Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

[Flavor Leaf]

We could just say 2 massclaim

I think just the driver/blade pairs that linked could be nice.

[Flavor Leaf]

My characters name is like Poopie something or another. I forgot. One sec. Lemme go find the pm.

I'm aware I'm voting Noraa but after this post I'm really doubting she's town. It's not like these games are made in mind where the protagonists are always town, and even if she was afraid of claiming this character's name it just makes 0 sense to pretend to not know.

yeah, it's like she's actively trying to look like she's doing something.

I'll tell ya right now, I forgot my flavor, but I know my mechanical side.

[Flavor Leaf]

1. Battle Mage
2. beeboy
3. Bell
4. Brian Skies
5. Cabd
6. Cobra Kai
7. Dunnstral
9. Firebringer
10. Flavor Leaf - Did not have a Driver-Blade link.
11. Gamma Emerald
12. Guillotina
13. l4pe
14. Lady Lambdadelta
15. ManWithNoName
16. MariaR
17. midwaybear
18. noraa
19. REAGAN BUSH 84
21. unwnd
22. Will catch up later maybe

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, don't claim like Special or Driver/Blade, let's just claim links, maybe Blades should claim? I don't know how we should go about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

the vast majority are... chatty.

Cobra out here exposing my true nature. How dare you.
VOTE: Cobra

Holy fuck its already page 18?

*rubs my glasses furiously*
no
effing
way

Did I miss RVS?
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VOTE: Noraa

Lol, I had it immediately 2 games in a row now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel decent about the blade I linked with, and yes Brian I agree them using an ability on the dead target means nothing lol

You should take a cab.

Go call a taxi.

[Flavor Leaf]

Battle Mage
beeboy
Bell
Brian Skies
Cabd
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Firebringer
Flavor Leaf - Did not have a Driver-Blade link.
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
ManWithNoName
MariaR
midwaybear
noraa
REAGAN BUSH 84
unwnd - Did have a Driver-Blade link.
Will catch up later maybe

[Flavor Leaf]

noraa is conf scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Guillo could be town, but I think Nacho hydra is scum in that scenario majority of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm likely dead tonight, but that's fine. I'm happy with the work I've put in this game, and I trust this town to be in good hands.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma look at the wagons when Cakez was at 9 votes and Noraa is at 6. Who’s scum on the Noraa wagon? Is Cakez wagon all town?

Ninja-
Agreeing with flavor. Nacho had some vintage moments I liked though.

Here's the thing, you're gonna like scumNacho. it's just a thing.

It's like, if Skitter is scum, she's gonna be a universal town read.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's not really the hard defending moreso as the timing of a lot of Nacho posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Guillo

This is obvious scum.

They actively tried to save Sircakez, and then bussed at the end. They hopped off Noraa.

Yesterday I said LLD and Guillo were the 2 I was suspicious of, i pushed LLD, and from that I believe Guillo to be scum here.

yeah one thing I want to bring up is Noraa was PRETTY MUCH the counterwagon to Cakez. Are we really thinking we wagoned scum and then also counterwagoned scum?

yeah, pretty much.

Cabd got one, I got the other, then Ffery hydra helped mindmeld with the exact reasoning I had for scumNoraa. That's why Ffery died last night, in addition the being the most passive of the slots likely to be threats. They were incredibly townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's not really the hard defending moreso as the timing of a lot of Nacho posts.

That's kinda what I like about him, actually. I don't know to what extent someone would go to actively read and continually refer to the fact they're stuck in perpetual catch-up mode as scum. It seems like something will come of it eventually

take a cab.

drive a taxi.

save a horse.

ride a cowboy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes I did.

A little boonie told me "Mafia"

[Flavor Leaf]

I wonder if that means something is up, and Gamma's faking to try to get sympathy town read. :shrug:

full send Noraa, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maria’s town, gamma. I’m pretty sure final scum is Reagan.

Yeah, Maria's been getting townier for me for a bit.

Reagan is definitely doing something weird this day phase trying to distract from Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

eh, fuck it. I'm one of the Special roles that was part of multiple neighborhoods last night. I shall keep quiet for other reasons on who they were, but that should be obvious.

My role is known behind the scenes for some people, and that's why Noraa's guiltied.

[Flavor Leaf]

don't mind me, just tryna distract from nora

by hardpushing nora from post 1 of having read the game, even as two people enter on guillotina, while repeatedly saying i'm down to speedvote her and spending 15-20 posts saying she's blatantly scum for her role alone even w/o seeing the guilty

put your mouth where your money is

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, reagon got better last couple pages.

[Flavor Leaf]

Battle Mage or Myself dies tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor do you see created hoods or what? Are you a pt spy?

Something like that. I'll be able to confirm it later. Let's keep it on the DL, I think we are in a good spot.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't want people getting complacent and lining up mislims like the game has already been solved. I'm always prepared to miss something and right now I'm spending a majority of my time flicking through Noraa's posts. I really don't believe the scumteam is just compromised of the "lesser" players and lurkscum

neither do we.

The stronger scum are just harder to take down earlier, so we take them out by their legs.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Bell - is it weird seeing Cabd and I on the same page for once?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Unwnd - you linked with ffery, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Unwnd - you linked with ffery, right?

oh, no, you linked with someone who targeted fermis. interesting.

you might have linked with scum then.

[Flavor Leaf]

wanna just go guillo today? We can wait and see if Noraa outs partners.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd rather get some extra info, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

@Unwnd - you linked with ffery, right?

oh, no, you linked with someone who targeted fermis. interesting.

you might have linked with scum then.

Perhaps. Their ability they used on Fermis seemed pretty worthless and they were mostly being hush in our PT.

okay, you picked up what I was saying earlier, right? I wasn't being too coy about it.

[Flavor Leaf]

maybe not last, but like we know she's scum already, let's get another wagon. that way Gamma can stop defending her anyways, we just already know she's scum.

VOTE: Guillo

I want this so we have more to talk about, and if I die, I can possibly be a part of an additional scum fade

[Flavor Leaf]

wanna just go guillo today? We can wait and see if Noraa outs partners.

I’m fine with that.

If we go that route, all links tomorrow are claimed, linking with Noraa is a scum claim.

I actually think that sounds great.

[Flavor Leaf]

This day is gonna gain like 30+ more pages when we've already decided on our execute so I'ma prod dodge again.

we've already gotten it decided? there's only 2 options.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Guillotina

Let's talk driver-blade stuff.

Mafia already know all the drivers and blades on the cake wagon.

noting

[Flavor Leaf]

Battle Mage
beeboy
Bell - tried to link with Nacho, fail
Brian Skies
Cabd - only can link on even nights
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Firebringer
Flavor Leaf - Did not have a Driver-Blade link.
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
ManWithNoName
MariaR
midwaybear
noraa
REAGAN BUSH 84
unwnd - Did have a Driver-Blade link, link targeted ffery hydra.
Will catch up later maybe

[Flavor Leaf]

Battle Mage
beeboy
Bell - tried to link with Nacho, fail
Brian Skies
Cabd - only can link on even nights
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral - no link
Firebringer
Flavor Leaf - Did not have a Driver-Blade link.
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
ManWithNoName
MariaR
midwaybear
noraa
REAGAN BUSH 84
unwnd - Did have a Driver-Blade link, link targeted ffery hydra.
Will catch up later maybe

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[Flavor Leaf]

we can do that tomorrow as well. ^

i say let's fade Guillo, and move to day 3

[Flavor Leaf]

yes

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, let's just claim stuff tomorrow. We got to a solid point, I think it makes more sense to wait until tomorrow to claim everything.

fade guillo, remember Noraa is conf scum, then tomorrow, good discussion will come about

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not understanding why we would get guillotina today

For their comments on defending Cakez, moving off Noraa when getting hot, and then late bus onto SirCakez after soft defending them multiple times under the radar.

LLD did something similar, but more aggressive, and it's like 1 and exactly 1 of them are scum.

And since we have conf scum Noraa, plus our Day 1 fade hit scum, it would be nice to hit somewhere with an unknown before some of us who are becoming more obvious town get killed off, if that makes sense? Essentially gives us the night phase knowing Guillo's flip, and knowing Noraa is red to analyze.

Like I said, Battle Mage or Myself dies tonight, that's all I will say in that manner, but info will come out that explains this whether we die or not.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I don't understand people calling the Guillo push random.

It's incredibly developed and has multiple strong and damning points.

[Flavor Leaf]

Remember LLD is very likely town cause I'm alive

that's all.

Byeeeee

This is flawed on so many levels, but I don't really feel like explaining it to you.

We're not killing her today nor will you listen to me if I die so does it matter?

@Maria - there are only 2 options to flip today.

Guillo scum flip clears LLD basically as well, so why don't you jump onto Guillo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer link me.

Or we can leash gamma to me.

I'd rather pair with LLD tonight if possible?

wrt voting guillo or noraa for me it probably boils down to whether noraa claims that one shot ability and what it is, because it sounded like that thing was something that would make her near conf town or whatever

From our side, Noraa is conf scum, and we're actively choosing to go Guillo so we can get an extra flip in for analysis tonight. This is likely my final night in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cakez wagon feels LHF, I'm not voting there now.

I'm gonna ISO the other wagons.

I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!

We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!

We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.

Good night!

@cabd we could all easily be wrong.

This post pings scum.

Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa

Cabd if Cakes flips town you die tomorrow okay?

That isn't a deal, it's just a promise.

That hell is this? A death sentence? If cakes flips green it does not mean Cabd is immediately scum. Town can be wrong. We put him under scrutiny and if he does not measure up we yeet him.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.


Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.

If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm annoyed because basic if->then conditional, if noraa is scum->we should guillotina is the reasoning, seeing everyone vote guillotina instead of just waiting for tomorrow is really fucking annoying

and I don't agree with that reasoning and don't think guillotina is scum regardless so yeah I'm salty

P-Edit: Focus on the word choice if you fucking want Flavor, you know exactly what I'm saying

im not even talking to you?

We just want another flip to go into the night to analyze on.

Noraa isn't going anywhere, and we hit scum day 1, we can go elsewhere today which will put us in a better spot.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want to give Gamma a hard time for still thinking noraa's town but when I do sometimes they do actually flip town and then I feel and look dumb.
The compounding feeling of looking and feeling dumb is just too much for town bell.

@unwnd, did you link with them? did they tell you about me trying to?

I townread you

Yes I linked with them, but they did not say anything about you trying to link with them.

you linked with Nacho? Interesting.

Nacho slot chose Unwnd instead of Bell?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think just voting Noraa is the better option than being greedy. There's no point to let scum get another night to use an ability that could harm town

Well, it's actually just a little less beneficial is my reasoning behind it. I'm not going against Noraa fade, but I'd rather just have another fade to use my action one last time more accurately.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I don't understand people calling the Guillo push random.

people refers to me

there were a few. I was actually saying that because of Maria.

Yeah, it's definitely not random. If you're choosing to not see it, that's on you. If you disagree with it, fine, but it's not random.

[Flavor Leaf]

btw unwnd if you don't tr me yet you're not gonna all game but I'm town so don't waste time with me k?

Guillo flipping scum is the best way to save LLD town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Cabd - what're you thinking? I know it hasn't been long, but I'm ready to move on

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor, respectfully, I get that you're annoyed by both me calling it random and by my disagreement on the vote.

But I've acknowledged the points repeatedly and several of my responses to you have made it clear that I understand why you think they're scum and that me being overruled is just part of the game.

Random was an unfortunate word choice because I'm annoyed and wrote a post in ~10s, and I'm annoyed because you're advocating voting my townread and shoving the townslot later. I think my point is obvious. If we disagree whatever but meet me halfway and stop focusing on the word "random"

Honestly, I'm barely paying attention to it. I'm like half reading posts right now.

It's 1 or the other with Guillo and Nora today really. So looks like it's just gonna end up being Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Cabd - what're you thinking? I know it hasn't been long, but I'm ready to move on

I'm not.
Please slow down,
even town me burnt out as I am is having trouble proessing this stuff and you guys aren't letting me sleep by trying to move the game forward before I've even thought about some of this stuff.

It's probably possible to solve the game today even.

I think so. You have night phase you can do that with Cabd, though, and that's probably a much stronger setting, to be honest.

Guillo slot is my biggest thing I need answered, and essentially the game is POE'able after that, I feel.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see the reasoning for Guillo



I just think it's not that interesting

Then we're just getting Noraa today. Likely that will be the big argument tomorrow, Guillo vs LLD, which I was trying to avoid.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Noraa

Would rather my vote sit here.

I'll be here to discuss. I'll repost my reads list.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor's Read List

~~~A Tier~~~
Battle Mage
Cabd
Cobra Kai
Firebringer
Gamma Emerald
Unwnd

~~~B Tier~~~
Bell
Brian Skies
l4pe
midwaybear
Dunnstral
REAGAN BUSH 84
MariaR

~~~C Tier~~~
Lady Lambdadelta
beeboy
ManWithNoName
Will catch up later maybe

~~~D Tier~~~
Guillotina

~~~F Tier~~~
noraa

Moved Reagan and Maria up to B.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't agree with targeting Flavor Leaf, if there exists a beneficial role that involves results/protection then there is likely something scum has to counteract this. That's just basic setup philosophy. I think you should protect someone who is town who isn't spearheading conversation but something scum would consider a safe kill. Then I think you should roleblock a lurker slot and see what comes of it. Wildcard? Do something controversial.

You realize I'm the role that got an investigation, right

[Flavor Leaf]

if they can counter it, that's fine, force them to counter it

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't agree with targeting Flavor Leaf, if there exists a beneficial role that involves results/protection then there is likely something scum has to counteract this. That's just basic setup philosophy. I think you should protect someone who is town who isn't spearheading conversation but something scum would consider a safe kill. Then I think you should roleblock a lurker slot and see what comes of it. Wildcard? Do something controversial.

You realize I'm the role that got an investigation, right

Yes and I'm saying now that you're outed, scum is likely going to try and stop you from getting investigations. I can't see an investigation role just having free reign in a 22-player setup.

That's fine. They don't know how my role works.

[Flavor Leaf]

I appreciate you not sitting on Guillotina, even if it's just temporary Flavor.

I get wanting to take a shot on a scumread but I just...really don't see them as scum based off that interaction w/ Gamma.

Just trying to figure out which one of us is right with confirmation from a flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't agree with targeting Flavor Leaf, if there exists a beneficial role that involves results/protection then there is likely something scum has to counteract this. That's just basic setup philosophy. I think you should protect someone who is town who isn't spearheading conversation but something scum would consider a safe kill. Then I think you should roleblock a lurker slot and see what comes of it. Wildcard? Do something controversial.

You realize I'm the role that got an investigation, right

Yes and I'm saying now that you're outed, scum is likely going to try and stop you from getting investigations. I can't see an investigation role just having free reign in a 22-player setup.

That's fine. They don't know how my role works.

i will also bump that there are 2 of us

plus a competent towncore

so.

Yes, but I was trying not to out you, and have scum force all their stuff on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

animaniacs, you should see their new contracts.

[Flavor Leaf]

I already claimed I’m a Town Special.

[Flavor Leaf]

Is Spiffeh the Guillo slot?

[Flavor Leaf]

Calm down my Spiffeh Friend, you'll prolly just be investigated and we'll know whether you're scum or not.
So just chill and play like you're confirmed town instead of this?

I’m not gonna investigate Spiffeh, I’m gonna investigate Nacho slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

am i mech conftown now?

Just trust me, BM. We got you up on the top of our town reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Noraa

cool, hammer.

byebyeeee~

This is them knowing they got guiltied and went down, then later they realized they didn’t get hammered and started to try and fight it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Noraa, I love you and I'm sorry you rolled scum again.
Just low effort, not every game's gotta be an oscar winning performance.

Says you.

[Flavor Leaf]

are we going straight to night again then? if so, i wont bother reading yet lol

You’re so townie, you have a good chance of dying tonight if I don’t, so if I’m gonna you’ll have to pick up where I left off is all.

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think Spiffeh slot is scum, but we can deal with that another day.

[Flavor Leaf]

From our side, Noraa is conf scum, and we're actively choosing to go Guillo

HEY BOYS AND GIRLS

THIS VOLUME HAS BROKEN ME AND SO I HAVE GIVEN UP ON KEEPING UP WITH THE GAME THREAD UNTIL SOME MORE PEOPLE DIE

I JUST WANTED TO SPEND A MINUTE TALKING ABOUT THIS LINE OF REASONING

THIS IS INSANE

THIS IS HUBRIS

WE DON'T NEED MORE INFORMATION WHEN THE GAME IS THE MOST LAUGHABLY OVERSATURATED GAME I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE

IT IS NOT TO OUR BENEFIT TO TABLE CONFIRMED SCUM SO THAT FLAVOR LEAF CAN COP SOMEONE BASED OFF GUILLOTINA'S FLIP (THE SPECIFICS OF WHICH I DON'T SO MUCH CARE ABOUT) - YES WE HAD TWO TOWNIES CONVERGE ON GUILLOTINA SCUM BUT MAGIC DOESN'T EXIST AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE GUILLOTINA CONFIRMED SCUM - NORAA IS VERY CLEARLY SCUM AND P MUCH THE ENTIRE GAME SEES THAT AS A RESULT - DON'T FUCK THAT UP BY DOING WHATEVER THIS "WE NEED MORE INFORMATION IN A 150 PAGE GAME HAHAHA" SHIT THAT WAS HAPPENING PREVIOUSLY

How is it fucking up? She’s already scum confirmed.

I go for the extra risk for the extra reward all the time, scum don’t know how to handle that kind of style. Why did this need to be yelled?

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I may be biased but my I just ISO'd my predecessor and they aren't even that scummy you're all so fucking dramatic

[Flavor Leaf]

Somethings weird is happening with Nacho hydra-Spiffeh slot, has been since before Spiffeh came in.

There’s a scum somewhere around their vicinity if it’s not within them.

[Flavor Leaf]

They were saying that lynching Guillo over Noraa at that point was silly.

I know what they said.

I’m fine with Noraa, but I still would easily go for a Spiffeh wagon, but I’m content not pushing it anymore.

I just had a big to the anti fade Guillo’ers.

[Flavor Leaf]

I really feel like Guillo was just trolling, people are reading too hard into it, and I think that behavior is far more indicative of town who doesn't give a shit

Where were they trolling?

To me it looked like they were scum who no longer gave a shit after they weak defended Caiez and then Cakez scum pied up so hard even then they bussed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t say nay, say YAY

[Flavor Leaf]

They aren’t too familiar with me, maybe a game or two.

[Flavor Leaf]

Getting to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, it’s gonna be funny when i make it to lylo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Think about it this way, if Noraa were town here with that role, she wouldn’t be going “just hammer me then”

She’d be making sure we let her use her ability.

Remember, I straight up gave an alternative, and she didn’t even try to go for the Spiffeh fade today, which I am definitely more for than Noraa, but I’m tired of pushing it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just used to being that one people say that about is all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol you're not voting me today

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Noraa

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d actually like to see what Nora says after she uses her “1-shot” ability anyways. We can force her to answer it before we fade her tomorrow

[Flavor Leaf]

I town read the entire Spiffeh wagon

[Flavor Leaf]

She needs to be driven for that, flavor.

I don’t want to put a driver with her.

Ah.

I keep forgetting those mechanics because I’m not a driver/blade

[Flavor Leaf]

The dude pairs up or dies. Period. Don't let them shoot somebody and claim they paired with the dead townie either.

Actually, that may not be bad to force. If they have to shoot elsewhere, Battle Mage and I live.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm perfectly fine with Guillo/Spiffeh being scum, but he seems far more willing to actually participate unlike noraa who is literally checked out.

Noraa is guiltied. Her checking out makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I understand that this is weird, but with the mechanics of the game, I think it’s best to try and link up where you can, and actively play the game at night as well, and with an additional flip, we take like three extra steps. More if Spiffeh is scum.

Does this make sense?

I feel like Spiffeh could be in that “this isn’t my scum game if i get faded, doesn’t count if i lose” mode.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m against this and would prefer Noraa.

I prefer sure things and not leashing and I already said I would ensure spiffeh died tmrw.
I get it tho.

It’s not like we miss out on Noraa.

Noraa being a sure thing doesn’t magically change one day later.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, to me, it’s blatantly obvious scum are trying to have Noraa be faded today and are probably shocked we’re pushing spiffeh.

Like, even if Spiffeh flips town, I think that’s higher town beneficial here, but that’s worst case scenario. I think Spiffeh will flippeh scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would Guillo “not care” if they were a Vig, lol.

That doesn’t happen.

[Flavor Leaf]

it makes very little sense for scum to try and save noraa today, so i dont buy the argument that scum are trying to derail the wagon on a partner.

VOTE: noraa

@BM - they specifically don’t want to save Noraa.

Scum want Noraa faded because she already used her ability.

Scum are completely trying to save Spiffeh, likely to use some ability they have before they go down.

[Flavor Leaf]

it makes very little sense for scum to try and save noraa today, so i dont buy the argument that scum are trying to derail the wagon on a partner.

VOTE: noraa

@BM - they specifically don’t want to save Noraa.

Scum want Noraa faded because she already used her ability.

Scum are completely trying to save Spiffeh, likely to use some ability they have before they go down.

i dont really care if it's noraa, and then spiffeh. compromise is ok.

Well, I just get more out of my role if we kill Spiffeh first, because I’ll have more info on the game.

Noraa being scum basically means she’s already dead, does this make sense?

[Flavor Leaf]

I already claimed I’m a Town Special.

it makes very little sense for scum to try and save noraa today, so i dont buy the argument that scum are trying to derail the wagon on a partner.

VOTE: noraa

@BM - they specifically don’t want to save Noraa.

Scum want Noraa faded because she already used her ability.

Scum are completely trying to save Spiffeh, likely to use some ability they have before they go down.

lmfao wtf?
My rolecop is every night and my cop is 1 shot and I haven't even used it.
god why does this game spam so much?

and ok, flavor but ur still lying so ....

:/ let’s be honest, Noraa, you know you’d be way more mad here if I were lying. You’re effectively in what’s called garbage time.

You should vote Spiffeh.

[Flavor Leaf]

wait people actually think nacho would publicly say "link with me spiffeh" if we were scum together instead of like... just doing it and not saying anything?

ok yeah, that is definitely a sensible opinion to hold

-nacho

I'm specifically stating there's 1 scum in your general vicinity.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, let Gamma target Noraa, I don't care. Let's see what happens.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's possibly like putting 2 scum on a mission in resistance when only 1 fail is needed.

[Flavor Leaf]

WTF is this post haha I officially dislike midwaybear

What's so scummy about it?

You just seem really willing to accept the PoE from mostly two people, yet D1 made me think you were more of an individual (yet indecisive) person. Is the PoE you posted the one you agree with?

to be fair, 2 people that were part of the cause of him losing as scum recently, so I think that mindset makes sense coming from townMidway.

[Flavor Leaf]

honestly something doesnt add up tho

there is a universe where spiffys role makes sense and i really really dont think hed be this desperate to get a shot off knowing his scum partner is pretty much sentenced to death and the game being already tilted vastly out of his favor?

or maybe its just me

then why did Guillo replace out from "not caring" if they had a vig shot. I don't see that happening. I think Guillo got dissinterested because they are scum who lost their scum partner, their other partner is Noraa, and then at least 1 of their partners is probably lurking or inactive.

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What did gamma say when you told him you weren't using your wagon cop?

She never specified it was a sensor power in the link PT
She did say, however, she intended to use it “on” me, which confuses me a little? Was she gonna cop

the wagon on me

or

the wagon I was on

?

Noraa's confirmed scum, Gamma.

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Yes, I think you both are fine players, but not really. Mostly aligns with my own reads.

ssh, using it defend you, and boost my standing up, dig a little underneath the posts, there's usually something there.

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I think it's pretty easy to rationalize me, just not when it's coming down to one of the mafilosphy sentiments I have that I know are generally unorthodox.

It's like when Tarantino goes, and makes movies specifically in ways people say that's not how movies are filmed.

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People say to me "this is the way it is", I go "Not necessarily, what if..."

and give 3 different other options.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, Gamma's town.

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id rather just kill Spiffeh, tbh.

They're just going to shoot me regardless of what you guys leash them to if they are town, and that's not good for town either.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I have maybe 1 night phase left for me in this game, I'd rather pass on as much information as I can in it, and getting an extra flip would help drastically.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would Spiffeh-town shoot Flavor Leaf?

I would in their position if they were town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm pushing their death the hardest, and it's always acceptable to assume I'm pulling some crazy scum gambit.

Everytime I'm vig, someone pushes me for being scum who shot their scum partner.

Everytime I'm conf town, someone pushes me for setting up an entire situation where I could become conf town (okay, like, yeah, I've had these happen, but I'm just good at getting myself to become conf town as both alignments.)

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It's just, I know how these types of things play out.

worst case scenario, townFL flips, people brush it off "well, now we know".

Me being dead also relieves a lot of pressure off of Spiffeh.

And I just think they are scum. =/, and if they flip scum, I might be able to solve this game completely tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm able to bridge gaps in between certain players/links to communicate privately in, in addition to having part of my role be able to investigation. they go together, and I'm gated. This is my last time being able to do it, and honestly, if we didn't get that day 1 fade on Cakez, I would not be in this situation, so it's not like a broken role or anything, it'll all make sense tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alternatively, we fade elsewhere completely, leash Spiffeh to kill Noraa? But this has room for unknown error.

[Flavor Leaf]

scum is in that Not Voting list, at least 1.

beeboy, Gamma Emerald, Spiffeh, ManWithNoName, REAGAN BUSH 84

keeping this. 4 scum remain, 1 is on me, leaves 3.

At least 1 off (spiffeh fits), at least 1 likely on Noraa.

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Nah, Midwaybear got what I was saying too. It's a mixture of both.

[Flavor Leaf]

scum is in that Not Voting list, at least 1.

beeboy, Gamma Emerald, Spiffeh, ManWithNoName, REAGAN BUSH 84

keeping this. 4 scum remain, 1 is on me, leaves 3.

At least 1 off (spiffeh fits), at least 1 likely on Noraa.

beeboy, MWNN, Reagan are def all in the POE, so yeah, there's probably more.

[Flavor Leaf]

animaniacs, you should see their new contracts.

maybe it just aligns with my extreme leftism, but this reboot hits

[Flavor Leaf]

I also defended Cakez, fwiw

[Flavor Leaf]

following logic is both how you catch and get swept by scumLeaf. It's a catch 22.

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side note, I just won a newbie scum game...I never wanna roll scum in a newbie again.

My newer partner got faded Day 1...it was...I felt rude./

so that's what I'm dealing with right now, and while I'll likely be away until tomorrow, at least mentally.

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following logic is both how you catch and get swept by scumLeaf. It's a catch 22.

Are you trying to convince us you're scum?

Yes. This game got stagnant for me when I became conf town.

[Flavor Leaf]

i need as much night kill protection as i can get, claiming scum has got to be the best way to get that, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Noraa

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nice. Cabd and Cobra Kai to finish this off.

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if spiffeh is town, firebringer doesn't look good right now, tbh

might just be why vca isn't everything.

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considering Firebringer definitely reached out to me to defend SirCakez because I could have been someone who could have potentially saved them if I really really wanted to put up a fight. idk if I would have succeeded, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

but steak nachos

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alright alright, maria, you're going down then.

[Flavor Leaf]

if i was a double voter

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everyone would already know, because I claim my role every day 1 because I get too excited.

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Gamma, she's conf scum.

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Hope she flips scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah. Hey gamma. For what it's worth I'm sorry man. I wanted to be town with her too.

Yeah. I’m gonna feel even shittier if I was right.

I would too.

[Flavor Leaf]

damn, firebringer is scum, and I would know that because we have that PT together.

[Flavor Leaf]

and whattya know, my other partner, either LLD or Reagan is on the other one.

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hey, scum team *kisses*, I've successfully WIFOM'd you this day phase, everything about my play this day was predetermined. Good luck tonight. ;P Pretend I'm there with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

What about therapeutically insane? Where giving yourself into insanity becomes a healing journey, that’s about where I am in life.

[Flavor Leaf]

Woot. Drew the nightkill

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Moment of Brilliance
SirCakez	The town of Xenoblade 2 Mafia	Xenoblade 2 Mafia	I was scum in this game and we got totally, completely annihilated by a storm of essentially perfect town day and nightplay. Town found each other quickly and efficiently, nailed scum at day easily, and was never in danger of losing or miseliminating anyone. I don't think there was any weak link in the town at all and everyone played amazingly, resulting in the perfect town win night 3 when the last two scum conceded.

@Battle Mage - you were also on top of both Cabd’s and my reads list Day 2. I was half trying to make it so you were seen as the investigative.

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I’m happy I had Noraa and Guillo Day 1. Spiffeh would have flown under me.

I didn’t mean to quote, was gonna respond but changed my mind

[Flavor Leaf]

I will also write up a cabd nom later

Do this for Para. We just had a nice victory right before this game too.

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Yeah, but someone who deserves the noms can have it matter, ya know. More about what you do after.

Of course, I’m saying this as the current Don and Game of the Year holder.

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I would like to play a Titus vs Alisae like game as the scum team, someone would have to mod, and Cabd plays the town side.

That way we could be separate teams without having to argue.

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See, here's what I don't get... Did I remember to post the DK Rap in this game?

Yeah, this is what kept you alive. I temporarily town read you for a day and a half because of it.

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Yeah, but someone who deserves the noms can have it matter, ya know. More about what you do after.

Of course, I’m saying this as the current Don and Game of the Year holder.

I would moderate this.

Assuming you meant Cabd vs Flavor Leaf. He’d have to accept the challenge.

Certain things happen pregame, you’re conf town tree stump, I’m conf scum tree stump.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I’ve met you in real life.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought 420 Blaze It was Hectic.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s funny.

I’m still confused, but it’s funny.

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ah I need a third game to nom Cabd for Paragon
I only have this game and Smoke

Ilicit Substances we got 2 back to back scum fades, then the plan to fade Bork the last scum locked down in every scenario.

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ah I need a third game to nom Cabd for Paragon
I only have this game and Smoke

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Morph hydra is Cabd

[Flavor Leaf]

And Ffery, but yeah, third game for Cabd.

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I was guy 6, but don't think that one counts since it was anon.

I actually think it does still count.

Good to see enough games not blocking the Nom out.

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You know Boonskiies, I remember when you were pretty revolted and seen as a detriment

Now I see a lot of people respect/enjoy playing with you

How times change

Those are both slippery slope terms, but in the end, it’s because of my scum play. My town play will always be unorthodox, but it kinda has to be or I draw too many night kills.

Even here when I am boosting up the unorthodox, I get night killed.

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I have a strong performance style that some games as town does not mesh well.

I’ve accepted my play as a Scum Lord who can solve town games if left alive to late game consistently, but early game town for me is just playing the field. Sometimes my reads are right, sometimes they’re not.

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Scum just aren’t taking action.

If scum take action in a large game, they can obv wolf and still run a thread.

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I literally just wanna sit in scum PT’s and give advice that people can choose not to take or take. I just want people to think more as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

You want to be a scum-Sensei?

I already am a scum-sensei, I want more opportunity to use it.

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There was a lot of invisible things that happened that raised Cabd’s presence.

scum allowed him to take full credit for that SirCakez wagon, which had no resistance besides me who was faking an LLD wagon but planned to hammer Cakez.

Night 1, Cabd and I had a PT, and he got to spend the night solving. I gave my thoughts, we both were up to like 6 am+ both night phases most days, so him being uncontested allowed me to essentially be mason with him, so he’s Pharah from Overwatch, and I’m just Mercy spam healing.

I mind melded with Tammy Noraa case, which helped connect Ffery to Cabd and gain trust.

Then Cobra Kai is a great Lucio. Maybe I’ll do an actual write up after I read through PT’s.

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Yeah, love the game. I used the Neighbor Crasher role in one of my BooneyToonz games as a variant a few games ago, so it was fun to play it.

[Flavor Leaf]

What was the point of the failed lld wagon?

I’m the definition of Chaotic Neutral, and like to set things on fire just to see what pretty colors come out

[Flavor Leaf]

We played good support to Cabd this game, helped him run roughshod over the game untouched.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cobra Kai Funky Kong

I’ll be Diddy or Tiny.

To Cabd’s big coconut guns.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cobra Kai Funky Kong

I’ll be Diddy or Tiny.

To Cabd’s big coconut guns.

Diddy is legit my favorite Nintendo character.

My girlfriend just doesn't get it.

I like Dixie Kong. She was always my first to bat in Mario Baseball.

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There was something Gamma said Day 1 that I knew they were town from. The. The Noraa defense happened, and like I knew it was from town, but i still had to say there was a nonzero chance he was scum defending partner Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot where it was, maybe I’ll look for it.

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To be fair, Gamma pushing Zbattle Mage made me correctly town read BM harder, and Gamma pushing Noraa made me realize Noraa scum harder, all while town reading Gamma.