the past you haven’t cottoned to it so it’s funny to see you do it now

wow

[Purple Heart]

You see the problem is that if ur town, u'll have to think about it from my perspective.

From my perspective, ur predecessor was scummy af and completely off their town meta.

Then u barge in and make a huge deal out of my SR on you. You run around and buddy everyone except me with a shit ton of AtE and ur TR on me disappears as soon as I express a light SR on you. You push me for crappier reasons than I am pushing you for. You seem really over the top and everything from u feels overly exaggerated. I'll admit, my reasons on you aren't the strongest but seriously speaking ur OMGUSing is bad.

You successfully buddy everyone else. I start going under and from my perspective, it now looks like ur trying to be the one to "help me out". I don't care if town!you always wants to buddy everyone in sight but what ur doing is making me SR u hard. I think u'd have to do something literally insane for me to reverse this read.

If I were u and I wanted a TR from me, I'd just shut it and wait for Taly to do it cuz that's ur last hope of every getting a TR from me. I will not be convinced by you.

thank you

You're in the right to maintain the read you had on my predecessor, but here's the issue.

I'm town, and if you're town, we need to work out our issues otherwise scum will just win because we wanted to kill each other. Okay?

I think you're in the right to scumread me for most of these things actually, but here's the thing.
- How am I supposed to react to people literally saying that I'm scum for being like "I don't to act like I am town because I just am town" I honestly don't remember what the exact quote was. It's not like I can ignore it because the same people that could be saying that could also be scum and in my experience, it has been easier to identify scum who are scumreading me and town who are scumreading me.
- Who am I supposed to talk to calmly while you're running around like a chicken with it's head chopped off and calling for my head? How am I not supposed to be overwhelmed by that? If you're town I just joined the game and you're immediately calling for my head like what do you want me to do?
- If you think my arguements are crappy, how am I supposed to respond to someone who I think is scum who is literally just taking every post I say and is trying to frame it in the most scummy way possible.
- I'm really over the top because that's just who I am. I'll leave it to everyone else to judge if they think I'm scum for being over the top.

how am I supposed to respond to summon who just seems like they want to tunnel me into the ground?

I mean you could literally just ignore for a bit? It's not like I'm successfully convincing anyone anyways? I don't understand the panic from ur perspective at all.

Truth is its an issue that I've had ever since I started playing the game. Ask Gamma Emerald.
I believe it comes from fear of abandonment and being disliked and hated. I'm actually pretty insecure and being scumread can really mess with this. Mostly because I was bullied in a toxic gamer community on voice chat when I was 12-13. That's probably where it comes from.

tl;dr: Its personal problems.

[Purple Heart]

In High School even though I was really popular I was always afraid/worried that people might be spreading rumors about me.

It's just who I am.

[Purple Heart]

I have trouble reading players that throw around AtE like nothing mostly because its one of the things scum!me loves to do.

Yeah, I guess that can be really hard huh?
There's one player on this site who I used to like playing with avoid like the plague. They really knew how to use AtE and used everything in their toolbox to manipulate me and get me to do what they wanted me to do. They were extreme about it and now they hate me, but honestly, I shouldn't be playing with them to begin with. I can't handle that playstyle as well.

All I'm asking you to do is just try to look at the issue from my perspective.

[Purple Heart]

Truth is its an issue that I've had ever since I started playing the game. Ask Gamma Emerald.
I believe it comes from fear of abandonment and being disliked and hated. I'm actually pretty insecure and being scumread can really mess with this. Mostly because I was bullied in a toxic gamer community on voice chat when I was 12-13. That's probably where it comes from.

tl;dr: Its personal problems.

*phew*
this AtE is overwhelming me tho this one struck further in the endless abyss I am than any other one did.
Alright.
Fine.
Consider me pockit'd. I will truce for now.
The AtE is overwhelming but I am questioning whether or not scum!you can make it this realistic.
UNVOTE:

Okay this is good but not exactly good enough.
You're having trouble finding other townies right?
Let's talk about that.

For the record, is this an accurate view on how you see the playerlist?

Outworld - full on scumbucket
Purple - the Ali half is a big scum bucket with nothing but woe is me AtE
Uncrowned - big scumbucket
Gamma - somewhat a scumbucket
Murder - never know what u can trust ; medium scum bucket
Infinity - too towny; last game I thought u were scum and u were town
Flea - half a scumbucket
tracy - barely even remember who this is

If so, let's talk about whoever you want to talk about.
I think it would be the most productive to talk about a single individual and then when we both come to a conclusion that we can agree with, move onto the next individual.
Is this okay?

[Purple Heart]

Ali iirc the only people you ever blacklisted were drealmerz (who you were right about) and someone else
Is that second person the one you mean

Gamma you were there for it. You saw that D1 that D1 was a disaster.

[Purple Heart]

For the record, is this an accurate view on how you see the playerlist?

lmfao no. I just wanted to call everyone scummy.

oh.
You know what, that's relatable. I had moments like that as well where I just wanted to call out the whole playerlist for being annoying.

How do you feel about the other players atm?

[Purple Heart]

The only people I have ever really blacklisted that I didn't mention are
drealmerz
momo
Ramicus (though I haven't played with him in awhile so I could consider giving him another shot)
and yume (mostly because she flakes everything)

[Purple Heart]

Ali iirc the only people you ever blacklisted were drealmerz (who you were right about) and someone else
Is that second person the one you mean

Gamma you were there for it. You saw that D1 that D1 was a disaster.

D1 of what, antechamber? Idr what you mean otherwise

TREE GAME GAMMA
TREE GAME

[Purple Heart]

man i wish i could bleach that game out of my memory like you did.

[Purple Heart]

Ali iirc the only people you ever blacklisted were drealmerz (who you were right about) and someone else
Is that second person the one you mean

Gamma you were there for it. You saw that D1 that D1 was a disaster.

D1 of what, antechamber? Idr what you mean otherwise

TREE GAME GAMMA
TREE GAME

Ok
I don’t see how that was entirely relevant, though maybe if I read your ISO in that game I could

just read LLD's iso I don't know why I just didn't say her name in the first place.

[Purple Heart]

For the record, is this an accurate view on how you see the playerlist?

lmfao no. I just wanted to call everyone scummy.

oh.
You know what, that's relatable. I had moments like that as well where I just wanted to call out the whole playerlist for being annoying.

How do you feel about the other players atm?

Cant read people when their TRs on me are all going away for bullshit reasons. Using Death Curse against me is probably the dirtiest thing to do atm considering it was a big blow to me and regardless of alignment, I will be efforting less on all of my current games because of it.

Using Death curse against me anytime recent is just plain mean.

I understand why - human paranoia but people need to realize that game will affect every single game I have in a nearby vicinity.

I agree, I think in general if you're always being fos'ed because you played well in previous games. I feel like its especially frustrating to be told "I scumread you every game becuase I respect your scumrange." I actually have had someone tell that to me before and it was frustrating to deal with because I was completely helpless and in general it felt like there was nothing can be done.

I think if a lot of people's TRs on you are all going away for bullshit reasons, we should put those bullshit reasons under a microscope to try to figure out what alignment is posting that.

[Purple Heart]

@Gamma Noraa almost carried the scumteam but lost in what was essentially ELo in a nailbiter.

this brings me back to that one game that was flipless nightless mountainous blitz and I tried so hard to get to F3 only to have to go on a roadtrip and not really play it out the way I wanted to.
That still haunts me to this day actually.

[Purple Heart]

I think if a lot of people's TRs on you are all going away for bullshit reasons, we should put those bullshit reasons under a microscope to try to figure out what alignment is posting that.

problem is ... human paranoia is real and its also easily faked.

We have to try though. And I encourage you to do so because the end result will be worth it.

[Purple Heart]

I’m not gonna read 400 pages for some jokes

Nah they were like really pretty funny

memes posted by a flareon?
I doubt it tbh

[Purple Heart]

post your best meme right now flareon

[Purple Heart]

@Gamma Noraa almost carried the scumteam but lost in what was essentially ELo in a nailbiter.

this brings me back to that one game that was flipless nightless mountainous blitz and I tried so hard to get to F3 only to have to go on a roadtrip and not really play it out the way I wanted to.
That still haunts me to this day actually.

Yeah, Purple, I made it to a 3 person limlo, vigged one of them and still lost because the game mechanics were funky.

-nornor

I've gotten to so many F3s as scum and it felt impossible to actually win any of them.
Final 3 and Late Game as scum is hard. Even I struggle with it.

[Purple Heart]

I haven't actually looked over the game yet, but I imagine that sounds literally awful.

[Purple Heart]

@Gamma Noraa almost carried the scumteam but lost in what was essentially ELo in a nailbiter.

this brings me back to that one game that was flipless nightless mountainous blitz and I tried so hard to get to F3 only to have to go on a roadtrip and not really play it out the way I wanted to.
That still haunts me to this day actually.

Yeah, Purple, I made it to a 3 person limlo, vigged one of them and still lost because the game mechanics were funky.

-nornor

I've gotten to so many F3s as scum and it felt impossible to actually win any of them.
Final 3 and Late Game as scum is hard. Even I struggle with it.

I got to F2 with my dayvig that I saved. But because the game mechanic gave town basically a dayvig as well, I got dayvigged in F2 and lost O_O

-nornor

did you not get told that? what.

[Purple Heart]

thats messed up

[Purple Heart]

I think this post that DGB made in another game is completely relevant here.

Ok that was probably a bit dumb from me

You'll have a funny story to tell.

[Purple Heart]

did you not get told that? what.

it was a mech thing. I knew about it. If I hadn't dayvigged, I had to make it to F2 to win but I was about to die in F3 so I figured I'd go down in style and dayvig a person LOL.

-nornor

I respect that.
F3 is really really hard.
If you're gonna lose anyways, you might as well go out like a bang

[Purple Heart]

noraa, I've been up for over 24 hours.
I want to eat some dinner and probably go to sleep soon.
I don't mind chit chatting but I do want to talk about reads and stuff but would it be okay if we talked about that stuff tomorrow. Also this allows us to give the thread some space to need. Its appropriate to give the thread that space sometimes.

[Purple Heart]

Where exactly are you standing with your reads.
I'm sorry if I asked this earlier but I'm not exactly sure where you stand atm.

[Purple Heart]

lmao gnite

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Purple
HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Gamma

I like gamma’s casual-ness to approaching reads, whereas he tried to look town more in haunted village. I have some paranoia wrt uncrowned and haven’t solidified my outworlder read, so I’m actually most comfortable with gamma as my second strongest TR.

Yeah honestly, I think this is the strongest student counsel we can ask for.
When it comes to doctor saves, the amount of kills I stopped is stupidly high for no reason. I can actually provide links but I'm either getting like super lucky or I just know how to use protection roles well.
My vote here is in spirit but I feel like it would be inappropriate for me to commit to this because I remember Taly telling me he wanted to talk to Gamma.

[Purple Heart]

Purple/Noraa probably TvT.

Infinity backtracking on his TR of me because he hasn't pocketed me yet = scum.

Gamma no trajectory SR on my slot = scum.

Solved. You're welcome guys.

prodigy gamer right here boyz
you're gonna go far kid

[Purple Heart]

I'm sorry I can't stop laughing becuase Infinity and Gamma are like my biggest TRs atm.

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Purple
HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Gamma

I like gamma’s casual-ness to approaching reads, whereas he tried to look town more in haunted village. I have some paranoia wrt uncrowned and haven’t solidified my outworlder read, so I’m actually most comfortable with gamma as my second strongest TR.

Yeah honestly, I think this is the strongest student counsel we can ask for.
When it comes to doctor saves, the amount of kills I stopped is stupidly high for no reason. I can actually provide links but I'm either getting like super lucky or I just know how to use protection roles well.
My vote here is in spirit but I feel like it would be inappropriate for me to commit to this because I remember Taly telling me he wanted to talk to Gamma.

I think this student counsel is super strong not because of how I know how to use doctors, but I feel like I would just be able to get a lot of work done with Infinity and Gamma.
I also feel like if I am ever being unreasonable, which it is very easy for me to get, they will be able to keep me in check.

[Purple Heart]

bruh you are a gamer holy shit

[Purple Heart]

i love it

[Purple Heart]

Holy shit this thread doubled in size

Leave it to

Alisae

to breathe life into a game

Reading up

~Taly

[Purple Heart]

morning

[Purple Heart]

god this sinus inffection fucking blows

[Purple Heart]

noraa talk to me about uncrowned and how you got to the read you currently have on there

[Purple Heart]

also murdercat, I actually don't really know where you are at when it comes to your reads in general too.
Where you at flareon

[Purple Heart]

I'm probably something like this right now but I need to commit one way or the other on some of these slots. I'd also like to go through infinity and you again to commit those to strong TRs. Flea will probably stay a lean, but we will see

This might be a weird question, but why is this a priority for you over sorting this bloc of people: {tracy flick, Uncrowned, Gamma Emerald, OutWorldER}

[Purple Heart]

You know what Murder
ignore that but I'm realizing that the first line does refer to that 4 group of people.
My bad Flareon, im still waking up its a slow process

[Purple Heart]

noraa talk to me about uncrowned and how you got to the read you currently have on there

his reads are extremely hard to follow and agree with even on like a basic level.

-nornor

How does this make him scum?

[Purple Heart]

I don't buy into MC's reasoning 498 about the Flea's council coming from scum because it assumes that Flea is scum based on a difference of reads rather than an outline on why Noraa/Murdercat/Infinity/Flea/Tracy/Gamma cannot be all town. (Even though scum existing here is a valid assumption because this is 2/3rd's the plist, it's not sound because it's possible.)

I don't think this a good representation of my feeling, but maybe I didn't explain myself well

What is?

Spoiler: 574

Infinity truth is, I panic a lot when I get scumread as both alignments I can give you links but tbh I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two at a point.
atm I have no idea what's going on.

Like in my rant to taly I literally posted this before I started posting again in thread

Yo I actually have no idea what the fuck is happening in this game anymore tbh
Is it infinity who is pushing me for his 503 because that’s not how scum actually act and for every scum player who acts that way a town player can also act that way
Is it noraa for calling my playstyle scummy when she literally replaced into a town slot I was in where I was doing the exact same things?
Is it flea or Overworld for just being non-contributors and letting town kill itself?
Is it that one dude who wrote 420 for TMIing us town?

Like I honestly just have no idea whats going on atm so please be patient for me. As of writing this I think its noraa because calling me scum for overeacting just seems way too unnatural for it to be town.

goodposting, this is verbatim

ali's

mindset about

noraa

within the PT.

Oh nvm that was all Ali?

Ok well Ali is either an extremely scummy player or just scum here.

Alright, I guess signing wasn't clear previously but I'm feeling a bit side-stepped here since you didn't want to answer my original question.

Why

Infinity

town?

idk about flea as scum, kinda thought they've been towny
but beyond that your reads and your thoughts seem good on a "yeah this makes sense as a thought process" level

What do you think has been towny from them? Honestly its possible I just missed something

A certain level of inquisitiveness I've seen. It's probably me who's being surface-level here honestly tho

I'll look into it with Taly.
What do you think of noraa?

I'm liking

Flea

, tbh.
I trust his self-vote for council in 72 because he's not overt in detailing why he should be in the council. This leads me to think his POV is casual and less likely to be manufactured than if pulled to control the game narrative.
203 and 317 are sus' that I think come more from town because he isn't trying to doubtcast the slot itself, but notes why he thinks or feels a certain way about

Gamma/OWER/Koba

.
His questioning to the hydra was good because despite his view of

Koba

, he's looking at this hydra in a separate lens, or at least entertaining what this hydra's idea of the games are.
898 doesn't feel like a scum hedge on

Noraa/This slot

because he seems to be mediating an emotional conflict by not asserting a hard-lined stance around us. Doesn't feel pockety for the same reason.

I want him to elaborate on that

MC

heal, though.

Infinity if it helps, I didn't really even know you SRed DK and if I remember correctly, I SRed DK before you anyways so if anything ur the one pocketing.

I don't follow this logic, you townread

Infinity

and propose the reality he could be pocketing a slot you scumread?

Noraa trying to force townblocs already yikes lmao

Iffy on the timing with this post, why say it when

Ali/Noraa

are going back-and-forth?

I think the whole scum team is just in {uncrowned, purple, flea}

>immedietly SR's and attacks the people who point out she's playing badly and town shouldn't do this

yep, this is noraa's town game

This is the extent of most of your content in this game...

1)

Take on

Gamma

?

2)

Why not evaluate

Noraa's

scumteam proposition if she's town to you?

3)

Do you agree or disagree with my take on

Flea

?

Angry Noraa is more likely to be scum actually so I suddenly feel the read weakening

This pings me because this is immediately after

Noraa

suggesting you're pocketing her. 722

729,

Noraa

, why think that our goal is to be townread by you and not form solves ourselves?

@Taly: I’ll give you a question since you really wanted one. What are your reads on uncrowned and outworlder?

I get the impression that

OWER's

parroting the

Nora

reads while not producing content alongside of that. I'm wanting them to spew to illuminate my view of the slot's motives.

Uncrowned

is someone I'm weary of being pocketed to. Their posts toward this slot feel like a defense but I'm not seeing a scum-angle in posts like 848 because it outlined a TvT and the sincerity of this thought process was punctuated in 864.

I also like it when people diffuse and acknowledge how their tone could've been interpreted so 865 gives good vibes.

Uncrowned

is a townlean and I'm still sorting

OWER

, haven't discussed much with

Ali

on these slots, I will note.

And like, there is a legit trajectory for me. If I accept PH is town, you look way worse. That’s the gist of it.

@Taly what’s up?

Heeyyyyyy

Gamma

;D
I'm not feeling strongly with scumreads at the moment, but I do feel good about

Infinity

-town and I liked your recent interactions with

Alisae

because the vibe felt genuine when you two appeared to reconcile. I think it would've been much easier for you to look at us with more critic and suspicion.

Where are you at with

Flea

? That's a slot people doesn't seem to follow my read on.

Ooh and

Murdercat

, too.

~homework for self~

>

Metadive

Noraa

.

ALSO OMFG

JOHNNY

I MISSED HIS POST BUT FOUND HIS AVI EEEEEE

<3

~taly

[Purple Heart]

oh wow uncrowned actually posted 684...
yikes

[Purple Heart]

syntax is a rarely a strong scum tell in my experience

noraa

, what does

flea

accomplish with their tone here? 906

Actually there was one thing I was thinking, let me know if you agree purple. I think I've been given some weird TRs this game

link the posts?

~taly

p-edit

oh shit, I'm sorry

Flea!!

Thank you for correcting me.

[Purple Heart]

noraa talk to me about uncrowned and how you got to the read you currently have on there

his reads are extremely hard to follow and agree with even on like a basic level.

-nornor

How does this make him scum?

Also a lot of his posts are super like .... shady and defensive. Its like "YOU MISREPPED ME THEREFORE I CAN NOW JUST IGNORE UR READS"
if I can't follow along as well, I take it as an indication that he's not thinking from the same perspective as mine.

-kookie

Okay hmmm...
Yeah, Taly thinks Uncrowned is town. I think he's scum.
Like idunno, I see Taly's read and I like, sorta get it? I feel like there are some points where he's been natural.

I'm starting to warm up to him being scum again though.
I agree with you on the shading. The sideline shade with him calling you out for forcing a townbloc is really worrying.

[Purple Heart]

What is?

It's more that the reasoning wasn't clicking for me, it felt off, gut pings, whatever you want to call. Not that I thought Flea's council specifically had scum on it

Then can you go in depth on

Tracy/Gamma

reads?

probably myself, MC, uncrowned.

HEAL: Murdercat - HEAL: Gamma - I am more than happy with this at this time.

probably a town mindset (for MCat specifically)

I don't have a completed scum game in 4 years so I know no one has enough meta on me for this and the person I trust most to read me in this game is null/scum leaning me.

+1

I like this post because these were notes that I wanted them to elabroate on, too.

~taly

p-edit

I can see that 955 but I'm going in depth with

Noraa

metadive, I want to see what he could be seeing there.

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Purple

Gamma get's his heal probably later unless something goes seriously wrong

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Purple

Gamma get's his heal probably later unless something goes seriously wrong

consensus heal from both heads.

~taly

[Purple Heart]

@Gamma

Where are you at with Flea? That's a slot people doesn't seem to follow my read on.

Ooh and Murdercat, too.

oof i need to avoid walls. more.

~taly

[Purple Heart]

Then e doesn’t correct me, but immediately pulls out a nuanced read (not impossible from town but still) and flips eir read on me and starts to TR me.

I don't see why either alignment corrects you tbh. If I'm scum, its obviously better for me to not correct you, but if I'm town, I feel like it doesn't matter? Also you were asking me to go in depth on a read.

I can explain me flipping my read on you though, I think the way you approached my slot compared to noraa was a lot better in that while you still seemed like you scumread me at the time, it felt as if your mind was fairly open. I think in general the whole way you approached me and noraa was kinda townie and I feel like the real time interactions with you are good enough to not warrant revisiting the early pages of the game.

Hopefully that helps you out?

[Purple Heart]

I’m paranoid cause everyone’s buddying me and I don’t know how to deal with that, lol

Its okay to feel paranoid tbh. You might feel a bit better if we flip something. Or you could feel worse and feel more appropriately paranoid later throughout the game. Who knows?

[Purple Heart]

I don't think you're insane.

[Purple Heart]

I think this would be a new development in Noraa's scum game, but I was not in her other scum games I just read them for meta. Death Curse was certainly unique in a few ways.

Mostly I think claiming to have a read on Flea based on a tell but holding on to it instead of immediately putting it out there (as I would expect someone doing it for town cred to do) and hard tunneling purple are super town Noraa things. Also FWIW, I'm not going to take my lack of reading Noraa well in Death Curse as a hit to my confidence in my ability to read her because I did have a strong SR on her and the reason I came around was in large part due to a mechanical error that luckily worked out in scum's favor. (Not to take anything away from Noraa for playing well, I do think her AtE was outside of her previous scum meta and it did throw me.)

I wasn't keen on

MC's

back-and-forth on the

Noraa

read but this feels genuine because I don't think scum waffles on a partner or a towny they would want to pocket in a game that encourages townblocs as early as D1.

I feel better with their recent posting.

I'm liking Flea, tbh.
I trust his self-vote for council in 72 because he's not overt in detailing why he should be in the council. This leads me to think his POV is casual and less likely to be manufactured than if pulled to control the game narrative.
203 and 317 are sus' that I think come more from town because he isn't trying to doubtcast the slot itself, but notes why he thinks or feels a certain way about Gamma/OWER/Koba.
His questioning to the hydra was good because despite his view of Koba, he's looking at this hydra in a separate lens, or at least entertaining what this hydra's idea of the games are.
898 doesn't feel like a scum hedge on Noraa/This slot because he seems to be mediating an emotional conflict by not asserting a hard-lined stance around us. Doesn't feel pockety for the same reason.

Good take. I also liked the way flea treated their noraa scumread in their catchup, felt genuine.

eugh.. ok its TvsT. Noras doing her town thing she does apparently. It's based on self-meta she's given before so it's town-lean at best.

This was a supporting sentence for my small towncase on

Flea

. They acknowledge that self-meta may be biased but gave her the benefit of the doubt in constructing their read. Don't think scum does this and it came across as very townhunty.

If

Noraa

has issues with the slot, I want her to engage on me with the above rationale I laid out.

Also, what is your POV on

OWER/Uncrowned

? Thought I'd return the question

Why are you suspicious of Murder?

He’s a lot less proactive than when I played with him as town before, and it feels like he’s trying to buddy me (whereas normally when we’re both town, it’s the other way around lol)

I think I probably won't be able to find you if you are scum so i decided to just act as if you are town. It gives me a starting point for the day at least

I think you’re opting not to go deeper on something you very much could rn, and it’s probably towny that you are. I think it could be exploitable if you’re scum?

Yeah, I'm warming up to

Gamma

, 967 is good context for this line of thought.

Only thing I remember of

Gamma

scum is

Merchant's Daughter

and while that was 1-2 years ago, I don't get the vibe that he's lurking, deflecting, or inflating his posts to solidify a stance.

HURT: kookiemonster

(I meant to have this unhealed with the rest of the unvotes in 499)

HEAL: Gamma Emerald

I believe

Alisae

supports this heal and I think

{Infinity, Gamma}

are strong starts to a bloc. I don't like D1 townblocs in any sense but for now, I'm good with the slots.

~Taly

[Purple Heart]

This also seemed a bit over the top. But idk. The slot has done so much town since replacing in that I don’t wanna scumread them, just paranoid.

How did me responding to my ideal counsel seem over the top?

[Purple Heart]

I really want this Gamma Infinity Purple Counsel to me it sounds really strong

[Purple Heart]

okay
this is the counsel I want and I am going to push it.
I think its really strong and I don't think anything that involves me can really be any stronger then that.

[Purple Heart]

I also think we would be making a terrible mistake to not put me in the counsel.

- I want to control the doctor, its my favorite role on site.
- I can provide links, but I feel like I've shown mastery on how to use the doctor role due to the amount of kills I stop when I have the role.

[Purple Heart]

Okay
reading me saying "I want to control the doctor" sounds so scummy holy shit.
It sounds like I want to be a dictator or something.

That's not how that is meant to come across :/

[Purple Heart]

I have a soulread on gamma this game somehow. Gamma is never scum here.

unheal flea and heal gamma

[Purple Heart]

ur also healing murdercat according to teh vc

[Purple Heart]

wow

[Purple Heart]

@Kanna

- I think there might be an error in the counsel vote count.

[Purple Heart]

oooooh

[Purple Heart]

@Kanna

nvm sorry I just can't read

[Purple Heart]

I would build a different counsel around noraa but not putting me in a counsel is the same as allowing me to be the n1 kill.

[Purple Heart]

okay
this is the counsel I want and I am going to push it.
I think its really strong and I don't think anything that involves me can really be any stronger then that.

I don't hate it

heal it then

[Purple Heart]

alright then, do as you please

[Purple Heart]

I'm good for Gamma and Infinity on the council, out of curiosity though aside from track record and being a hydra, what places you in a better position than any other TR a person may have? Who would you place instead of yourself?

you but idk if

ali

feels as strongly on you as i

~taly

[Purple Heart]

Why do you want flare on to be the class president.

I don’t think mafia care too much about both players being in the council. They can yes but it seems like trying to put in a lot of energy for something that doesn’t yield that big of a reward

[Purple Heart]

Yeah look thats great and all but do you have a council that’s has murdercat in mind and is better then Infinity, Me, and Gamma?
Like, are you opposed to that council because you think one of us is scum?

[Purple Heart]

Also why are you only suggesting 1 person to be in the council?
Like, that’s just not helpful

[Purple Heart]

I’m going to force you to take a hard stance.
Who do you not feel good about in the pool of {Purple, Infinity, Gamma} and why?

[Purple Heart]

Also why are you only suggesting 1 person to be in the council?

?

i am suggesting that murdercat select the council?

That’s not how the setup works.
1 player does not select the other 2 members of the council to my understanding of the setup

[Purple Heart]

No one is doing that.

[Purple Heart]

I think it’s a reasonable way to decide the council if we can’t all agree on one.

why can’t we just agree on a council?

[Purple Heart]

It shouldn’t be hard to

[Purple Heart]

Well whatever if I had to pick 1 person to decide the council I’m picking Infinity.

[Purple Heart]

Can you explain that a bit better tracy? Does that assume the council votes are ordered? What does it say about murdercat?

@tracy

@ali Seems harder than agreeing on an elim in general.

Now that I think about it, have we even talked about an elim?

[Purple Heart]

replaces messed with my flow a little bit so i've had to reread the thread

where I'm at is I don't like Flea because 804 seemed like she was shading noraa while tiptoeing around actually calling her scum

a lot of this iso is actually random shade at others now that i look at it

purple taking control of the game, generally spurring engagement, feels obvtown

uncrowned just, feels town man. his posts feel like they come from a place of honesty

MC also feels like he's coming into a leadership position, also feels obvtown

noraa/noraa hydra is town, unfortunately

infinity still gives me weird vibes that i can't put my finger on, it's the same with gamma

so yeah, i'm gonna

VOTE: Flea
HEAL: Murdercat
HEAL: Uncrowned
HEAL: Purple Heart

Oh btw
This is our elim today
Okay?
Okay

Glad we’re all on teh same page

[Purple Heart]

our meaning me and Taly
We both think that OutWorldER is scum

[Purple Heart]

Like 1039 gives me I can solve the whole game with that one post vibes

I KNOW RIGHT

[Purple Heart]

like if i had to replace one with murdercat i'd replace gamma emerald. seemed very willing to say you were town immediately. but i get that there's obviously a lot of history there, so

why do you not feel good about Gamma?

[Purple Heart]

Tracy

, who is another person you're looking at for council?

replaces messed with my flow a little bit so i've had to reread the thread

where I'm at is I don't like Flea because 804 seemed like she was shading noraa while tiptoeing around actually calling her scum

a lot of this iso is actually random shade at others now that i look at it

purple taking control of the game, generally spurring engagement, feels obvtown

uncrowned just, feels town man. his posts feel like they come from a place of honesty

MC also feels like he's coming into a leadership position, also feels obvtown

noraa/noraa hydra is town, unfortunately

infinity still gives me weird vibes that i can't put my finger on, it's the same with gamma

so yeah, i'm gonna

VOTE: Flea
HEAL: Murdercat
HEAL: Uncrowned
HEAL: Purple Heart

Did you see my 947 take on

Flea

? My thoughts on them have not changed much.

What posts of

Gamma/Infinity

give you a weird vibe?

Is it weird that I kinda suss Flea but also don't like the outworld vote there?

No but I'd rather an explanation on how

OWER's

suspicion on

Flea

pings you more than the rationale from other slots:

(Gamma/Noraa/Uncrowned)

~taly

[Purple Heart]

Spoiler:

Koba, Outworld, Tracy = Town.

Purple
Tracy / Kookie

uncrowned + purple heart, outworlder, tracy flick > uncrowned + purple heart, tracy flick, kookie

OK I'm happy to put Tracy, MC and Gamma on a council rn. Koba is definitely not council material imo.

HEAL: Murdercat - HEAL: Gamma - I am more than happy with this at this time. So my 3rd vote goes to HEAL: Infinity as I like their style.

flea + tracy flick, murdercat, gamma emerald > flea + murdercat, gamma emerald, infinity

tracy flick, norra, gamma

HEAL: Purple
HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Gamma

I like gamma’s casual-ness to approaching reads, whereas he tried to look town more in haunted village. I have some paranoia wrt uncrowned and haven’t solidified my outworlder read, so I’m actually most comfortable with gamma as my second strongest TR.

Yeah honestly, I think this is the strongest student counsel we can ask for.

purple heart + tracy flick, kookie, gamma emerald > purple heart + infinity, gamma emerald

Ok makes sense

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

koba

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

swizzle pop

I think I trust infinity's reads more than Noraa's but I think she is town

I’m good what that council

MCat and Infinity, along with myself, are the desired set, Tracy is my compromise third

gamma emerald + infinity, murdercat, kookie > gamma emerald + infinity, murdercat, tracy flick

HEAL: swizzle pop
HEAL: infinity
HEAL: murdercat
VOTE: gamma

HEAL: Noraa
HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Purple

kookie + infinity, murdercat > kookie + infinity, purple

HURT: murdercat
HEAL: uncrowned

noraa

And murder is probably my 3rd strongest TR at this point, but I’m not confident.

HEAL: Purple
HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Gamma

I like gamma’s casual-ness to approaching reads, whereas he tried to look town more in haunted village. I have some paranoia wrt uncrowned and haven’t solidified my outworlder read, so I’m actually most comfortable with gamma as my second strongest TR.

infinity + murdercat, uncrowned, kookie > infinity + purple heart, gamma emerald

Ok makes sense

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

koba

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

swizzle pop

I think I trust infinity's reads more than Noraa's but I think she is town

{kookiemonster}
{Infinity 324, Purple Heart}

murdercat + infinity, kookie > murdercat + kookie, infinity, purple heart

HEAL: OutWorldER

Gamma

Koba

probably myself, MC, uncrowned.

outworlder + gamma emerald, purple heart > outworlder + murdercat, uncrowned

Maybe I'm just stupid but this chart thingie makes zero sense to me :/

-nornor

I agree but I think that their reasoning for wanting murdercat in council is fine and comes from a good place.

[Purple Heart]

Why?

It feels like it comes from someone who doesn’t want to put scum in the council and it doesn’t feel agenda motivated. I really don’t know to describe it so I’m doing the best I can here.

[Purple Heart]

I agree but I think that their reasoning for wanting murdercat in council is fine and comes from a good place.

no like ... I dont even know how to read the chart.

oh.
Yeah I’m just completely lost there tbh

[Purple Heart]

Noraa if you think infinity’s paranoia is fake, what do you think of his reason to be paranoid.

[Purple Heart]

Noraa if you think infinity’s paranoia is fake, what do you think of his reason to be paranoid.

I dont know what the paranoia is supposed to mean atm. His reasons to be paranoid are fair and I could see a townie being paranoid for those exact reasons.

The reason why it gives me pause is because paranoia is a townie thing that I used to love to exaggerate as scum. I dont really do that much anymore but it used to be a scum tell so naturally, I always raise my eyebrows a bit when I see it.

-nornor

It doesn’t feel that exaggerated to me.

[Purple Heart]

HURT: purple
HEAL: uncrowned

Sorry purple. This is where I’m at rn.

I sure can’t wait to die tonight

[Purple Heart]

Bro I can’t believe you value uncrowned living more then me
I actually don’t know what to say

[Purple Heart]

HURT: purple
HEAL: uncrowned

Sorry purple. This is where I’m at rn.

I sure can’t wait to die tonight

I don't wanna comment on stuff like this too much cuz it'll give scums more to work with but my personal opinion is that scum wouldn't nk you. I dont wanna go too in depth but if u want my reasons I can give like a few surface level ones.

-nornor

If I am a threat to scum, they will kill me.

[Purple Heart]

My solve rn is one of {purple, kookie} + one of {outworlder, murder, tracy, flea}. My buddying sensors are blaring atm and I’m not sure who’s doing it. Outworlder is the most likely from the second group since murder pointed out the difference from 2170.

PEdit: we can decide who to doc once we form the council. I just want people who I’m confident are town on the council.

Anyone outside of the council cannot be protected.

[Purple Heart]

This is super wack
Why are you leaving me to die.

[Purple Heart]

If I am a threat to scum, they will kill me.

I mean ur reads are all kinda wishy washy and hydras are kinda messy anyways.

Idk I'm not great at nka so I'll just stop commenting on this stuff.

-nornor

That doesn’t change my statement.

[Purple Heart]

Infinity are you scum?